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Hello Guys
As I wrap up this beautiful Sunday lemme drop this hit topic:
People have argued for and against this topic. One camp says yes and the other says No with reasons.
The Yes claims that the God who created Lucifer the Angel is the same who created satan cos he knew that the Angel he created who was good initially would one day rebel and become the devil he is today.
The No camp claims that God created all things good and that He is a good God who gives good and perfect gifts as such He didn't create satan.
Which camp do you belong?
I belong to camp 2.

Where most people get confused is when they call God Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent.
There is no where God claim to be any of these but out of presumptuousness many just feel God must be all of these and majority among them have now turned to atheism when they have a rethink over what they believe.
What you need to ask yourself is whether God is Omniscient according to what most people say.
The Bible God told us that He knows the end right from the beginning {Revelations 21:6} this led many to conclude that God is Omniscient but then they failed to note what He said in the Bible book of Genesis Chapters 18 & 21
Please read: God said to Abraham
“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21
This verse proved that the Bible God is not Omniscient nor Omnipresent as many people have assumed because if He knew everything then why must He go to Sodom and Gomorrah to see if the reports brought to Him is exactly as they said? And if He is Omnipresent there is no need going to ascertain what they told Him.
Now how do we reconcile Revelations 21:6 with Genesis 18:20-21?
After reading these verses some just conclude that this God is a confusionist and they turned either to atheism or agnosticism.
To reconcile these verses we need more than just reading but studying and the help of God's Holy Spirit to unravel the sacred secret.
The truth is that God can see everything and can know everything but first of all we need to remember that He is Holy this means there is no thought of evil in Him in His heart it's always good things that comes in so He is incapable of evil thought {James 1:13} so during creation He never had a second (negative) thought regarding the life He gave others that's why He later regretted creating humans to represent Him on planet earth because the thoughts in their hearts is always negative unlike Him who is incapable of evil thoughts! Genesis 6:6

Secondly after the incident in Eden God chose not to see everything that man is doing because it will continue to sadden Him {Habakkuk 1:13} to illustrate think of a mother who gave birth to a male child, sent him to school and after graduating the young man lost his brain, do you think his mother will like being around to see him do in$ane things?
Surely not!
But then if the young man regain his memories and start crying seeking how to return home how do you think the mother will feel?
Well God sent some angels throughout the earth whose wings are full of eyes {Ezekiel 10:12} these are the ones serving as God's eyes {2Chronicles 16:9} they are the ones reporting to Him what humans are doing to one another on this planet! Genesis 18:20-21

May you have Peace!

MaxInDHouse:
Where most people get confused is when they call God Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent.
There is no where God claim to be any of these but out of presumptuousness many just feel God must be all of these and majority among them have now turned to atheism when they have a rethink over what they believe.
What you need to ask yourself is whether God is Omniscient according to what most people say.
The Bible God told us that He knows the end right from the beginning {Revelations 21:6} this led many to conclude that God is Omniscient but then they failed to note what He said in the Bible book of Genesis Chapters 18 & 21
Please read: God said to Abraham
“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21
This verse proved that the Bible God is not Omniscient nor Omnipresent as many people have assumed because if He knew everything then why must He go to Sodom and Gomorrah to see if the reports brought to Him is exactly as they said? And if He is Omnipresent there is no need going to ascertain what they told Him.
Now how do we reconcile Revelations 21:6 with Genesis 18:20-21?
After reading these verses some just conclude that this God is a confusionist and they turned either to atheism or agnosticism.
To reconcile these verses we need more than just reading but studying and the help of God's Holy Spirit to unravel the sacred secret.
The truth is that God can see everything and can know everything but first of all we need to remember that He is Holy this means there is no thought of evil in Him in His heart it's always good things that comes in so He is incapable of evil thought {James 1:13} so during creation He never had a second (negative) thought regarding the life He gave others that's why He later regretted creating humans to represent Him on planet earth because the thoughts in their hearts is always negative unlike Him who is incapable of evil thoughts! Genesis 6:6

Secondly after the incident in Eden God chose not to see everything that man is doing because it will continue to sadden Him {Habakkuk 1:13} to illustrate think of a mother who gave birth to a male child, sent him to school and after graduating the young man lost his brain, do you think his mother will like being around to see him do in$ane things?
Surely not!
But then if the young man regain his memories and start crying seeking how to return home how do you think the mother will feel?
Well God sent some angels throughout the earth whose wings are full of eyes {Ezekiel 10:12} these are the ones serving as God's eyes {2Chronicles 16:9} they are the ones reporting to Him what humans are doing to one another on this planet! Genesis 18:20-21

May you have Peace!

I'll come back to give a response to this post after I've done some research.
Thanks for your response.

Okay, then how did Satan come about?
By the way, I'm in camp one!

I don't belong to any camp because they are both based on ignorance.

