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Truthseeker10:
So you now agree that sheol is the Hebrew word rendered "Grave"?


Good.....Did you quote Ecclesiastics 9:10 from the Kjv translation?

King James translation is more realistic because Douay-Rheims Bible (DRB) was translated from the Latin Vulgate, which itself was a translation from Hebrew and Greek.

St. Jerome translated the Vulgate in the 4th century, and the DRB relied heavily on it rather than on original Greek and Hebrew texts.

King James Version (KJV): Translated directly from Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) manuscripts, primarily the Textus Receptus for the NT and the Masoretic Text for the OT.

The KJV is generally considered more accurate in terms of fidelity to the original Greek and Hebrew texts since it was directly translated from them.

The DRB, being based on the Latin Vulgate rather than the original languages, can introduce some interpretative nuances from the Latin tradition rather than from the original Greek and Hebrew.

Nnamdipapa:
King James translation is more realistic because Douay-Rheims Bible (DRB) was translated from the Latin Vulgate, which itself was a translation from Hebrew and Greek.

St. Jerome translated the Vulgate in the 4th century, and the DRB relied heavily on it rather than on original Greek and Hebrew texts.

King James Version (KJV): Translated directly from Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) manuscripts, primarily the Textus Receptus for the NT and the Masoretic Text for the OT.

The KJV is generally considered more accurate in terms of fidelity to the original Greek and Hebrew texts since it was directly translated from them.

The DRB, being based on the Latin Vulgate rather than the original languages, can introduce some interpretative nuances from the Latin tradition rather than from the original Greek and Hebrew.

In proverbs 27:20 in the kjv translation, what is the Hebrew word translated as hell?

King James Bible
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Truthseeker10:
The bible says that both good and bad people go to hell according to Ecclesiastics 9:10.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

Am not talking about hell or hades or Sheol, the residing place of the dead!!!

Am talking of "hell" - the residing place of demons🤨...

Gabrielshow24:
Am not talking about hell or hades or Sheol, the residing place of the dead!!!

Am talking of hell - the residing place of demons🤨...

What is the Hebrew or Greek word for the residing place of demons?

Gabrielshow24:
Am not talking about hell or hades or Sheol, the residing place of the dead!!!

Am talking of hell - the residing place of demons🤨...

Hahahahah! Now you pick and chose your type of hell, is that not interesting?

What you think or chose have nothing to do with the verse above my dear friend.

Nnamdipapa:
Hahahahah! Now you pick and chose your type of hell, is that not interesting?

What you think or chose have nothing to do with the verse above my dear friend.

Am not picking or choosing.
I intend to pass the concept of the habitation of fallen angels!!!

That's why I allude to a different concept under the same name "hell"

One is a residing place for dead souls and another is a residing place for fallen angels🙃

Nnamdipapa:
Hahahahah! Now you pick and chose your type of hell, is that not interesting?

What you think or chose have nothing to do with the verse above my dear friend.

After all in semantics, words can refer to two or more things!!!

Gabrielshow24:
After all in semantics, words can refer to two or more things!!!

Words usually have their original contextual meanings. Semantics are a play on words and their meanings.

Nnamdipapa:
Words usually have their original contextual meanings. Semantics are a play on words and their meanings.

In proverbs 27:20 in the kjv translation, what is the Hebrew word translated as hell?

King James Bible
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Truthseeker10:
In proverbs 27:20 in the kjv translation, what is the Hebrew word translated as hell?

King James Bible
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

The terms "Hell" (Sheol) and "Destruction" (Abaddon) refer to the grave and the afterlife, emphasizing their insatiable nature—death is never satisfied, as people continually pass away.

Isn't that self explanatory?

Nnamdipapa:
The terms "Hell" (Sheol) and "Destruction" (Abaddon) refer to the grave and the afterlife, emphasizing their insatiable nature—death is never satisfied, as people continually pass away.

Isn't that self explanatory?

What is the Hebrew word translated "Hell" in proverbs 27:20? That is the question.

Nnamdipapa:
I love his arguments but they have no basis in reality.

Are you talking about REALITY?

Well i think you are the one closing your eyes to the REALITY because the Bible God made a claim and He has proved it beyond all reasonable doubt that there is no other God beside Him.

