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TenQ:
Yoruba Muslims beg for a Truce with Traditional Yoruba Religionists

For many who had not been aware, there had been a brutal reprisal attack by Yoruba Traditional Worshippers (Isese) against the Yoruba Muslims and the Muslims have caved in. The Isese worshippers on social media especially YouTube who daily gave insults to both Mohammed and Allah were unrestrained as daily these traditional worshippers brought facts upon facts from the Qur'an and Hadiths to discredit Mohammed, Islam and Allah.

Unfortunately, for the Yoruba Muslims, most of the Isese worshippers were former Muslims and some could even speak Arabic. Islam was humiliated as most of the Islamic clerics had no answers for the Isese worshippers claims backed up with incontrovertible evidences. Many Muslims were hearing for the first time some of what I've been saying here on Nairaland.

In the video below, one of the Elders of the Isese worshippers is begging their members to soft-pedal on their exposure of Islam as the Muslims have sent some emissaries to seek for a Truce.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QKN__Vgg5o?si=RjrBRgOefRTG01qv

It seems that the only only language Islam understand is violence by a superior force: like Israel dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah with poundings of supremacy.

The Origin of this conflict was in Ilorin early last year when the Council of Ulama (Islamic clerics) in Kwara State forcefully prevented those planning to celebrate traditional religion or Ifa festival in Ilorin, the state capital, to retrace their steps. The council warned that Ifa festival, under any guise, would not be allowed in any part of Ilorin Emirate, comprising Asa, Moro, Ilorin East, Ilorin West and Ilorin South local government areas.

https://punchng.com/isese-police-take-sides-as-ilorin-traditionalists-battle-for-survival/

https://www.thecable.ng/ilorin-isese-and-the-tyranny-of-the-majority/

Since the Yoruba Muslims used a combination of Government enforcement powers and brute force with intimidation to harass them, the Isese worshippers went on their counter attack on social media.

It was so bad that it even became an intra-Islamic war between Islamic clerics cautioning each other on the way their fellow clerics have been attacking the Isese worshippers resulting in total humiliation for them

The Yoruba Muslims have now called for a Truce with the Isese Worshippers (and they even included Christians in this meeting whose date is yet to be fixed) as many secrets that were not supposed to he heard about Islam are being aired in public. Many Yoruba Muslims have abandoned their faith in Islam.

The YouTube handle of the Isese worshippers is Tani Olohun for those who can speak some Yoruba

Some of their Topics were:
-Mohammed stole a Red Panty (Underwear)
-Mohammed is a Pedophile
-Will All Muslims enter Hell Fire
-God is different from Allah
-Islamic religion require no brain
-Mohammed had sex with a Corpse
-Islam, the Religion of Lies


In the video below, an Islamic Cleric claims to become a Yoruba Traditional Worshipper


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM-8TgQDVMQ?si=GIhBJL4yShzudK9e



Questions:
1. Do you support Imam Alhaji AkewugbaGold for calling for a Truce with the Isese Worshippers?
2. Do you think that the Internet has been a curse for Islam as damning evidences abound that discredit islamic doctrines?
3. Why is it that Muslims only respect superior violence?
4. Are Muslims afraid of the Truth?



[i]All my Friends on Nairaland:
Almunjid

Hello Mr. TenQ, I am writing to respectfully inform you that I am no longer interested in engaging in religious discussions with you. It seems that your inquiries do not stem from a genuine desire to learn but rather from a predetermined set of questions and answers. This approach not only undermines the potential for constructive dialogue but also indicates a lack of openness to understanding Islamic perspectives.

I kindly request that you remove any mentions of my moniker, "Almunjid", from your subsequent quotes as I do not wish to be associated with these conversations. While I have attempted to maintain tolerance in the face of your religious slurs and unproductive comments, I find that they conflict with the teachings and morals of my faith.

