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jaephoenix: 1. Lol, illiterate. Atrahasis was 18th century while Epic was 2100–1200 BCE. So which is older?
2. You finally shot yourself in the foot. So you finally agreed your bible is wrong by calling it a global flood?
3. The scientific implication is that your flood never happened. Even if it was local, it was impossible for a local flood to float an ark, u dvmbest dvmmy
4. What about tsunamis? What concerns it?

First of all, I posit by bringing up the atrahasis and showing you that there exists even far more correlation between the atrahasis and epic with the same literal style and plot unlike the bible you so claim copied from it!

Are you this daft?
Don't you see even local floods carrying things!
Am not surprised coming from a physician 🤧.

Tsunamis is simple example of a localized flood capable of huge destruction.

Even those that experience floods know the destruction they are capable of!

I don't argue whether it was global or not.
My scientific bias clearly stated categorically from the start that it was mostly localized but the pov of the writer will make it seem as though it happened world wide!
Once again it doesn't negate the fact that in that region there exists notable signs of a regional flood!!!

This is evident in ancient literature!
Your fallacy of ad hominem won't help you!

jaephoenix:
You're just blowing senseless grammar.
I can whip up a god or shdlsvrhek, give it infinite abilities and worship it. Does that mean it exists?

🤧Whether you whip up a god or not; the fact is that you allude to the concept of an infinite being.

What now remains is the modus operandi of your supposed God! 🤷🏾‍♂️

If you are not seeing the fallacy you are committing then you are dumb.

Gabrielshow24:
So far with what have seen your goalpost has changed from God to bible to historical validity of the bible or arguments that you can use to dismiss the bible and as result dismiss God.

But even that is fallacious.
Committing ad hominems here and there attacking the person of God in the form of the book, his word.

But with what; your own logical premise where you take your intellect👀 as the ultimate source of authority thereby leading to circular reasoning.

You whole lot just keep committing these flaws! 🤧

😄

jaephoenix:
If science claim the universe is infinite, how does that translate that it must have a creator?
Btw, must the creator of goats look like goats?
You see how cretarded u r

That's where your foolishness is displaying for all to see!

Why do you think men celebrate innovators?
Or why do you think they give praises and awards?

Are you this daft?
Is it about looking like?
It's about conceptualizing something.
And then bringing it to form!

Hence invariably you allude that God conceptualized the nuances of infinity and by and by has brought to form!

Stop being ignorant!
Are humans shaped like cars?
Or are we shaped like aeroplanes?

But yet they are both products of our ingenious minds!

Stop capping rubbish!!!
An axiom predates proof and it's universally true.

jaephoenix:
Oga I said that the evidence of Jesus existence is debatable. But if he exists, he's not a divine figure
Where is the goalshifting there

I don't have the time to go looking up past posts and then dredge up your exact words.

Irrespective of whatsoever you said.
Your sentiments seem to shift perhaps due to overwhelming evidence that supports the historical validity of Jesus to his divine nature.

I don't think, you're seeing yourself.
Let any sane person look through this thread.
He/she will conclude that in fact you lots have shifted your goal post many times.

The initial sentiments was against the existence of God using your self same scientific principles but when you saw I brought up axioms which by themselves do not have any scientific or mathematical proof but are used to prove all things!

And from there I drew a conclusion that God in the same vein is ultimately a metaphysical axiom that by itself cannot be proved either mathematically or scientifically.

Then you changed and started to attack the person of God in the scriptures to try and invalidate God.

So far you have failed woefully!

jaephoenix:
My own Unicorn does wonders too. He saved me when I accidentally dived from a plane. He put my head back on my shoulder when some crazy Christian decapitated me, and my decapitated head was shouting 'Save me oh Unicorn'. He also miraculously made my 2 year old son a consultant cardiologist without med school or residency.
What a wonderful Unicorn

Dude wtf🤣

jaephoenix:
There is no need to explain. You have already said yhwh magicked them all over the world, adding an element of magic to your explanation. So why didn't he snap his finger, Thanos-esque, and make all the mankind to disappear, instead of making a mess with the flood

That's where your foolishness is eminent!
Did you even consider the logical and religious implications if that were to really occur? 🤷🏾‍♂️


Also God can choose to use whatsoever he deems plausible to pass his judgement along!

And most interaction of God with man, as regards judgement, in most cases has been through physical means!

jaephoenix:
Those gospel books were from Dead Sea Scrolls which are anonymous. They were compiled by Nicean Council under Constantine

This is wrong chief. The dead sea scrolls don't contain any of the canonical gospels, its mainly just the hebrew bible with apocryphal works. Secondly, the gospels were not compiled or even discussed in the Nicean council, a common mistake most people make, they mainly adressed theological stuff like the Arian contoversy and establishment of the divinity of Jesus.

jaephoenix:
Those gospel books were from Dead Sea Scrolls which are anonymous. They were compiled by Nicean Council under Constantine

Even if you manage to dismiss the gospel books you can't dismiss numerous historical accounts that support the existence of Jesus.

