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Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't mean the flood was copied.
Even in science two mathematicians independently invented calculus.

It points to show rather that they have a common origin and the story then was a norm among the people!

Contrary to your pathetic indications of plagiarism!

Mention another is it only Noah's flood you can think of👀

Think boy, think!

The writing of the Epic of Gilgamesh is dated to as early as the Third Dynasty of Ur (about 2100 B.C.). The earliest surviving copy is in the form of the Old Babylonian tablets, which are dated to about 1800 B.C. Regardless, the Epic of Gilgamesh was written before any books of the Bible. The dates of writing of the books of the Bible span roughly 1500 years. As one might suspect, Genesis was one of the first Bible books written (if not the very first).
You can crosscheck yourself

jaephoenix:
1. So if I say someone or a book copied another book, it has to copy the whole damn book before you agree about the copying?
I clearly told you the bible copied many books which predated it, including those 2 books I mentioned and the dead sea scrolls. The flood story was the stand-out example. And the Epic was written thousands of years before the bible was written.

Anyone can make a statement.
I can as well say I am wiser than Einstein!
But you prove me if indeed I am what I say.
Whether truly I have an IQ higher than that of Einstein's.

If not then I am a Cappadocian🤧

jaephoenix:
The writing of the Epic of Gilgamesh is dated to as early as the Third Dynasty of Ur (about 2100 B.C.). The earliest surviving copy is in the form of the Old Babylonian tablets, which are dated to about 1800 B.C. Regardless, the Epic of Gilgamesh was written before any books of the Bible. The dates of writing of the books of the Bible span roughly 1500 years. As one might suspect, Genesis was one of the first Bible books written (if not the very first).
You can crosscheck yourself

Is this what I asked you?
You can as well ask chatgpt or Gemini which brought this historical narration to you; to give you ideas or faucets of plagiarism that the bible committed as regards the "Epic" 🤦

And don't get me started on the "code of Hammurabi"

Just like Haman "you dug your own grave"🤧
The architect of your own logical demise!

jaephoenix:
The writing of the Epic of Gilgamesh is dated to as early as the Third Dynasty of Ur (about 2100 B.C.). The earliest surviving copy is in the form of the Old Babylonian tablets, which are dated to about 1800 B.C. Regardless, the Epic of Gilgamesh was written before any books of the Bible. The dates of writing of the books of the Bible span roughly 1500 years. As one might suspect, Genesis was one of the first Bible books written (if not the very first).
You can crosscheck yourself

While Jae is on a self defeating quest for wisdom to bring forth proof of plagiarism; is there any other atheist here that has beef with the Lord God of Israel?

Let him or she come forth🙃

Gabrielshow24:
Oh they also copied the level system of Hammurabi🤧

Likewise they copied the accidental creation of humans from the epic of Gilgamesh🤦

Am currently in transit and will attend to all your statements soon

Now am home let me reprove this erring child of God!

You claim they copied epic of Gilgamesh.

Give me concepts other than Noah's flood and supposed gods falling. That are present in both the bible and epic of Gilgamesh!

Now do you even know what that code of Hammurabi entails.
Have you even read it?
Does it sound similar to the general theme of the biblical laws given in Exodus?

🤕Once again you just quote things you have no idea of.

About the Code of Hammurabi, it predated the bible also. Some of the laws found in the Torah, the first five books of the Bible copied the Code. Moses, the supposed author of the Torah, lived in the 15th century b.c.e., roughly 300 years after Hammurabi. The Bible says that Moses received his laws by divine revelation but it was all from Code of Hammurabi.
One of the most famous provision in the Code of Hammurabi, and the most alike to that of the Bible, is the law about an “eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.” “If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out. If he break another man’s bone, his bone shall be broken. … If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out.” Compare this with Exodus 21:23-25: “… thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe

jaephoenix:
About the Code of Hammurabi, it predated the bible also. Some of the laws found in the Torah, the first five books of the Bible copied the Code. Moses, the supposed author of the Torah, lived in the 15th century b.c.e., roughly 300 years after Hammurabi. The Bible says that Moses received his laws by divine revelation but it was all from Code of Hammurabi.
One of the most famous provision in the Code of Hammurabi, and the most alike to that of the Bible, is the law about an “eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.” “If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out. If he break another man’s bone, his bone shall be broken. … If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out.” Compare this with Exodus 21:23-25: “… thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe

😂😂😂😂 "Epic" failed you now you decided to "code".

