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God the father or Christ?

Zaheertyler:
God the father or Christ?

I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, would you like if i use the scriptures to answer your question?

MaxInDHouse:
I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses, would you like if i use the scriptures to answer your question?

Sure

Zaheertyler:
Sure

The voice Moses heard is that of Jesus in his prehuman existence but back then Jesus was an angel who always represent God in speaking.
For instance it's the same angel who was going ahead of the Israelites as a pillar of cloud but Moses later discovered that it wasn't God Himself rather it was the angel representing God! Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19
Before then this same angel appeared to Moses's ancestor Abraham {Genesis 18:1} so it was written that Abraham spoke directly with God face to face {Genesis 18:17-25} but it was much later after Jesus' ascension that we know that he was the person representing God in the Old Testament because no man has seen God at any point in time {John 1:18} therefore if anyone has spoken with a spirit in the past such ones were speaking with the angel representing God who later came as a human in person of Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:
The voice Moses heard is that of Jesus in his prehuman existence but back then Jesus was an angel who always represent God in speaking.
For instance it's the same angel who was going ahead of the Israelites as a pillar of cloud but Moses later discovered that it wasn't God Himself rather it was the angel representing God! Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19
Before then this same angel appeared to Moses's ancestor Abraham {Genesis 18:1} so it was written that Abraham spoke directly with God face to face {Genesis 18:17-25} but it was much later after Jesus' ascension that we know that he was the person representing God in the Old Testament because no man has seen God at any point in time {John 1:18} therefore if anyone has spoken with a spirit in the past such ones were speaking with the angel representing God who later came as a human in person of Jesus!

Hidden glory in creation
You calling him an angel means you don’t believe In the trinity

Zaheertyler:
Hidden glory in creation
You calling him an angel means you don’t believe In the trinity

Please let the believers in trinity come and use the scriptures to expatiate if they know better!

OLORUN OLODUMARE, GOD THE ALMIGHTY AND HE IS THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION SPOKE TO MOSES AND ALSO SAID AT THE TRANSFIGURATION "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON HEAR YE HIM".
THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION IS GOD IN GOD'SPHERE, LORDGOD IN TRANSIT AND LORD ON EARTH AND IN THE UNIVERSE.

Zaheertyler:
God the father or Christ?

"OLUWA OLORUN OLODUMARE, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION".

MaxInDHouse:
Please let the believers in trinity come and use the scriptures to expatiate if they know better!

THE SPEECH TO MOSES WAS THE WORD OF GOD AT THE BEGINNING THAT WAS WITH GOD AND IS GOD.

orisa37:
THE SPEECH TO MOSES WAS THE WORD OF GOD AT THE BEGINNING THAT WAS WITH GOD AND IS GOD.

OK!

Zaheertyler:
God the father or Christ?

Christ Jesus.

We have only ONE LORD

AND WHO IS The LORD?

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.

Philippians 2:11
"And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father"

Romans 10:9

1 Corinthians 12:3 states that no one can say that Jesus is the Lord except by the Holy Ghost.

Romans 13:14 etc

MaxInDHouse:
The voice Moses heard is that of Jesus in his prehuman existence but back then Jesus was an angel who always represent God in speaking.
For instance it's the same angel who was going ahead of the Israelites as a pillar of cloud but Moses later discovered that it wasn't God Himself rather it was the angel representing God! Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19
Before then this same angel appeared to Moses's ancestor Abraham {Genesis 18:1} so it was written that Abraham spoke directly with God face to face {Genesis 18:17-25} but it was much later after Jesus' ascension that we know that he was the person representing God in the Old Testament because no man has seen God at any point in time {John 1:18} therefore if anyone has spoken with a spirit in the past such ones were speaking with the angel representing God who later came as a human in person of Jesus!

You are mixing it all up

The LORD is Jesus, yes is He an Angel? The Answer is not really!

Genesis 1:26 shows us that God, The Father, His Son and the Angels are all alike. Which is why where The LORD is referenced to an Angel is not out of place. But it is only correct to a small degree.

For The LORD is The One with Authority over heaven and earth as a King is the Authority over his territory.

Therefore, every thing and person on the earth and Angel in heaven is subject and subordinate to The LORD, Jesus Christ.

And Genesis 2 shows that the full title of Jesus Christ is The LORD God which the bible later clarifies saying The LORD "our God".

Thus, it is wrong, defamatory and blasphemous to reduce the Level and Position of The LORD God, to an Angel, just because of the scarce occasions were He was referenced as An Angel.

The scarcity of that reference is there for a reason.

Zaheertyler:
Hidden glory in creation
You calling him an angel means you don’t believe In the trinity

Did Jesus teach trinity?
Did the Apostles teach trinity or believe in it?

What did they believe?

1 COR 8:6 NLV
But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live.

John 17:3 NLV
And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

Jesus and the early church believed that only the Father is the true God. Nothing like trinity.

Please is it possible you don't mention me?

I don't relate with immature people.

So since i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and you keep saying JWs are mad i think it'll be wise to avoid me completely.

Thanks!

StillDtruth:
You are mixing it all up

The LORD is Jesus, yes is He an Angel? The Answer is not really!

Genesis 1:26 shows us that God, The Father, His Son and the Angels are all alike. Which is why where The LORD is referenced to an Angel is not out of place. But it is only correct to a small degree.

For The LORD is The One with Authority over heaven and earth as a King is the Authority over his territory.

Therefore, every thing and person on the earth and Angel in heaven is subject and subordinate to The LORD, Jesus Christ.

And Genesis 2 shows that the full title of Jesus Christ is The LORD God which the bible later clarifies saying The LORD "our God".