I insist that you refrain from quoting me in any further discussions, as your provocative and disrespectful remarks towards my religion and Prophet Muhammad are not in line with the values I hold dear. No Muslim would deliberately insult Jesus or other prophets, and I do not see any valid reason to continue receiving and reading messages that insult my faith.

As a guiding principle, the Qur'an instructs us not to engage with those who mock our faith, as stated in verse 4:140: "He hath already revealed unto you in the Scripture that, when ye hear the revelations of Allah rejected and derided, (ye) sit not with them (who disbelieve and mock) until they engage in some other conversation."

In light of this, I ask you to respect my decision to discontinue our dialogue. I appreciate your understanding and ask that you honor my request moving forward.


peace
be upon those
who follow true guidance!

Almunjid:
Hello Mr. TenQ, I am writing to respectfully inform you that I am no longer interested in engaging in religious discussions with you. It seems that your inquiries do not stem from a genuine desire to learn but rather from a predetermined set of questions and answers. This approach not only undermines the potential for constructive dialogue but also indicates a lack of openness to understanding Islamic perspectives.

I kindly request that you remove any mentions of my moniker, "Almunjid", from your subsequent quotes as I do not wish to be associated with these conversations. While I have attempted to maintain tolerance in the face of your religious slurs and unproductive comments, I find that they conflict with the teachings and morals of my faith.

I insist that you refrain from quoting me in any further discussions, as your provocative and disrespectful remarks towards my religion and Prophet Muhammad are not in line with the values I hold dear. No Muslim would deliberately insult Jesus or other prophets, and I do not see any valid reason to continue receiving and reading messages that insult my faith.

As a guiding principle, the Qur'an instructs us not to engage with those who mock our faith, as stated in verse 4:140: "He hath already revealed unto you in the Scripture that, when ye hear the revelations of Allah rejected and derided, (ye) sit not with them (who disbelieve and mock) until they engage in some other conversation."

In light of this, I ask you to respect my decision to discontinue our dialogue. I appreciate your understanding and ask that you honor my request moving forward.


peace
be upon those
who follow true guidance!

Did Muhammad sleep with a 9 YEAR OLD GIRL.?

aribisala0:
Muhamid thief red pant?

Why red?

Red is said to be the colour of the underwear: if it was Yellow, they would have said so!
LOL!

aribisala0:
It is a worry that Muhamid who stole RED PANTS and slept with children is considered a messenger of Allah

Muslims are hoping that Islam is the way and they are doing everything under the sun including fabricating fables and manufacturing lies to defend Allah and his prophet Mohammed instead of turning to "Jesus Christ the Truth"!

aribisala0:
Who is idol worshippers

You must be a lunatic

Anyone who kisses the black stone and circumnavigate a cube that used to house hundreds of idols in the past is an Idol worshipper.
Anyone who has to pray towards a house on earth before their prayers can be heard is an idol worshipper

Almunjid:
Hello Mr. TenQ, I am writing to respectfully inform you that I am no longer interested in engaging in religious discussions with you. It seems that your inquiries do not stem from a genuine desire to learn but rather from a predetermined set of questions and answers. This approach not only undermines the potential for constructive dialogue but also indicates a lack of openness to understanding Islamic perspectives.

I kindly request that you remove any mentions of my moniker, "Almunjid", from your subsequent quotes as I do not wish to be associated with these conversations. While I have attempted to maintain tolerance in the face of your religious slurs and unproductive comments, I find that they conflict with the teachings and morals of my faith.

I insist that you refrain from quoting me in any further discussions, as your provocative and disrespectful remarks towards my religion and Prophet Muhammad are not in line with the values I hold dear. No Muslim would deliberately insult Jesus or other prophets, and I do not see any valid reason to continue receiving and reading messages that insult my faith.

As a guiding principle, the Qur'an instructs us not to engage with those who mock our faith, as stated in verse 4:140: "He hath already revealed unto you in the Scripture that, when ye hear the revelations of Allah rejected and derided, (ye) sit not with them (who disbelieve and mock) until they engage in some other conversation."

