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Glycolysis:
So which human nature did Mary inherit from David,she being a descendent ?
We are heading for an interesting topic,hence I will need your detail answer to the question above..

If i say u lack understanding it will seem i just dont like u.

are there different human natures? Jesus had the same human nature like me, except sin. the same human nature we all have. if Jesus didnt have it then he isnt the messiah he could never redeem us unless he is like us.

Ubenedictus:
If i say u lack understanding it will seem i just dont like u.

are there different human natures? Jesus had the same human nature like me, except sin. the same human nature we all have. if Jesus didnt have it then he isnt the messiah he could never redeem us unless he is like us.

You don't need to like me..

Great input from you...
Jesus got our human nature , felt the pains we felt & was tempted as we are always tempted,only that he did not inherit the sinful nature ( adamic nature ) of the fallen man.

Am actually learning from you...

Please what do you understand about the immaculate conception of Mary & how that relate to Jesus ..

Oh sorry,do you actually believe in the immaculate conception of Mary ?

Funny question on my part to ask,when I knew from the outset that you're a Roman catholic..but I will still appreciate your respond here since I'm dealing with just an individual.

Glycolysis:
You don't need to like me..

Great input from you...
Jesus got our human nature , felt the pains we felt & was tempted as we are always tempted,only that he did not inherit the sinful nature ( adamic nature ) of the fallen man.

Am actually learning from you...

Please what do you understand about the immaculate conception of Mary & how that relate to Jesus ..

Oh sorry,do you actually believe in the immaculate conception of Mary ?

Funny question on my part to ask,when I knew from the outset that you're a Roman catholic..but I will still appreciate your respond here since I'm dealing with just an individual.

please remind me how the immaculate conception relates to this topic, why not open a thread for that.

Good

NO.
NO OTHER LIKE OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

orisa37:
NO.
NO OTHER LIKE OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

BUT YOU CAN ASK THE CARPENTER HOW HE GOT JUDE?

Mark 6 Yahushua left there and went to his home town, accompanied by his disciples. 2 When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed.

‘Where did this man get these things?’ they asked. ‘What’s this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing? 3 Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?’ And they took offence at him.

Matthew 13: 53 When Yahushua had finished these parables, he moved on from there. 54 Coming to his home town, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. ‘Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?’ they asked. 55 ‘Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56 Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?’ 57 And they took offence at him.
But Yahushua said to them, ‘A prophet is not without honour except in his own town and in his own home.’

John 7: After this, Yahushua went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him. 2 But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, 3 Yahushua's brothers said to him, ‘Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do. 4 No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.’ 5 For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

Mosesalex, you are wrong.

MosesAlex:
➜There is a common question, did Mary have any other children?
Many quote Mt 13:55 that list the brothers of Jesus.
See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may you may understand that these are sons of Alpheus (Two of them are apostles).
The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.
Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)
Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).
Hence the brothers are simply his relatives. Since their Mother is a sister to Mary the Mother of Jesus

First of all, your supposed point is quite hard to follow.

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⚈ Matthew 13 vs 55 does list Jesus Christ's brothers as James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, but it does not indicate that they were a part of his gang of disciples.
⚈ John 19 vs 25 instead indicates that Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, and her sister, along with Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene, stood near the cross. It does not state that Mary(the wife of Clopas) was her sister.
⚈ James and Jude mentioned in Luke 6 vs 15 - 20 could not have been the blood brothers of Jesus Christ mentioned in Matthew 13 vs 55 for obvious reasons.
⚈ Mark 15 vs 40 mentions Mary Magdalene, Salome, and Mary the mother of James and Joses. (James was her youngest son.) as some of the women who were there at the cross that day.

Second, none of what is presented above can be used to conclude that Mary, mother of Jesus Christ, did not have other children. You may want to hold this view but none of the above serves as proof of this notion of yours.

CharlieMaria:
How does preaching that she has other children help our salvation?Yet you gladly subscribe to such false teachings.

Was she not allowed to have other children, though?

Kobojunkie:
First of all, your supposed point is quite hard to follow.

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⚈ Matthew 13 vs 55 does list Jesus Christ's brothers as James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, but it does not indicate that they were a part of his gang of disciples.
⚈ John 19 vs 25 instead indicates that Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, and her sister, along with Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene, stood near the cross. It does not state that Mary(the wife of Clopas) was her sister.
⚈ James and Jude mentioned in Luke 6 vs 15 - 20 could not have been the blood brothers of Jesus Christ mentioned in Matthew 13 vs 55 for obvious reasons.
⚈ Mark 15 vs 40 mentions Mary Magdalene, Salome, and Mary the mother of James and Joses. (James was her youngest son.) as some of the women who were there at the cross that day.

Second, none of what is presented above can be used to conclude that Mary, mother of Jesus Christ, did not have other children. You may want to hold this view but none of the above serves as proof of this notion of yours.

Read John 19: 25 again you, It's either you didn't get the punctuation right or if you did , I would like to know the version of the Bible you are quoting from.

Secondly: Gal 1:19 clearly indicates an Apostle James as the brother of Jesus. How come you are silent about that .

