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johnw47:
paul grundy and i are preachers.

johnw47:
one doesn't have to be a preacher to have the truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' teaching sounds unhealthy to the people of his time till today his people (Jews) hate anything that has to do with him but one thing is certain Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his real disciples will have love, joy and peace permeating their gathering.
Therefore if you know any religion that's having LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, MILDNESS, FAITH and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} permeating their gathering know today that there is no law against them. That's what Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully achieved globally among themselves!

You highlighted the fruit of the spirit WHICH EVERY CHRISTIAN MUST HAVE REGARDLESS HIS DENOMINATION. SO, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO YOUR GATHERING ALONE!


Jesus will take his Born Again brothers to heaven no eyes will see their movement because they will go like angels so it happened in the year 1914 and the rest of the numbers will join them later after they finish their earthly course. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17


I say it again, RAPTURE HAS NOT HAPPENED!


The Jews were proud people there was peace they were the trouble makers kicking against what God has ordained because God's word said the nations will rule for seven times and in Jesus' days the time God gave the nations is still counting! Luke 21:28[/b][b][/b]



It seems you don't know what PEACE is! Peace of God starts from the inward of man_it's like a gentle flow of river. There was no peace during Jesus time too for the Jews were under the rule of the Romans. Why were they waiting for the arrival of A KING to save them from the hand of the Barbarians? King Herod did all he could to kill the infant Jesus having heard A KING OF THE JEWS HAD BEEN BORN. He failed. The Jews likewise were in anticipation of A MILITARY KING OR WARLORD who would set them free from the rule of the Romans but they were disappointed. Read Luke 24:21.


[51] And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
[52] Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
[53] Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Matthew 26 : 51-53




The Beast is human government that's ruling forcefully over mankind with Satan backing them! 1John 5:19



The UN IS NOT OVER THE WORLD GOVERNMENT NOW, THEY ARE NOT CONTROLLING THE WORLD GOVERNMENT BUT RATHER NEGOTIATING PEACE AMONG NATIONS. SO, THEY ARE NOT RULING FORCEFULLY. Read Revelation 13 yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
You shouldn't have said:

well if you insist dum dum, paul grundy and i are preachers,
but of course that is usually referring to pastors etc. isn't it false jw

MaxInDHouse: If you're sure that Paul Grundy is a preacher of God's word.

MaxInDHouse: I'm no longer interested in your own church as you have failed over the years to mention one but now tell me the name of the ministry Paul Grundy is working with if you're not a liar!

you will be forever more, cowardly and running away from the truth in confusion and babble

Captain4Jehovah:
You highlighted the fruit of the spirit WHICH EVERY CHRISTIAN MUST HAVE REGARDLESS HIS DENOMINATION. SO, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO YOUR GATHERING ALONE!

Captain4Jehovah:
I say it again, RAPTURE HAS NOT HAPPENED!

Captain4Jehovah:
It seems you don't know what PEACE is! Peace of God starts from the inward of man_it's like a gentle flow of river.

Captain4Jehovah:
The UN IS NOT OVER THE WORLD GOVERNMENT NOW, THEY ARE NOT CONTROLLING THE WORLD GOVERNMENT BUT RATHER NEGOTIATING PEACE AMONG NATIONS. SO, THEY ARE NOT RULING FORCEFULLY. Read Revelation 13 yourself.

johnw47:
i never said that oh cannot stop deceiving false jw.

johnw47:
paul grundy and i are preachers.

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK now who is the liar?

MaxinDHouse: if you are sure that Paul Grundy is a preacher of God's word.

MaxInDHouse: Please next time don't run after Max because i am a million times intelligent than you.
Goodbye!

you will be forever more, cowardly and running away from the truth in confusion and babble

MaxInDHouse:
If a celebrity either musician, movie actor or politician say "my star is shining in the sky" does it mean people are seeing a literal star in the sky that's shining in his name?
Come on what Jesus meant is that his teachings will gain group in all the nations of the world among faithful people and the whole world will notice a group that's practicing what he taught even though they are few in number! Matthew 5:14-16

Petalss:
Kindly allow Captain4Jehovah whom I referenced to clarify my question or confirm whether what you’ve stated aligns with his own intended meaning.

MaxInDHouse:
It can't just as all Muslims don't agree on doctrinal issues so if you want to know something there's no need looking for contradictions rather think of what is BENEFICIAL to one and all!

