₦airaland Forum

sonmvayina:
The truth is that most pastors don't even believe in the bull crap they tell their members..
They are only interested in their offering bowl and tithe..

prophetfire:
➜ Unfortunately you are replying out of context and contradicting yourself.
The issue is his statement that it's Easterners that do like that. I told him that it's more of westerners approach to Christianity as the church in question is a western church and that Easterners aren't into it as much as westerners. You now said that he's right, meaning that his assertion about Easterners as opposed to westerners is right.
➜And then you turned around again to say that it's all ethnicities that are prone to that, which is contrary to his assertion that it's only Easterners. Where do you stand? Supporting what he said and at the same time saying it's all ethnicities that are into it is contradicting yourself.

Goodlyhrt:
A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.
Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

Goodlyhrt:
A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.
Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

sonmvayina:
How come they don't attack wealthy people?

Religion is our greatest undoing..

The day we give Jesus and Allah back to the people that brought it to us...that day will be the begining of our salvation..
Let us first be marking time...

Image123:
i don't remember mentioning any attack, stick to my point.

Image123:
Angels and devils are spirits, they didn't promise video evidence.

LordReed:
Who cares what they promise. The fact remains they have not been captured on video or in photos.

Goodlyhrt:
My parents tried to raise us in the way that most Christian homes would go.. In the way of the Lord! And all the associated activities of going to Church all Sundays, ignoring all other associations as they are perceived as being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Adhering to all doctrines of the church no questions.

I was raised in this type of environment. In short my parents were staunch members of the Deeper Life Christian Ministries (DLCM) and all my formative years where under the doctrines and teachings of the church.

My parents and the Church taught me to put all my hope in the Lord in all situations and never to complain much because God will make a way even at the dieing minutes.

So I grew up weary of my non church going environment. I wouldn't find myself being a social animal that I am working aggressively hard on becoming nowadays.
The truth is that many Africans are not trust worthy when it comes to business. In fact some will kill the owner of the capital trusted on them the moment there is significant growth of the business. Unfortunately the most guilty of this criminality are the lower and middle class people. Greed is the order here

So I made church friends, and went to church gatherings, church schools right until my secondary school days.

But there is a catch.

I watched my family falter and we lost everything we had. My father went down with diabetes around 2008 and nobody to help. He lost his carpentry workshop and showroom.. almost lost his life to the disease.

The Church, my church DLCM couldn't offer us good help because they too were individually waiting on the Lord too. So they offered us help but meager.

But that was the only gathering we knew and are aquatinted with.

No Umunna membership, ordinary friends gathering or in another word Friends club. Even market association, my parents never belonged to any of those.

We solely waited on the Lord and around 2011, my dad's diabetes was somehow controlled. Thanks to my Uncle in the village who came to our rescue by using herbs and leaves to help my dad. But not without enough convincing and lobbying from my uncle because my parents saw the help as being fetish of some sort.

In fact at that time we were not in talking terms with the said uncle because of his native practices. But at the end of the day he came to our rescue through the herbs he gave to my dad.

What I am saying is that my parents lifestyle of being too churchy in the way the raised us has been net detrimental in my life as a grown man and to my siblings too.

Talking about me. I didn't finish my education due to my dad's health and the fact that there's no one that could help me who my dad is aquainted with. My social skills is zero until recently. I didn't know how to deal with anybody outside talking about church related stuff and academic stuff I was lost.

So I am on this situation all thanks to my parents way of life of being too judgemental of everything not church related.

In short right now I don't how to keep a healthy relationship - you know calling to check up on someone, buying gifts, attending birthdays and all those stuffs that make knowing people interesting. I am just trying to pick these stuffs up from the street now.


And it hasn't helped in any way.

I think it has brought untold hardship to our lives in the sense that we suffer alone with no one to help. Not uncle's, not friends because we hardly make friends. In those days I wondered why no one visits my parents at home while all our neighbors hosted visitors almost all day especially on Sundays. Unless we are hosting Bible study session.

The simple truth is that no one should exist alone in this plane Earth. We were never built to survive alone and my parents and the church were all wrong.

So I stopped going to church totally. I hated my life how it has turned out and wish I could've made my own decisions earlier in life.

Of a truth I started dodging church activities very early in my teen years but I met stiff rebuttal from my dad. You know the "if I don't see you in church blah blah blah no school fees for you blah blah blah".