The only thing you need to figure out is how REAL is this God?
Not what misinformed religionists are saying about Him!

MaxInDHouse:
Are you talking about REALITY?

Well i think you are the one closing your eyes to the REALITY because the Bible God made a claim and He has proved it beyond all reasonable doubt that there is no other God beside Him.

The only thing you need to figure out is how REAL is this God?
Not what misinformed religionists are saying about Him!

Give me just one claim from Bible and provide a real life irrefutable evidence of how that claim was proven beyond all reasonable doubts.?

The term "God" is a construct invented by men and nothing more.

I am waiting for you my friend.

Nnamdipapa:
The terms "Hell" (Sheol) and "Destruction" (Abaddon) refer to the grave and the afterlife, emphasizing their insatiable nature—death is never satisfied, as people continually pass away.

Isn't that self explanatory?

So if "hell" in Proverbs 27:20 is "sheol" and it refers to the "grave", why are you having an issue with duoay version of Ecclesiastics 9:10?

Nnamdipapa:
Give me just one claim from Bible and provide a real life irrefutable evidence of how that claim was proven beyond all reasonable doubts.?
The term "God" is a construct invented by men and nothing more.
I am waiting for you my friend.

What do you think?
A purported invisible being is said to have made some unrealistic promises only for these promises to start falling in place as if some radioactive force is dragging all those involved to act in line with these promises.

Do you think it's just a coincidence?

MaxInDHouse:
What do you think?
A purported invisible being is said to have made some unrealistic promises only for these promises to start falling into place as if some radioactive force is dragging all those involved to act in line with these promises.

Do you think it's just a coincidence?

You have not said anything to answer my question.

Nice deflection!

Nnamdipapa:
You have not said anything to answer my question. Nice deflection!

There is a lot in that post but it seems you just want answers whereas this requires that both of us use our brain to reason together intelligently.

MaxInDHouse:
There is a lot in that post but it seems you just want answers whereas this requires that both of us use our brain to reason together intelligently.

Ok. I will leave you be.

Nnamdipapa:
Ok. I will leave you be.

For your information the Bible God said He will use His Holy Spirit (Active Force) to gather all faithful people throughout the earth and make one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers with them.
What makes this promise unbelievable is that people often disagree due to racism, class and politics but then the Bible God said none of these can stop Him from achieving His goal.
Today what God promised back then has come to REALITY but if your attention is not called you won't notice it!

MaxInDHouse:
For your information the Bible God said He will use His Holy Spirit (Active Force) to gather all faithful people throughout the earth and make one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers with them.
What makes this promise unbelievable is that people often disagree due to racism, class and politics but then the Bible God said none of these can stop Him from achieving His goal.
Today what God promised back then has come to REALITY but if your attention is not called you won't notice it!

You believe a spirit/ghost is holy?

You see the damage religion has done to our people.

Nnamdipapa:
You believe a spirit/ghost is holy?
You see the damage religion has done to our people.

Hmmmmmmm, i never use the word "GHOST" in any of my posts this is my seven years on Nairaland.

Do you now see how religion has misled you?

Nnamdipapa:
You have not said anything to answer my question.

Nice deflection!

Oga answer this one.

So if "hell" in Proverbs 27:20 is "sheol" and it refers to the "grave", why are you having an issue with duoay version of Ecclesiastics 9:10?

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmm, i never use the word "GHOST" in any of my posts this is my seven years on Nairaland.

Do you now see how religion has misled you?

I know, you like semantics and playing on words so you brilliantly avoided the term "ghost". I know the doctrines of JW my friend and nothing new.

[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=134281663]Oga answer this one.

Ok, let's start with considerations of the both translations.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 (Douay-Rheims)

"Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening."

Ecclesiastes 9:10 (KJV)

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

These are some of the key differences I want you to learn:

Translation of "Sheol"
The KJV translates "Sheol" as "grave", emphasizing death as a state of inactivity.

The Douay-Rheims translates it as "hell", following the Latin Vulgate, which often used "infernum" (hell).

This leads to confusion because "hell" in modern English suggests eternal torment, whereas "Sheol" simply means the realm of the dead.