How does that prove anything?
Because the exact words of just do it was found in some Aztec inscription that means " Nike" copied from them🤧

Or perhaps because " Horus resurrection" that means Christians copied from Egyptian mythology!

Even Laplace independently arrived at law of large numbers hundred of years after Bernoulli's posthumous release of it 🤕.

What then is your point? 👀

You have faulty grounds for plagiarism!

Gabrielshow24:
Oh they also copied the level system of Hammurabi🤧

Likewise they copied the accidental creation of humans from the epic of Gilgamesh🤦

Am currently in transit and will attend to all your statements soon

Now am home let me reprove this erring child of God!

You claim they copied epic of Gilgamesh.

Give me concepts other than Noah's flood and supposed gods falling. That are present in both the bible and epic of Gilgamesh!

Now do you even know what that code of Hammurabi entails.
Have you even read it?
Does it sound similar to the general theme of the biblical laws given in Exodus?

🤕Once again you just quote things you have no idea of.

I also remember In Egyptian mythology, Horus was conceived by Isis, who was considered a virgin. And this was ages before the bible was written

So your book is a copycat

kingxsamz:
Oh, I remember now. You're the niggah who debated chatgpt and forced it to acknowledge your argument as superior. You screenshotted the convo and then brought it here to rejoice and celebrate. 😂
Very pathetic stuff.

Lol. Bro u see that kain thing. And he's claiming that its only me that would talk about it that no other atheist would talk about it. Dude is a cruise

Gabrielshow24:
Does it matter? that's the Lord of your soul be happy with it! 🙃

A lot of people are glad being subjects of the devil.

It's just a matter of perspective 😊
Enjoy brother,
May the Unicorn bless and favor you! 😁

Amen, bro

Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the wise Jae Phoenix, as if life hasn’t already thrown enough curveballs his way—because who wouldn’t want to add a touch of mythical rebirth to their jaded existence? 🦅✨

Thank you for acknowledging my deity. May the Blessed Unicorn bless you, bro

Gabrielshow24:
It doesn't mean the flood was copied.
Even in science two mathematicians independently invented calculus.

It points to show rather that they have a common origin and the story then was a norm among the people!

Contrary to your pathetic indications of plagiarism!

Mention another is it only Noah's flood you can think of👀

Think boy, think!

The copy was too brazen. The bible copied the flood, how a god told some dude to build a boat, and saved some folks through it etc. Very original

FxMasterz:
1. I said "Most of the prominent atheists." Did I say all of them? Out of all the prominent atheists that rush into debates on this forum, only you and hopefullandlord appeared. I didn't even know Jessicarabbit until that day when she mentioned me on that thread. So, I don't see her as a Nairaland prominent atheist. So, am I not right? Only two atheists among all the known prominent atheists on this forum responded. I didn't know kingxamz too until that day.

2. Is creationism exclusively a religious topic? You mean even when it is debated in academia, they're discussing religion? You still added your regular insults in your folly. Well, if the screenshot below doesn't school you, I wonder what will.

1. Bro, you won't even all or even most of all the prominent atheists engage in other threads inviting atheists to discuss. We are busy folks too. Besides you won't see all the prominent theists(whether christian or muslim) in threads inviting theists to engage.
2. Even chatgpt showed you that creationism is religious topic, and you are here spewing trash

Gabrielshow24:
Anyone can make a statement.
I can as well say I am wiser than Einstein!
But you prove me if indeed I am what I say.
Whether truly I have an IQ higher than that of Einstein's.

If not then I am a Cappadocian🤧

What has this gotta do with our arguments

Gabrielshow24:
Is this what I asked you?
You can as well ask chatgpt or Gemini which brought this historical narration to you; to give you ideas or faucets of plagiarism that the bible committed as regards the "Epic" 🤦

And don't get me started on the "code of Hammurabi"

Just like Haman "you dug your own grave"🤧
The architect of your own logical demise!