Because I started noticing something was off.

They said God answered prayers but I couldn't get answers to mine. I could remember one time in the DLCM camp ground. I prayed earnestly to be healed of my deformity, seeing that others got theirs and I was moved and cried sore for God to heal me. Even made promises to God if he proves his faithfulness. But it seemed the blessings from pastor Kumuyi would never get to me.

I was depressed and got angered.

Starting from then, my prayer life took a dive. Interest in the things of the church tanked.

Also my dad's ill fortune and how we suffered to eat most times during that time, made me question God and doubtful in everything.

In conclusion. We are never going to survive alone as species. We all need US in our lives.

I have started opening up to non church related associations lately. I even joined another church howbeit a modern church if you know what I mean. But now, I joined the church with a purpose. Not because I like going there but because I needed the connections there.

In the Bible it says that we should worship God with understanding but most non-orthodox denominations don't understand a thing.

My message to everyone.

Go out there and be aquainted with your fellow humans. Don't listen to religion and its backwater ideologies because we can't survive alone.

Join a political party, know some force men and become friends. Go to events with the sole aim of meeting new people.

Attend seminars and be active in the society.

A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.

Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

I want to add this.

I learnt this from a pastor.

He said that the reason why Africa is suffering and is in great poverty is because we don't have more partnership businesses.

People have really nice business ideas but no one to sponsor them because African people are not inclined to form partnership so they don't know how to handle it.

In Europe or "the West", many people live off their investment in numerous business partnerships. No matter how little the business they invest in it and get it working good and then get ROI. Even when they are not actively employed or run their own personal business. But they are getting ROI from the investment in other people's businesses.

I think this is true though.

Sorry for the long read.

otipoju:
The man that was born by a woman as a result if sexual intercourse between a man and another woman is the one who is in the skies.

Who told you that God lives in the skies.

I've flown thousand of miles across four continents many of those flights were above the clouds...I'm was never expecting to run across God in the skies. Especially when I know that earth is just one tiny fraction of the multi universes.

I think your idea of God is shallow and ypu were closed .inded from the beginning that is why you found it hard to make friends in the beginning.

The bible encourages us to relate with others and while sticking to principles and tenets that glorify his name.

Well sha you be deeper life you grow up. So I no blame you.

Even the streets k ow well not to put all your trust in friends...you don't need bible to tell you that one.

Goodlyhrt:
My parents tried to raise us in the way that most Christian homes would go.. In the way of the Lord! And all the associated activities of going to Church all Sundays, ignoring all other associations as they are perceived as being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Adhering to all doctrines of the church no questions.

I was raised in this type of environment. In short my parents were staunch members of the Deeper Life Christian Ministries (DLCM) and all my formative years where under the doctrines and teachings of the church.

My parents and the Church taught me to put all my hope in the Lord in all situations and never to complain much because God will make a way even at the dieing minutes.

So I grew up weary of my non church going environment. I wouldn't find myself being a social animal that I am working aggressively hard on becoming nowadays.

So I made church friends, and went to church gatherings, church schools right until my secondary school days.

But there is a catch.

I watched my family falter and we lost everything we had. My father went down with diabetes around 2008 and nobody to help. He lost his carpentry workshop and showroom.. almost lost his life to the disease.

The Church, my church DLCM couldn't offer us good help because they too were individually waiting on the Lord too. So they offered us help but meager.

But that was the only gathering we knew and are aquatinted with.

No Umunna membership, ordinary friends gathering or in another word Friends club. Even market association, my parents never belonged to any of those.

We solely waited on the Lord and around 2011, my dad's diabetes was somehow controlled. Thanks to my Uncle in the village who came to our rescue by using herbs and leaves to help my dad. But not without enough convincing and lobbying from my uncle because my parents saw the help as being fetish of some sort.

In fact at that time we were not in talking terms with the said uncle because of his native practices. But at the end of the day he came to our rescue through the herbs he gave to my dad.

What I am saying is that my parents lifestyle of being too churchy in the way the raised us has been net detrimental in my life as a grown man and to my siblings too.

Talking about me. I didn't finish my education due to my dad's health and the fact that there's no one that could help me who my dad is aquainted with. My social skills is zero until recently. I didn't know how to deal with anybody outside talking about church related stuff and academic stuff I was lost.

So I am on this situation all thanks to my parents way of life of being too judgemental of everything not church related.

