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Gerrard59:
Everyone steals. The British stole from the Germans. Europeans stole from the Arabs. Americans stole from Europe. Japan stole from the US. South Koreans stole from the Japanese. When e reach China's turn, we are made to believe that only China stole. If so, how come the producer of the IP seeks the knowledge? At least, the Japanese and Koreans aren't asking for tech transfer.


Oh! The Chinese are damn too good! As I have noticed, while one is thinking 1, they have moved to stage 5. They are so good whether Hong Kong, Taiwanese, Mainland or Singaporean. They are ruthlessly good!

Botragelad:
Nice thread......
I think it is possible that the United States will still be the world power in the next 100 years. Large and diverse economy, which accounts for about a quarter of the global GDP, strong military presence, with hundreds of overseas bases and alliances with many countries, vibrant culture, which influences many aspects of global entertainment, media, education, and innovation, resilient political system, which allows for peaceful transitions of power and checks and balances among different branches of government.

They also have a history of adapting to new international realities, such as the rise of China, the challenges of climate change, and the threats of terrorism.
In reality, the United States faces many challenges and uncertainties in this 21st century, and it cannot take its global leadership for granted. It will have to compete with other emerging powers, such as China, India, Brazil, and maybe Nigeria which will have larger populations and economies by 2050.

Still, I see no one taking that position they hold!

hodari:
75% of the world's population is sick and tired of the 25% (the West) shoving all this liberal agenda, war, and economic apocalypse on them. The USA is acting like it literally owns earth. The arrogance is really pissing everyone else off real fast. The world is big enough for everyone to have a slice of the pie while still being different while engaging in trade amongst each other.

The world is going to split into two camps, the degenerate, bankrupt west controlled by the USA, and the global south led by China and Russia. I just wonder if there will be a new iron curtain, this time isolating the west from the rest of the world.

Botragelad:
Nice thread......
I think it is possible that the United States will still be the world power in the next 100 years. Large and diverse economy, which accounts for about a quarter of the global GDP, strong military presence, with hundreds of overseas bases and alliances with many countries, vibrant culture, which influences many aspects of global entertainment, media, education, and innovation, resilient political system, which allows for peaceful transitions of power and checks and balances among different branches of government.

They also have a history of adapting to new international realities, such as the rise of China.

pansophist:
Ok, I will start with number one. Concerning the US economy, I don't think it is larger than the Chinese economy. Mind you, China's economy is the biggest in the world by PPP, only if you look at the nominal GDP is the US larger. 

the US is about 25% of the Chinese population but has more homeless people in their millions, has a huge neck-crushing debt, with citizens that are mostly in debt. That doesn't seem to me like the world's largest economy.

Also, the US benefits from Bretton Woods, making its economy propped up by the rest of the world. With all these advantages, the US still couldn't solve its healthcare, homeless, infrastructural, or student debt problem which is a cause of suicide among young Americans. 

Also, it can be noticed from your writeup that you avoid arguing between wrong or right, but more of strength and weakness (not sure if it is deliberate). The US care only about being on top, regardless if it destroys the world to get there. That is not a responsible power. 

About tech, Chine leads in 33 of 44 critical technological areas that will dominate the 21st century. See the link below, I intentionally use Western sources, just in case. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/china-leading-us-in-technology-race-in-all-but-a-few-fields-thinktank-finds

About diplomacy, I don't understand how initiating war globally for profit is diplomacy, perhaps you can make me understand. The US is not a member of the ICC (same as UNICLOS) but uses it as a stick to punish countries through it while being immune to it themselves. The US is an irresponsible power and doesn't deserve that position. 

Every other thing you wrote is just arrant nonsense. The US does not have a free press, all US media are owned by a tiny group of media moguls, and they repeat the same thing. Folks here are not idiots, they see it with their own eyes. US media is propaganda. The trick is simple. Tell a lie from a thousand sources, a thousand times, and it may be perceived as truth. 

