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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 10:48pm On Feb 01, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Is that not what objective means? 👀

Or are you so dumb like your colleague?
Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, Commander of Jehovah's army.


Thanks for your time.
grin grin grin grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 10:55pm On Feb 01, 2025
Janosky:
Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, Commander of Jehovah's army.


Thanks for your time.
grin grin grin grin
🤣🤣🤣🤣 indeed

Have a nice weekend.

Next time we have a discourse please do better than this🤧.

You were logically dishonest, incoherent and above all impervious to simple reasoning.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47:
Janosky:
Your fellow Trinitarians devotees & protestant Reformers, staunch Trinitarians led by the same ghost deity deceiving you, rejected your claims.
1599 Geneva Bible translated and published by your fellow Trinitarians.
Do I have to remind you that Geneva Bible is far older than your KJV?
Go and examine the Bible evidence for their beliefs that Jesus is archangel Michael.
Your WAILING upandan doesn't change the fact that your fellow Trinitarians devotees believed the doctrine you are denying.
The same ghost deity gives conflicting intel to Trinitarians.
😂😂😂
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


fraud jw janosky

peoples different opinions are just that - their different opinions, and has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit,
the Holy Spirit certainly does not give conflicting opinions as you love to lie and say, but of course you lost false jw's love to
blaspheme and call Him names as well; "the ghost deity", "the unholy ghost", "the ole demon ghost", "one head of a three headed dog", etc.

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire


the attachments i have seen you post are not the geneva bible, but are footnotes/commentaries/opinions, on some matters.
for instance, the geneva bible doesn't say michael is Jesus, it's just the opinion of someones associated with geneva bible

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 4:24am On Feb 02, 2025
Janosky:
Prejudiced guesses in your fellow Trinitarian 1599 Geneva Bible.
Prejudiced guesses by your fellow Trinitarian pastors Charles Spurgeon and reformer, Martin Luther to name a few?
Your ghost deity. guiding them found you unworthy of such high level Intel.
Your gods of men no reach the level to know.
grin grin grin grin
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


fraud jw janosky:
Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 6:25am On Feb 02, 2025
MaxinDHouse: when Jesus returned to heaven, he was again Michael
false jw mad max

when Jesus returned to heaven, He was again; "The Word of God"

Rev 19:13  He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by cornelboy(f): 1:28am On Feb 12, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Michael is the same as Jesus to me but i will call Cornelboy to discuss with you!
Been a while ser
I say make I come today
I forgot my login details

How are things over there?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by cornelboy(f): 2:27am On Feb 12, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Nope, they're not the same.
I had a discourse similar to this with a prominent JW here.

He drew an absolute statement from Jesus' words as regards "turning the left cheek" - oversimplified, and how those fighting wars are not christians!.

Along the line in my counter, I raised up the verses of revelation alluding to the fact that his prince of peace "Michael" fought a war in heaven then came to earth to preach ☮️ peace 🤕.

A simple contradiction in character was sufficient to show that Jesus was not Archangel Michael as they claim and also to make him see the fallacies he committed.

Jesus is not Michael!!!!!
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Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:57am On Feb 12, 2025
cornelboy:
Been a while ser
I say make I come today
I forgot my login details

How are things over there?
My brother we dey o! smiley
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 9:49am On Feb 12, 2025
cornelboy:
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🙃How may I be of help to you?
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 5:59pm On Feb 12, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Nope, they're not the same.
I had a discourse similar to this with a prominent JW here.

He drew an absolute statement from Jesus' words as regards "turning the left cheek" - oversimplified, and how those fighting wars are not christians!.

Along the line in my counter, I raised up the verses of revelation alluding to the fact that his prince of peace "Michael" fought a war in heaven then came to earth to preach ☮️ peace 🤕.

A simple contradiction in character was sufficient to show that Jesus was not Archangel Michael as they claim and also to make him see the fallacies he committed.

Jesus is not Michael!!!!!
Na delusions lead them to that conclusion that those involved in wars are not true Christians grin cheesy cheesy

That same self righteous religious organization will readily preach and teach others about self defense.

I asked one of their members who claimed to be an ex military intelligence officer the primary agenda of all military formations all over the world. He ran away knowing stating self defense counters their lies of Christians involved in war not being true Christians
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 6:00pm On Feb 12, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 indeed

Have a nice weekend.

Next time we have a discourse please do better than this🤧.