In short right now I don't how to keep a healthy relationship - you know calling to check up on someone, buying gifts, attending birthdays and all those stuffs that make knowing people interesting. I am just trying to pick these stuffs up from the street now.


And it hasn't helped in any way.

I think it has brought untold hardship to our lives in the sense that we suffer alone with no one to help. Not uncle's, not friends because we hardly make friends. In those days I wondered why no one visits my parents at home while all our neighbors hosted visitors almost all day especially on Sundays. Unless we are hosting Bible study session.

The simple truth is that no one should exist alone in this plane Earth. We were never built to survive alone and my parents and the church were all wrong.

So I stopped going to church totally. I hated my life how it has turned out and wish I could've made my own decisions earlier in life.

Of a truth I started dodging church activities very early in my teen years but I met stiff rebuttal from my dad. You know the "if I don't see you in church blah blah blah no school fees for you blah blah blah".

Because I started noticing something was off.

They said God answered prayers but I couldn't get answers to mine. I could remember one time in the DLCM camp ground. I prayed earnestly to be healed of my deformity, seeing that others got theirs and I was moved and cried sore for God to heal me. Even made promises to God if he proves his faithfulness. But it seemed the blessings from pastor Kumuyi would never get to me.

I was depressed and got angered.

Starting from then, my prayer life took a dive. Interest in the things of the church tanked.

Also my dad's ill fortune and how we suffered to eat most times during that time, made me question God and doubtful in everything.

In conclusion. We are never going to survive alone as species. We all need US in our lives.

I have started opening up to non church related associations lately. I even joined another church howbeit a modern church if you know what I mean. But now, I joined the church with a purpose. Not because I like going there but because I needed the connections there.

In the Bible it says that we should worship God with understanding but most non-orthodox denominations don't understand a thing.

My message to everyone.

Go out there and be aquainted with your fellow humans. Don't listen to religion and its backwater ideologies because we can't survive alone.

Join a political party, know some force men and become friends. Go to events with the sole aim of meeting new people.

Attend seminars and be active in the society.

A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.

Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

I want to add this.

I learnt this from a pastor.

He said that the reason why Africa is suffering and is in great poverty is because we don't have more partnership businesses.

People have really nice business ideas but no one to sponsor them because African people are not inclined to form partnership so they don't know how to handle it.

In Europe or "the West", many people live off their investment in numerous business partnerships. No matter how little the business they invest in it and get it working good and then get ROI. Even when they are not actively employed or run their own personal business. But they are getting ROI from the investment in other people's businesses.

I think this is true though.

Sorry for the long read.

Goodlyhrt:
My parents tried to raise us in the way that most Christian homes would go.. In the way of the Lord! And all the associated activities of going to Church all Sundays, ignoring all other associations as they are perceived as being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Adhering to all doctrines of the church no questions.

I was raised in this type of environment. In short my parents were staunch members of the Deeper Life Christian Ministries (DLCM) and all my formative years where under the doctrines and teachings of the church.

My parents and the Church taught me to put all my hope in the Lord in all situations and never to complain much because God will make a way even at the dieing minutes.

So I grew up weary of my non church going environment. I wouldn't find myself being a social animal that I am working aggressively hard on becoming nowadays.

So I made church friends, and went to church gatherings, church schools right until my secondary school days.

But there is a catch.

I watched my family falter and we lost everything we had. My father went down with diabetes around 2008 and nobody to help. He lost his carpentry workshop and showroom.. almost lost his life to the disease.

The Church, my church DLCM couldn't offer us good help because they too were individually waiting on the Lord too. So they offered us help but meager.

But that was the only gathering we knew and are aquatinted with.

No Umunna membership, ordinary friends gathering or in another word Friends club. Even market association, my parents never belonged to any of those.

We solely waited on the Lord and around 2011, my dad's diabetes was somehow controlled. Thanks to my Uncle in the village who came to our rescue by using herbs and leaves to help my dad. But not without enough convincing and lobbying from my uncle because my parents saw the help as being fetish of some sort.

In fact at that time we were not in talking terms with the said uncle because of his native practices. But at the end of the day he came to our rescue through the herbs he gave to my dad.

What I am saying is that my parents lifestyle of being too churchy in the way the raised us has been net detrimental in my life as a grown man and to my siblings too.