China may be an authoritarian regime, but it doesn't go out there destroying countries. The thing with you Western defenders is that you focus more on the color of the cat, instead of judging if the cat can catch a mouse. If Nigeria will become authoritarian and in 50 years, be as wealthy as Norway and end our centuries of humiliation, I will accept it wholeheartedly. 

Who cares about democracy? it is too susceptible, and the West want countries to be a democracy so they can intervene internally by sponsoring opposing parties, Just look at Phillippines for example after Duerterte left power, a Western stooge came in. 

Lots of Western allies are not democratic, such as Saudi, why is the West not lecturing them about democracy? It's simple. Saudi is not a threat. 
About the crackdown of decent, don't make me laugh. China is an understood demon, the US is a demon pretending to be God. With all the social media censorship and lack of free speech to speak your mind about gays or Jews, what will you call that?

And I personally think unrestricted freedom of speech leads to chaos. Twitter right now is officially a porn site, you can literally watch porn on Twitter, and lots of kids use it, how is such freedom beneficial? or freedom for a societal destabilizer to plant evil thoughts in citizens' minds because they can say anything. This is nonsense. 

The idea that Western values are all perfect and supreme is an imperialist mindset. Do away with it. I will rather be safe than be killed by someone that has the freedom to carry a gun around. Exercising your freedom can harm others. How is that normal?

Militarily, the US by its very nature is not unforgiven or lenient to countries it can destroy, taking a cue from all the wars it's been fighting since its founding. The fact it can't go fight China is because China is formidable and impenetrable. Military power is not judged by fighting small weak countries, but by taking on equally formidable partners. 

The last time I can remember the US fought a formidable power was in the Korean War, and China dealt with the US so badly, that it was the only war the Americans refused to make a movie on because there is just no way they could propagandize that war to their favor. 

Everything I wrote here is an attempt not a write a book only on your first point, because your points are just filled with inaccuracies. I will handle each of the other points as time goes by.

seguno2:
Did the West pump money into China because they were clueless about what they had done to China

TheAlphaHunter:
Interesting but I have been seeing articles talking about how china's economy is failing, do you think those articles are correct?

pansophist:
Its propaganda. A well-known doomsday idiot is Gordon G. Chang. You can call him a sell-out, or a Judas Iscariot.

He became famous for always predicting the impending collapse of China. For close to thirty years, he has been releasing books, topics, commentaries, and interviews, about how China will collapse soon.

He became very wealthy because of his predictions, which always fail of course.

Before China grew to be an economic behemoth, they were known as the sick man of Asia, the inferior races, and all sorts of bad names. So ignore the nonsense you see on the mainstream.

budaatum:
Your "extreme" is prejudiced biased, and an attempt to demonise.

Feminism increases the worker pool, and gives employers more choice. Already, feminism has ensured more girls than boys get educated, and women are more desirable employees than boys.

If you boys don't evolve you'll be left far behind.

RodgersAkpafu:
one truth is that the US and the West propped China as a way to keep inflation rates low in their regions
The rise of China as a trading partner and factory to the west coincided with the sharp and sustained decline in the inflationary pressures ib the west for 30 straight years.

Western powers are very calculating, and will not "go down" without a fight, to the point of even "scattering everywhere
China however played smart, learnt the ropes and rose from the factory designation the west stamped on its head.

These policy makers know what they are doing.

RodgersAkpafu:
e na zero, and thats handicap one of many handicaps facing the Chinese

Building up to the above, America has a multi decade strategy of poaching global talent across the world to the USA to further their interests.
From the days of Operation Paperclip, that has been their style and they will continue to do it decades to come
No empire develops to that height totally endogenously. Look back to any empire from the time of Egypt....
Until the Chinese find a way to Starr poaching global talent, their name na sorry
Heck, China is even losing talent because contrary to what some of u may want to believe, many of the Chinese who left China to study ARE NOT GOING BACK TO CHINA

I work with them, so I know the general sentiment. Freedom is a snare the west is using to draw them in and hook them, and freedom is alluring.
This is a very interesting point and funny thing to say, don't even know how I'll respond to it lol