Also The Gospel books literature is one that doesn't require self identification.
the entire theme or plot is about God not some historical credence to the writer of the book! And it's one where the source or authenticity of it is already valid or recognized
within the christian world!

sonmvayina:
The gospel are written in the third person and the anonymous writers does not know anybody in the story they are telling. They did not say they believe the story....Hallmark of a fiction.
Tacitus was talking about chrestians ie about a cult of isis and serapis (well which later metamorphosed to Mary and Jesus.) The cult was predominantly Greek as it was created by Ptolemy 1 soter.As for Josephus, everybody knows it is a forgery by Eusebius who was the first to quote from it. So all your sources fall flat.
Justin was writing a response to the Romans who saw the religion as being riddled with lies and ritual. He told them that Jesus is not different from the sons of Jupiter... Hercules and co.

Really, which book predates Nicea? You need to do a research on the church fathers and forgery. They where like table and tennis.

Remember the books where copied by hands. When a certain German invented the printing press, cardinal Worsley (he was mediator between Rome and London during the reformation era ) is on record to have said "if we don't destroy this invention now, this invention will one day destroy us"...you know what that means.
A certain pope (I think pius x ) was heard on an Easter dinner to say "This myth of Christ has been beneficial to us and our predicessors...

Always talking cap without any reputable source or evidence 🤦🏽. Typical of theists as evidenced from this thread.

Gabrielshow24:
Even if you manage to dismiss the gospel books you can't dismiss numerous historical accounts that support the existence of Jesus.

Also The Gospel books literature is one that doesn't require self identification.
the entire theme or plot is about God not some historical credence to the writer of the book! And it's one where the source or authenticity of it is already valid or recognized
within the christian world!

No one is disputing the existence of the historical Jesus except people that absolutely don't know what they're talking about like Somavinya, its basically a consensus as of 80 years ago. What they do dismiss is the mythological elements added to his life which non other of these "numerous historical accounts" (basically cap cause they're literally few) depict, save for the gospels which irreconcilably contradict each other and are explicably historically inaccurate considering the context and timeline of events and thats fact save for apologetic mental gymanastics.

Like the so called census and Herod, when in reality the census occured 10 years after his death. The only things known about the life Jesus are that he was baptized and crucified like a common criminal. The rest is typical mythological unverifiable cap, which if any of all these other worldy events took place(like the zombies in Matthew), the external non theological sources would not fail to mention such once in a lifetime event.

Even most early Christian beliefs did not take to Jesus being divine, as his divinity evolved over time needing the Nicean council to solidify it centuries later. So basicaly cap without any single proof, there's a reason the authenticity is only valid among close minded apologists.

FxMasterz:
I mean the medically impossible cases.

Who are they? What are their conditions? I'll pray for them, and Jesus will heal them.

We are talking about palliative cases here. Folks with end stage kidney disease, metastatic prostate cancer etc. They would be dead in weeks or so.
So do your thing. Pray for them. After praying, we'll run investigations to confirm

jaephoenix:
My own Unicorn does wonders too. He saved me when I accidentally dived from a plane. He put my head back on my shoulder when some crazy Christian decapitated me, and my decapitated head was shouting 'Save me oh Unicorn'. He also miraculously made my 2 year old son a consultant cardiologist without med school or residency.
What a wonderful Unicorn

Praise the almighty Unicorn, our Lord and Saviour. Praise him for his mighty miracles!
What the Unicorn cannot do does not exist!

Gabrielshow24:
First of all, I posit by bringing up the atrahasis and showing you that there exists even far more correlation between the atrahasis and epic with the same literal style and plot unlike the bible you so claim copied from it!

Are you this daft?
Don't you see even local floods carrying things!
Am not surprised coming from a physician 🤧.

Tsunamis is simple example of a localized flood capable of huge destruction.

Even those that experience floods no the destruction they are capable of!

I don't argue whether it was global or not.
My scientific bias clearly stated categorically from the start that it was mostly localized but the pov of the writer will make it seem as though it happened world wide!
Once again it doesn't negate the fact that in that region there exists notable signs of a regional flood!!!

This is evident in ancient literature!
Your of ad hominem won't help you!

Whether local or not, your book clearly says it was GLOBAL and all mankind was wiped off. Local or regional floods don't wipe out mankind. If you are saying that it may be local/regional, then you are second-guessing the creator of the whole world(according to you). I hope u know that is a mortal sin on its own
Yes tsunamis may be local/regional but its never global. I wonder why you brought it here

jaephoenix:
Whether local or not, your book clearly says it was GLOBAL and all mankind was wiped off. Local or regional floods don't wipe out mankind. If you are saying that it may be local/regional, then you are second-guessing the creator of the whole world(according to you). I hope u know that is a mortal sin on its own
Yes tsunamis may be local/regional but its never global. I wonder why you brought it here

Tsunami buttresses my point of it being regional!

