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MaxInDHouse:
This one don come dey quote everyone dey yarn whether you follow am tok or not:

Max is jealous! 😏It’s like you’re the unofficial spokesperson for the peanut gallery! Keep it up; maybe one day you’ll get a medal for participation in the art of unsolicited commentary! 😂

Gabrielshow24:
Max is jealous! 😏It’s like you’re the unofficial spokesperson for the peanut gallery! Keep it up; maybe one day you’ll get a medal for participation in the art of unsolicited commentary! 😂

You don forget sey na my thread and na only Sand2022 i invited shey?

Gabrielshow24:
Why not use the remaining braincell you have to recognize how flawed your thinking is? 🤔 It’s truly pathetic that some men still reason like cavemen! 🤦🏾‍♂️

LIAR!
You no dey go church nah to argue you dey.
On Sunday wey be Palm Sunday you dey Nairaland dey type from 9am to 12pm and to worsen your matter you never drop one single thread at least to preach what you believe for everyone to know where you belong.

Ọmọ you be atheist!

MaxInDHouse:
LIAR!
You no dey go church nah to argue you dey.
On Sunday wey be Palm Sunday you dey Nairaland dey type from 9am to 12pm and to worsen your matter you never drop one single thread at least to preach what you believe for everyone to know where you belong.

Ọmọ you be atheist!

Prove how I’m a liar—if anything, it just highlights your ignorance!

Aren’t there churches with different service times? And what about the possibility of taking a breather to check in on Nairaland? Do you even know the capacity in which I serve at my church?

Why make baseless assumptions? You can’t attack my character! I refuse to stoop so low as to engage with your foolishness.

Gabrielshow24:
Prove how I’m a liar—if anything, it just highlights your ignorance! Aren’t there churches with different service times? And what about the possibility of taking a breather to check in on Nairaland? Do you even know the capacity in which I serve at my church? Why make baseless assumptions? You can’t attack my character! I refuse to stoop so low as to engage with your foolishness.

Your friend don teach you how to lie shey?
Ọmọ from 9am to 12pm no church of Christendom that's not engage you're a pagan hiding among them to criticize God's people, you no dey go any church!

MaxInDHouse:
Your friend don teach you how to lie shey?
Ọmọ from 9am to 12pm no church of Christendom that's not engage you're a pagan hiding among them to criticize God's people, you no dey go any church!

Pathetic ad hominem! 😂 In fact, you clearly have nothing substantial to say! It’s common knowledge that many churches offer different service times. On top of that, it’s entirely plausible for someone to stay online! 🤔 This is all very self-explanatory. 🤨

And by the way, you exaggerated the time—I checked intermittently! So maybe it’s time to rethink your arguments!

MaxInDHouse:
Your friend don teach you how to lie shey?
Ọmọ from 9am to 12pm no church of Christendom that's not engage you're a pagan hiding among them to criticize God's people, you no dey go any church!

So far, you are just making claims without substance! It just shows desperation🤨. Is this your last resort?

Gabrielshow24:
Pathetic ad hominem! 😂 In fact, you clearly have nothing substantial to say! It’s common knowledge that many churches offer different service times. On top of that, it’s entirely plausible for someone to stay online! 🤔 This is all very self-explanatory. 🤨
And by the way, you exaggerated the time—I checked intermittently! So maybe it’s time to rethink your arguments!

From 9am to 12pm on Sunday no single church in Christendom is idle meaning you no dey go any church!

Gabrielshow24:
So far, you are just making claims without substance! It just shows desperation🤨. Is this your last resort?

I no dey follow pagan dey yarn abeg go and continue arguing with your fellow pagans!

MaxInDHouse:
From 9am to 12pm on Sunday no single church in Christendom is idle meaning you no dey go any church!

🤔you just like to type rubbish! All your allusions are impervious to logic🤨. The questions I gave you were meant to put your brain cells to work—well, 🤧I guess you don't have any after all!

