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Kingsempires:
SO You are an atheist?

Was Jesus Christ of Israel who equally had no religion—He was anti-Religion— an atheist?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ of Israel was anti-religion. He was against the religion of Judaism which was practiced by His very own people, a religion upon which the Roman Catholic and eventually the Christian movement of today are famously modeled. So, it is false to link Jesus Christ of Israel to any religious movement that existed during hibs time or even today.

What Jesus Christ of Israel instead established was a nation to which He then set Himself — God's Law and Truth — as the Law of that Nation which He referred to as the Kingdom of God. His Church— assembly of those connected to Him— consists of all those, born from their mother's womb of the blood of Jacob, who would then become citizens of His Kingdom by becoming born-again. He, as ruler over all the citizens described Himself as the Vine upon which all branches(citizens) are to be carved from.

The fact is, none of your religious movements have their foundations in the person of Jesus Christ of Israel, and all attempts to link themselves are born of claims that have no bearing in Scripture or His Truth.

Did he really go against Judaism or their(the priests,pharisees, sadducees and scribes) own traditions which were against God's laws? Was he anti to their religion or hypocrisy? Did he not attend their festivals? You should have written they were astonished and afraid of his teachings_his rebukes and the way he taught including his doctrines which he received from God. These two salient points made him seemed anti.

Captain4Jehovah:
🥲 Did he really go against Judaism or their(the priests,pharisees, sadducees and scribes) own traditions which were against God's laws?
🥲 Was he anti to their religion or hypocrisy?
🥲 Did he not attend their festivals?
🥲 You should have written they were astonished and afraid of his teachings_his rebukes and the way he taught including his doctrines which he received from God. These two salient points made him seemed anti.

1. Judaism, the religion, consists of the Pharisees, and Sadducees and their doctrines and traditions all of which were put forth by groups of men supposedly in addition to that previously decreed by the God of Israel before them. However, it was all against that decreed by the God of Israel whose Law stipulated that no man add to, change, or remove from that established by Him in His Law in the Land of Canaan. Equally, by practicing their religion in His House, His Temple was desecrated by their religious practices; Jesus Christ of Israel disavowed them all.

2. Their religion was their hypocrisy— the very source of it all!

3. Jesus Christ of Israel attended festivals that were ordained by His Father, YHWH— God of Israel, as part of the National Constitution which He gave to the Nation of Israel — The Law of Moses.

4. It does not matter that they were astonished or afraid as you claim; those things you listed are not valuable in the grand scheme of things. And no, Jesus Christ of Israel did not seem anti-religion. Rather. Jesus Christ of Israel was vehemently against Religion— He is anti-religion— just as His Father, YHWH—God of Israel—who equally warned against the people importing the who-re of Babylon(Religion) from their time in captivity, scolding that it would bring about the end of them—was. And that is exactly what happened.

Kobojunkie:
Was Jesus Christ of Israel who equally had no religion—He was anti-Religion— an atheist?

so are you saying that you believe in God only and not religion or that you are nor of the above?

Kingsempires:
so are you saying that you believe in God only and not religion or that you are nor of the above?

I know there is at least one deity. I also know that there are over 4000 different deities worshipped by people across the world. I also know religions as man-made systems/tools built by men to scam the gullible among men with. Does that sound or seem to you like I don't believe in the existence of at least one deity — an atheist?

Kobojunkie:
I know there is at least one deity. I also know that there are over 4000 different deities worshipped by people across the world. I also know religions as man-made systems/tools built by men to scam the gullible among men with. Does that sound or seem to you like I don't believe in the existence of at least one deity — an atheist?

Ok

Kingsempires:
Ever since I became a catholic member,I enjoyed the church I enjoy the mass, preaching etc. But I have been watching videos that is talking bad about catholic. I always ignore those videos till I come across this video that the link is at the Bossom. Is this history in the video is true, like am confused. Am I right being a catholic remember



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjLvP7GGOEs?si=sDCCWxiYVijNRjPF


What do you guys think about this video

You may not.