There is one one God.
Satan, devil and Lucifer are what the Yoruba calls Orisha. They are personification of the laws and principles of life. The Bible calls them "the sons of God".....
They are not Gods.
Satan is the orisha of the air. Or Lord of the air or wind.
Devil is the orisha of darkness
Lucifer is orisha of love, war and death.

They are part of God. They are not evil. I wonder were people got the idea that they are evil. They only do what God has created them to do......

MaxInDHouse:
Where most people get confused is when they call God Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent.
There is no where God claim to be any of these but out of presumptuousness many just feel God must be all of these and majority among them have now turned to atheism when they have a rethink over what they believe.
What you need to ask yourself is whether God is Omniscient according to what most people say.
The Bible God told us that He knows the end right from the beginning {Revelations 21:6} this led many to conclude that God is Omniscient but then they failed to note what He said in the Bible book of Genesis Chapters 18 & 21
Please read: God said to Abraham
“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21
This verse proved that the Bible God is not Omniscient nor Omnipresent as many people have assumed because if He knew everything then why must He go to Sodom and Gomorrah to see if the reports brought to Him is exactly as they said? And if He is Omnipresent there is no need going to ascertain what they told Him.
Now how do we reconcile Revelations 21:6 with Genesis 18:20-21?
After reading these verses some just conclude that this God is a confusionist and they turned either to atheism or agnosticism.
To reconcile these verses we need more than just reading but studying and the help of God's Holy Spirit to unravel the sacred secret.
The truth is that God can see everything and can know everything but first of all we need to remember that He is Holy this means there is no thought of evil in Him in His heart it's always good things that comes in so He is incapable of evil thought {James 1:13} so during creation He never had a second (negative) thought regarding the life He gave others that's why He later regretted creating humans to represent Him on planet earth because the thoughts in their hearts is always negative unlike Him who is incapable of evil thoughts! Genesis 6:6

Secondly after the incident in Eden God chose not to see everything that man is doing because it will continue to sadden Him {Habakkuk 1:13} to illustrate think of a mother who gave birth to a male child, sent him to school and after graduating the young man lost his brain, do you think his mother will like being around to see him do in$ane things?
Surely not!
But then if the young man regain his memories and start crying seeking how to return home how do you think the mother will feel?
Well God sent some angels throughout the earth whose wings are full of eyes {Ezekiel 10:12} these are the ones serving as God's eyes {2Chronicles 16:9} they are the ones reporting to Him what humans are doing to one another on this planet! Genesis 18:20-21

May you have Peace!

You need to be careful how you quote some scriptures. If you say God isn't Omniscient
Omnipresent and Omnipotent you have reduced the Uncreated and Sovereign God to the level of the things He created and that is an Anathema. You need to be wary how you interprete scripture so you don't end up confusing yourself. How can the God who create all things be limited in the knowledge of the things He created? It's like saying the manufacturer of Maybach, Lincoln Navigator, G-Wagon has limited knowledge or control over their creations that they employ to be their brains and eyes over their creations. Before God created, He thought about it and then he began. God knew Lucifer will turn rogue and become satan even when he was still good and perfect.
God knew Adam will mess up that's why he pre-planned everything to happen as it did.
I'll still come back to give you a well rounded response but this will do for now.

AngelahFlo:
You need to be careful how you quote some scriptures. If you say God isn't Omniscient
Omnipresent and Omnipotent you have reduced the Uncreated and Sovereign God to the level of the things He created and that is an Anathema. You need to be wary how you interprete scripture so you don't end up confusing yourself. How can the God who create all things be limited in the knowledge of the things He created? It's like saying the manufacturer of Maybach, Lincoln Navigator, G-Wagon has limited knowledge or control over their creations that they employ to be their brains and eyes over their creations. Before God created, He thought about it and then he began. God knew Lucifer will turn rogue and become satan even when he was still good and perfect.
God knew Adam will mess up that's why he pre-planned everything to happen as it did.
I'll still come back to give you a well rounded response but this will do for now.

Can you quote these three words in the Bible?

sonmvayina:
I don't belong to any camp because they are both based on ignorance.

There is one one God.
Satan, devil and Lucifer are what the Yoruba calls Orisha. They are personification of the laws and principles of life. The Bible calls them "the sons of God".....
They are not Gods.
Satan is the orisha of the air. Or Lord of the air or wind.
Devil is the orisha of darkness
Lucifer is orisha of love, war and death.

They are part of God. They are not evil. I wonder were people got the idea that they are evil. They only do what God has created them to do......

Aaaaawwwwwnn. what a lovely god🤔? Apart from these he keeps spawning himself in human shells—failing continuously to achieve his purpose.

This is some real feeling—replace this with that suitable word for human poo🤔, I'm afraid I can't use it here without triggering censorship 👀—It's comedic.

Well done 👍, you are ahead of your time😁.

Gabrielshow24:
Aaaaawwwwwnn. what a lovely god🤔? Apart from these he keeps spawning himself in human shells—failing continuously to achieve his purpose.