Talking about me. I didn't finish my education due to my dad's health and the fact that there's no one that could help me who my dad is aquainted with. My social skills is zero until recently. I didn't know how to deal with anybody outside talking about church related stuff and academic stuff I was lost.

So I am on this situation all thanks to my parents way of life of being too judgemental of everything not church related.

In short right now I don't how to keep a healthy relationship - you know calling to check up on someone, buying gifts, attending birthdays and all those stuffs that make knowing people interesting. I am just trying to pick these stuffs up from the street now.


And it hasn't helped in any way.

I think it has brought untold hardship to our lives in the sense that we suffer alone with no one to help. Not uncle's, not friends because we hardly make friends. In those days I wondered why no one visits my parents at home while all our neighbors hosted visitors almost all day especially on Sundays. Unless we are hosting Bible study session.

The simple truth is that no one should exist alone in this plane Earth. We were never built to survive alone and my parents and the church were all wrong.

So I stopped going to church totally. I hated my life how it has turned out and wish I could've made my own decisions earlier in life.

Of a truth I started dodging church activities very early in my teen years but I met stiff rebuttal from my dad. You know the "if I don't see you in church blah blah blah no school fees for you blah blah blah".

Because I started noticing something was off.

They said God answered prayers but I couldn't get answers to mine. I could remember one time in the DLCM camp ground. I prayed earnestly to be healed of my deformity, seeing that others got theirs and I was moved and cried sore for God to heal me. Even made promises to God if he proves his faithfulness. But it seemed the blessings from pastor Kumuyi would never get to me.

I was depressed and got angered.

Starting from then, my prayer life took a dive. Interest in the things of the church tanked.

Also my dad's ill fortune and how we suffered to eat most times during that time, made me question God and doubtful in everything.

In conclusion. We are never going to survive alone as species. We all need US in our lives.

I have started opening up to non church related associations lately. I even joined another church howbeit a modern church if you know what I mean. But now, I joined the church with a purpose. Not because I like going there but because I needed the connections there.

In the Bible it says that we should worship God with understanding but most non-orthodox denominations don't understand a thing.

My message to everyone.

Go out there and be aquainted with your fellow humans. Don't listen to religion and its backwater ideologies because we can't survive alone.

Join a political party, know some force men and become friends. Go to events with the sole aim of meeting new people.

Attend seminars and be active in the society.

A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.

Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

I want to add this.

I learnt this from a pastor.

He said that the reason why Africa is suffering and is in great poverty is because we don't have more partnership businesses.

People have really nice business ideas but no one to sponsor them because African people are not inclined to form partnership so they don't know how to handle it.

In Europe or "the West", many people live off their investment in numerous business partnerships. No matter how little the business they invest in it and get it working good and then get ROI. Even when they are not actively employed or run their own personal business. But they are getting ROI from the investment in other people's businesses.

I think this is true though.

Sorry for the long read.

Love800:
Forget all you wrote here. Church is worth noting! Read your bible and go to church for connections and socializing for your business.

Church na acting!

Goodlyhrt:
My parents tried to raise us in the way that most Christian homes would go.. In the way of the Lord! And all the associated activities of going to Church all Sundays, ignoring all other associations as they are perceived as being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Adhering to all doctrines of the church no questions.

I was raised in this type of environment. In short my parents were staunch members of the Deeper Life Christian Ministries (DLCM) and all my formative years where under the doctrines and teachings of the church.

My parents and the Church taught me to put all my hope in the Lord in all situations and never to complain much because God will make a way even at the dieing minutes.

So I grew up weary of my non church going environment. I wouldn't find myself being a social animal that I am working aggressively hard on becoming nowadays.

So I made church friends, and went to church gatherings, church schools right until my secondary school days.

But there is a catch.

I watched my family falter and we lost everything we had. My father went down with diabetes around 2008 and nobody to help. He lost his carpentry workshop and showroom.. almost lost his life to the disease.

The Church, my church DLCM couldn't offer us good help because they too were individually waiting on the Lord too. So they offered us help but meager.

But that was the only gathering we knew and are aquatinted with.

No Umunna membership, ordinary friends gathering or in another word Friends club. Even market association, my parents never belonged to any of those.

We solely waited on the Lord and around 2011, my dad's diabetes was somehow controlled. Thanks to my Uncle in the village who came to our rescue by using herbs and leaves to help my dad. But not without enough convincing and lobbying from my uncle because my parents saw the help as being fetish of some sort.