Captain4Jehovah:
NEITHER JUSTIFY YOURSELF NOR YOUR CHURCH. Fulfilment of prophecy is not based on human calculations. God's supremacy made Jesus himself to say he didn't know the time of his return. If you believe he returned in the 1914,
[1] Why is sin becoming more?
[2] Why are so many troubles since then?
[3] Why are there no peace on earth?
[4] I can equally say he returned 15 years ago based on what I saw. Has rapture taken place let alone his millennium reign on earth?
[5] Has tribulation taken place?
[6] Where is the physical appearance of the beast in human form?
[7] Has the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT taken place? Search the Scriptures yourself!

God bless you for the thought provoking questions so i will attend to these one by one!
[1 - 3] Jesus took over power in heaven in the year 1914 and immediately he sent Satan out in preparation for his Born Again brothers to be taken home to a peaceful abode where they will rule with him over the earth that's why Satan and his demons faced the earth to cause trouble as they know that their time is now limited! Revelations 12:7-12
[4] There is no word like RAPTURE in the Bible but if you meant the taking away of Jesus' Born Again brothers from their graves, YES that happened in the year 1914.
[5] The tribulations has begun since then that's why the earth no longer have peace until now. Revelations 12:7-12
[6] The beast is the United Nations.
[7] They will announce one world government after agreeing to stop all religions. For now they're still under the manipulation of religious organizations telling them God is in support of their rival governments but by the time they realize that religions have been lying to them they will turn against religions and stop them all, that is when they will announce one world government and peace! 1Thessalonians 5:3

By that time the one and only religion that will not be affected by their troubles is the only true Christian organization who never participate in politics!

MaxInDHouse:
God bless you for the thought provoking questions so i will attend to these one by one!
[1 - 3] Jesus took over power in heaven in the year 1914 and immediately he sent Satan out in preparation for his Born Again brothers to be taken home to a peaceful abode where they will rule with him over the earth that's why Satan and his demons faced the earth to cause trouble as they know that their time is now limited! Revelations 12:7-12
[4] There is no word like RAPTURE in the Bible but if you meant the taking away of Jesus' Born Again brothers from their graves, YES that happened in the year 1914.
[5] The tribulations has begun since then that's why the earth no longer have peace until now. Revelations 12:7-12
[6] The beast is the United Nations.
[7] They will announce one world government after agreeing to stop all religions. For now they're still under the manipulation of religious organizations telling them God is in support of their rival governments but by the time they realize that religions have been lying to them they will turn against religions and stop them all, that is when they will announce one world government and peace! 1Thessalonians 5:3

By that time the one and only religion that will not be affected by their troubles is the only true Christian organization who never participate in politics!

[1-3]: This is one of your teachings which made me reacted spontaneously like potassium in cold water against your brethren when sharing unsound, unhealthy doctrines with me many years ago. Firstly, this is a prediction or prophecy said many years by the founder of JW before 1914. Two, you don't believe in PROPHECY. Then, why would you believe this came to pass? Is Jesus statement which he spoke to his disciples incorrect?:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28 : 18

[4] NOTHING LIKE THE WORD "RAPTURE" IN THE BIBLE yet a supernatural occurrence of "being caught up" would happen. My brother, RAPTURE HAS NOT HAPPENED AT ALL. At its occurrence, everyone would be in a state of panic and fear. Jesus would send his angels to gather the elects on earth. And every eye shall see Jesus in the sky. THIS IS TRUE AND WORTHY OF ACCEPTANCE.

[5] There was no peace even when Jesus was on earth for his disciples asked the time when the kingdom would be restored to Israel because they were under the harsh rule of the Roman Empire. Two of his disciples also said similar thing:

But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Luke 24 : 21

[6] I don't know about the UN being the beast! You know, many nations form the group even Nigeria is among.

[7] I strongly believe in this! Anyway, world government can't function alone. Remember "the clay and iron" in Nebuchadnezzar's DREAM_THE STATE AND THE CHURCH. SOMEONE is calling for one world religion as we speak. Anyway, all prophecies about the end time would be coming to pass without anyone knowing including those would be instrumental in making it happen.