What kind of a grown up says this kind of rubbish? 🤨Even basic facts you can't get right!
Very pathetic!

MaxInDHouse:
I no dey follow pagan dey yarn abeg go and continue arguing with your fellow pagans!

It's common knowledge that you are the pagan here! —With your vain doctrines 😂, hypocrisy and incoherency! Verily, I say unto you, Satan your Father will be proud! 🙃

Gabrielshow24:
🤔you just like to type rubbish! All your allusions are impervious to logic🤨. The questions I gave you were meant to put your brain cells to work—well, 🤧I guess you don't have any after all!
What kind of a grown up says this kind of rubbish? 🤨Even basic facts you can't get right! Very pathetic!

Gabrielshow24:
It's common knowledge that you are the pagan here! —With your vain doctrines 😂, hypocrisy and incoherency! Verily, I say unto you, Satan your Father will be proud! 🙃

I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses worshipers of Jehovah we assemble at any Kingdom Hall throughout the world.

Oya it's your turn if you're not a pagan!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses worshipers of Jehovah we assemble at any Kingdom Hall throughout the world.

Oya it's your turn if you're not a pagan!

This is the result of a foolish mind—one that believes if you don’t partake in their beloved organization, you must be a pagan. This mindset is foolish because it fails to address the weightier matters of Christendom and instead fixates on trivialities!

This pathetic mind, devoid of wisdom, doesn’t seek the truth of the kingdom but focuses solely on peddling false doctrines, demanding others to justify their church affiliations as if it were a badge of honor.

A vain mind like this could never have been appointed as a renowned Roman general; those who gave you such a name were merely trying to undermine the great general. At this point, both you and your organization are nothing more than rip-offs! 😂

Gabrielshow24:
believes if you don’t partake in their beloved organization, you must be a pagan.[/b]

I no sey mek u com worship with us but mention the name of your god and it's place of worship.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses worshipers of Jehovah we assemble at any Kingdom Hall throughout the world.

Simple!

MaxInDHouse:
I no sey mek u com worship with us but mention the name of your god and it's place of worship.
Simple!

It's your god that's a jelly bean 👀; mine is a transcendental being! Who is truly serving a god here? Is it not your god that will be rolled away with the universe? 🤨

Gabrielshow24:
It's your god that's a jelly bean 👀; mine is a transcendental being! Who is truly serving a god here? Is it not your god that will be rolled away with the universe? 🤨

Na this stupid argument you fit do.

Mention the name of your god, where you dey worship and what group name can people call your fellow worshipers?

Simple!

MaxInDHouse:
Na this stupid argument you fit do.

Mention the name of your god, where you dey worship and what group name can people call your fellow worshipers?

Simple!

This is a foolish argument! Ever since I’ve known you, whenever you’re challenged logically, you resort to "church affiliations" as if they’re some nugget of gold! 🤨 Unfortunately, they’re not gold; they’re more like corroded iron!

I’m far more concerned with the word of the Bible, Christ, and what He stands for than to stoop so low as to engage in "church wars" with you. Get your arguments together, make them coherent, and stop with this sheepish narrative—it’s become stale at this point! 😂

Gabrielshow24:
Max is jealous! 😏It’s like you’re the unofficial spokesperson for the peanut gallery! Keep it up; maybe one day you’ll get a medal for participation in the art of unsolicited commentary! 😂

Na true and the reason they must denigrate others to look good

Gabrielshow24:
Prove how I’m a liar—if anything, it just highlights your ignorance!

Aren’t there churches with different service times? And what about the possibility of taking a breather to check in on Nairaland? Do you even know the capacity in which I serve at my church?

Why make baseless assumptions? You can’t attack my character! I refuse to stoop so low as to engage with your foolishness.

He wants to draw you out to advance his lies and manipulations

MaxInDHouse:
Your friend don teach you how to lie shey?
Ọmọ from 9am to 12pm no church of Christendom that's not engage you're a pagan hiding among them to criticize God's people, you no dey go any church!

