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sonmvayina:
Did you even go to school at all?
Do you know what it means to prove a negative.

If I say there is a cock that lays golden eggs at the bottom of river Niger and you say there is none...you don't have to prove anything. It is me who is making the claim that has to provide the evidence. Same with Jesus. If I say he never existed. Which Prof do you want me to provide? It is you who is saying otherwise that has to prove it...provide evidence from people who actually saw him....I will know I am wrong and buy bear for you....simple..
I can't prove a negative ..the burden of Proof lies with you..

🤦 Don't get it wrong!
You positing Jesus never existed is a baseless statement as I have said earlier.

But you claiming your statement as a fact requires you bring evidence.

I have brought mine so also my fellow christians.

Now it's left to you.
Without any basis to bring forth the SOURCE that makes you believe in such a claim!

And if you can't then you will as well keep shut and we conclude that it's just a foolish thought from a mad man.

And so far, from the course of the argument you have been so incoherent and illogical!

And I state, once again.
Your basis for not believing in God is based on what Fact.

If you can't provide any then it's a nonsensical statement and everyone will kindly ignore you!

Gabrielshow24:
Stop with the lies, Ezra didn't write Torah he only recompiled it!

From your ass abi?

Gabrielshow24:
An obvious fallacy that in no way addressed the matter at hand!

What fallacy is this? Does the bible explain the modus operandi of your god or not?

jaephoenix:
Oh my Flying Spaghetti Monster!
A theist is talking about the logical and religious implications of the actions of a god? Same god that made donkeys and bushes talk, same god that made a man survive in a whale, same god that made the sun/moon stand still, same god that made a virgin have an baby etc etc
Did you think about such things as logical and religious implications when you read and swallowed all those stories hook, line and sinker?
And in the next paragraph, u now say your god can do whatsoever he likes, completely neutralizing your first paragraph. Thus I was right. He could have just taken the Thanos option and no one would question him.
What do you mean by 'Physical means'? You mean talking directly?

You are foolish.
Once upon a time!
Science believed crows couldn't talk but the present believe actually assets that crows along with some certain animals can mimick human voice.

I can't dwell on a partial fact and use our partial fact or knowledge as a full fledge evidence to dismiss the incapabilities of God.

If it's present then it's not impossible.
And again I believe my mathematical standpoint doesn't change and that is.
You have in no way negated the theoretical definition of the concept of God.

You have just shown that what we humans have at now is just partial knowledge not fully comprehensive and deterministic to prove against the existence of God!

jaephoenix:
At the bolded. So if it's true then why have you been convulsing here as if your god can be evidenced?
If you can't provide evidence then why should I believe you?
Would you believe me if I tell you sbflcbsv created the whole universe without a shred of evidence?

You are just perambulating.
I said, and I reiterate except if you and all of your atheists can dismiss the axiomatic foundations of science and mathematics then you can in no wise prove to me that God doesn't exist!

If you don't know the fallacy you are committing.
You are still confirming the "CONCEPT OF GOD" in a bid to appeal to hypocrisy you ended up being an hypocrite.

Whether you call your own God, unicorn or Dragon that's your business.

The main thing is that the concept is there.
Then the second thing which I will tackle is the identity of your so called god!

Lucifyre:
No one is disputing the existence of the historical Jesus except people that absolutely don't know what they're talking about like Somavinya, its basically a consensus as of 80 years ago. What they do dismiss is the mythological elements added to his life which non other of these "numerous historical accounts" (basically cap cause they're literally few) depict, save for the gospels which irreconcilably contradict each other and are explicably historically inaccurate considering the context and timeline of events and thats fact save for apologetic mental gymanastics.

Like the so called census and Herod, when in reality the census occured 10 years after his death. The only things known about the life Jesus are that he was baptized and crucified like a common criminal. The rest is typical mythological unverifiable cap, which if any of all these other worldy events took place(like the zombies in Matthew), the external non theological sources would not fail to mention such once in a lifetime event.