The race of man has not seen anything! The birth of pain and anguish that would sweep across the entire human world at the same time are yet to be experienced!

Captain4Jehovah:
[1-3]: This is one of your teachings which made me reacted spontaneously like potassium in cold water against your brethren when sharing unsound, unhealthy doctrines with me many years ago. Firstly, this is a prediction or prophecy said many years by the founder of JW before 1914. Two, you don't believe in PROPHECY. Then, why would you believe this came to pass? Is Jesus statement which he spoke to his disciples incorrect?:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28 : 18

Jesus' teaching sounds unhealthy to the people of his time till today his people (Jews) hate anything that has to do with him but one thing is certain Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his real disciples will have love, joy and peace permeating their gathering.
Therefore if you know any religion that's having LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, MILDNESS, FAITH and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} permeating their gathering know today that there is no law against them. That's what Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully achieved globally among themselves!

Captain4Jehovah:
[4] NOTHING LIKE THE WORD "RAPTURE" IN THE BIBLE yet a supernatural occurrence of "being caught up" would happen. My brother, RAPTURE HAS NOT HAPPENED AT ALL. At its occurrence, everyone would be in a state of panic and fear. Jesus would send his angels to gather the elects on earth. And every eye shall see Jesus in the sky. THIS IS TRUE AND WORTHY OF ACCEPTANCE.

Jesus will take his Born Again brothers to heaven no eyes will see their movement because they will go like angels so it happened in the year 1914 and the rest of the numbers will join them later after they finish their earthly course. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

Captain4Jehovah:
[5] There was no peace even when Jesus was on earth for his disciples asked the time when the kingdom would be restored to Israel because they were under the harsh rule of the Roman Empire. Two of his disciples also said similar thing:

But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
Luke 24 : 21

The Jews were proud people there was peace they were the trouble makers kicking against what God has ordained because God's word said the nations will rule for seven times and in Jesus' days the time God gave the nations is still counting! Luke 21:28

Captain4Jehovah:
[6] I don't know about the UN being the beast! You know, many nations form the group even Nigeria is among.

The Beast is human government that's ruling forcefully over mankind with Satan backing them! 1John 5:19

Captain4Jehovah:
[7] I strongly believe in this! Anyway, world government can't function alone. Remember "the clay and iron" in Nebuchadnezzar's DREAM_THE STATE AND THE CHURCH. SOMEONE is calling for one world religion as we speak. Anyway, all prophecies about the end time would be coming to pass without anyone knowing including those would be instrumental in making it happen.

The race of man has not seen anything! The birth of pain and anguish that would sweep across the entire human world at the same time are yet to be experienced!

It has begun and since 1914 things will continue to go worse among humankind!

MaxInDHouse:
God bless you for the thought provoking questions so i will attend to these one by one!
[1 - 3] Jesus took over power in heaven in the year 1914 and immediately he sent Satan out in preparation for his Born Again brothers to be taken home to a peaceful abode where they will rule with him over the earth that's why Satan and his demons faced the earth to cause trouble as they know that their time is now limited! Revelations 12:7-12
[4] There is no word like RAPTURE in the Bible but if you meant the taking away of Jesus' Born Again brothers from their graves, YES that happened in the year 1914.
[5] The tribulations has begun since then that's why the earth no longer have peace until now. Revelations 12:7-12
[6] The beast is the United Nations.
[7] They will announce one world government after agreeing to stop all religions. For now they're still under the manipulation of religious organizations telling them God is in support of their rival governments but by the time they realize that religions have been lying to them they will turn against religions and stop them all, that is when they will announce one world government and peace! 1Thessalonians 5:3

By that time the one and only religion that will not be affected by their troubles is the only true Christian organization who never participate in politics!

mister maxindhouse don't be angry at my question;


So how do you know that Jesus started ruling heaven since 1914 ?


Is it prove from the bible?

Kingsempires:
mister ... Is it prove from the bible?

None of that religious nonsense is to be found anywhere in even the Israelite Scripture. Religion is built primarily on the idea of men putting their own words in the mouths of the one— or ones— they claim are their deity(without evidence beyond their claims). The religious leaders concoct doctrines and traditions and then find gullible folks to teach them all to and boom... a religious movement is formed.