In your madness and insanities peddling brains

Gabrielshow24:
Pathetic ad hominem! 😂 In fact, you clearly have nothing substantial to say! It’s common knowledge that many churches offer different service times. On top of that, it’s entirely plausible for someone to stay online! 🤔 This is all very self-explanatory. 🤨

And by the way, you exaggerated the time—I checked intermittently! So maybe it’s time to rethink your arguments!

You can see how he was even fixing Sunday service times for Christendom in his madness and insanities peddling brains as if he is the one that set up Christendom. To advance his madness and insanities peddling brains he will look for lies and manipulations to rub on others

Gabrielshow24:
So far, you are just making claims without substance! It just shows desperation🤨. Is this your last resort?

Yes

MaxInDHouse:
I no dey follow pagan dey yarn abeg go and continue arguing with your fellow pagans!

Madness and insanities peddling brains drained with lies and manipulations that cannot fly

Gabrielshow24:
🤔you just like to type rubbish! All your allusions are impervious to logic🤨. The questions I gave you were meant to put your brain cells to work—well, 🤧I guess you don't have any after all!

What kind of a grown up says this kind of rubbish? 🤨Even basic facts you can't get right!
Very pathetic!

Loooool

Gabrielshow24:
This is the result of a foolish mind—one that believes if you don’t partake in their beloved organization, you must be a pagan. This mindset is foolish because it fails to address the weightier matters of Christendom and instead fixates on trivialities!

This pathetic mind, devoid of wisdom, doesn’t seek the truth of the kingdom but focuses solely on peddling false doctrines, demanding others to justify their church affiliations as if it were a badge of honor.

A vain mind like this could never have been appointed as a renowned Roman general; those who gave you such a name were merely trying to undermine the great general. At this point, both you and your organization are nothing more than rip-offs! 😂

😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:
I no sey mek u com worship with us but mention the name of your god and it's place of worship.


Simple!

Default mode and the get out card of discussion. Your lamentations about the church of others won't end today.

MaxInDHouse:
Na this stupid argument you fit do.

Mention the name of your god, where you dey worship and what group name can people call your fellow worshipers?

Simple!

The same stupid argument you follow on Nairaland every day to use as evidence of your better performing performance group

This is what determines your being one of Jehovah’s witness

Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?

Believing what the Bible they say is not enough it must also include beliefs unique to Jehovah’s witnesses

1. That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17)*

2. That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28)

3. That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47)

4. That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10)

5. That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3)

6. That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21)

7. That it will be followed by Christ’s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise.

8. That the first to enjoy it will be the present “great crowd” of Jesus’ “other sheep.”​—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.

@ Gabrielshow24 tell me how Sand2022 will survive this? You will see all Sand2022 thread are basically exposing all those eight beliefs they say is unique to Jehovah’s witnesses

achorladey:
This is what determines your being one of Jehovah’s witness

Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?




1. That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah’s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17)*

2. That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28)

3. That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47)

4. That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ’s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15–12:10)

5. That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3)

6. That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21)

7. That it will be followed by Christ’s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise.

8. That the first to enjoy it will be the present “great crowd” of Jesus’ “other sheep.”​—John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.

@ Gabrielshow24 tell me how Sand2022 will survive this? You will see all Sand2022 thread are basically exposing all those eight beliefs they say is unique to Jehovah’s witnesses

🤔My God, how do they make these up? 🤕 It's really laughable.

Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses say they are God’s organization so matter of fact as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

Here is how one person sees this claim.

"The entire Jehovah’s Witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.

Never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a Jehovah’s Witness are successfully challenged. The more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.

Confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The reason for this is that their evangelical work puts them in contact with many rival belief systems.

In order to overcome challenges to their beliefs and to prevent any doubts creeping in, Jehovah’s Witnesses have to retreat to their echo chamber to bolster their faith.