Even most early Christian beliefs did not take to Jesus being divine, as his divinity evolved over time needing the Nicean council to solidify it centuries later. So basicaly cap without any single proof, there's a reason the authenticity is only valid among close minded apologists.

Atleast this is some sensible write up which I will tackle as regards the divinity of Jesus!

jaephoenix:
You made this post…

Simple reasoning confirms that if science claims the "universe" is infinite then whosever/whatsoever that brought about this has infinity has it(infinity) as one of its characteristics

And the post clearly states that an infinite must be created by an infinite god.
So why do you have a problem when I said humans have to look like cars(or at least use 4 wheels) since its our creations
U r severely mentally damaged

🤦An obvious flaw in your thinking.
Humans by the characteristics of movement!
Also most are anthropomorphic.

You have in no way negated the premise. Maybe you can do better and exploit the flaw but until then you haven't done anything!

Gabrielshow24:
You are foolish.
Once upon a time!
Science believed crows couldn't talk but the present believe actually assets that crows along with some certain animals can mimick human voice.

I can't dwell on a partial fact and use our partial fact or knowledge as a full fledge evidence to dismiss the incapabilities of God.

If it's present then it's not impossible.
And again I believe my mathematical standpoint doesn't change and that is.
You have in no way negated the theoretical definition of the concept of God.

You have just shown that what we humans have at now is just partial knowledge not fully comprehensive and deterministic to prove against the existence of God!

Youre an imbecilic lying mooroon
When did science ever tell you crows can't mimic words?
So going by your logic do bushes talk too. Or donkeys?
Idiiotic illiterate!
Why don’t you do a research to prove bushes or plants can talk since its within your god's power? Bastarddic moooroon!
The way to try to twist science and your god together is funny. Science wholeheartedly kicks against religion amd any god concept, but being a harebrained cretard, u try to do it to appear smarter than half
And what evidence made you to arrive at the bolded?

Gabrielshow24:
You are just perambulating.
I said, and I reiterate except if you and all of your atheists can dismiss the axiomatic foundations of science and mathematics then you can in no wise prove to me that God doesn't exist!

If you don't know the fallacy you are committing.
You are still confirming the "CONCEPT OF GOD" in a bid to appeal to hypocrisy you ended up being an hypocrite.

Whether you call your own God, unicorn or Dragon that's your business.

The main thing is that the concept is there.
Then the second thing which I will tackle is the identity of your so called god!

Oga you said science cannot prove your god. All these axiom bullshit is irrelevant
I have told you my God. His name is Flying Spaghetti Monster
Do you have any problem with Him?

Gabrielshow24:
🤦An obvious flaw in your thinking.
Humans by the way of characteristics of movement.
And most are anthropomorphic.

You have in no way negated the premise. Maybe you can do better and exploit the flaw but until then you haven't done anything!

This comment is seriously stvpid. Doesn't make sense. Reread and edit it

Gabrielshow24:
🤦 Don't get it wrong!
You positing Jesus never existed is a baseless statement as I have said earlier.

But you claiming your statement as a fact requires you bring evidence.

I have brought mine so also my fellow christians.

Now it's left to you.
Without any basis to bring forth the SOURCE that makes you believe in such a claim!

And if you can't then you will as well keep shut and we conclude that it's just a foolish thought from a mad man.

And so far, from the course of the argument you have been so incoherent and illogical!

And I state, once again.
Your basis for not believing in God is based on what Fact.

If you can't provide any then it's a nonsensical statement and everyone will kindly ignore you!

His name never appear anywhere in the first century. The time he was taught to have lived.
His name does not come up anywhere , not in correspondence, not in decrees...no where.
Even in second century..and probably third.
What we have was isis and serapis...(IsIS CHREST)

jaephoenix:
There's the small issue of doctor-patient confidentiality. I can't break it unfortunately, or face some lawsuit. And the patients themselves are moribond with low ASA. I would have to get their relatives and that would depend if they have the Power of Attorney to make decisions on their behalf. And of course I can't take their pics, even if they are completely unconscious.
Besides Jesus didn't need to talk directly to his patients before healings. He just sent his word. Also what if a patient is mute or deaf? How can s/he say amen? Lol.
So please send your word. We'll take it up from there

Okay, I fully understand.