In light of this, I ask you to respect my decision to discontinue our dialogue. I appreciate your understanding and ask that you honor my request moving forward.


peace
be upon those
who follow true guidance!

Can you please remind me of any conversation you had with me on Nairaland?

I am even hardly online these days!

TenQ:
Can you please remind me of any conversation you had with me on Nairaland?

I am even hardly online these days!

It has been some time since our last conversation, which began with a debate about the origin of the word "Allah" and the connection between "Allah" and "Elohim." Upon reflection, I realized that you approached our discussions with a closed mind, which ultimately led me to disengage from the conversation.

However, despite my decision to step away, I have noticed that you have continued to quote me in various topics that I do not wish to be associated with. I would like to respectfully request that you stop quoting me in these discussions. It is not appropriate to condemn the faith of others, and I believe we should treat each other with respect and understanding.

While it is true that we have differing beliefs, I would never intentionally create threads to insult religious figures that you or anyone else holds dear. Productive discussions should be approached with an open mind and a genuine desire to learn from one another, rather than parroting the arguments of others without critical thought.

In light of this, I propose that we recognize each other as fellow believers in the Abrahamic tradition, acknowledging that we all worship the same one true God, even if our methods may differ. It is not our place to judge one another, as judgement is reserved for God alone.

As the Qur'an states in chapter 2:62: "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.". Ultimately, Allah will judge us on our own merits and intentions, not on the specific religion we practice (Qur'an 3:55).

I encourage you to consider redirecting your energy away from condemning Islam and Muhammad, it may be more beneficial to invest your energy in fostering a deeper connection with your own faith. If you were to invest your time in nurturing your own spiritual growth and relationship with God, I believe it would serve you better in the long run.


Peace
be upon those
who follow true guidance!

Almunjid:
It has been some time since our last conversation, which began with a debate about the origin of the word "Allah" and the connection between "Allah" and "Elohim." Upon reflection, I realized that you approached our discussions with a closed mind, which ultimately led me to disengage from the conversation.

However, despite my decision to step away, I have noticed that you have continued to quote me in various topics that I do not wish to be associated with. I would like to respectfully request that you stop quoting me in these discussions. It is not appropriate to condemn the faith of others, and I believe we should treat each other with respect and understanding.

While it is true that we have differing beliefs, I would never intentionally create threads to insult religious figures that you or anyone else holds dear. Productive discussions should be approached with an open mind and a genuine desire to learn from one another, rather than parroting the arguments of others without critical thought.

In light of this, I propose that we recognize each other as fellow believers in the Abrahamic tradition, acknowledging that we all worship the same one true God, even if our methods may differ. It is not our place to judge one another, as judgement is reserved for God alone.

As the Qur'an states in chapter 2:62: "Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.". Ultimately, Allah will judge us on our own merits and intentions, not on the specific religion we practice (Qur'an 3:55).

I encourage you to consider redirecting your energy away from condemning Islam and Muhammad, it may be more beneficial to invest your energy in fostering a deeper connection with your own faith. If you were to invest your time in nurturing your own spiritual growth and relationship with God, I believe it would serve you better in the long run.


Peace !


be upon those
who follow true guidance!

Just as you have not been responding to my post, you can continue to do so as it is a free faceless online forum
Thanks.

Nothing is by force: not even the Truth.
The consequence, we may have to live with without a choice though!

Have a beautiful night rest.

BUT,
You know we do not worship the same God
1. Allah is NOT YHWH
2. Allah is NOT a Father to Anyone nor in ny sense
3. Allah is NOT Omnipresent
4. Allah is NOT a Spirit
Who ever told you that Allah is the same as the God of the Jews and Christians is telling you a big lie


BTW
Jesus command me to Preach the Good News to EVERYONE: Anyone who Believes would be SAVED and the ones who refuses are condemned to Hell Already.