This isn't a chatgpt output
If a book existed ages before another book, and the newer book says almost the exact scenario, what would you deduce?

jaephoenix:
I also remember In Egyptian mythology, Horus was conceived by Isis, who was considered a virgin. And this was ages before the bible was written

So your book is a copycat

It was never claimed that Isis was a virgin 👀

Show me the source that claims Isis was a virgin!

Disclaimer: once again Jae is on another self defeating conquest to prove Isis was a virgin, he won't reply to this message for a while.
He is just like his father Billy Carson, they claim to use ancestral/ancient texts without understanding what is written there, cherrypicking what soothes them!

Gabrielshow24:
While Jae is on a self defeating quest for wisdom to bring forth proof of plagiarism; is there any other atheist here that has beef with the Lord God of Israel?

Let him or she come forth🙃

Go ahead and engage me. If you prove yourself a lil bit smart, they may just be tempted to debate with you. As of now, you haven't brought any resistance to the barrage of evidence I'm showing you

jaephoenix:
This isn't a chatgpt output
If a book existed ages before another book, and the newer book says almost the exact scenario, what would you deduce?

That's why there's context!
The English words are finite sooner or later the appearance of certain words will be in both but what is the theme or context surrounding the usage of such words!

The general take home of the code of Hammurabi was that all fingers were not equal. There were systems of judgements based on status!

Unlike the Law of Moses how can they be the same?

The Epic:

Gilgamesh had to consort a being🤔 or I suppose a man, it's been long, that told him about the flood and how immortality is not for men!

You can see how contrary this is to the bible which states immortality is achievable by man!

jaephoenix:
1. Bro, you won't even all or even most of all the prominent atheists engage in other threads inviting atheists to discuss. We are busy folks too. Besides you won't see all the prominent theists(whether christian or muslim) in threads inviting theists to engage.
2. Even chatgpt showed you that creationism is religious topic, and you are here spewing trash

1. My friend, I know those who MUST always engage me whenever I create such threads. You're one of them. Hopefullandlord is not one of them. He has not featured prominently in debates with me. Why only you?

2. Meta AI, not Chatgpt. It said creationism is not exclusively a religious topic, it all depends on the angle taken on its discussion. It was a purely scientific debate. That's why no reference to God was made. The question is "Was the world created or did it evolve?" How's that religiious?

Screenshot again:

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂😂 "Epic" failed you now you decided to "code".

How does that prove anything?
Because the exact words of just do it was found in some Aztec inscription that means " Nike" copied from them🤧

Or perhaps because " Horus resurrection" that means Christians copied from Egyptian mythology!

Even Laplace independently arrived at law of large numbers hundred of years after Bernoulli's posthumous release of it 🤕.

What then is your point? 👀

You have faulty grounds for plagiarism!

The instances of Epic, Code, Egyptian mythologies and other sources were too specific to be coincidences

jaephoenix:
Go ahead and engage me. If you prove yourself a lil bit smart, they may just be tempted to debate with you. As of now, you haven't brought any resistance to the barrage of evidence I'm showing you

You haven't brought shit!
Very obvious to the blind that you don't what you are saying, I bet you copied half of this stuffs from supposed antiChrist articles but you haven't done the work!

I have read all these books, I am familiar with every apocryphal book because I have read them there is nothing you want to tell me about them that I don't know!

How pathetic! 🤧
You avoided the evidence i asked you to bring as regards "Epic"!

Now you are nowhere to be found as regards the "virginity of Isis"

You posit something and then when you see you have goofed; you run away!

Bring evidence let's see! 👀
Cowards, both you and somvya.
Claiming you know, when you both know nothing!

Gabrielshow24:
It was never claimed that Isis was a virgin 👀

Show me the source that claims Isis was a virgin!

Disclaimer: once again Jae is on another self defeating conquest to prove Isis was a virgin, he won't reply to this message for a while.
He is just like his father Billy Carson, they claim to use ancestral/ancient texts without understanding what is written there, cherrypicking what soothes them!