Captain4Jehovah:
IF IT IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR CHRISTIANS, I MEAN BORN OF GOD TO POSSESS ALL THE FRUIT, THEN NO ONE IS FIT FOR GOD'S KINGDOM! IT'S THE WILL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT_IT IS PRODUCED BY THE SPIRIT_WHEN ONE SURRENDERS ALL TO HIM. See every Christian MUST STRUGGLE TO HAVE IT INDIVIDUALLY. Who are you if you don't have love for God and your neighbors? What would unbelievers call you if you don't have joy or what would be your stand before God even in a difficult situation if you don't have it? What would the world call you if you don't have and pursue peace with all men? The same with patience, kindness, goodness, mildness, faith in every difficult situations, and self control! I wonder what the livelihood of Christians would be in this perverse generation without the fruit!
Man, you have to CONTINUE struggling in order to have It.
Thanks that you mentioned JW IS AN ORGANIZATION NOT A CHURCH BUILT BY CHRIST!

Petalss:
Not everyone will agree on doctrinal issues, even within the same denomination, as interpretations often vary. That being said, I genuinely want to understand his personal perspective on the phrase, "every eye will see Him in the sky."Does he interpret it literally, believing it refers to a physical, visible event, or metaphorically, as a symbolic or spiritual occurrence? While I appreciate hearing your interpretation, I would also value hearing his thoughts directly. Please allow him to share his viewpoint.

Petalss:
Kindly allow Captain4Jehovah whom I referenced to clarify my question or confirm whether what you’ve stated aligns with his own intended meaning.

Captain4Jehovah:
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
John 3 : 11

Everyone is not giving THE GIFT OF TEACHING. Half baked or incompetent teacher cannot dish out the sound words that are edifying;it will be the opposite that might make a believer stray.
The statement does not mean Jesus teachings. It is literal! The sign of his second coming will be seen when rapture occurs. The peoples of the earth would see the appearance of Jesus. I should say that rapture is not an occurrence of a day though the Bible does not have the account!
At his actual second coming, Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Revelation 1 : 7

Petalss:
➜Thank you for your response. However, I believe it's important to approach this question logically. How would people across the entire Earth be able to see Jesus descending from the clouds simultaneously?
➜Using basic logic, even the Sun–which is approximately 1.3 million times larger than Earth–cannot be seen by everyone on Earth at the same time due to the planet's curvature and rotation. So, how plausible is it for Jesus to literally descend from the clouds and be visible to people on opposite sides of the globe?
➜Would this require a supernatural phenomenon beyond human comprehension, or could it be symbolic rather than literal? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this since you said it literal.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where most of you failed to understand God's word!

If any human can exhibit the complete fruit of God's Holy Spirit then there's no reason for GRACE (UNDESERVED KINDNESS) of God it is because imperfect humans are willing to do God's will but our imperfect body will never allow us that's why God said the anointed ones were chosen by GRACE.

You didn't work on what i told you:

Mention one person in the whole Bible who exhibited the complete fruit of God's Holy Spirit.

Ọmọ none of them, you can go and ask those who know the Bible better than you to point out one single person who exhibited the complete fruit of God's Holy Spirit.

The secret is that as long as we are living with imperfect body we can't exhibit the complete fruit of God's Holy Spirit {Romans 7:15-25 compare to James 3:2} unlike Jesus a perfect being with perfect body that's why he is the teacher through whom we are learning and until after a thousand years of intensive training from Jesus no human can exhibit the complete fruit of God's Holy Spirit.

That's why the Bible says it's after we have become perfect at the end of Christ's 1,000 years reign that Satan will be released to test PERFECT not imperfect humans to know if they truly love God before we can have everlasting life on earth. Revelations 20:1-5

So it's only by observing an organization of true believers in Christ that one can perceive all the qualities in the gathering of imperfect humans {Matthew 5:14-16} not that any single human can exhibit the complete fruit of God's Holy Spirit!

Kobojunkie:
1. Does any of the passages referenced — when considered in context of course — state that people across the entire Earth would be able to see Jesus Christ descending from the clouds simultaneously?

2. Is this a question of plausibility or a question born of misinterpretation of what was stated in those passages?

3. Or does it only apply as far as a few as opposed to the insistence that every human on the planet would see it?

Captain4Jehovah:
Absence of anyone of them in the life of a Christian MAY NOT MAKE SUCH A ONE MAKE HEAVEN.

Petalss:
1. You made an excellent point in response, and I can see the beauty in your reasoning. However, I’m uncertain whether it applies to the entire Earth.
➜What exactly does 'every eye' signify in this context? It's reminiscent of how some interpret 'sent to all nations' as referring to the entire universe, while others, like you, see it as addressing only the 12 tribes of Israel.
2. If he thinks that interpretation is plausible, I’d appreciate it if he could elaborate on how it can work. On the other hand, if it stems from a misunderstanding, I’d still value his clarification to better understand his perspective.
3. I’d also like to gain insight into this point, especially in relation to the person I referenced earlier.

Firsts of all what you just typed is pure lie God never said those who are going to heaven must become perfect first that's why you can't mention anyone who is perfect throughout the Bible except Jesus of Nazareth.

Petalss:
Thank you for your response. However, I believe it's important to approach this question logically. How would people across the entire Earth be able to see Jesus descending from the clouds simultaneously?