And I never disputed the fact that scientific knowledge concludes that it was regional not global.

But I argue that from the perspective of the Noah or whosoever that experienced the event first hand will tell you that it covered the visible surface of the world(horizon to horizon).

Hence it's just a matter or conflict of views!
Which we in this age have to come to see that in fact it's regional than global.

But you failed in anyway to dismiss the authenticity that it occurred.

Gabrielshow24:
But I argue that from the perspective of the Noah or whosoever that experienced the event first hand will tell you that it covered the visible surface of the world(horizon to horizon).

Noah, the 600 year old boat builder. He later cursed his grandson Canaan because his son Ham saw his 600 year old nutsack. I wonder what a 600 year old man looks like naked. I wonder how old Ham was too. Maybe 300 years old?

sonmvayina:
Did you even go to school at all?
Do you know what it means to prove a negative.

If I say there is a cock that lays golden eggs at the bottom of river Niger and you say there is none...you don't have to prove anything. It is me who is making the claim that has to provide the evidence. Same with Jesus. If I say he never existed. Which Prof do you want me to provide? It is you who is saying otherwise that has to prove it...provide evidence from people who actually saw him....I will know I am wrong and buy bear for you....simple..
I can't prove a negative ..the burden of Proof lies with you..

Have you applied this thinking to your Jew venerating nonsensical beliefs.
The Jesus guy says a lot of nonsense in the gospels but is apt a couple of times. One of these times is when the guy says “remove the log from your own eye before removing the beam from someone else’s”

jaephoenix:
We are talking about palliative cases here. Folks with end stage kidney disease, metastatic prostate cancer etc. They would be dead in weeks or so.
So do your thing. Pray for them. After praying, we'll run investigations to confirm

I need to be able to speak to them. They'll hear my prayers and also say "Amen".

How many are they? Can i have their pictures?

Gabrielshow24:
🤧Whether you whip up a god or not; the fact is that you allude to the concept of an infinite being.

What now remains is the modus operandi of your supposed God! 🤷🏾‍♂️

If you are not seeing the fallacy you are committing then you are dumb.

The modus operandi of your own 'Infinite' being is not even agreed upon by Christians and u r here venting. Even the Bible cannot agree upon the said Modus Operandi.
Oga u christians are too clueless and stvpid for me to engage

Gabrielshow24:
That's where your foolishness is displaying for all to see!

Why do you think men celebrate innovators?
Or why do you think they give praises and awards?

Are you this daft?
Is it about looking like?
It's about conceptualizing something.
And then bringing it to form!

Hence invariably you allude that God conceptualized the nuances of infinity and by and by has brought to form!

Stop being ignorant!
Are humans shaped like cars?
Or are we shaped like aeroplanes?

But yet they are both products of our ingenious minds!

Stop capping rubbish!!!
An axiom predates proof and it's universally true.

You made this post…

Simple reasoning confirms that if science claims the "universe" is infinite then whosever/whatsoever that brought about this has infinity has it(infinity) as one of its characteristics

And the post clearly states that an infinite must be created by an infinite god.
So why do you have a problem when I said humans have to look like cars(or at least use 4 wheels) since its our creations
U r severely mentally damaged

Gabrielshow24:
I don't have the time to go looking up past posts and then dredge up your exact words.

Irrespective of whatsoever you said.
Your sentiments seem to shift perhaps due to overwhelming evidence that supports the historical validity of Jesus to his divine nature.

I don't think, you're seeing yourself.
Let any sane person look through this thread.
He/she will conclude that in fact you lots have shifted your goal post many times.

The initial sentiments was against the existence of God using your self same scientific principles but when you saw I brought up axioms which by themselves do not have any scientific or mathematical proof but are used to prove all things!

And from there I drew a conclusion that God in the same vein is ultimately a metaphysical axiom that by itself cannot be proved either mathematically or scientifically.

Then you changed and started to attack the person of God in the scriptures to try and invalidate God.

So far you have failed woefully!

At the bolded. So if it's true then why have you been convulsing here as if your god can be evidenced?
If you can't provide evidence then why should I believe you?
Would you believe me if I tell you sbflcbsv created the whole universe without a shred of evidence?

Lucifyre:
Dude wtf🤣

Desperate times calls for desperate measures

Lucifyre:
Always talking cap without any reputable source or evidence 🤦🏽. Typical of theists as evidenced from this thread.

I can provide evidence for all I have stated there..