Just look how dvmb u r. You dont even know basic history and mythology and u arrogate yourself worthy of any atheist time
And u expect other atheists took waste time engaging u?

jaephoenix:
Just look how dvmb u r. You dont even know basic history and mythology and u arrogate yourself worthy of any atheist time
And u expect other atheists took waste time engaging u?

How misleading!
First of all there are hieroglyphics that suggest she copulated with her husband in bird form!

Although she is regarded as a virgin deity but horus' birth is acknowledge to be by her taking her husband seed in bird form.

Does that sound like a virgin?
Did Mary take in while in bird form?

You arrogant lots when you just stumble upon an article you think you know it all.

The so called Isis, is depicted in so many texts to be having an affair with her husband.

With different sources giving different accounts of how Horus was conceived.

Some accounts or praise for the goddess even involves her saying "she is the LovePeddler and the virgin".

That's saying something👀

jaephoenix:
Just look how dvmb u r. You dont even know basic history and mythology and u arrogate yourself worthy of any atheist time
And u expect other atheists took waste time engaging u?

Jae, you are not making any sense at all!

All your sources are either made up or incomplete.

And most of the time you don't even know half of what you are talking about.
Relying on Queries to help you!

👀How pathetic!
Coming from someone that is not even knowledgeable on the topic at hand✋.

How would you feel if I come to your office and start saying the scrotum is in the head of a man😁 or the femur is his waist bone!

You can see how conflicting and tiring I will be to you.

Although I might get their names right but their purpose and context is all wrong!

That's exactly what you are doing!
Copying and pasting from some unknown atheist source.

Without properly verifying this sources or reading this books for yourself to understand where the similarities you so claim to exist are.

But as usual without parachute you jump from high cliffs💀.

Go and educate yourself in basic history pick a date when you are ready let me know.

So far once again I am not impressed with you and that self claimed "child of God", somvya.

I will do far much better than this if I were to be an atheist.

Pathetic and disgusting!🤦

jaephoenix:
The copy was too brazen. The bible copied the flood, how a god told some dude to build a boat, and saved some folks through it etc. Very original

I've written about the flood on here, its basically a very common ancient near eastern myth/motif that was copied like most Nigerian movies 😅 from myths of older cultures way before the copiers. Lets not even get into the book of Genesis which also copies and adopts common motifs found in other ancient near eastern epics/stories like Enuma Elish, that they had to edit, redact and retcon to make it different with Genesis 1 added to the original anthromorphosized creation story of Genesis 2. The depiction of Yhwh in the typical storm and warrior god trope of ancient eastern cultures to the extent he was coalesced and conflated with Baal another storm god and El, the cheif god of the canaanite pantheon.

Also the whole relationship between Yhwh and Isreal written in the trope of a typical relationship between a Suzerain and its Vassal as was common in the ancient near east before been used as a trope in the book of fables and contradictions. Lest i forget the adoption of even cultic rituals typical of... you guessed it, other older cultures of ANE, a clear example is YHWH and Abram getting into a convenant and passing over a split calf to sign their pact. Do we forget the adoption of the timeline of ageing like the Sumerian King list and other older ANE cultural tropes following same pattern and as you pointed out the Decalogue and all the fvcking contradictng laws of the Deuteronomistic and preistly schools influenced from the code of Hammurabi, and this is just parts of the Torah, not even gotten to the Nevii'm or Ketuvihm.

Especially the Psalms and wisdom literatures like Job, where more copy, paste, editing, redactions, retconning(especially the polytheistic retcon) and contradictions can be found that its basically a consensus in scholarship that even reputable Christian scholars like Mark smith admit to the influence. Then one empty random on the internet is spouting dross😅, lets not even get into the original authors and psuedepigraphy, or historical contexts or translational ot textual criticism and context. If only they'll spend as much time educating themselves about the context of their book of contradictions as much as they spend defending their god.