Kingsempires:
mister maxindhouse don't be angry at my question;
So how do you know that Jesus started ruling heaven since 1914 ?
Is it prove from the bible?

His disciples asked him saying:

“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?" Matthew 24:3

In some translations the highlighted in red is rendered sign of your coming but the Greek word they translated is closely related to presence than coming.

According to that verse Jesus' presence as King of God's Kingdom in heaven is what they are asking for since no human on earth can see what is happening in heaven but the sign is what we will feel here.

Jesus' response at Matthew 24:4-14 began happening on earth since the year 1914 just as the Bible said that Satan was ousted in heaven and the earth will be in trouble. Revelations 12:7-12

Captain4Jehovah:
And every eye shall see Jesus in the sky. THIS IS TRUE AND WORTHY OF ACCEPTANCE.

Please HOW will every eyes see HIM?

Petalss:
Please HOW will every eyes see HIM?

Every eyes here doesn't mean the literal eyes rather seeing what Jesus stood for through the activities of his (real) disciples on earth. Act 1:8

Today throughout the earth people are seeing the real Jesus as they are now treating his real disciples exactly the way they treated him and his disciples in the first century!

MaxInDHouse:
His disciples asked him saying:

“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?" Matthew 24:3

In some translations the highlighted in red is rendered sign of your coming but the Greek word they translated is closely related to presence than coming.

According to that verse Jesus' presence as King of God's Kingdom in heaven is what they are asking for since no human on earth can see what is happening in heaven but the sign is what we will feel here.

Jesus' response at Matthew 24:4-14 began happening on earth since the year 1914 just as the Bible said that Satan was ousted in heaven and the earth will be in trouble. Revelations 12:7-12

but there are so much things that have happened even before the 20th century

Kingsempires:
but there are so much things that have happened even before the 20th century

That's a lie!
People may deceive themselves thinking they are smart but there has never been a time the Good News of PEACE about Jesus' Kingdom was preached by peace loving people to this extent globally! Matthew 24:14

So don't allow anyone to continue deceiving you!

Kingsempires:
is this news Truth or that was just some rumor moving about

read about so called Jehovah's witnesses for yourself
at this site jwfacts..com

just one dot of course

MaxInDHouse:
Every eyes here doesn't mean the literal eyes rather seeing what Jesus stood for through the activities of his (real) disciples on earth. Act 1:8

Does in the SKY not make his statement sound literally seeing him in the sky? I still want him to explain how all eyes will see him.

MaxInDHouse:
Jwfacts belongs to the enemies of Jehovah's Witnesses it's like taking information from the Judaists to judge Jesus and his disciples instead of hearing from his disciples directly.
For instance do you personally know anyone who is a reputable preacher on Jwfacts?
Paul said:
Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. Abstain from every form of wickedness. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
So try to verify everything not just swallowing everything from one source without listening to the other side.

lost false jw mad max

of course you don't believe your own publications, they are very embarrassing to you false jw's, aren't they,
you could go elsewhere and get with the truth, but no, your father the devil has you puffed up ones hooked:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Thank you o!
Just imagine what happened to Jesus' disciples in the first century:
Jesus said to (Peter): “If it is my will for (John) to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.” So the saying went out among the brothers that this disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but he said: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?” John 21:22-23
Note the rumor that was going about in the first century even among Jesus' disciples, does that not tell you that there is a big difference between what is said and what people thought?

lost false jw mad max

so you don't understand that scripture, of course
and your lying and blaspheming the Holy Spirit etc. shows that you false jw's are nothing like Jesus disciples
you are deluded

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

MaxInDHouse:
That's a lie!
People may deceive themselves thinking they are smart but there has never been a time the Good News of PEACE about Jesus' Kingdom was preached by peace loving people to this extent globally! Matthew 24:14
So don't allow anyone to continue deceiving you!

lost false jw mad max

false prophecies and blasphemies of the Holy Spirit is not good news
you are deluded, of course

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Kingsempires:
Ever since I became a catholic member,I enjoyed the church I enjoy the mass, preaching etc. But I have been watching videos that is talking bad about catholic. I always ignore those videos till I come across this video that the link is at the Bossom. Is this history in the video is true, like am confused. Am I right being a catholic remember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjLvP7GGOEs?si=sDCCWxiYVijNRjPF
What do you guys think about this video

Jesus said He is the only way to the Father.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus said He alone is the door.