Thus I have to DO the work of connecting people for the Salvation in Christ Jesus

VERY GOOD.
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF ODUDUIWA.

TenQ:
Just as you have not been responding to my post, you can continue to do so as it is a free faceless online forum
Thanks.

Nothing is by force: not even the Truth.
The consequence, we may have to live with without a choice though!

Have a beautiful night rest.

BUT,
You know we do not worship the same God
1. Allah is NOT YHWH
2. Allah is NOT a Father to Anyone nor in ny sense
3. Allah is NOT Omnipresent
4. Allah is NOT a Spirit
Who ever told you that Allah is the same as the God of the Jews and Christians is telling you a big lie


BTW
Jesus command me to Preach the Good News to EVERYONE: Anyone who Believes would be SAVED and the ones who refuses are condemned to Hell Already.

Thus I have to DO the work of connecting people for the Salvation in Christ Jesus

As I mentioned earlier, our faith, as stated in the Qur'an, instructs us not to engage in arguments or discussions with those who mock or make jest of our beliefs. Instead, we are encouraged to affirm our own faith while respecting the right of others to follow their own path.

As the Qur'an says, "O you disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. I will never worship what you worship, nor will you ever worship what I worship. You have your way, and I have my Way" (Qur'an 109:1-6).

With this in mind, I kindly request that you refrain from involving me in conversations that disparage or belittle my faith. I'm not your friend, don't quote in your blaspheming hogwash. I have chosen to be a Muslim and submit to the will of Allah, and your attempts to criticize or make jest of my faith will not persuade me to convert to idol worshipping. I respectfully ask that you honor my decision to practice my faith in peace and allow me to follow the teachings of my religion without interference. Gracias!

Almunjid:
As I mentioned earlier, our faith, as stated in the Qur'an, instructs us not to engage in arguments or discussions with those who mock or make jest of our beliefs. Instead, we are encouraged to affirm our own faith while respecting the right of others to follow their own path.

As the Qur'an says, "O you disbelievers! I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. I will never worship what you worship, nor will you ever worship what I worship. You have your way, and I have my Way" (Qur'an 109:1-6).

With this in mind, I kindly request that you refrain from involving me in conversations that disparage or belittle my faith. I'm not your friend, don't quote in your blaspheming hogwash. I have chosen to be a Muslim and submit to the will of Allah, and your attempts to criticize or make jest of my faith will not persuade me to convert to idol worshipping. I respectfully ask that you honor my decision to practice my faith in peace and allow me to follow the teachings of my religion without interference. Gracias!

It seems now you recognise that it is a complete UNTRUTH to say that Allah is the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David etc for the name of their God is YHWH!

This is the greatest deception by the Al-Makr. Will you die before you receive the truth?

When you know the Truth and adapt it, this same Truth sets you FREE.

If your God is not the God of the Jews and Christians: you have been scammed. There is no religion on earth that gives external Life with God in Paradise.

Ask yourself:
Why did Jesus come to this World with such a unique set of attributes no one else in the world have?

My job is to show you the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE that at death, you will not be afraid!

Quran 19:71
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمٗا مَّقۡضِيّٗا
there is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Must you enter the fire before you know that you were scammed of eternity with God by Mohammed and his Islam?

TenQ:
It seems now you recognise that it is a complete UNTRUTH to say that Allah is the same as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David etc for the name of their God is YHWH!

This is the greatest deception by the Al-Makr. Will you die before you receive the truth?

When you know the Truth and adapt it, this same Truth sets you FREE.

If your God is not the God of the Jews and Christians: you have been scammed. There is no religion on earth that gives external Life with God in Paradise.

Ask yourself:
Why did Jesus come to this World with such a unique set of attributes no one else in the world have?

My job is to show you the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE that at death, you will not be afraid!

Quran 19:71
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمٗا مَّقۡضِيّٗا
there is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Must you enter the fire before you know that you were scammed of eternity with God by Mohammed and his Islam?