Lucifyre:
I've written about the flood on here, its basically a very common ancient near eastern myth/motif that was copied like most Nigerian movies 😅 from myths of older cultures way before the copiers. Lets not even get into the book of Genesis which also copies and adopts common motifs found in other ancient near eastern epics/stories like Enuma Elish, that they had to edit, redact and retcon to make it different with Genesis 1 added to the original anthromorphosized creation story of Genesis 2. The depiction of Yhwh in the typical storm and warrior god trope of ancient eastern cultures to the extent he was coalesced and conflated with Baal another storm god and El, the cheif god of the canaanite pantheon.

Also the whole relationship between Yhwh and Isreal written in the trope of a typical relationship between a Suzerain and its Vassal as was common in the ancient near east before been used as a trope in the book of fables and contradictions. Lest i forget the adoption of even cultic rituals typical of... you guessed it, other older cultures of ANE, a clear example is YHWH and Abram getting into a convenant and passing over a split calf to sign their pact. Do we forget the adoption of the timeline of ageing like the Sumerian King list and other older ANE cultural tropes following same pattern and as you pointed out the Decalogue and all the fvcking contradictng laws of the Deuteronomistic and preistly schools influenced from the code of Hammurabi, and this is just parts of the Torah, not even gotten to the Nevii'm or Ketuvihm.

Especially the Psalms and wisdom literatures like Job, where more copy, paste, editing, redactions, retconning(especially the polytheistic retcon) and contradictions can be found that its basically a consensus in scholarship that even reputable Christian scholars like Mark smith admit to the influence. Then one empty random on the internet is spouting dross😅, lets not even get into the original authors and psuedepigraphy, or historical contexts or translational ot textual criticism and context. If only they'll spend as much time educating themselves about the context of their book of contradictions as much as they spend defending their god.

So you must be the momochiki to his Kaguya😂😂😂.

I hope you do better than him!
I was just bored through out🥱.

Lucifyre:
I've written about the flood on here, its basically a very common ancient near eastern myth/motif that was copied like most Nigerian movies 😅 from myths of older cultures way before the copiers. Lets not even get into the book of Genesis which also copies and adopts common motifs found in other ancient near eastern epics/stories like Enuma Elish, that they had to edit, redact and retcon to make it different with Genesis 1 added to the original anthromorphosized creation story of Genesis 2. The depiction of Yhwh in the typical storm and warrior god trope of ancient eastern cultures to the extent he was coalesced and conflated with Baal another storm god and El, the cheif god of the canaanite pantheon.

Also the whole relationship between Yhwh and Isreal written in the trope of a typical relationship between a Suzerain and its Vassal as was common in the ancient near east before been used as a trope in the book of fables and contradictions. Lest i forget the adoption of even cultic rituals typical of... you guessed it, other older cultures of ANE, a clear example is YHWH and Abram getting into a convenant and passing over a split calf to sign their pact. Do we forget the adoption of the timeline of ageing like the Sumerian King list and other older ANE cultural tropes following same pattern and as you pointed out the Decalogue and all the fvcking contradictng laws of the Deuteronomistic and preistly schools influenced from the code of Hammurabi, and this is just parts of the Torah, not even gotten to the Nevii'm or Ketuvihm.

Especially the Psalms and wisdom literatures like Job, where more copy, paste, editing, redactions, retconning(especially the polytheistic retcon) and contradictions can be found that its basically a consensus in scholarship that even reputable Christian scholars like Mark smith admit to the influence. Then one empty random on the internet is spouting dross😅, lets not even get into the original authors and psuedepigraphy, or historical contexts or translational ot textual criticism and context. If only they'll spend as much time educating themselves about the context of their book of contradictions as much as they spend defending their god.

No one disputes that there are some textual similarities between the two.

As regards the creation story you talked about even in the enuma elish, its depiction suggests a pitiful and rather purposeless life filled with chaos unlike the creation story of the bible where there is structure and purpose as to why God made everything.

The relationship of God as regards Israel is more than a suzerain and vassal relationship.
Very well depicted in the verses of the bible.

Also Yahweh is depicted as a creator of the universe unlike Baal and so called other gods👀 wrestling for eminence.

There are lots of textual similarities but the theme or message of both differ!

Your argument holds no salt.

It only shows they have a common origin or ancestor.
Evident in the fact that they existed in the same region.