MosesAlex:
➜ Read John 19: 25 again you, I either didn't get the punctuation right or if you did , I would like to know the version of the Bible you are quoting from.
➜Secondly: Gal 1:19 clearly indicates an Apostle James as the brother of Jesus. How come you are silent about that .

This is what is written in John 19 vs 25

25 Jesus’ mother stood near his cross. Her sister was also standing there with Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 Jesus saw his mother. He also saw the follower he loved very much standing there. He said to his mother, “Dear woman, here is your son.”
27 Then he said to the follower, “Here is your mother.” So after that, this follower took Jesus’ mother to live in his home. - John 19 vs 25 - 27

I don't know about you, but I think it would have been weird if Mary and her sister were both named Mary.

2. I intentionally disregard the content of Paul's letter here to focus instead on the relationships between these individuals previously established in the Gospels. It is utmost to clearly grasp those first before venturing into deciphering any other ideas that may have been presented later on.

Kobojunkie:
This is what is written in John 19 vs 25
I don't know about you, but I think it would have been weird if Mary and her sister were both named Mary.

2. I intentionally disregard the content of Paul's letter here to focus instead on the relationships between these individuals previously established in the Gospels. It is utmost to clearly grasp those first before venturing into deciphering any other ideas that may have been presented later on.

Intentional disregarding an argument, is not an argument. You disregarded the two questions I asked you. Probably I should just disregard responding to you.

MosesAlex:
➜Intentional disregarding an argument, is not an argument. You disregarded the two questions I asked you. Probably I should just disregard responding to you.

1. I expressly responded to both of your questions. Are you instead unsatisfied because you did not get the exact response you desired? As for version, I don't see why it should matter what version of the book you pick up when the Greek texts can be consulted in this.

Kobojunkie:
1. I expressly responded to both of your questions. Are you instead unsatisfied because you did not get the exact response you desired? As for version, I don't see why it should matter what version of the book you pick up when the Greek texts can be consulted in this.

There several English translations of the John 19:25. Can you share a version that supports your translation from Greek?

Here are about 24 translations in the link below. https://biblehub.com/john/19-25.htm.

You are not getting your Greek translation right.


Also the word sister or brother in Greek is not unique to blood brother. It also refers to cousins, even nephews.

The Greek word for brother is Adelphos.
However, <adelphos> does not just mean blood brothers born of the same parents. Rather, <adelphos> was used to describe brothers not born of the same parents, like a halfbrother or stepbrother. The word also described other relationships, like cousins, nephews, etc.

For example, in Gn 13:8 and 14:1416, the word <adelphos> was used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot; however, these two men did not share a brother relationship, but one of uncle and nephew. Another instance is that of Laban, who was an <adelphos> to Jacob, not as a brother, but as an uncle.


Also for the first 200 years of Christianity, the early Christians and Church fathers knew this fact. You may do your research.



Also, Our Lord Jesus gave his mother to John to take care of. And why not His younger siblings? It was because He was an only child of His mother.

MosesAlex:
➜There several English translations of the John 19:25. Can you share a version that supports your translation from Greek? Here are about 24 translations in the link below. https://biblehub.com/john/19-25.htm. You are not getting your Greek translation right.
➜ Also the word sister or brother in Greek is not unique to blood brother. It also refers to cousins, even nephews. The Greek word for brother is Adelphos. However, <adelphos> does not just mean blood brothers born of the same parents. Rather, <adelphos> was used to describe brothers not born of the same parents, like a halfbrother or stepbrother. The word also described other relationships, like cousins, nephews, etc.
➜ For example, in Gn 13:8 and 14:1416, the word <adelphos> was used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot; however, these two men did not share a brother relationship, but one of uncle and nephew. Another instance is that of Laban, who was an <adelphos> to Jacob, not as a brother, but as an uncle.
➜Also for the first 200 years of Christianity, the early Christians and Church fathers knew this fact. You may do your research.
➜ Also, Our Lord Jesus gave his mother to John to take care of. And why not His younger siblings? It was because He was an only child of His mother.

I don't do Bible versions. I consult the Greek/Hebrew and go from there. So, you tell me exactly what you find wrong with what is stated there in the Greek, and we go from there. As the image again shows, Mary(Jesus's mother) was said to have been there by the cross with many women, including one who was noted as a sister and two others who also bore the name Mary.

2. This argument does not make sense to me at all. You claim that Mary did not have other children. However, if we are to follow your particular argument so far, then your claim cannot be said to hold on the very grounds that the book neither explicitly states that she had other children, nor does it state that she didn't.

The question here is why do you feel the need to insist that Mary had no other children apart from Jesus Christ when the Books don't corroborate this idea of yours.

3. Leave Genesis out of this since the Hebrew writings do not help you in this.

4. Your 200 years of Christianity have absolutely nothing to do with what is written in the Bible. So, trash that attempt completely.

5. Jesus Christ never gave His mother to anyone. He merely indicated, probably along the lines of His teachings in Matthew 12 vs 46-50, Luke 8 vs 21 & Mark 3 vs 33- 35 , that Mary and James were linked according to the rules which He set.