In fact at that time we were not in talking terms with the said uncle because of his native practices. But at the end of the day he came to our rescue through the herbs he gave to my dad.

What I am saying is that my parents lifestyle of being too churchy in the way the raised us has been net detrimental in my life as a grown man and to my siblings too.

Talking about me. I didn't finish my education due to my dad's health and the fact that there's no one that could help me who my dad is aquainted with. My social skills is zero until recently. I didn't know how to deal with anybody outside talking about church related stuff and academic stuff I was lost.

So I am on this situation all thanks to my parents way of life of being too judgemental of everything not church related.

In short right now I don't how to keep a healthy relationship - you know calling to check up on someone, buying gifts, attending birthdays and all those stuffs that make knowing people interesting. I am just trying to pick these stuffs up from the street now.


And it hasn't helped in any way.

I think it has brought untold hardship to our lives in the sense that we suffer alone with no one to help. Not uncle's, not friends because we hardly make friends. In those days I wondered why no one visits my parents at home while all our neighbors hosted visitors almost all day especially on Sundays. Unless we are hosting Bible study session.

The simple truth is that no one should exist alone in this plane Earth. We were never built to survive alone and my parents and the church were all wrong.

So I stopped going to church totally. I hated my life how it has turned out and wish I could've made my own decisions earlier in life.

Of a truth I started dodging church activities very early in my teen years but I met stiff rebuttal from my dad. You know the "if I don't see you in church blah blah blah no school fees for you blah blah blah".

Because I started noticing something was off.

They said God answered prayers but I couldn't get answers to mine. I could remember one time in the DLCM camp ground. I prayed earnestly to be healed of my deformity, seeing that others got theirs and I was moved and cried sore for God to heal me. Even made promises to God if he proves his faithfulness. But it seemed the blessings from pastor Kumuyi would never get to me.

I was depressed and got angered.

Starting from then, my prayer life took a dive. Interest in the things of the church tanked.

Also my dad's ill fortune and how we suffered to eat most times during that time, made me question God and doubtful in everything.

In conclusion. We are never going to survive alone as species. We all need US in our lives.

I have started opening up to non church related associations lately. I even joined another church howbeit a modern church if you know what I mean. But now, I joined the church with a purpose. Not because I like going there but because I needed the connections there.

In the Bible it says that we should worship God with understanding but most non-orthodox denominations don't understand a thing.

My message to everyone.

Go out there and be aquainted with your fellow humans. Don't listen to religion and its backwater ideologies because we can't survive alone.

Join a political party, know some force men and become friends. Go to events with the sole aim of meeting new people.

Attend seminars and be active in the society.

A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.

Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

I want to add this.

I learnt this from a pastor.

He said that the reason why Africa is suffering and is in great poverty is because we don't have more partnership businesses.

People have really nice business ideas but no one to sponsor them because African people are not inclined to form partnership so they don't know how to handle it.

In Europe or "the West", many people live off their investment in numerous business partnerships. No matter how little the business they invest in it and get it working good and then get ROI. Even when they are not actively employed or run their own personal business. But they are getting ROI from the investment in other people's businesses.

I think this is true though.

Sorry for the long read.

Sp1ritHusband:
It is man-made 100% for the sole purpose of control and it has worked well in Africa.

Men like you and me wrote the Bible and Quoran for control as well. All the GO/GO/Imams and alfas are men like you and me, no big deal and nothing special about them, If you must go to churches, attend solely to improve your social life and nothing more.

Abrahamic religion is a form of mental bondage and colonization in a form I have never seen before and everything you know today is as a result of the repetitive indoctrination that you have absorbed from your environment, from childhood till now, and nothing more. Your family, the church or mosque, school, people around you .

Why do you think DLCM has multiple programs during the week? It is for the sole purpose of repetitive generational indoctrination. As a fact, most of the GO/Gs/s are having so much fun on earth here that they do not want to go to "heaven". The indoctrination is the same in the old soviet union and the Islamic religion.

Love800:
Church is good for creating good behaviours and moral characters in the mind of people. But believing praying in the church will make you rich is a fool's dream. You better go out there and get job plus life saving skills and sense.

In summary, go to church for connections and social networking for your business. Church is just a script(movie). The actors are your pastors, ministers, Genreral overseers, evangelist, etc...

femi4:
Unfortunately, you went to the wrong church. Until Christians can study on their own, they won't be chasing shadows and be disappointed.