Yeah, Jesus sent His word when He found someone who had faith in His word for the suck person. You don't have that faith. I must pray for the person and the person must say Amen. Or I If the person is dumb, I would speak to the dumb spirit through the person's ears. The dumb spirit will obey my command through Jesus' name, and the dumb shall be healed.

If there's a relation who can stand in faith for the sick, I would pray because of that person's faith. That's how Jesus did it. And that's how He taught us. As you have no faith, you're spiritually useless to your patients.

Through phone contact, I can pray with phone held to the person's ears. The person will be healed.

Alternatively, if I am physically present with the sick, I will lay hands on them in Jesus name, and they will be healed.

I'm not praying for them in order to make you believe in God. That's none of my business. I'm praying for them because God loves them and wants to see them healed.

sonmvayina:
I can provide evidence for all I have stated there..

Everyone of them...

Ah yes evidence and 'reputable' sources like Kenneth Humphreys lol! or when you somehow managed to quote a reputable source, its one that contradicts your claim(this is still funny). Humor me please, provide these evidence and sources so we can take you seriously for once, you could start with the ignorant statement you and your fellow theist dispute. "Ezra wrote the Torah" or as the other ignoramus said he recompiled it. Wouldn't bother with the Jesus thing yet cause i already schooled you on that, that you suddenly had selective amnesia. Anyways close mindedness has a way, so shoot, educate me on Ezra wrote the Torah.

jaephoenix:
So where is the source of the canons? And who compiled the bible

Great question. First off, for little context which I'm sure you'd know, there is no 'The Bible' cause different denominations have different canons and books comprising their canons, Hebrew bible 24, Catholic 73, Protestant 66, Orthodox 79, also i think the ethiopian orthodox church has 81(not sure). So its not quite straightforward, then you have, say the general christain bible which splits into 2 with the formation of the old testament canon influenced and sourced from the tanakh which went through its own canonization process and was well established before the new testament canon.

Then you talk about the new testament canon sourced from the gospels, apostolic writings and letters, church traditions etc which underwent canonization after. All these to say it was a gradual, nuanced and very complicated process that spanned centuries basically, different people at different points in time contributed to its formation and it wasn't just simple and instaneous by a few persons. There's even a lot more context and nuance missing from my comment to show the complexity. If you'd like to explore the topic deeply i could recommend reputable sources that would do it justice.

Gabrielshow24:
Atleast this is some sensible write up which I will tackle as regards the divinity of Jesus!

'Tackle' Lol! you don't tackle facts. You only perform mental gymnastics on em which would not make sense to start with. Humor me though, please tackle.

Gabrielshow24:
🤦An obvious flaw in your thinking.
Humans by the way of characteristics of movement.
And most are anthropomorphic.

You have in no way negated the premise. Maybe you can do better and exploit the flaw but until then you haven't done anything!

🤣 Da fuq is this. Wait o, do you even understand the words you use at all.

jaephoenix:
Oga you said science cannot prove your god. All these axiom bullshit is irrelevant
I have told you my God. His name is Flying Spaghetti Monster
Do you have any problem with Him?

This dude barely understands what he himself is talking about. Just dressed the typical nonsense god of the gaps argument by theists in gibberish and coated it with axioms forgetting axioms are self evident in the first place. Just making noise using words he barely understands under contexts that don't apply. Very funny.

Lucifyre:
Ah yes evidence and 'reputable' sources like Kenneth Humphreys lol! or when you somehow managed to quote a reputable source, its one that contradicts your claim(this is still funny). Humor me please, provide these evidence and sources so we can take you seriously for once, you could start with the ignorant statement you and your fellow theist dispute. "Ezra wrote the Torah" or as the other ignoramus said he recompiled it. Wouldn't bother with the Jesus thing yet cause i already schooled you on that, that you suddenly had selective amnesia. Anyways close mindedness has a way, so shoot, educate me on Ezra wrote the Torah.