What else do you have brother!
You have to refer to the enuma elish🥱

FxMasterz:
Oh oh oh, this your assertion is arrant nonesense. When I brought it here, did I force you too to acknowledge my argument as superior? Can you post the screenshot to prove the forceful acknowledgement?

Were you not the one who was denying that the topic had nothing to do with atheism? What's this forceful acknowledgement now all about?

It's just hilarious remembering that day. How you came here beating your chest like a gorilla because you got a chat bot to admit you're right. 😂

jaephoenix:
Lol. Bro u see that kain thing. And he's claiming that its only me that would talk about it that no other atheist would talk about it. Dude is a cruise

😂 I was trying to remember if he was the one untill I saw him talking about it on this thread. The guy too funny.

kingxsamz:
It's just hilarious remembering that day. How you came here beating your chest like a gorilla because you got a chat bot to admit you're right. 😂

Oh, thank you. I also got a kingxsamz too to admit that I'm right.

FxMasterz:
Oh, thank you. I also got a kingxsamz too to admit that I'm right.

I will prefer to debate mathematicians than these wannabe "Atheists" most of them are not structurally sound.

Filled with false statements.
My brother you have done a great job.

Keep up the good work.
Educating these children is not easy!🤧

I wonder what other ancient historical documents Jae and the likes will bring seeing that their "eluma elish" did nothing to avail them!

Gabrielshow24:
No one disputes that there are some textual similarities between the two.

As regards the creation story you talked about even in the enuma elish, its depiction suggests a pitiful and rather purposeless life filled with chaos unlike the creation story of the bible where there is structure and purpose as to why God made everything.

The relationship of God as regards Israel is more than a suzerain and vassal relationship.
Very well depicted in the verses of the bible.

Also Yahweh is depicted as a creator of the universe unlike Baal and so called other gods👀 wrestling for eminence.

There are lots of textual similarities but the theme or message of both differ!

Your argument holds no salt.

It only shows they have a common origin or ancestor.
Evident in the fact that they existed in the same region.

What else do you have brother!
You have to refer to the enuma elish🥱

Not my fault your attention span's been zapped due to consuming info exclusively through indoctrination. I simply wanted to state and buttress fact, fact backed by academic scholarship. So convincing or having back and forth with someone who participates in a clown show of believing in a text, which himself and others who hold faith in said text can't even seem to agree themselves on anything, while claiming it as the beacon of truth would be a fool's errand 😅. Facts are facts. It's why we enjoy when similarly, flat earthers marinate in their delusion. Its why we don't take the word of supposed "divinely inspired" schizophrenics who hear voices in their head and claim we live in a geocentric modelled universe according to their texts when in fact its the opposite. Facts don't care about belief or mental gymnastics. Thanks for coming to my TED talk 😁

Lucifyre:
Not my fault your attention span's been zapped due to consuming info exclusively through indoctrination. I simply wanted to state and buttress fact, fact backed by academic scholarship. So convincing someone who participates in a clown show of believing in a text, which himself and others who hold faith in said text can't seem to agree themselves on anything, while claiming it as the beacon of truth would be a fool's errand 😅. Facts are facts. It's why we enjoy when similarly, flat earthers marinate in their delusion. Its why we don't take the word of supposed "divinely inspired" schizophrenics who hear voices in their head and claim we live in a geocentric modelled universe according to their texts when in fact its the opposite. Facts don't care about belief or mental gymnastics. Thanks for coming to my TED talk 😁

The same way scientific constants are constants👀

When buttressing your supposed fact you failed to mention the two day creation story of the eluma elish or perhaps the troupe of Marduk among others!

You just brought up some scientific dissertation about textual similarities between both books without exemplifying that the core message of both were different.

Men were created as slaves in the eluma elish unlike the bible!

Keep your biased view to yourself!
If you stated the similarities why not tell the world also the differences.

Just because a Novel is written in the bibliographical style doesn't necessarily mean it's a bibliography!

It just shows they had a common ancestor.

Nothing more nothing less!
👀Tell the people when the sun was created in the eluma elish or perhaps when vegetation came into being!