Context of Ecclesiastes 9:10
Ecclesiastes emphasizes that in Sheol (the grave), there is no consciousness, planning, or work—which aligns with the KJV's "grave".

If "hell" is used in the modern Christian sense (a place of eternal torment), then the Douay-Rheims wording could mislead readers.

The Douay-Rheims, following the Vulgate, sometimes translates "Sheol" as "hell," which reflects Catholic theological tradition rather than strict Hebrew meanings.

Nnamdipapa:
I know, you like semantics and playing on words so you brilliantly avoided the term "ghost". I know the doctrines of JW my friend and nothing new.

Jehovah's Witnesses!

That's the indisputable evidence of God's existence if you care to make your own investigation!

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses!

That's the indisputable evidence of God's existence if you care to make your own investigation!

"Idisputable" how?

Because Russel says?

Nnamdipapa:
Ok, let's start with considerations of the both translations.

Ecclesiastes 9:10 (Douay-Rheims)

"Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening."

Ecclesiastes 9:10 (KJV)

"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest."

These are some of the key differences I want you to learn:

Translation of "Sheol"
The KJV translates "Sheol" as "grave", emphasizing death as a state of inactivity.

The Douay-Rheims translates it as "hell", following the Latin Vulgate, which often used "infernum" (hell).

This leads to confusion because "hell" in modern English suggests eternal torment, whereas "Sheol" simply means the realm of the dead.

Context of Ecclesiastes 9:10
Ecclesiastes emphasizes that in Sheol (the grave), there is no consciousness, planning, or work—which aligns with the KJV's "grave".

If "hell" is used in the modern Christian sense (a place of eternal torment), then the Douay-Rheims wording could mislead readers.

The Douay-Rheims, following the Vulgate, sometimes translates "Sheol" as "hell," which reflects Catholic theological tradition rather than strict Hebrew meanings.

Oga you are funny oo.

Are we talking of modern English or what the Bible says about Hell? According to the Bible, is Sheol translated correctly to as "hell" and "grave"? Or are you saying that Sheol has two meanings?

Nnamdipapa:
"Idisputable" how?
Because Russel says?

From Moses to Malachi and from Jesus to Russell i'm sure you don't believe any of them or whatever any book say about them so leave these people out of what we are saying.

The Bible God promised to unite faithful people in all nations and make them as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Forget about Adam, Moses, Jesus or Russell because we never met any of these people but today Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered people in all the nations of the earth and they are fulfilling this prophecy.

So it's what Jehovah's Witnesses are achieving today that makes me believe whatever is written in that book: Bible

Otherwise i won't believe in any God!

MaxInDHouse:
From Moses to Malachi and from Jesus to Russell i'm sure you don't believe any of them or whatever any book say about them so leave these people out of what we are saying.

The Bible God promised to unite faithful people in all nations and make them as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Forget about Adam, Moses, Jesus or Russell because we never met any of these people but today Jehovah's Witnesses have gathered people in all the nations of the earth and they are fulfilling this prophecy.

So it's what Jehovah's Witnesses are achieving today that makes me believe whatever is written in that book: Bible

Otherwise i won't believe in any God!

A Book written by men like you and I and, you actually believe there is any God who promised anything?

I am blown away!

Nnamdipapa:
A Book written by men like you and I and, you actually believe there is any God who promised anything?
I am blown away!

Of course i believe because what was written thousands of years ago is now been fulfilled in my own eyes by Jehovah's Witnesses!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course i believe because what was written thousands of years ago is now been fulfilled in my own eyes by Jehovah's Witnesses!

And yet, you fail to mention just one written thing that is being fulfilled now. Is there any reason for that?

Nnamdipapa:
And yet, you fail to mention just one written thing that is being fulfilled now. Is there any reason for that?

People from all nations will form a group and they will use what they found in the Bible to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

That is the prophecy!

Had it been this group called Jehovah's Witnesses has been in existence for thousands of years i may not believe it because i will say they've been planning how to achieve this thing all these while but it's just within 150 years ago that this group started exactly as the Bible says {Isaiah 2:2} and they are fulfilling what is written in that book called Bible!