You are not worth my time...

Run along now
You little retard..

Lucifyre:
🤣 Da fuq is this. Wait o, do you even understand the words you use at all.

LMAO! He thinks writing discombobulated grammar makes him sound intelligent.

FxMasterz:
Okay, I fully understand.

Yeah, Jesus sent His word when He found someone who had faith in His word for the suck person. You don't have that faith. I must pray for the person and the person must say Amen. Or I If the person is dumb, I would speak to the dumb spirit through the person's ears. The dumb spirit will obey my command through Jesus' name, and the dumb shall be healed.

If there's a relation who can stand in faith for the sick, I would pray because of that person's faith. That's how Jesus did it. And that's how He taught us. As you have no faith, you're spiritually useless to your patients.

Through phone contact, I can pray with phone held to the person's ears. The person will be healed.

Alternatively, if I am physically present with the sick, I will lay hands on them in Jesus name, and they will be healed.

I'm not praying for them in order to make you believe in God. That's none of my business. I'm praying for them because God loves them and wants to see them healed.

I love the last option. We can make it work
My hospital is at Isolo, Lagos. I can pay your trans but this is Nigeria…. So pay your trans coming and I'll pay your return. I'll get some camera guys to cover the event and post it on Nairaland and other social media outlets. A miracle backed and attested by a physician carries marry impact, especially for the skeptics.
So its a win win situation for all parties: You prove your god is alive and a miracle working bro to me and every other atheist here on Nairaland, my patients are healed and they could attract more patients for the hospital, thus more money. Everyone is happy
DEAL?

sonmvayina:
Is now I know you are a dummy
God was talking to the Israelites in the story.
Not people who will live 3000+ years in the future. The prophet in question was Joshua...
Why do you always like to take texts out of the context in the story? You will not learn anything like that. Leave the text where it is and read the story ... You have to upgrade this coming year oh... I am getting tired of educating you...and your block head it not assimilating it... You have to eat more fruits...

As your Jewish landlord taught you nah but i am quoting from the same book: Bible!

God spoke to the Israelites through Moses and Peter later told the Israelites that the prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus of Nazareth! Deuteronomy 18:18; Act 3:22

So you're the one who needs to upgrade your whatever that Jewish man told you because it's found written in all Bibles throughout the world!

jaephoenix:
I love the last option. We can make it work
My hospital is at Isolo, Lagos. I can pay your trans but this is Nigeria…. So pay your trans coming and I'll pay your return. I'll get some camera guys to cover the event and post it on Nairaland and other social media outlets. A miracle backed and attested by a physician carries marry impact, especially for the skeptics.
So its a win win situation for all parties: You prove your god is alive and a miracle working bro to me and every other atheist here on Nairaland, my patients are healed and they could attract more patients for the hospital, thus more money. Everyone is happy
DEAL?

My itinerary wouldn't take me to Lagos at the moment. Maybe we can schedule that for a future date.

What's the name of your hospital?

MaxInDHouse:
I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him. Deuteronomy 18:18

Moses was known as the greatest prophet who performed miracles among the Israelites so another prophet like Moses will also perform great signs.

That's why Jesus told the woman that whatever power he has is strictly for the Israelites! Matthew 15:24-26

And who is this prophet that is referred to in Deuteronomy 18:18?
If you say Jesus Christ, then is Jesus a prophet or the son of God?

MindHacker9009:
And who is this prophet that is referred to in Deuteronomy 18:18?
If you say Jesus Christ, then is Jesus a prophet or the son of God?

Jesus has many TITLES:
Prophet is one of his titles! Luke 24:19

Lucifyre:
Great question. First off, for little context which I'm sure you'd know, there is no 'The Bible' cause different denominations have different canons and books comprising their canons, Hebrew bible 24, Catholic 73, Protestant 66, Orthodox 79, also i think the ethiopian orthodox church has 81(not sure). So its not quite straightforward, then you have, say the general christain bible which splits into 2 with the formation of the old testament canon influenced and sourced from the tanakh which went through its own canonization process and was well established before the new testament canon.

