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Kobojunkie:
To those living in the land of Canaan at the time, faith applied equally to all— they were all required to trust and obey the Law of the land— the Law of Moses which was the National Constitution. Those of them who did enjoyed the benefits conferred on them by the Law.

From the write-up, it is not definite that the centurion was an Israelite; the passage spoke only of his faith which we also learn in the same Gospels that the Ishmaelite who was made whole after first being healed of leprosy and the Canaanite woman equally had.

Another benefit that was available to foreigners was access to food from the pantry in the land, i.e. the foods that were brought into the temple as well as the unharvested foods left on the fields by farming, were available to foreigners in the land— crumbs from the master's table as described by the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15.

2. Grafting has always been born of religious delusions and nothing else, more specifically the desire by many to usurp that which was never available to them.

Truthseeker10:
➜So what did Jesus say in MATTHEW 22:24 when she asked for a miracle?
➜What does the "holy things" involve?

Kobojunkie:
1. You can read it for yourself, can't you?

2. According to the Canaanite woman, miracles were breadcrumbs that fell from the master's table. And we equally learned from Jesus Christ of Israel that that which is holy should not be given to the dogs — non-Israelites— as the dogs would merely trample them and then turn and tear His followers. The Canaanite woman received healing and went away joyful— no tearing or trampling. It would not be wrong to deduce what she received was not a "holy thing" since it is did not illicit in her— a dog— the behavior suggested by Jesus Christ.

thesolutions:
➜The Canaanite woman who arguments has it that she was addressed as a dog by faith received healing for her troubled daughter from Jesus which was regarded as crumbs by scholars like yourself. Was it on record that she attained the status you mentioned above to enjoy benevolence from Jesus?
➜ Again, you did not provide any references where Jesus said non Israelites who resides in Israel and keep the law shall enjoy the promised kingdom with Israel.
➜ Jesus of Israel did mention that people would no longer worship in Jerusalem again but in spirit and in truth. He mentioned that where two or three gather in his name, he would be in their midst. Does that mean the gathering must be in Israel and must they be Israelites.But Jesus did mention that non Israelites obtained what the prophets hoped for by faith.
➜Until you can explain the faith of the Canaanite woman or that of the centurion that gave them access to your imaginary crumbs, you are only assuming while hoping to be right.
➜ Graphing is what you called religious delusion. But it was same Jesus of Israel that mentioned that.

Antichristian2:
So Jesus wasn't sent to the sinners again? Are the Saducees and Pharisees not among the sinners he was sent to? You sabi manipulate texts o! Jesus did preach to all of them. Infact they did sent people to question Jesus and he answered them.

Antichristian2:
Allah didn't speak to the people of Noah! They had to listen to the Prophet sent to them to be saved in the ark!

Truthseeker10:
➜😂😂😂kobo kobo...if the woman said that miracles were breadcrumbs, what did Jesus say that Miracle was in Matthew 22:26?

Kobojunkie:
According to the books of the Gospel, the same Jesus Christ equally made clear through direct word — figures of speech included — that He was sent by His Father only to the bloodline of Jacob.

⚉ In John 6 vs 37-38, Jesus Christ proclaimed, "The Father gives me my people. Every one of them will come to me. I will always accept them. I came down from heaven to do what God wants, not what I want." This statement invariably means Jesus Christ of Israel had no choice in picking the people that would be His; His Father is the one who made the decision as far as the people Jesus Christ was sent.
⚉ In Matthew 15 vs 20, Jesus Christ announced that He was sent by His Father only to the Lost Sheep of Israel— the bloodline of Jacob. By this, He officially declared Himself savior to the race of Israelites and not of any other race — Jesus Christ of Israel.
⚉ In John 3 vs 14 - 18, we learn from Jesus Christ of Israel that the people whom His Father loves — YHWH(God of Israel) were the very same people whom Moses, who was sent before Him, raised the Serpent in the desert to save. He went on to describe them as " the World"(a metonymy, a figure of speech, used as a reference to the condemned of Israel), which God loved.
⚉ In Matthew 7 vs. 6, Jesus Christ of Israel openly warned His followers against giving what is Holy to the dogs — non-Israelites— declaring the dogs incapable of handling that which is Holy — they are unqualified to do so.
⚉ In Matthew 10 vs. 1 - 6, when Jesus Christ of Israel had the opportunity to send His disciples out to announce the Kingdom of God, He sent them only to the Israelites.
⚉ Then, in Matthew 28 vs. 16-20 and Mark 16 s 15 - 18, applying the same metonymy he had earlier used, Jesus Christ of Israel dispersed His followers into the World which He had previously described to His followers.
⚉ To seal it all, in Luke 24, Jesus Christ proclaimed that His Word is Everlasting meaning it can never be changed ---- not by Him, or any human being even after He is dead and gone.