Gerrard59:
10. As I have preached relentlessly on Nairaland, the United States is the [b]ONLY place where black professionals thrive and excel. Unsurprisingly, African Americans are the richest set of black people globally, with black South Africans behind. The US absorbs the best and brightest talent globally. However, I wonder if there won’t be a backlash towards Nigerians should Nigeria begin to prosper. Currently, Chinese Academics and professionals are being harassed with many opting to relocate to Mainland China or cousins in Singapore/Malaysia/South Korea/Japan. This paper studied their worries and planned departures: “Caught in the Crossfire: Fears of Chinese-American Scientists”: https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2216248120

Gerrard59:
Well, when many are being discriminated against simply because they are Chinese and haunted about in their workplaces, they would learn. That said, I have stated here that many Chinese students are looking elsewhere - Korea, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia to study rather than the West. Also, the West has made it clear that they don't want Chinese students, at least in STEM fields which the Chinese prefer. Washington has stated so such that the number of Chinese students in the US has declined to be below that of India. The Dutch have explicitly barred Chinese students from STEM fields, and so have the Swiss.

See here:



So I wager that those who aren't interested in returning to China are Ndi lovey-dovey folks just as we've Nigerians who learnt basic biology in secondary schools in Nigeria, but chant woke words that gEnDeR and sEx are different concepts while supporting actual men to be in women's bathrooms. One cannot win always, but if one is to lose, it is better to lose such characters. China would not miss them.

BTW, the entire bolded text in the embedded post reveals a lot because India is beginning to experience similar backslashes. Very soon we would be told that India is taking our jobs 🙄

seguno2:
Please how are THEY stopping us from being similarly calculating, and WHY can’t we also play smart like the Chinese?

What do the whites and the Chinese have that is lacking in how God created us equally with other races

Gerrard59:
Looking back at this thread and the latest technological advances from China, I am glad my predictions have come to pass. Next up is the EUV machine - as I stated, e go become pure water. Expect to see one at Ladipo when it becomes public.

Learn Chinese today. This is the Chinese Century.

Gerrard59:
Looking back at this thread and the latest technological advances from China, I am glad my predictions have come to pass. Next up is the EUV machine - as I stated, e go become pure water. Expect to see one at Ladipo when it becomes public.

Learn Chinese today. This is the Chinese Century.

LordAdam16:
Heard this mind-blowing stat on Bloomberg and had to share it.

50% of undergraduate research in AI globally originates from China.
38% of AI researchers in the US are of Chinese ethnicity (37% are native Americans many of which are of course Asian).

China is competing with itself.

Credit to the US, the elite let Trump have the floor to begin rapidly overhauling America's economic ties with the rest of the world, allies inclusive. This is why I caution many. Sure, multipolarism is here to stay. But don't completely write off the Hegemony just yet.
The speed and flexibility with which the US reoriented to become economically hawkish is laudable.
Trump started the tariff dance. Biden kept it. Trump 2.0 is going for broke. Listen hard enough and you'd notice silence from the powerbase.
Jamie Dimon was essentially saying the investor and capitalist class should get over the tariffs. That's a significant development.

This is the Chinese Century. But boy am I excited about the competition that'll heat up to 11.
I'm also now looking forward to the next crash of the US economy.
A new cold war is well underway. Invest. Invest. Invest. US and China are prime destinations. But satellites like Vietnam. Brazil. Thailand. UAE. Israel. Norway. Singapore. will eat good in the coming decades.

Just look at what transpired after DeepSeek's mic drop.
Big Tech embraced it wholeheartedly. Zuck said on META's earnings call that he'll implement DeepSeek's innovations in the next Llama iteration. Microsoft and Amazon added R1 to their cloud services.
The infrastructure buildout in China and US is insane.
No one is talking about energy conservation in the US anymore. It's like a switch flipped.

This is what the first cold war should have been like. A proper economic fisticuff.
This duel will create unfathomable wealth and technological advancement for the species. And I'm here for it.

