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Antichristian2:
Satan for try am na! Is that temptation? Turn stone to bread! Bow down and worship me! Jump from high place angels will protect you!

Kill Mary!

Kill Joseph!

Kill all his disciples!

Let him be alone like Job!

Jesus go follow the Romans!

Antichristian2:
The God Jesus worshipped!

delkuf:
you cannot indulge Muslim into Christianity. It cannot work. There are two different thing. One is good the other is bad. Jesus only worshipped God the Father. Allah is a dead God.

delkuf:
na you know that one ooooo. The devil don tempt Jesus the way he know, Jesus don overcome the devil, you come dey here dey cry. Make you go tempt Jesus abi. If the devil nor do well, go do well. I nor know wetin your problem. Something when don happened before dey born your ancestors, you dey think because you don know small English, go come dey feel dey nor do am well. God go help you last last

Antichristian2:
At least we agree Jesus can do nothing by himself!

And that he was sent by someone superior to him.

That's ok!

Antichristian2:
Allah was not created. He created all things including Jesus and Jesus's mother! And Jesus was praying to him while on earth!

Allah created death so He is above dying!

It is only the biblical God that dies!

delkuf:
Allah is a dead god. Stop mixing Christianity with Muslim. It cannot work.

Antichristian2:
It's only Christians that believes that a God can die among the common abrahimic faiths!

Allah created death so it doesn't befit His majesty to die as death is beneath Him.

It is only in Christianity that God dies, raised, God is given birth to, God drank breast milk, God is beaten, God wept, etc.

delkuf:
man sinned and it is only a human being like man that can pay for the sins of man. A spirit cannot pay for the sins of man. So God has to become a man for him to pay for the sins of man. So he came to earth, left all his glory and his throne and came to this world as a man to pay for the sins of man. So yes in Christianity God died as a human being and rose as a human being, today we are saved. That is Christianity

Antichristian2:
Is Jesus too not a sinner since he was born of man?

All man has sinned....

Jesus will have to inherit original sin if he becomes a man!

He is not a man if he doesn't inherit it. So essentially he is a sinner!

And God did forgave sins without blood sacrifice many times!

delkuf:
JESUS never sinned though he came to died for our sins.Hebrew4:15 says though was tempted but he didn't sin. Though he lived here on earth as a man but he never sinned.

Antichristian2:
So "All man has sinned and come short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23) is a lie from Paul?

Or is it that Jesus is not a man?

delkuf:
Jesus never sinned. He bore our sin, so if look at it from that angle, we can say he is a sinner but as a man that lived here on earth, he was tempted and he didn't sin

Antichristian2:
He didn't sin but he inherited sin by being born a man right?

delkuf:
yes. He inherited the sin of man because that is what he came to achieve on earth. That was his destiny. To die for the sins of mankind

Antichristian2:
He died for the sins of mankind, which mankind those before him or those after him?

Does that mean that God created mankind to always sin and there's nothing he can do that to kill himself to redeem his mistake?

delkuf:
God never created man to disobeyed. And through that disobedience sin entered into the world. It is only through the death and resurrection of man that the sins of man can be forgiven. So Jesus did it for us. He did it for the world

Antichristian2:
God created Adam and put the tree he's not supposed to eat from close to him!

If God didn't want him to sin then the tree won't be created!

Antichristian2:
There are many instances where Jesus acknowledged God, prayed to Him, and demonstrated His relationship with God. This collection highlights various moments in the New Testament that reflect Jesus' acknowledgment of God and his own helplessness!

1. Jesus Praying Before Healing:
John 11:41-42: "So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, 'Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.'"

Why was God praying before healing? If God sent Jesus then isn't he a messenger? Why is he letting people see him pray to God? How many Gods have you seen pray to another God?

2. Jesus Praying in A[b]Ah! Ah! Jesus came to die, he come dey pray make the death pass am! God suppose pray? God dey die? God even dey turn human? What he unaware of his mission to die again?

3. Jesus on the Cross:
Matthew 27:46: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"

So Jesus was calling a superior God when suffer enter am! Jesus is even calling on God accusing him of forsaking him! Isn't he God again?

4. Temptation by Satan:
Matthew 4:9-10: "And he said to him, 'All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.' Then Jesus said to him, 'Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."'"