YHWH bestowed on Himself the title of "God of Israel", and this as He gave the name "Israel" only to the man named Jacob. Jesus Christ of Israel, himself a descendant of the bloodline of Jacob who is called Israel, NEVER indicated that He was sent to or came to save non-Israelites. The lie that He did was fabricated entirely by those of the religions of Christianity and Islam.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ of Israel said nothing of miracles in Matthew 22 vs 26.

What is this obsession for abeg? Even Naaman, a Syrian army commander, is reported to have been to have been healed —a miracle— and he was a non-Israelite. Are we to conclude that because Naaman was caused to receive a miracle, therefore Naaman had to have been an Israelite? Or do we simply go all out and condemn YHWH as a liar since He claimed He is God only of Israel? What the heck is this fixation with attaching holiness to miracles.

Thankgod89:
➜Jesus' initial focus was on Israel, fulfilling God’s covenant with them first. However, His mission was always to bring salvation to the entire world. The story of the Canaanite woman actually demonstrates that faith in Christ is what grants access to God's grace, regardless of ethnicity.
➜ His mission was always intended to extend beyond Israel. Consider these verses:
1. John 3:16 – “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
2. Matthew 28:19 – “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations...” (The Great Commission)
3. Acts 1:8 – Jesus tells His disciples they will be His witnesses “in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
4. Isaiah 49:6 (a prophecy about the Messiah) – “I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”
➜ Unless you have any counterarguments against the scriptural verses above, Jesus' mission to Israel was directly tied to fulfilling God's covenant, as clearly stated in Scripture.

Truthseeker10:
➜So where did the Canaanite woman mention miracles as breadcrumbs oga kobo😂😂😂?

Kobojunkie:
It seems to me that this is just an attempt to drag me around in circles. I will get off this bus at this point. Good luck!

Kobojunkie:
Stop regurgitating what is an obvious religious lie that you and many billions of you non-Israelites have been fed abeg!

2. Absolutely none of the verses you quoted support this ridiculous lie religion has traded for over 1600 years now. It is time you drop the delusion and salvage whatever is left of your life.

3. The same verses you quoted serve as an indictment against you and your religious lies though.

Thankgod89:
✓ It's clear that you lack understanding of Scripture and simply choose to contribute negatively without adding any meaningful insight.

Kobojunkie:
Stop with the ignorant religious rambling abeg!

Antichristian2:
New International Version
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

New Living Translation
Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”

BlackViper:
Matthew 28:16-20

Jesus came up and spoke to them. He said, 'All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, make disciples of all the nations; baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teach them to observe all the commands I gave you.

MaxInDHouse:
Read the text and try to assimilate:

These 12 Jesus sent out, giving them these instructions: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-6

Samaritans are Israelites so what does he mean by this statement if you know?

Do you think i'm so dump sir?
You can't deceive me with this o!

In John 4: 7 Jesus met the Samaritan woman and many Samaritans believed in him in John 4:39-42.

Jesus had already captured them according to your Bible!

So why go there again?

Good!
So let Muhammad come and speak to people after all you claim he is the Noah of our time shey?

Antichristian2:
Do you think i'm a mumu ni sir?
You can deceive me with this o!

In John 4: 7 Jesus met the Samaritan woman and many Samaritans believed in him in John 4:39-42.

Jesus had already captured them according to your Bible!

So why go there again?

Allah has revelaed the Qur'an. Muhammad recited the Qur'an till he died. The Qur'an and the sunnah of the Prophet is the law of Islam till eternity. Muhammad won't come and talk to you. Na only Governing body of JW go talk to you in the language you understand!