By repeatedly discussing their beliefs with fellow believers, they convince themselves that what they teach is the only ‘truth’. As well as supporting their own need for certainty, they in turn are helping to reinforce the delusions of other members.

There is a very interesting logical fallacy which highlights this method of confirmation which Jehovah’s Witnesses use, called ‘proof by repeated assertion’.

Here is a brief description:-

“Proof by repeated assertion is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation. The proposition can sometimes be repeated until any challenges or opposition ceases, letting the proponent assert it as fact, and solely due to a lack of challengers. In other cases, it’s repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority fallacy.

…In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.”

At their meetings, Jehovah’s Witnesses are trained by role playing, acting out the arguments they regularly encounter in their ministry. However, they only ever consider the scenarios which present the softest resistance to their beliefs.

By constantly ‘overcoming’ the more easy arguments during practice sessions, Jehovah’s Witnesses are lulled into a false sense of security, believing that they have watertight answers to all the questions and objections they can expect to encounter in their ministry.

However, in real life JWs are occasionally confronted with much more profound and difficult challenges to their faith which they have not previously encountered. They invariably refrain from directly arguing or debating on these topics, but instead use deflection tactics such as referring the questioner to their website, and then they quickly retreat.

Later, when no longer under direct pressure, JWs are likely to replay the difficult challenge over in their mind. If there are no set answers in the Watchtower literature, they are compelled to fabricate a refutation themselves, perhaps by looking for relevant bible verses. The motive for this is often more to reassure themselves than to answer the challenger.

But many times there is no valid refutation. A frequent recourse if they can't find a gratifying way to refute the objection to their religion, is to vilify the character of the challenger, as a means to negate the challenge.

They are then compelled to use flawed logic to find a ‘solution’ to the challenge. Once they have an idea, they cling to it and repeat it, however false or illogical it is, until it becomes an ‘established’ counter argument (at least in their minds).

A classic, often repeated example is as follows. After pointing out a flaw in the Organisation they will reply by saying:-

“Show me an alternative religion that has more truth than ours”.

If their adversary fails or declines to suggest an appropriate alternative religion, the JW erroneously concludes that this is decisive evidence that theirs is the true religion by default.

Many people who have had encounters with Jehovah’s Witnesses will recognise this trait. Very often, when Jehovah’s Witness are confronted with contrary evidence, they simply repeat an invalid point over and over, even though they have been presented with well-founded objections or incontrovertible evidence.

After several such encounters, Jehovah’s Witnesses begin to have misplaced confidence in their false reasoning, which leads them to the absurd conclusion that their religion is the only one God is backing.

The Watchtower literature is also a factor which builds confidence in JWs that their religion is God’s organisation. The articles repeatedly make the hubristic claim that they are God’s ‘channel’, that God is using the ‘Faithful Slave’ to convey his message, etc.

Despite the lack of sufficient evidence, the constant repetition of these claims forms a confirmation bias in the minds of the followers, and these invalid assumptions become an established fact.

One only has to read the posts of many JWs on Quora to see this process in motion. There are countless answers from JW apologists in which they claim to be God’s people.

Remaining in an environment where this predominant attitude is constantly played out, has convinced millions of followers that their religion is God’s organisation, even though they lack sufficient evidence to back up this baseless claim."


cc Sand2022, Gabrielshow24

achorladey:
Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses say they are God’s organization so matter of fact as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

Here is how one person sees this claim.

"The entire Jehovah’s Witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.

Never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a Jehovah’s Witness are successfully challenged. The more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.

Confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The reason for this is that their evangelical work puts them in contact with many rival belief systems.

In order to overcome challenges to their beliefs and to prevent any doubts creeping in, Jehovah’s Witnesses have to retreat to their echo chamber to bolster their faith.

By repeatedly discussing their beliefs with fellow believers, they convince themselves that what they teach is the only ‘truth’. As well as supporting their own need for certainty, they in turn are helping to reinforce the delusions of other members.