John 10:7
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Come anyother way to heaven and ur an Armed robber.

John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold,
but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Jesus said if you come any other way that ur treated as an Armed robber

John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold,
but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

So when u ask mary & various saints to pray for you, you are harming yourself.

Thats why its not on record that any body in the bible prayed for anyone.
Also nobody of God sought the dead for help.

From the above it shows that the catholic church praying to the dead is idolatry.

PS
Being called a Christian is fulfillment of prophecy

Deuteronomy 28:10
And all people of the earth shall see that t[b]hou art called by the name of the Lord[/b];
and they shall be afraid of thee.

This came to fruition

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Petalss:
Does in the SKY not make his statement sound literally seeing him in the sky? I still want him to explain how all eyes will see him.

If a celebrity either musician, movie actor or politician say "my star is shining in the sky" does it mean people are seeing a literal star in the sky that's shining in his name?
Come on what Jesus meant is that his teachings will gain group in all the nations of the world among faithful people and the whole world will notice a group that's practicing what he taught even though they are few in number! Matthew 5:14-16

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
of course you don't believe your own publications, they are very embarrassing to you false jw's, aren't they,
you could go elsewhere and get with the truth, but no, your father the devil has you puffed up ones hooked:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

You dodged the question!

OK i'm making it easier for everyone to see your folly.

Please mention a reputable preacher on jwfacts.com so that we can all know that the group are real believers not enemies of truth! John 3:19

MaxInDHouse:
You dodged the question!
OK i'm making it easier for everyone to see your folly.
Please mention a reputable preacher on Jwfacts.com so that we can all know that the group are real believers not enemies of truth! John 3:19

lost false jw mad max

dodging a question from you; a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit, that'll be the day oh puffed up one

of course i often don't reply to you satan's mob, except to show up some of your very many lies etc.

paul grundy is the owner of jwfacts..com which has nothing to do with anything
you are just still running away in confusion and babbel from all the truth i have posted:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

johnw47:
paul grundy is the owner of jwfacts..

You said you BELIEVE him.
So what is the name of his church?

MaxInDHouse:
You said you BELIEVE him.
So what is the name of his church?

lost false jw mad max

find out for yourself oh running away from the truth false jw:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

johnw47:
the truth.

How can a person who doesn't believe in God's word have the truth?

You said:

johnw47:
i believe jwfacts..com

Paul Grundy the owner of jwfacts.com is not a preacher of God's word so how can he have the truth?

MaxInDHouse:
How can a person who doesn't believe in God's word have the truth?

Paul Grundy is not a preacher of God's word so how can he have the truth?

lost false jw mad max

show evidence that paul grundy doesn't believe in God's word,

one doesn't have to be a preacher to have the truth oh as dum as they come liar:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

johnw47:
one doesn't have to be a preacher to have the truth.

So you mean Jesus lied when he said:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

Whoever doesn't know Jesus has not come to know the truth and all those who knew Jesus must be his disciples PREACHING and TEACHING what he taught. Matthew 28:18-20

So i ask you again:

Can someone who doesn't preach Jesus know the truth about God?

MaxInDHouse:
So you mean Jesus lied when he said:
“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

lost false jw mad max

if anyone means Jesus lied it is you, and certainly not me oh confused deceiver

MaxInDHouse: Whoever doesn't know Jesus has not come to know the truth and all those who knew Jesus must be his disciples PREACHING and TEACHING what he taught. Matthew 28:18-20

So i ask you again:

Can someone who doesn't preach Jesus know the truth about God?

well if you insist dum dum, paul grundy and i are preachers,
but of course that is usually referring to pastors etc. isn't it false jw


i told you mad max:

you will be forever more, cowardly and running away from the truth in confusion and babble

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.