Lol, It seems you're determined to engage in conversation. I'll allow it today, but please refrain from quoting me in your future dialogues. Regarding your first paragraph, it's futile to argue with you. You possess knowledge but lack a comprehensive understanding. It's akin to telling Hausa, Igbo, and Yoruba individuals that their references to God as "Ubangiji," "Chineke," and "Olorun/Olodumare" don't align with the YHWH concept but rather represent idols. Allah is God, just as an English speaker might say "God" instead of "YHWH."

I've read the Arabic translation of the Bible. Years ago, when my Arabic was better than my English, a Christian friend gave me the Arabic Bible Gideon Translation. Unlike you, who prefers to criticize people's faith under the guise of proselytizing, my friend provided materials to facilitate productive discussions. While reading the Bible, I noticed "اللهُ" (Allah) was used throughout the Arabic Bible (New Testament). Do you mean to say that "Arab Christians" worship the same Allah as in Islam?

Consider this popular verse from the Arabic Bible Gideon Translation:
John 3:16: لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ "اللهُ" الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِك كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ. ("For 'God' so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." ). Even if you can't read Arabic, compare the bolded word for God in the verse with this Qur'an verse: بِسۡمِ "ٱللَّهِ" ٱلرَّحۡمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ (In the Name of "Allah", the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.). Are they not the same?

Moreover, according to Prophet Muhammad, mentioned in Hadith, and various Islamic scholars, including those in Sufism and other sects, our creator has a name, and Allah isn't it; Allah is the Arabic word for God, and God, even in English, is a title rather than a name. Prophet Muhammad explained that the true name of our creator is revealed only to selected prophets and messengers, enabling control over everything when uttered. Although, he never told anyone what the name was. Some scholars are of the opinion that the real name for God (Allah) our creator revealed to prophets is "Rahman," while others claim it's "Huwa," as in Ya-Huwa, similar to YHWH, mentioned in Qur'an 23:24. However, claiming Allah isn't YHWH is inaccurate. Different tribes have unique names for God; their original usage as idol names is irrelevant; what matters is intention.

As the Qur'an states, even if you don't know our creator's true name, you may call Him Allah (God) or the Merciful; whichever name you invoke, He possesses the most beautiful names (Qur'an 17:110). As a Muslim, I don't dispute YHWH as our creator. But you can also refer to Him as Allah, Chineke, Ubangiji, Olorun, the Merciful, the Omnipotent, and the Omniscient God—what matters is your intention behind these names.

Almunjid:
Lol, It seems you're determined to engage in conversation. I'll allow it today, but please refrain from quoting me in your future dialogues. Regarding your first paragraph, it's futile to argue with you. You possess knowledge but lack a comprehensive understanding. It's akin to telling Hausa, Igbo, and Yoruba individuals that their references to God as "Ubangiji," "Chineke," and "Olorun/Olodumare" don't align with the YHWH concept but rather represent idols. Allah is God, just as an English speaker might say "God" instead of "YHWH."

You seem to forget that there are two distinct usage of the word Allah.
1. The primary definition of Allah mean "Deity" exactly like "God/god" or Chinese or Olorun/Olodumare mean DEITY!
2. The secondary definition of Allah is the Islamic nomenclature of Name of the DEITY of Islam.

When a Hindu is speaking Arabic about his Deity (Brahma or Vishnu), he would speak of his Allah. Is the Allah of the Hindu the same as the Allah of the Muslims ?

When the Yoruba Isese worshippers translate the worship of their Deity into Arabic as Allah, will you conclude that their deity is Allah.

-The name of the Allah (Arabic) of the Muslims is Allah !
-The name of the Allah (Arabic) of the Jews is YHWH !
-The name of the Allah (Arabic) of the Christians is YHWH !
-The name of the Allah (Arabic) of the Himdu is Brahma ! etc

Almunjid:
I've read the Arabic translation of the Bible. Years ago, when my Arabic was better than my English, a Christian friend gave me the Arabic Bible Gideon Translation. Unlike you, who prefers to criticize people's faith under the guise of proselytizing, my friend provided materials to facilitate productive discussions. While reading the Bible, I noticed "اللهُ" (Allah) was used throughout the Arabic Bible (New Testament). Do you mean to say that "Arab Christians" worship the same Allah as in Islam?