There is a very interesting logical fallacy which highlights this method of confirmation which Jehovah’s Witnesses use, called ‘proof by repeated assertion’.

Here is a brief description:-

“Proof by repeated assertion is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation. The proposition can sometimes be repeated until any challenges or opposition ceases, letting the proponent assert it as fact, and solely due to a lack of challengers. In other cases, it’s repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority fallacy.

…In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing.”

At their meetings, Jehovah’s Witnesses are trained by role playing, acting out the arguments they regularly encounter in their ministry. However, they only ever consider the scenarios which present the softest resistance to their beliefs.

By constantly ‘overcoming’ the more easy arguments during practice sessions, Jehovah’s Witnesses are lulled into a false sense of security, believing that they have watertight answers to all the questions and objections they can expect to encounter in their ministry.

However, in real life JWs are occasionally confronted with much more profound and difficult challenges to their faith which they have not previously encountered. They invariably refrain from directly arguing or debating on these topics, but instead use deflection tactics such as referring the questioner to their website, and then they quickly retreat.

Later, when no longer under direct pressure, JWs are likely to replay the difficult challenge over in their mind. If there are no set answers in the Watchtower literature, they are compelled to fabricate a refutation themselves, perhaps by looking for relevant bible verses. The motive for this is often more to reassure themselves than to answer the challenger.

But many times there is no valid refutation. A frequent recourse if they can't find a gratifying way to refute the objection to their religion, is to vilify the character of the challenger, as a means to negate the challenge.

They are then compelled to use flawed logic to find a ‘solution’ to the challenge. Once they have an idea, they cling to it and repeat it, however false or illogical it is, until it becomes an ‘established’ counter argument (at least in their minds).

A classic, often repeated example is as follows. After pointing out a flaw in the Organisation they will reply by saying:-

“Show me an alternative religion that has more truth than ours”.

If their adversary fails or declines to suggest an appropriate alternative religion, the JW erroneously concludes that this is decisive evidence that theirs is the true religion by default.

Many people who have had encounters with Jehovah’s Witnesses will recognise this trait. Very often, when Jehovah’s Witness are confronted with contrary evidence, they simply repeat an invalid point over and over, even though they have been presented with well-founded objections or incontrovertible evidence.

After several such encounters, Jehovah’s Witnesses begin to have misplaced confidence in their false reasoning, which leads them to the absurd conclusion that their religion is the only one God is backing.

The Watchtower literature is also a factor which builds confidence in JWs that their religion is God’s organisation. The articles repeatedly make the hubristic claim that they are God’s ‘channel’, that God is using the ‘Faithful Slave’ to convey his message, etc.

Despite the lack of sufficient evidence, the constant repetition of these claims forms a confirmation bias in the minds of the followers, and these invalid assumptions become an established fact.

One only has to read the posts of many JWs on Quora to see this process in motion. There are countless answers from JW apologists in which they claim to be God’s people.

Remaining in an environment where this predominant attitude is constantly played out, has convinced millions of followers that their religion is God’s organisation, even though they lack sufficient evidence to back up this baseless claim."


cc Sand2022, Gabrielshow24

You have summed it up elegantly😊!

Gabrielshow24:
🤔My God, how do they make these up? 🤕 It's really laughable.

Out of all the 8 the most dangerous of them all is number 3. If anybody sees that you are beginning to investigate them or doubt their belief and the elders called you for questioning, the most important question out of the eight is number 3. It will be put to you, do you accept........

That there is a “faithful and discreet slave” upon earth today ‘entrusted with all of Jesus’ earthly interests,’ which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses? (Matthew 24:45-47)

A No answer here, kiss yourself goodbye and taking on the label APOSTATE. Nothing can save you from here.


You can see it was stated all of Jesus property on earth belongs only to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. So whatever others are doing as long as they don't bow to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses that thing is not Jesus property therefore useless and fit for destruction.