Everyone of them...

Gabrielshow24:
That's where your foolishness is eminent!
Did you even consider the logical and religious implications if that were to really occur? 🤷🏾‍♂️


Also God can choose to use whatsoever he deems plausible to pass his judgement along!

And most interaction of God with man, as regards judgement, in most cases has been through physical means!

Oh my Flying Spaghetti Monster!
A theist is talking about the logical and religious implications of the actions of a god? Same god that made donkeys and bushes talk, same god that made a man survive in a whale, same god that made the sun/moon stand still, same god that made a virgin have an baby etc etc
Did you think about such things as logical and religious implications when you read and swallowed all those stories hook, line and sinker?
And in the next paragraph, u now say your god can do whatsoever he likes, completely neutralizing your first paragraph. Thus I was right. He could have just taken the Thanos option and no one would question him.
What do you mean by 'Physical means'? You mean talking directly?

Lucifyre:
This is wrong chief. The dead sea scrolls don't contain any of the canonical gospels, its mainly just the hebrew bible with apocryphal works. Secondly, the gospels were not compiled or even discussed in the Nicean council, a common mistake most people make, they mainly adressed theological stuff like the Arian contoversy and establishment of the divinity of Jesus.

So where is the source of the canons? And who compiled the bible

Gabrielshow24:
Even if you manage to dismiss the gospel books you can't dismiss numerous historical accounts that support the existence of Jesus.

Also The Gospel books literature is one that doesn't require self identification.
the entire theme or plot is about God not some historical credence to the writer of the book! And it's one where the source or authenticity of it is already valid or recognized
within the christian world!

And you ended up saying nothing. Reread through this garbage and tell me what was the summary

MindHacker9009:
True if the guy tells you he has a bicycle and you say he doesn't, then it's for the guy to go and bring the bicycle and the receipt to proof to you that he truly has a bicycle. So it's not left for you to show proof that the guy has a bicycle.

He does not know

And he wants to debate mathematicians....

Make I give am elementary calculus to go keep am busy.

LordReed:
Praise the almighty Unicorn, our Lord and Saviour. Praise him for his mighty miracles!
What the Unicorn cannot do does not exist!

May His Holy Horn be exalted forever. Bless His Holy Hooves. Amin

FxMasterz:
I need to be able to speak to them. They'll hear my prayers and also say "Amen".

How many are they? Can i have their pictures?

There's the small issue of doctor-patient confidentiality. I can't break it unfortunately, or face some lawsuit. And the patients themselves are moribond with low ASA. I would have to get their relatives and that would depend if they have the Power of Attorney to make decisions on their behalf. And of course I can't take their pics, even if they are completely unconscious.
Besides Jesus didn't need to talk directly to his patients before healings. He just sent his word. Also what if a patient is mute or deaf? How can s/he say amen? Lol.
So please send your word. We'll take it up from there

TruthofGod:
Atheism is the most irrational, illogical nonsense. In rejecting the logical reality of God, the atheist has blind faith in a causeless universe where matter, energy, time and space came from literal nothingness. This isn't just blind faith in an unscientific premise, it's belief in magic.

You simply cannot get something from nothing and what's more, atheists think their blind faith in something from nothingness isn't a contradiction. After all, if everything can come from nothingness, then under the "logic" of the atheist, God can come from nothing too. Atheism is self refuting.

However, the theist position isn't to support something from nothingness. Rather, the theist position is that God is eternal and this is in agreement with all the logic of the Prime Mover argument which is backed by scientific principles such as causality. Ultimately there had to be an eternal source at the beginning from which everything else proceeded from. This is simply logic.

Logic agrees with theism, whereas atheism is based on mere fantasising and denial of scientific and logical principles.

So where is the brain dead theist that opened this stupid thread and disappeared? Has the atheistic light blinded him so much that he has succumbed like Paul of Tarsus?

jaephoenix:
The modus operandi of your own 'Infinite' being is not even agreed upon by Christians and u r here venting. Even the Bible cannot agree upon the said Modus Operandi.
Oga u christians are too clueless and stvpid for me to engage

An obvious fallacy that in no way addressed the matter at hand!

MaxInDHouse:
I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Deuteronomy 18:18

Moses was known as the greatest prophet who performed miracles among the Israelites so another prophet like Moses will also perform great signs.

That's why Jesus told the woman that whatever power he has is strictly for the Israelites! Matthew 15:24-26

Is now I know you are a dummy

God was talking to the Israelites in the story.
Not people who will live 3000+ years in the future.
The prophet in question was Joshua...
Why do you always like to take texts out of the context in the story?
You will not learn anything like that.
Leave the text where it is and read the story ...

You have to upgrade this coming year oh...

I am getting tired of educating you...and your block head it not assimilating it...

You have to eat more fruits...