You were logically dishonest, incoherent and above all impervious to simple reasoning.
Na their mode of operation be that. Their taskmasters must be defended at all cost.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 6:03pm On Feb 12, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
You should know, I don't mouth darling.
I'm coherent and I think before I assert.

But you idiots, have shown the contrary🤕.
Two grown men.

One is afraid to answer the question knowing fully well the logical implications of it, the other is looking for "church" as though that was the subject matter.

😂😂😂😂
Laughable. They know more about peddling lies and manipulations then recycling it to make people accept the point by hook or crook.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 6:05pm On Feb 12, 2025
cornelboy:
No verse explicitly says that Jesus is Michael. No verse outrightly says Jesus is not angel Michael.
Indeed there are clues in the Bible that show that archangel Michael could be the one sent as Jesus Christ by God.
The need to defend your taskmasters led you into a topic you know is full of speculations and assumptions they themselves cannot be dogmatic about.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by gohf: 6:52pm On Feb 12, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
Nope, they're not the same.
I had a discourse similar to this with a prominent JW here.

He drew an absolute statement from Jesus' words as regards "turning the left cheek" - oversimplified, and how those fighting wars are not christians!.

Along the line in my counter, I raised up the verses of revelation alluding to the fact that his prince of peace "Michael" fought a war in heaven then came to earth to preach ☮️ peace 🤕.

A simple contradiction in character was sufficient to show that Jesus was not Archangel Michael as they claim and also to make him see the fallacies he committed.

Jesus is not Michael!!!!!
Matt.10.34 "Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! No, I came to bring a sword.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 11:59pm On Feb 13, 2025
gohf:
Matt.10.34 "Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! No, I came to bring a sword.
what then is your posit? 🙃

Think wisely😊
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by gohf: 11:06am On Feb 14, 2025
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Gabrielshow24:
what then is your posit? 🙃

Think wisely😊
1John.3.8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows they belong to the Devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy these works of the Devil.

2Thess.2.8 Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will consume with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

John 14:27. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 11:23am On Feb 14, 2025
gohf:
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1John.3.8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows they belong to the Devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy these works of the Devil.

2Thess.2.8 Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will consume with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

John 14:27. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.
"destroy works" through what🤨, perhaps through raising of the sword🤔.

Also this a clear diversion from the subject matter and you want us to infer that these verses allude to Christ's supposed pre-incarnate disposition to violence.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by gohf: 11:54am On Feb 14, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
"destroy works" through what🤨, perhaps through raising of the sword🤔.

Also this a clear diversion from the subject matter and you want us to infer that these verses allude to Christ's supposed pre-incarnate disposition to violence.
a diversion? 🤨😒🙄 is that what you call the verses you read?

Rev.2.16 Repent, or I will come to you suddenly and fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 1:27pm On Feb 14, 2025
gohf:
a diversion? 🤨😒🙄 is that what you call the verses you read?

Rev.2.16 Repent, or I will come to you suddenly and fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
"sword of my mouth" 🤤
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by cornelboy(f): 10:32pm On Feb 14, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
🙃How may I be of help to you?
Nothing ser
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by cornelboy(f): 10:33pm On Feb 14, 2025
achorladey:
The need to defend your taskmasters led you into a topic you know is full of speculations and assumptions they themselves cannot be dogmatic about.
Okay
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:21pm On Feb 14, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 indeed

Have a nice weekend.

Next time we have a discourse please do better than this🤧.

You were logically dishonest, incoherent and above all impervious to simple reasoning.
Your fellow Trinitarians devotees believed what your ghost deity taught them.

Please humble yourself to receive the same intel given to Martin Luther and other Trinitarians.

grin grin

Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by johnw47: 1:20am On Feb 15, 2025
Janosky:
Your fellow Trinitarians devotees believed what your ghost deity taught them.
Please humble yourself to receive the same intel given to Martin Luther and other Trinitarians.
grin grin
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


fraud jw janosky

u r 4ever loving to mock/blaspheme "The Holy Spirit"
calling Him "ghost diety/ghost god"

truly your reward is coming:

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Mat 12:31  Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 
Mat 12:32  Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Gabrielshow24: 2:37am On Feb 15, 2025
Janosky:
Your fellow Trinitarians devotees believed what your ghost deity taught them.