Thus, it is wrong, defamatory and blasphemous to reduce the Level and Position of The LORD God, to an Angel, just because of the scarce occasions were He was referenced as An Angel.

The scarcity of that reference is there for a reason.

MaxInDHouse:
Please is it possible for you to stop mentioning me?

I don't relate with immature people.

So since i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and you keep saying JWs are mad i think it'll be wise to avoid me completely.

Thanks!

Sorry, I am duty bound to rebuke you when you Lie and deceive others and teaching the very wrong thing.

And since you always ascribe all your comments to JW, then both you and your jwness will be affected.

So, sorry, I would not be stopping unless you speak rightly and Truly which may even go so well that I may be forced to say that you have spoken well, which I have also done also.

So, you have take the good and the bad but it would have been better if only you would speak rightly and truly all the time.

StillDtruth:
Sorry, I am duty bound to rebuke you when you Lie and deceive others, teaching the very wrong thing.

And since you always ascribe all your comments to JW, then both you and your jwness will be affected.

So, sorry, I would not be stopping unless you speak rightly and Truly which may even go so well that I may be forced to say that you have spoken well, which I have also done also.

So, you have take the good and the bad but it would have been better if only you would speak rightly and truly all the time.

You are not mature to reason with intellectually so please stop mentioning me!

MaxInDHouse:
You are not mature to reason with intellectually so please stop mentioning me!

If I was not mature to speak intellectually, then you would have used your intelligence to crush mine.

But because you can't because God has set it that righteousness shall always prevail over evil is why you are complaining.

If you stop being evil, you won't get crushed.

cornelboy:
Did Jesus teach trinity?.

Trinity is just a concept men come up with describing what they see.

It is no different from when people call a boy and girl who are always together "a couple"

StillDtruth:
If I was not mature to speak intellectually, then you would have used your intelligence to crush mine.
But because you can't because God has set it that righteousness shall always prevail over evil is why you are complaining. If you stop being evil, you won't get crushed.

Do you always address your parents as "MAD" each time they say what is contrary to your beliefs?

If you can't stop calling everyone "MAD" for holding a different opinion please stay away from me because i believe you don't address your parents as "MAD" for having a contrary opinion.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you always address your parents as "MAD" each time they say what is contrary to your beliefs?

You are not my parents and neither do they speak nor think like Mad people, if not younger ones will insalt them in every lawful way.

StillDtruth:
You are not my parents and neither do they speak nor think like Mad people, if not younger ones will insalt them

So if you can't address your parents as "MAD" and you don't know whether the commentator is older than your parents it's the same as calling your parents "MAD" when you keep saying it without sense!

MaxInDHouse:
So if you can't address your parents as "MAD" and you don't know whether the commentator is older than your parents it's the same as calling your parents "MAD" when you keep saying it without sense!

I told you if olders speak like mad people, younger ones will insalt and embarrass them and call them mad.

And you are not older than I am.

StillDtruth:
I told you if olders speak like mad people, younger ones will insalt and embarrass them and call them mad.
And you are not older than I am.

Are your parents "MAD"?

Because many religionists should be of that opinion if they don't believe what your parents believe!

MaxInDHouse:
Are your parents "MAD"?

Are you not Mad for repeating yourself?

MaxInDHouse:
Because many religionists should be of that opinion if they don't believe what your parents believe!

Is it not Madness to even think to ask the stupid question knowing that it is stupid, since you are old like a grown ups parent?

Even an ss 2 student knows that difference in opinion is not Madness, but that Madness is seen in how a person thinks and speaks.

Or are you that Mad that you do not know what Madness is? (Of which it is indeed proof of madness when you, an adult making communication like this, pretends not to know what Madness is)

StillDtruth:
Are you not Mad for repeating yourself?

Surely your parents are MAD!

StillDtruth:
Trinity is just a concept men come up with describing what they see.

It is no different from when people call a boy and girl who are always together "a couple"

What did the inspired Apostles and early church see?

Zaheertyler:
God the father or Christ?

It was Jehovah Jesus Christ that spoke to Moses.
Let's learn from the bible.
Exodus 6:3
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

We can see the clear distinction made here.
It was Jehovah who appeared unto Abraham, Isaac and Jacob but he came in the name of God the Almighty not in his own name Jehovah.

Jehovah is the God Moses introduced to Israel, the God of Israel.
That is why, David said, "The Lord said to my Lord.
He had a personal relationship with Christ hence he referred to His as his Lord. Jesus Christ is the Lord of Israel, the Jehovah of the old testament

Zaheertyler:
God the father or Christ?

Also note that Jesus Christ is the God of the old testament.

Zechariah 12:10
"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son."

Who was speaking here?
It was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament.

Note, Jesus Christ is equal to God according to the bible.
Philippians 2 from verse 5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

cornelboy:
What did the inspired Apostles and early church see?

They would only see the things that they have seen and reported. And note theirs is individual.

But we are seeing everything together as a big whole, so it is natural for concepts to be born like monotheism, polytheism, individuality, trinity etc.

All these are just collective pronouns men came up with

StillDtruth:
They would only see the things that they have seen and reported. And note theirs is individual.

But we are seeing everything together as a big whole, so it is natural for concepts to be born like monotheism, polytheism, individuality, trinity etc.

All these are just collective pronouns men came up with

Okay ser
I only believe in what Jesus and the inspired Apostles taught.

Only the Father is the one God there's

cornelboy:
Okay ser
I only believe in what Jesus and the inspired Apostles taught.

Only the Father is the one God there's

No Trinitarian says He is not.

All I think they are saying is that we should note that The LORD is also "our God".

By JW analysis also, Angels too are gods.

And the bible also shows that men are gods too. So what is the problem?