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂so the Koran is for everyone but the bible is not for everyone?

Antichristian2:
Was the Bible written for everyone?

Was even Jesus aware of the entire Bible as it is today?

The Qur'an was recited during the lifetime of Muhammad.

The Torah was recited during the lifetime of Moses!

Was the New Testament recited during the lifetime of Jesus?

Antichristian2:
This is great. Who gave him the authority? His God!

In John 5:30, Jesus states, "I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."

So Jesus has no authority of himself.

Secondly, Jesus told them to baptise people in the name of the father , son and holy spirit. But the disciples baptised in the name of Jesus only in Acts below:

Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. Acts 2:38-41:

“Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. Acts 10:47-48:

And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 19:4-5:

You can see everything has been changed!
And finally the nations of Israel is spread over so it is understandable that this is what Jesus meant. Jesus didn't lie that was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.

BlackViper:
Imagine ignoring all the verses leading up to John 5:30 because they destroy your lying narrative!😂

John 5:19

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of His own accord, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

In the very words of Christ, His power and authority as the Son is EXACTLY the same as His Father's.

An ordinary creation cannot claim to have the same authority and power as God does.

Jesus Christ can do so because HE IS GOD!

BlackViper:
Imagine ignoring all the verses leading up to John 5:30 because they destroy your lying narrative!😂

John 5:19

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of His own accord, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

In the very words of Christ, His power and authority as the Son is EXACTLY the same as His Father's.

An ordinary creation cannot claim to have the same authority and power as God does.

Jesus Christ can do so because HE IS GOD!

In Acts 2:38 and Acts 10:47, Peter and Paul were speaking to faithful Jewish people who already had an understanding of God the Father and God’s Spirit.

The part of the equation that they were missing was Jesus, the Son of God—and without Jesus, they could not be saved (Acts 4:12).

In presenting the gospel to the Jews, Peter commands them to be baptized in Jesus’ name; that is, to exercise faith in the One they had crucified.

They had already professed the Father and the Spirit, but they also needed to profess the Son. Those who received the gospel that day devoted themselves to the lordship of Jesus. They no longer rejected Him but acknowledged Him as their Messiah and only Hope for salvation.

It was only through accepting Christ as their Savior that the full trinitarian salvation commanded by Christ when He said: Baptise In the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit could be achieved by these Jews.

Antichristian2:
This is even worse! So can we say Jesus died when he saw the father died?

If the father's power is the same as that of the son, then the father should have come to save humans not the son! And the son shouldn't have claimed the father is greater than him. And why is Jesus always praying to the father? Getting authority from the father? Doing the father's will? Can equal persons send each other messages where one is the sender and the other is the messenger?

Do Equal Gods worship one another? If Jesus worshipped the father, where did the father worshipped Jesus?

Jesus died! Can the father and the spirit too die? When did they die?

Even if they had an understanding of God the father (which i doubt any Jew recognises the word God the father) the disciples should have followed Jesus's command to baptise the people in the name of the father, son and the holy spirit. It is an express command which they didn't obey!

This casts an aspersion on the book of Matthew. Did that event actually happened? Did Jesus really tell them to baptise in the name of the trinity? Will the disciples disobey Jesus if he truly had said that?

Truthseeker10:
So if the Koran was recited by Mohammed, what is my concern with the Koran today? Why should I read what Mohammed recited?

Was Mohammed sent to me?

Antichristian2:
The Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad and he was unlettered. The Qur'an is the final book after the Torah and Injeel.
Muhammad was sent to the world of mankind and Unseen Jinns from his time till the world ends!

He was sent to you and me!

Truthseeker10:
So where is Mohammed today?

Antichristian2:
He is in the afterlife!

Truthseeker10:
Did Jesus mention trinity In the book of Matthew?

Was Mohammed sent to me?

Antichristian2:
Trinity was not mentioned anywhere in the Bible!

Yes, Muhammad was sent to all humans and Jinns!

Truthseeker10:
So how can he preach to me now since he was sent to me?

Antichristian2:
His traditions exist.

The reason Allah gave you the huge brain is for you to be able to think!

Muhammad has lived his own life here and left the Qur'an and his traditions for our salvation.