Was Satan trying to coax God to worship him? I mean Satan according to Job 1 appeared before God with the sons of God to whine God to tempt Job! He should have seen Jesus beside God back then! He didn't recognise God wey turn man! And Jesus was even saying only God alone deserves all worship. Satan no get respect o! Satan later took God to the highest

5. Jesus Acknowledging God as His Father:
John 20:17: "Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."'"

Again, how can Jesus who is a God have another God? If the father is a God to the son, is the son also a God to the father? In Isaiah 45:5, Yahweh siad "I am the LORD (YHWH), and there is no other; there is no God but Me. In Deuteronomy 4:35,
"You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him."
Also in Deuteronomy 32:39, "See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand".

6. Jesus Teaching people to call God in heaven:
Matthew 6:9: "Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.'"

Why is Jesus urging them to pray to the father in heaven when the son is on earth and the son and father are together and one?
I still don't understand why Jesus, a God that became man kept praying to God throughout his life time. I would say he was the only God that had another God he prays in times of need!

Antichristian2:
There are many instances where Jesus acknowledged God, prayed to Him, and demonstrated His relationship with God. This collection highlights various moments in the New Testament that reflect Jesus' acknowledgment of God and his own helplessness!

1. Jesus Praying Before Healing:
John 11:41-42: "So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, 'Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.'"

Why was God praying before healing? If God sent Jesus then isn't he a messenger? Why is he letting people see him pray to God? How many Gods have you seen pray to another God?

2. Jesus Praying in Agony:
Matthew 26:39: "And going a little farther, he fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.'"

Luke 22:42: "Saying, 'Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.'"

Ah! Ah! Jesus came to die, he come dey pray make the death pass am! God suppose pray? God dey die? God even dey turn human? What he unaware of his mission to die again?

3. Jesus on the Cross:
Matthew 27:46: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"

So Jesus was calling a superior God when suffer enter am! Jesus is even calling on God accusing him of forsaking him! Isn't he God again?

4. Temptation by Satan:
Matthew 4:9-10: "And he said to him, 'All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.' Then Jesus said to him, 'Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."'"

Was Satan trying to coax God to worship him? I mean Satan according to Job 1 appeared before God with the sons of God to whine God to tempt Job! He should have seen Jesus beside God back then! He didn't recognise God wey turn man! And Jesus was even saying only God alone deserves all worship. Satan no get respect o! Satan later took God to the highest

5. Jesus Acknowledging God as His Father:
John 20:17: "Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."'"

Again, how can Jesus who is a God have another God? If the father is a God to the son, is the son also a God to the father? In Isaiah 45:5, Yahweh siad "I am the LORD (YHWH), and there is no other; there is no God but Me. In Deuteronomy 4:35,
"You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him."
Also in Deuteronomy 32:39, "See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand".

6. Jesus Teaching people to call God in heaven:
Matthew 6:9: "Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.'"

Why is Jesus urging them to pray to the father in heaven when the son is on earth and the son and father are together and one?
I still don't understand why Jesus, a God that became man kept praying to God throughout his life time. I would say he was the only God that had another God he prays in times of need!

Sand2022:
Jesus on earth was also human. Jesus had two roles he served and operated on both, this is why it is hard to see him as God. That's understandable.

Secondly, in trinitarian theology, The Father occupy a Monarchical role. Although they are of the same nature, the Father occupies a higher role. But as to his praying, that is necessary in view of his humanity.

That helps you understand that Jesus was fulfilling a role as a human. Judging all he did as a human is not all there is to Jesus.

That answers the following:

He knew whom Jesus was. Furthermore, he also knows Jesus Christ created him. But he also knows that Jesus now occupies a new role. He was not in his divine state. He was flesh and subject to limitations of the flesh.

I don't know your understanding of Trinity, but Trinity doesn't mean the father and Jesus are the same person.

Those words you see are from God, true, but you might be surprised to know that Jesus could probably be the one making that statement. We see this happen at Isaiah 6:1-3. While it is said that Isaiah saw Jehovah's glory, it was in fact Jesus who was there as Jehovah. John 10:41

This is why we need to understand that Jesus in his Redemptive role is different from his Divinity. It is confusing, I didn't understand it that way before, but this understanding harmonizes the bible.

It still boils down to his Redemptive role. You will see Jesus say God created humans male and female as if he knows nothing about it, when in reality he didn't just make man, but they were made in his image. (Gen 1:26). He and his father doesn't have two images, rather, one image.

If we don't understand this God this way, we have many scriptures to battle with.