Consider this popular verse from the Arabic Bible Gideon Translation:
John 3:16: لأَنَّهُ هكَذَا أَحَبَّ "اللهُ" الْعَالَمَ حَتَّى بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَحِيدَ، لِكَيْ لاَ يَهْلِك كُلُّ مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِهِ، بَلْ تَكُونُ لَهُ الْحَيَاةُ الأَبَدِيَّةُ. ("For 'God' so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." )
Even if you can't read Arabic, compare the bolded word for God in the verse with this Qur'an verse: بِسۡمِ "ٱللَّهِ" ٱلرَّحۡمَٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ (In the Name of "Allah", the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.). Are they not the same?

The Arabic Gideon's Bible you Quoted used the title God rather than the name YHWH.

It is easy to distinguish between the President of China from the President of Nigeria and from the President of Russia.

The Difference is in their IDENTITIES or NOMENCLATURE.

We can do a Simple TEST
1. Is the name of the Allah of the Muslims YHWH?
2. Is the Allah of the Muslims a Father to Anyone (in any sense)?
3. Is the Allah of the Muslims Omnipresent?
4. Is the Allah of the a Spirit?

If the answer to anyone of these 4 questions is NO, then your Allah is NOT the same as the Allah of the Jews and Christians.

Almunjid:
Moreover, according to Prophet Muhammad, mentioned in Hadith, and various Islamic scholars, including those in Sufism and other sects, our creator has a name, and Allah isn't it; Allah is the Arabic word for God, and God, even in English, is a title rather than a name. Prophet Muhammad explained that the true name of our creator is revealed only to selected prophets and messengers, enabling control over everything when uttered. Although, he never told anyone what the name was. Some scholars are of the opinion that the real name for God (Allah) our creator revealed to prophets is "Rahman," while others claim it's "Huwa," as in Ya-Huwa, similar to YHWH, mentioned in Qur'an 23:24. However, claiming Allah isn't YHWH is inaccurate. Different tribes have unique names for God; their original usage as idol names is irrelevant; what matters is intention.

I gave you a challenge of four Questions to test if the Allah of Muslims is the same as YHWH the name of the Allah of the Jews and Christians.

It seems you forget that according to Islamic scholars, Allah has other 99 names but Allah is the primary name.

Almunjid:
As the Qur'an states, even if you don't know our creator's true name, you may call Him Allah (God) or the Merciful; whichever name you invoke, He possesses the most beautiful names (Qur'an 17:110). As a Muslim, I don't dispute YHWH as our creator. But you can also refer to Him as Allah, Chineke, Ubangiji, Olorun, the Merciful, the Omnipotent, and the Omniscient God—what matters is your intention behind these names.

Can you show of the 99 names of Allah the name Ya-huwa?

-Is the name of the Chineke of the Dibia (Igbo Herbalist) Allah (of the Muslims)?

I still make a challenge:
YHWH is Omnipresent, is Allah (of the Muslims) also Omnipresent?


God's Omnipresence mean that God is present equally everywhere in space and time (physical and spiritual)

aribisala0:
Did muhammad fucck a 9 year old and did he steal a red pant?. Why
What is special about red panties?

You worship ogun ba
Pray yourself make Ogun kill you

Expanse2020:
You worship ogun ba
Pray yourself make Ogun kill you

Ogun will kill your mother like a dog

The same way he killed your dirty pedophile prophet called Muhammad

aribisala0:
Ogun will kill your mother like a dog

The same way he killed your dirty pedophile prophet called Muhammad

Those who still worship ogun and others idols should kill them and there generation