-Lord

Gerrard59:
Thank you Lord. I applaud the Chinese focus on economic development without resorting to tinkering with countries' political structures and cultures. There is a popular meme of Xi which is titled "Do Nothing and Win". That has been the focus of Chinese elites, and I am proud of them. As for Chinese scientists in the US (negligible in other parts of the West), many have been returning and with Trump's new tenure coupled with the hordes of China hawks he has appointed, many more will return. It was during his first tenure that he initiated the China's Act sort where Chinese researchers were scrutinised unjustly which saw many lose funding and a few even died ("committed suicides" we're told). Whether in terms of scientific publications and the people behind them, as you stated, it is China vs China. In manufacturing, no country can defeat China's poweress, no one whatsoever. I just cannot see it. Unlike Japan in its heydays, the Chinese are going everywhere whether in Nigeria, Brazil, Congo, Namibia, Malaysia, Dubai etc. The West has met its match!

The Chinese Century, nay Asian Century is here, and unlike Japan, the US destroyed with the Plaza Accord, China isn't signing anything, has no US military base and possesses nuclear weapons. As for investment, Europe is done for. Severe demographic crises, far from emerging Asia, abut to a poorer Africa, a bloated public debt, over-regulation etc. I don't see how they can compete o. Aside from China, the next hubs are Southeast Asia and South Asia. If we and East Africa get our acts together, we follow suit.

The aim is to promote economic/scientific development, do nothing else and win. Sincere kudos to the Chinese as a people and their elites. I am proud of them.

Long Live the CCP!

LordAdam16:
China is overflowing with talent.
Masters graduates are waiting tables or doing delivery runs.
It'll take some time but Xi should absolutely double down on boosting domestic consumption.
The Chinese population already have trillions stuck in a bank. Now they need to discard old habits. Most had tangential exposure to the times of lack in the 20th century. That'll change. But anyway to fast track it would be awesome for the Chinese economy.

I hesitate to write off Europe because of what has transpired in the US.
Granted, the US is more nimble than the EU.
But just observe the speed at which they did an about face. No more DEI. ESG. Energy conservation.
It's like the country just collectively said "we're done with that" and that's it.

Europe hasn't had the wherewithal to do that yet, but you can see tiny flames sputtering in the rise of conservative movements in the Old Continent.
I feel that if properly motivated, the upper class could just as easily change course.
For now, they're been hamstrung by the Americans who prefer docility and the ride a bicycle, eat croissant, and vacation in Greece or Switzerland lifestyle is not exactly the worst way to live. But with Trump flipping the table on relations and their trusted US liberal allies playing along, who knows how long before the European elites go, okay "enough with the WLB BS", we're getting our a$$ kicked by the North Americans and the Asians, it's time to get to work.

Europe is still incredibly feudal and classist. I think a sea change can be radically implemented in a jiffy.
Now, if a change would lead to a successful upgrade where they're able to compete favorably is an open question. But the Old Continent still retain a few surprises.
Yachts and cruise ships are still produced there. German tech is still excellent. Netherlands is still a world beater in agriculture. French luxury is still holding its own.

It also guarantees that even if Africa doesn't get its sh*t together, our progenies will still have a long laundry list of destinations with healthy talent demand. The Americas, the Gulf, the Old Continent, SE and East Asia. The retards can continue with their mindless graft and Sharia campaign, e no pass for our progenies to continue the IJGB culture.

Gerrard59:
I think this ideology stems from the "China needs to consume/buy goods and services", mostly from Western think tanks and so-called experts (most of whom don't speak Chinese in the first place). China consumes goods and services (one of the major buyers of luxury goods and tourists). I don't know about now, but before the sanctions and blockade by the US and its vassals allies, China was a major buyer of ASML products and still constitutes a third of its revenue. The same applies to NVIDIA. China buys a lot of advanced chemicals from Japan/South Korea, agro-commodities from South American nations, iron ore from Australia, minerals and fruits from Southeast Asian nations. Any country that has witnessed a drop in exports to China is because the country has insulted or tried to belittle or control China, which is uncalled and frankly a stoopid thing to do. So, the ideology that Chinese consumers don't consume does not sit well with me. They do, but if some countries decide to bar the exports of those goods to China, what can the Chinese do other than find alternatives elsewhere or within?

