jmoore:

USA borrows from China to finance its budget.

That is not the point!
What is Nigeria doing with it's borrowed money?
Finance more poverty?

@op You've spoken the undiluted truth!thanks for the post..but trust that some people will never learn until they find themselves in the pitfall.

you can hardly save from your salary? you would rather die there... after spending 30years working and living overseas, 95% of nigerian in diaspora can't afford to come home.

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Middle class people buy everything using loans for the bank.

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You think it is easy to create that kind of system, why are the Nigerian banks not able to do the same?

[quote author=]LOL the US government can't finance it's budget either. If you weren't lying about your 'american passport' you would know about the debt situation here and the fiscal cliff.
You don't sound like a real american, there are things americans dont say and what you just posted is one of them, i can call a fake when i see one.


I think that people leaving nigeria is best for nigeria because it's helping us get rid of a lot of criminal, hateful and unpatriotic elements. I think poverty beats down many people's ability to ration correctly and the guy that posted above me shows this, so it's going to be hard to speak so someone who is still in abject poverty like himself. It's hard to think when you're hungry. Nevertheless he shouldn't pretend he's in america...[/quote]

LOL!!!!!
I can see the purpose of this thread!
Let's have some more fun. . .



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@op, thanks for your balanced views. I have lived in many parts of Nigeria and I have live shortly in South Africa. SA is far more dangerpus place to live than Nigeria. I have never experienced any serious crime since I was born and I have lived in about 5 states. Of course, there has been small incedences, but the inpression you get when you spend your time in NL is that we are all living in fear and chaos daily. Even BH is not an issue in most parts of Nigeria. People don't even think about it because to them, it only exists on the pages of newspapers.

Nigeria is a very peaceful place unlike some are trying to paint. Places like Lagos can be chaotic mainly because of high population but many other cities are very peaceful. People go about their business without fear. I laugh when I see posts like "you cannot make it without someone in government" it is a defeatist argument! There are people buying new cars and houses everyday from their various businesses without government input in their lives. Mowe and environs are expanding everyday. Millions of people are making it daily in all sectors. What we really suffer in Nigeria are basic infrastructures like power, portable water, good roads, etc. As for money, we are doing very ok. And for the upteenth time, 90 percent are not living on 1 dollar a day! That is a big lie cooked up by someone to collect money from foreign donors.

One has to consider the basic things of life. If I can get these basic things I will move out of this country. Honestly if I win a Lottery visa to America, I wont think twice but leave wt my family. It is somehow difficult to get these good food, housing, clothes and somehow security in Nigeria. I dont have to acquire wealth to be comfortable. This country is something else. God bless her

@ OP, thanks for the insights.I've never been desperate to leave my dear Nigeria. Despite the challenges here, you can make it if you believe you can. Sensible Nigerians know this but they they were brought up in a society that makes a status symbol out of having a relation abroad and the children dreaming of the beautiful roads, houses etc not knowing that there are more than a billion figures after 6

Brand_new: However I still believe the US of A is a land of Opportunity for anyone who is willing to make the best use of it.
Most Americans I know and have met don't come across to me as they are half as smart as an average Nigerian but for the Opportunities and facilities at their disposal.
Just imagine a Nigeria with stable electricity and all, yet people still stay productive.
Not to talk of the line of credit available at your disposal as an American. Lots of Nigerians will build a multi million dollar empire if only they hard access to a thousand dollar credit.
This is why a lot of Nigerians will go abroad and excel, only the few losers will come back to Nairaland and whine just like OP just did.
I still believe anyone can make it anywhere regardless. The grass is green everywhere.

It is, don't get me wrong. What you said is key though: "for anyone willing to make the best use of it". No one should give the false impression that anyone can enter the US and be making six figures and living in a 4,000 square-foot home in five years. It takes hard work, determination, perseverance, etc. Someone should do a documentary on Nigerians who are living abroad now. A lot of them have deep, heart-breaking stories. You wonder what made someone sacrifice the way they did.

ogugua88:

It is, don't get me wrong. What you said is key though: "for anyone willing to make the best use of it". No one should give the false impression that anyone can enter the US and be making six figures and living in a 4,000 square-foot home in five years. It takes hard work, determination, perseverance, etc. Someone should do a documentary on Nigerians who are living abroad now. A lot of them have deep, heart-breaking stories. You wonder what made someone sacrifice the way they did.

Oh well, people make sacrifices, weather American or Jamaican. There's a price for good success.

Blazay:

LOL!!!!!
I can see the purpose of this thread!
Let's have some more fun. . .

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This is a silly comment. Even my village has better houses. It is silly to pick one picture from somewhere and post is as Nigeria. Why not post houses from Abuja, Surulere, Lekki phase 1, etc too. America has many poor who eat from the dustbin. I watched a documentary some time back and was shocked. American families picking food from the trash. American families sleeping on the streets! You hardly find that in Nigeria funny enough! Except for Almajiris, most Nigerians have a place to live though it might not be very condusive..