Jesus promised you salvation not earthly riches, if you want to make money, go to school or lean some skills

Image123:
And humans have not been captured flying like birds on videos, they were not created to.

otipoju:
I am not surprised though...this is giving me a confirmation of the mindset of the Pentecostal fellowshipping mindset. That is where you guys learn to kiss asses and will be calling your pastors wey you senior " Daddy". Funny people.

I am a Celestian. I do not go to church for connections and socializing.We have an order of service that from the beginning to the end is focused on worshipping God.

It is sacrilegious for me to say I am going to Church to get human connections. It goes against every thing we are taught.

Yes !!! we do make friends and support each other as brethren in Christ. But we are taught not to rely on anyone. We even " mercy " collection that we donate to strictly for helping strangers every sunday.

but till the day I die I will never relate to any human being based on what the person has to offer me. It is the height of freedom and brings a peace that surpasses all understanding.

Every achievement I have had in this life, the God I serve has raised up total strangers to help me without even bothering to take credit. God uses human vessels to help.

I play my part by adding so much value to myself that ANY business will want me on their team...unless you k ow see my resume and I no open my mouth.

My help comes from the Lord. Shalom.

LordReed:
No where in your Bible does it say anyone witnessed humans flying like birds so that's not a point. Meanwhile, several people were said to have seen angels, talked with angels, eating with angels, eaten food cooked by angels, etc. Which all implies physical contact theatre could be documented by picture or video. And it remains that not a single angel or demon has been captured on either medium.

otipoju:
I understand what you are saying....nevertheless I will tell you the only ground worth standing on is God.

All other grounds is sinking sand.

Nigeria is not working because we have endemic corruption from top to bottom.

Europe and America works for business because of access to credit. As long as your credit score is good, you will have banks and other financial institutions to lend you money.

If your worship of God is based solely on what you can get from him then you have not started. Paul was not healed of his deformity, yet he loved God. Moses, David, Joseph ,Stephen even Jesus Christ all faced debilitating trials, yet they did not abandon God.

The key to being relevant in this world is to add value to yourself continually. Make money , save for rainy days and plan for your children's future and enjoy yourself with your family.

But placing your trust in fellow human beings will bring you more misery long term wether in church or socially.

I have friends everywhere but still keep my circle very very very small.

otipoju:
I read my Bible and this is what it tells me

Psalm 146:3-7

3 Do not put your trust in princes,
in human beings, who cannot save.
4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
on that very day their plans come to nothing.
5 Blessed are those whose help is the God of Jacob,
whose hope is in the Lord their God.

6 He is the Maker of heaven and earth,
the sea, and everything in them—
he remains faithful forever.
7 He upholds the cause of the oppressed
and gives food to the hungry.

Goodlyhrt:
This is my last reply to you dear sir.

I don't believe in your biblical God anymore as believing in that fable has caused Africa a great deal, backwardness and poverty to mention a few.

I now believe through evidence that there is no God in the sky or anywhere who can influence man but man himself who can influence himself to do good or not. Humanity/man is the God we think in our head and has all the power to influence and not some spiritual all father.

OriOko88:
You said believing in God has caused Africa a great deal. In wat way?? What about Europeans who believe in God and they prosper. They even introduced religion to the Americas,and those one still prosper. E.g USA and Brazil. So what's ur blame about God caused Africa a great deal? U not wise

Goodlyhrt:
Wise men built America. They used religion as a tool and a great tool indeed. We failed to copy their template and swallowed religion Hook line and sinker.

Goodlyhrt:
My parents tried to raise us in the way that most Christian homes would go.. In the way of the Lord! And all the associated activities of going to Church all Sundays, ignoring all other associations as they are perceived as being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Adhering to all doctrines of the church no questions.

I was raised in this type of environment. In short my parents were staunch members of the Deeper Life Christian Ministries (DLCM) and all my formative years where under the doctrines and teachings of the church.

My parents and the Church taught me to put all my hope in the Lord in all situations and never to complain much because God will make a way even at the dieing minutes.

So I grew up weary of my non church going environment. I wouldn't find myself being a social animal that I am working aggressively hard on becoming nowadays.

So I made church friends, and went to church gatherings, church schools right until my secondary school days.

But there is a catch.