Sorry, but they cannot work or better still out-do hungry and ready Vietnamese or Indians. Besides, where would the young people come from sef? That continent is laggard and almost gone. They still argue arrogantly that they have a higher quality of life even when their Gen-Zs have been left far behind their US counterparts. Who will pay the pensions and man the factories to compete head-on with emerging Asia? Also, as exemplified by China, every other nation outside the West wants to move up the technology ladder, the very thing the West fights China. So, when the likes of India, Vietnam and Malaysia can produce goods Europeans do at cheaper rates, what would they offer to the world aside from luxury goods and open fields in the name of tourism?

German tech is morbidly expensive. Even cheaper Japanese tech is out-done across Southeast Asia to the extent the Mitsubishi CEO said "Chinese carmakers are doing too much" in the region. For less than half the price, the agriculture by the Dutch can be done by South Americans. The reason they dragged their feet in signing a trade deal with the major countries in the continent. I see dominance in pharmaceuticals - branded drugs which cure/treat specific diseases. The other aspect of the industry is fully dominated by Indians and the Chinese and this sector constitutes the majority of maladies in most parts of the world. And oh! Luxury and specific machinery goods as done by the Swiss, but if they keep insulting and trying to control a major buyer, expect a decline in sales.

Well, as you stated, if the continent does not get its act together, other parts of the world will simply pick the best and brightest of our people. But in a world where there would be more black people, and/or an increase, than other races and in an inter-connected space, I wonder how relations would be.

RodgersAkpafu:
@Gerrard59


Underestimate the Europeans at your peril
Like LordAdam16 has rightly pointed out, Europe still has it in them to push forward

These Asians are newbies and are not there yet

All it takes is a spark and wonders will ensue.
The intangibles are in their favour, and thats Asia's major handicap

Hustle and Grit will only take you so far

Intellectual Property, the Right cultural mix and other intangibles are the sweet spots thar Europe/America can still play to keep them ahead

Japan was hailed back then as the power that will overtake the west
How far today ?

China the same
How far today ?

RodgersAkpafu:
Compared to the West, most of Far Asia are still newbies

You may exempt China and maybe Japan, but for the most part, my point is still very much valid

The Greeks and Romans laid the groundwork for which modern stuff is built
With input from the middle east (via mathematics)

I agree with you to a degree, but then, what will happen over the next 50 years is left to be seen

African COUNTRIES STILL haven't gotten their priorities right

Well, and that’s the way the world has always worked. The way the world has always worked is that the Chinese will do what’s in the best interests of China, the Russians will do what’s in the best interest of Russia, the Chileans are going to do what’s in the best interest of Chile, and the United States needs to do what’s in the best interest of the United States. Where our interests align, that’s where you have partnerships and alliances; where our differences are not aligned, that is where the job of diplomacy is to prevent conflict while still furthering our national interests and understanding they’re going to further theirs. And that’s been lost.

And I think that was lost at the end of the Cold War, because we were the only power in the world, and so we assumed this responsibility of sort of becoming the global government in many cases, trying to solve every problem. And there are terrible things happening in the world. There are. And then there are things that are terrible that impact our national interest directly, and we need to prioritize those again. So it’s not normal for the world to simply have a unipolar power. That was not – that was an anomaly. It was a product of the end of the Cold War, but eventually you were going to reach back to a point where you had a multipolar world, multi-great powers in different parts of the planet. We face that now with China and to some extent Russia, and then you have rogue states like Iran and North Korea you have to deal with.

RodgersAkpafu:
@Gerrar.d59
Underestimate the Europeans at your peril
Like LordAd.am16 has rightly pointed out, Europe still has it in them to push forward.These Asians are newbies and are not there yet

All it takes is a spark and wonders will ensue. The intangibles are in their favour, and thats Asia's major handicap

Hustle and Grit will only take you so far

Intellectual Property, the Right cultural mix and other intangibles are the sweet spots thar Europe/America can still play to keep them ahead

Japan was hailed back then as the power that will overtake the west
How far today ?

China the same
How far today ?