Then you talk about the new testament canon sourced from the gospels, apostolic writings and letters, church traditions etc which underwent canonization after. All these to say it was a gradual, nuanced and very complicated process that spanned centuries basically, different people at different points in time contributed to its formation and it wasn't just simple and instaneous by a few persons. There's even a lot more context and nuance missing from my comment to show the complexity. If you'd like to explore the topic deeply i could recommend reputable sources that would do it justice.

I knw most of this data. But where is your source
You also forgot MadMax's crew, the JWs. They have a new-fangled version of the babble.?
A right old mess

Lucifyre:
'Tackle' Lol! you don't tackle facts. You only perform mental gymnastics on em which would not make sense to start with. Humor me though, please tackle.

Dude is as daft as they come. He leaves the substance of an argument, goes after the shadow and paints that shadow with a glaze of grammar

FxMasterz:
My itinerary wouldn't take me to Lagos at the moment. Maybe we can schedule that for a future date.

What's the name of your hospital?

Oh no, I can't divulge that on a public forum. Whenever you want us to meet, or u decide your god has given you any powers, reach me on a dm.
This your tactic of deferring meet is exactly what your fellow christians do when I invite them. The last one before you told me in March that he'll reach me in May/June. We are in December

jaephoenix:
Oh no, I can't divulge that on a public forum. Whenever you want us to meet, or u decide your god has given you any powers, reach me on a dm.
This your tactic of deferring meet is exactly what your fellow christians do when I invite them. The last one before you told me in March that he'll reach me in May/June. We are in December

You need to remind him. People are busy and may forget.

Also, understand that we are very busy people and cannot just be anywhere at a moment's notice.

If you have anyone who can stand in faith for the sick, connect me with such an one or we have a schedule. December and January are always very busy months for people like us.

FxMasterz:
You need to remind him. People are busy and may forget.

Also, understand that we are very busy people and cannot just be anywhere at a moment's notice.

If you have anyone who can stand in faith for the sick, connect me with such an one or we have a schedule. December and January are always very busy months for people like us.

Are you saying he didn't see the dm I sent him?
Anyways, can't you send me a prayer note to transfer to them? I know Jesus healed folks like that in the bible. Even unbelievers get healed

jaephoenix:
Are you saying he didn't see the dm I sent him?
Anyways, can't you send me a prayer note to transfer to them? I know Jesus healed folks like that in the bible. Even unbelievers get healed

You didn't tell me you sent him dm.

Yes, I can send prayer notes but you cannot be the handler.

Jesus never sent prayers through unbelievers and faithless people.

That's why I said if you find a relation of the sick that can stand in faith for them, then we're good to go.

Both the relation and the sick must consent to be prayed for and must believe that Jesus can intervene in the body of the sick.

Again, I'm not praying for them to make you believe in God. That's none of my business. I'm praying for them to make them know that God loves them and wants the sick healed.

MaxInDHouse:
As your Jewish landlord taught you nah but i am quoting from the same book: Bible!

God spoke to the Israelites through Moses and Peter later told the Israelites that the prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus of Nazareth! Deuteronomy 18:18; Act 3:22

So you're the one who needs to upgrade your whatever that Jewish man told you because it's found written in all Bibles throughout the world!

If you had sense, you should have known that whoever wrote that book of acts was obviously lying...
The same person who said Angels was at Jesus ascension and conversing with people...and recorded two stories about Paul's conversion...

You are not learning at all....if you leave JW heaven will not fall, stop swallowing every shit they put in your mouth...

Learn it independently...

sonmvayina:
If you had sense, you should have known that whoever wrote that book of acts was obviously lying... The same person who said Angels was at Jesus ascension and conversing with people...and recorded two stories about Paul's conversion... You are not learning at all....if you leave JW heaven will not fall, stop swallowing every shit they put in your mouth...
Learn it independently...

So your sense doesn't tell you that this is not about JW but the Bible that thousands of sects are using?