I watched my family falter and we lost everything we had. My father went down with diabetes around 2008 and nobody to help. He lost his carpentry workshop and showroom.. almost lost his life to the disease.

The Church, my church DLCM couldn't offer us good help because they too were individually waiting on the Lord too. So they offered us help but meager.

But that was the only gathering we knew and are aquatinted with.

No Umunna membership, ordinary friends gathering or in another word Friends club. Even market association, my parents never belonged to any of those.

We solely waited on the Lord and around 2011, my dad's diabetes was somehow controlled. Thanks to my Uncle in the village who came to our rescue by using herbs and leaves to help my dad. But not without enough convincing and lobbying from my uncle because my parents saw the help as being fetish of some sort.

In fact at that time we were not in talking terms with the said uncle because of his native practices. But at the end of the day he came to our rescue through the herbs he gave to my dad.

What I am saying is that my parents lifestyle of being too churchy in the way the raised us has been net detrimental in my life as a grown man and to my siblings too.

Talking about me. I didn't finish my education due to my dad's health and the fact that there's no one that could help me who my dad is aquainted with. My social skills is zero until recently. I didn't know how to deal with anybody outside talking about church related stuff and academic stuff I was lost.

So I am on this situation all thanks to my parents way of life of being too judgemental of everything not church related.

In short right now I don't how to keep a healthy relationship - you know calling to check up on someone, buying gifts, attending birthdays and all those stuffs that make knowing people interesting. I am just trying to pick these stuffs up from the street now.


And it hasn't helped in any way.

I think it has brought untold hardship to our lives in the sense that we suffer alone with no one to help. Not uncle's, not friends because we hardly make friends. In those days I wondered why no one visits my parents at home while all our neighbors hosted visitors almost all day especially on Sundays. Unless we are hosting Bible study session.

The simple truth is that no one should exist alone in this plane Earth. We were never built to survive alone and my parents and the church were all wrong.

So I stopped going to church totally. I hated my life how it has turned out and wish I could've made my own decisions earlier in life.

Of a truth I started dodging church activities very early in my teen years but I met stiff rebuttal from my dad. You know the "if I don't see you in church blah blah blah no school fees for you blah blah blah".

Because I started noticing something was off.

They said God answered prayers but I couldn't get answers to mine. I could remember one time in the DLCM camp ground. I prayed earnestly to be healed of my deformity, seeing that others got theirs and I was moved and cried sore for God to heal me. Even made promises to God if he proves his faithfulness. But it seemed the blessings from pastor Kumuyi would never get to me.

I was depressed and got angered.

Starting from then, my prayer life took a dive. Interest in the things of the church tanked.

Also my dad's ill fortune and how we suffered to eat most times during that time, made me question God and doubtful in everything.

In conclusion. We are never going to survive alone as species. We all need US in our lives.

I have started opening up to non church related associations lately. I even joined another church howbeit a modern church if you know what I mean. But now, I joined the church with a purpose. Not because I like going there but because I needed the connections there.

In the Bible it says that we should worship God with understanding but most non-orthodox denominations don't understand a thing.

My message to everyone.

Go out there and be aquainted with your fellow humans. Don't listen to religion and its backwater ideologies because we can't survive alone.

Join a political party, know some force men and become friends. Go to events with the sole aim of meeting new people.

Attend seminars and be active in the society.

A little appraisal of the Yoruba people. In the way some of them practice the Abrahamaic religion. They don't go overboard like the Northerners because of Islam or as strict as the Easterners, my people, in the way they practice Christianity. I stayed in Lagos for upto six years and I was initially confused in the way they practiced the Abrahamaic religions but now I understand better and I am in love with their way in that aspect.

Lastly be wise in your association with people. I.e. avoid secret societies or cult groups because although they'd promise you protection but it's all a lie.

I want to add this.

I learnt this from a pastor.

He said that the reason why Africa is suffering and is in great poverty is because we don't have more partnership businesses.

People have really nice business ideas but no one to sponsor them because African people are not inclined to form partnership so they don't know how to handle it.

In Europe or "the West", many people live off their investment in numerous business partnerships. No matter how little the business they invest in it and get it working good and then get ROI. Even when they are not actively employed or run their own personal business. But they are getting ROI from the investment in other people's businesses.

I think this is true though.

Sorry for the long read.

emmyseg:
I can actually help link you up with some military guys if you need some meanwhile it depends on your location