The OP is partly right, but he seems to be viewing things just from one angle, or from his own personal ill luck.

is nigeria in anyway as good? i percieve d OP doesn't live here. wen last did he visit? in the US and Canada, u can always find a way of earning a living. but 9ja is where potential profs are begging 2 bcom trailer drivers.
oh! 509,000 applicants pursuing 1500 vacancies.
my candid advice 2 any1 who cares is dis:
PLS IF U ARE ABROAD, DON'T BOTHER COMING HOME.

As a person that has lived in the USA before, my advise is that if you are young and with few responsibilities or without a good job in Nigeria, by all means go. Travel is also a great form of education.

If you are over forty and have a good job in Nigeria, do not leave it to pursue rubbish in the USA. You will regret it.

I would never raise my kids there though. The place has a way of assimilating people. Even adults go there and forget their culture, talk less of little kids. My children have to be full African with respect for elders and with african values. The ducation system is great there, though so you have to have a balance...partly educate them in Nigeria, and then the USA.

Blazay: Kissing my American passport with much relish!
I'd rather die a slave in a white man's land. . .than live like a king in an African jungle full of intellectual HOTTENTOTS!
The 'government' cannot finance it's budget, then you want to go to Niggerland to do what?
Join THIEVES?
God plus Satan forbid such evil!
Abeg carry go!



With 90% of Nigerians living in abject poverty and squalor!
Nice comic relief!

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The US (or any other developed country for that matter) is a land of opportunities. The more opportunities a country provides to the people living in it, the greater the chances of prosperity.

Blazay:

LOL!!!!!
I can see the purpose of this thread!
Let's have some more fun. . .



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i am yet 2 slumps as these in civilised countries.

ypzilanti: As a person that has lived in the USA before, my advise is that if you are young and with few responsibilities or without a good job in Nigeria, by all means go. Travel is also a great form of education.

If you are over forty and have a good job in Nigeria, do not leave it to pursue rubbish in the USA. You will regret it.

You got me. You just spoke my mind.

thelastPope:

This is a silly comment. Even my village has better houses. It is silly to pick one picture from somewhere and post is as Nigeria. Why not post houses from Abuja, Surulere, Lekki phase 1, etc too. America has many poor who eat from the dustbin. I watched a documentary some time back and was shocked. American families picking food from the trash. American families sleeping on the streets! You hardly find that in Nigeria funny enough! Except for Almajiris, most Nigerians have a place to live though it might not be very condusive..

We don hear!
Your comment is DAFT!

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claremont: The US (or any other developed country for that matter) is a land of opportunities. The more opportunities a country provides to the people living in it, the greater the chances of prosperity.

This is a big lie that has been said over and over and is beginning to sound like the truth. Opportunities are created by the laws of demand and supply, not by development. That is why there will always be more opportunities in underdeveloped nations than in developed nations. It is very difficult to start a business in the USA because so many people are probably doing what you are trying to do. Nigeria on the other hand is fallow ground! Startup cost and incentives are better in the USA though but when you talk about opportunities, it is abundant in Nigeria! Nothing is practically happening here in many sectors!

ypzilanti: As a person that has lived in the USA before, my advise is that if you are young and with few responsibilities or without a good job in Nigeria, by all means go. Travel is also a great form of education.

If you are over forty and have a good job in Nigeria, do not leave it to pursue rubbish in the USA. You will regret it.

I would never raise my kids there though. The place has a way of assimilating people. Even adults go there and forget their culture, talk less of little kids. My children have to be full African with respect for elders and with african values. The ducation system is great there, though so you have to have a balance...partly educate them in Nigeria, and then the USA.

Thank you.

My Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet America!!!!


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Abeg we get slumps for USA o. . .
But 90% of Nigeria na SLUMP!
Only 10% or less be slump for America!
Even America in the 1400s beats Nigeria hands down!
No wonder ONLY CROOKS can live in Nigeria!
Tufiakwa!!!

Seeeeee Nigeria oooooooooooooooh!!! Chinekeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!


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nairaland 4ever...

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I really find this post to be very interesting. I have lived in UK for 23 years. I have 5 children all of them are born in London. I can say that I have lived abroad long enough to understand what the writer is saying. And I can say that I agree 99% with everything the writer has said.

ogugua88:

There's an exception to every rule.

your "rule" doesnt really pass the smell test.

ogugua88:
You know fully well that it's easier to start a life abroad if you have friends and family there to aid you. What I said isn't absurd.