Using basic logic, even the Sun–which is approximately 1.3 million times larger than Earth–cannot be seen by everyone on Earth at the same time due to the planet's curvature and rotation.

So, how plausible is it for Jesus to literally descend from the clouds and be visible to people on opposite sides of the globe?

Would this require a supernatural phenomenon beyond human comprehension, or could it be symbolic rather than literal? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this since you said it literal.

Captain4Jehovah:
Jesus statement on perfection:

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 5 : 48

johnw47:
when Jesus returns on the clouds of heaven, He travels around the globe just like lightning goes from east to west and every eye will see Him:


Rev 1:7  BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. 

Mat 24:27  "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Kobojunkie:
If you think about it, you will agree that Scripture does not require interpretation since most readers already have a translation available to them in their mother tongue or at least one language they previously learned. An interpretation would also be necessary if one was, maybe attempting to read directly from the Greek script and is not himself a native Greek speaker. (Basically, interpretations are only necessary when one is reading in a second language that one is not entirely familiar with.)

I have never met an Englishman who picked up a physics textbook written in the English language only to declare that the book required additional interpretation of any kind. Basic comprehension is really what is necessary in that case, right? So, even with Scripture today, either the facts contained in the book are accepted as-is written or the reader rejects the facts and prefers other ideas not stated within the books.

Petalss:
MaxInDHouse, Kobojunkie,
This is exactly the point I am trying to make. I’m not seeking contradictions or attempting to challenge anyone unnecessarily; rather, I am genuinely interested in understanding various perspectives on this matter. Hearing and considering different points of view enriches the conversation and helps us grasp the full context of the topic at hand.
See how interpreting the phrase "every eye shall see him," is literally explained by johnw47 and he cite Matthew 24:27, which states, "For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

MaxInDHouse:
I have given you the correct interpretation but since you're a Muslim i know you don't care to know its practical application rather you only want to see people claiming Christians arguing against one another.

The truth is only one religion have the truth on this matter so if you're not interested in knowing that religion it's OK you can continue entertaining yourself.

Kingsempires:
Ever since I became a catholic member,I enjoyed the church I enjoy the mass, preaching etc. But I have been watching videos that is talking bad about catholic. I always ignore those videos till I come across this video that the link is at the Bossom. Is this history in the video is true, like am confused. Am I right being a catholic remember



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjLvP7GGOEs?si=sDCCWxiYVijNRjPF


What do you guys think about this video

MaxInDHouse:
History has nothing to do with your salvation rather your salvation hings on what you choose to do after knowing the truth about Christ and his kingdom, no matter where you come from or your former beliefs what matters to God is how you respond to the truth you heard.
The Catholic Church is the oldest religion among those claiming Christians today the only problem is that they refused to make changes after being shown their errors instead they were killing anyone who speaks the truth back then until America declared freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of worship before then whoever speaks against the church will be executed and if any group or city tries to protect such a person that city will be destroyed this is what the Catholics called CRUSADE during the dark ages.
So there are many false teachings in Catholic Church and since the church fathers refused to welcome corrections protests began which led to the birth of several religions today all of them claiming Christians that's why the Catholics refers to other churches as Protestants.
Christ has returned in the year 1914 and his blessing is upon a group that welcomed all the corrections he brought today they are known globally as Jehovah's Witnesses and yes most people hate them just as Jesus foretold about his true followers {Matthew 24:9} even though many can't say exactly why they hate Jehovah's Witnesses but we know the reason behind such hatred so we keep praying for them! Luke 6:27-28

johnw47:
the catholic church and many churches have false teachings, just as sects like the so called Jehovah's witnesses do,
the catholic church preach more about mary than about Jesus and Father God

and the so called Jehovah's witnesses make repeated false prophecies /false date settings etc.
they say Jesus returned at various dates, you see maxindhouse said Jesus returned in 1914
false jw's also said Jesus came in 1874

"Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874;…" Watchtower 1924 Jan 1 p.5)

^^ there is not the slightest room for doubt about 1874 according to those truly consecrated jw's

Mat_7:15  "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.



of course Christians of faith know the second coming of Christ is still future:

Rev 1:7  Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.

MaxInDHouse:
They often say God's modern day worshipers are false prophets because they keep on doing what John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth did during their lifetime.
John and Jesus said some 2,000 years ago:

"Repent for God's Kingdom is at hand" [Matthew 3:2; 4:17} what is the meaning of "at hand"?
If John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth could say God's Kingdom is at hand or will soon be here should we consider the both of them to be FALSE PROPHETS since it's been 2,000 years now and still counting or we need to figure out what they meant by that statement?

Dtruthspeaker:
Falls prophet, the topic is not about God's kingdom

MaxInDHouse:
Please mention the name of your own church!