Please humble yourself to receive the same intel given to Martin Luther and other Trinitarians.

grin grin
Alluding to commentaries 🤤.
What's the literal interpretation of archAngel? 😅

Like I said in a different thread.
You are playing on the fact that the word itself has different meanings and you are switching between them to suit your case🥲.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 3:51pm On Feb 15, 2025
cornelboy:
Okay
Better for you. Stop looking for who decides to become atheist after leaving your religious organization called Jehovah's organization or people you will use as example that their lives became miserable after leaving that religious organization I know is a concocted concept made by man. God does not have an organization called Jehovah's organization.
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by cornelboy(f): 5:02pm On Feb 15, 2025
achorladey:
Better for you. Stop looking for who decides to become atheist after leaving your religious organization called Jehovah's organization or people you will use as example that their lives became miserable after leaving that religious organization I know is a concocted concept made by man. God does not have an organization called Jehovah's organization.
Anyhow
Don't know which God you talking about anyway
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 7:13pm On Feb 15, 2025
cornelboy:
Anyhow
Don't know which God you talking about anyway
grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

I am talking about the one captured in that your NWT in the book of Exodus 3:14

At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.”*+ And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’”


I don't have to tell you I believe in that God or not before you know the one I am talking about and that your NWT never in any instance said that God has an organization

Jehovah's organization or God's organization is a concocted concept made by man to pack lies and manipulations into your brains. I was there before you even if you spend your whole life in that your so CALLED BETHEL many of the pilgrimage site for Jehovah's witnesses cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by cornelboy(f): 2:28am On Feb 16, 2025
achorladey:
grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

I am talking about the one captured in that your NWT in the book of Exodus 3:14

At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.”*+ And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’”


I don't have to tell you I believe in that God or not before you know the one I am talking about and that your NWT never in any instance said that God has an organization

Jehovah's organization or God's organization is a concocted concept made by man to pack lies and manipulations into your brains. I was there before you even if you spend your whole life in that your so CALLED BETHEL many of the pilgrimage site for Jehovah's witnesses cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Nah
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by achorladey: 10:23am On Feb 16, 2025
cornelboy:
Nah
Nah what? That was how the madness and insanities peddling brains of MaxInDHouse started by denying his God cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

You have the freedom to follow him as well. Nah that the God in Exodus 3:14 is not your God. That's how they go about deceiving and deluding themselves and others just to look separate cheesy grin cheesy cheesy
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by Janosky: 8:38pm On Feb 16, 2025
achorladey:
grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

I am talking about the one captured in that your NWT in the book of Exodus 3:14

At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.”*+ And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’”


I don't have to tell you I believe in that God or not before you know the one I am talking about and that your NWT never in any instance said that God has an organization

Jehovah's organization or God's organization is a concocted concept made by man to pack lies and manipulations into your brains. I was there before you even if you spend your whole life in that your so CALLED BETHEL many of the pilgrimage site for Jehovah's witnesses cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Message from Top to the lower strata
Revelation 1:1
Jehovah's Revelatory Message
given to Jesus;
Jesus delivered to angels;
Angels sent that Message to John &
finally sent Jehovah's message to
Servants in
The 7 Congregations in Asia Miinor.

But the MUMU will send official communication from him Oga at the Top to all their Units and Departments as instructed by him Boss at the Top.
But the MUMU is not in that organization at all.
Their Organization does not exist.

Ozuo pro max.
grin grin
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:51pm On Feb 16, 2025
achorladey:
MaxInDHouse started by denying his God
Pharisees claimed they are children of the Bible God {John 8:41} Jesus said he's not on the same page with them {John 8:42-43} does that mean Jesus is denying his God?
NO!
It simply means only those having same line of thought with him are worshipers of his God {Matthew 12:46-50} that is why he said Pharisees are of the devil! John 8:44
So we will be well pleased if you say that your God is the true God while Jehovah's Witnesses are worshiping something else after all you're not on the same page with us {Matthew 10:24-25} but quoting Bible as if you're of the same God with us?
Ọmọ it's a NO! NO!! NO!!! wink
Re: Can Anyone Refute The Claim Of Jw Believe That Angel Michael Is Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:05pm On Feb 16, 2025
delkuf:
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument
A careful reading, diligent study and thorough meditation on what is written in the Bible shows that Jesus is an angel but where JWs and most Christendom churches disagree is whether Jesus is the Archangel Michael or a part of the Trinitarian Godhead but one thing is certain: He is the angel of the LORD!

https://versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/how-do-we-know-the-angel-of-the-lord-is-jesus
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