Not true and i gave SEVERAL instances of where that is merely a myth. I came alone (the only family i had i saw once a year or once in 2 yrs and only on short 2-3 day visits). they never were involved in funding my stay here neither were they involved in anyway in the decisions i made. I have other friends who came here alone and are doing excellently well. This country isnt as tough as you all make it seem... those who will need family and friends to survive are those who were either too young coming here or didnt have a focused plan in mind.

ogugua88:
Good job? As soon as they come to the US? My aunty came from England and they wouldn't except her BSC in Biochemistry. She's now working as a certified nurse assistant, which is nasty, strenuous job with menial pay and crummy health insurance. A young woman I know just came from the Philippines with a Bachelors in Nursing. California will not recognize her degree, so she's working at GAP and saving to take courses to gain nursing licensure.

I didnt suggest that good jobs fall from the sky here. If you have a US-recognized degree then you are sure of getting a good job if you work hard at it. I came here with a naija bachelors that wasnt accepted either, i put my head down and worked hard at a grad degree for 5 yrs. Today i reap the fruits of that hard work. Others can do the same, they dont need family and friends to spoonfeed them.

ogugua88:
The only reason abroad is easy is because everything or most of everything is functioning. Apart from that, getting situated is more complicated than it needs to be. I beg of you to go tell Americans who have lost their jobs and insurance coverage that life in the US is easy lol.

It is no more difficult than getting situated in Lagos. I didnt say life in the US is a highway to heaven, note the caveats i put there. If you work hard at your objective here you will make it. There are jobs in America, most of them just happen to be jobs that require specialized skills that many americans who were too lazy to do anything beyond majors in social work do not possess.

Who wrote this trash, you are comparing apple with orange.
Common now, the richest man in Nigeria is the poorest man in Canada
if you compare the way they live and their way of life.
A billionaire in Nigeria can't work freely in the community,
attend functions without all sorts of guard, can't move freely in the
society without harassment, you dress up nicely with things you worked hard out for
you are in trouble. Nothing happens if OBJ, Fashola or any of those big guys slap you in Nigeria.
You can't go out confidently with friends because you don't know what they are up to.
A country that still believe that human parts can make you rich.
It is better you live in Canada with little but with rest of mind.

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee LEKKI oooooooooooooooooooooh!!!


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It should be obvious to people with common sense that going to a place with no support system can be very difficult but just because something is difficult does not mean it is invaluable.

The rule about America is that there are no rules or set template to follow before you make it. About the only thing you can almost guarantee is that if you work hard you will live an ok life.

I really don't understand why people are so preoccupied with being rich! Everybody can't be rich...it is just impossible because being rich will then be the norm. For example, the median household income in Maryland for 2009 is $69,272 (N10.7 million) which is considered being rich in Nigeria. For you to stand out in Maryland, you will need to make about 4 or 5 times the median household income.

What people should strive for is an income that allows them to have the basics things to keep their family happy. That might mean having a house, a couple of cars, taking a vacation every year, being able to eat whatever you want, having a few dollars in the bank, and having enough spare change to donate to a charity of your choice.

By the way, Americans that live America, a country so bad that you should stay away from, gave $347 billion to charity in 2011. People willingly gave $347 billion to those seeking assistance for a cause. If this is not a sign of properity then I don’t know what is!

Oh, and since when is getting a mortgage or a loan bad especially when you can get a $300k mortgage for 30 years at about 4%? It seems the OP thinks that if cheap mortgage becomes available in Nigeria most people won’t jump on it! If you buy stuff on credit, at least you will get to own it after you pay off your loans.

Do you really think your Dangotes and Adenugas do not get loans from banks? I think you don’t really understand how money can work for you even at the crazy 25%+ interest rates charged by Nigerian banks! It is all about leverage!

Nigerian schools!


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you are wise my son

Wallie: It should be obvious to people with common sense that going to a place with no support system can be very difficult but just because something is difficult does not mean it is invaluable.

The rule about America is that there are no rules or set template to follow before you make it. About the only thing you can almost guarantee is that if you work hard you will live an ok life.

I really don't understand why people are so preoccupied with being rich! Everybody can't be rich...it is just impossible because being rich will then be the norm. For example, the median household income in Maryland for 2009 is $69,272 (N10.7 million) which is considered being rich in Nigeria. For you to stand out in Maryland, you will need to make about 4 or 5 times the median household income.

What people should strive for is an income that allows them to have the basics things to keep their family happy. That might mean having a house, a couple of cars, taking a vacation every year, being able to eat whatever you want, having a few dollars in the bank, and having enough spare change to donate to a charity of your choice.

By the way, Americans that live America, a country so bad that you should stay away from, gave $347 billion to charity in 2011. People willingly gave $347 billion to those seeking assistance for a cause. If this is not a sign of properity then I don’t know what is!

Oh, and since when is getting a mortgage or a loan bad especially when you can get a $300k mortgage for 30 years at about 4%? It seems the OP thinks that if cheap mortgage becomes available in Nigeria most people won’t jump on it! If you buy stuff on credit, at least you will get to own it after you pay off your loans.

Do you really think your Dangotes and Adenugas do not get loans from banks? I think you don’t really understand how money can work for you even at the crazy 25%+ interest rates charged by Nigerian banks! It is all about leverage!