This is some real feeling—replace this with that suitable word for human poo🤔, I'm afraid I can't use it here without triggering censorship 👀—It's comedic.

Well done 👍, you are ahead of your time😁.

when you grow up, this is what you will know.

like they say, milk for babies, meat for adults

you con continue sucking on your milk, when your teeth is strong enough, you will be introduced to fish and then meat.

so, everything in its own time.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote these three words in the Bible?

That those words don't exist in the Bible doesn't mean that God isn't any other aforementioned. This is what happens when you look at the mirror of the Word for what's hidden in plain sight. God is Mystery as such the Bible which is His Word, is a book of Mysteries.
If God isn't Omniscient how come he knew and ordained Prophet Jeremiah to be a prophet to the nations right from his womb.
How come King David spoke of Him as knowing about his substance while he was still blood and bones in Psalms 139?

How come the things God created reflect His essence. Take the air for example.
Air is everywhere because according to basic science Air occupies space
God is Omniscient
Omnipresent and Omnipotent that it's not expressly mentioned in the Bible is no proof that He isn't. The mere thought of that alone is an Anathema.

Why is all things possible with God but impossible with men?
The Bible is a book of Mysteries which you can't solve by looking for literal clues when they've been hidden from you in plain sight to test your ability to discern truth from fiction.

Gabrielshow24:
Okay, then how did Satan come about?
By the way, I'm in camp one!

satan wasn't who he is today. Isaiah 14 I think sheds light on who he was and his character. He was created as the Light Bearer or the Shining One which his name Lucifer means in Latin but pride gor into his heart as he thought and attempted to usurp the throne from his Creator which brought about his downfall. I'm in Camp 2 because I believe God in His Omniscient capacity already knew that this beautiful being He created will one day rebel and cause what is now rampant on the world today yet he allowed him. He didn't just cause him to cease existing but to keep existing to perpetrate evil.
Mat I ask why you're in camp 1?

sonmvayina:
I don't belong to any camp because they are both based on ignorance.

There is one one God.
Satan, devil and Lucifer are what the Yoruba calls Orisha. They are personification of the laws and principles of life. The Bible calls them "the sons of God".....
They are not Gods.
Satan is the orisha of the air. Or Lord of the air or wind.
Devil is the orisha of darkness
Lucifer is orisha of love, war and death.

They are part of God. They are not evil. I wonder were people got the idea that they are evil. They only do what God has created them to do......

God is the Orisha that every other Orisha answers to. He is not a God who shares class with the ones he created. You're coming from the angle of a traditionalist I understand. Why is He referred to as the Eledumare? See don't get confused and don't make the mistake of putting God in the class of orishas like satan and lucifer. The ones mentioned are creatures, God is the Creator
The Uncreated
The Awamaridi (Mystery)
The Orisha that every other orisha respects

AngelahFlo:
satan wasn't who he is today. Isaiah 14 I think sheds light on who he was and his character. He was created as the Light Bearer or the Shining One which his name Lucifer means in Latin but pride gor into his heart as he thought and attempted to usurp the throne from his Creator which brought about his downfall. I'm in Camp 2 because I believe God in His Omniscient capacity already knew that this beautiful being He created will one day rebel and cause what is now rampant on the world today yet he allowed him. He didn't just cause him to cease existing but to keep existing to perpetrate evil.
Mat I ask why you're in camp 1?

Lucifer , Satan—same person. May I ask? Didn't the Lord not say everything he made was good? Why then the presence of evil? God made Lucifer as you said, and Lucifer became Satan😅. Do you now want to say God didn't make him? Of course, he did. But his current state was caused by his pride. Hence why I support camp 1. God made Satan and turned all his wickedness into good—for us👀. This also shows to the world, how it will be without God's guidance and the failings of self-will!

Basically we are saying the same thing but you don't want to accept the indisputable fact that God made him.

AngelahFlo:
That those words don't exist in the Bible doesn't mean that God isn't any other aforementioned. This is what happens when you look at the mirror of the Word for what's hidden in plain sight. God is Mystery as such the Bible which is His Word, is a book of Mysteries.
If God isn't Omniscient how come he knew and ordained Prophet Jeremiah to be a prophet to the nations right from his womb.
How come King David spoke of Him as knowing about his substance while he was still blood and bones in Psalms 139?

How come the things God created reflect His essence. Take the air for example.
Air is everywhere because according to basic science Air occupies space
God is Omniscient
Omnipresent and Omnipotent that it's not expressly mentioned in the Bible is no proof that He isn't. The mere thought of that alone is an Anathema.

Why is all things possible with God but impossible with men?
The Bible is a book of Mysteries which you can't solve by looking for literal clues when they've been hidden from you in plain sight to test your ability to discern truth from fiction.

I only believe what is found written in the Bible so if you can't quote what you believe in God's word then i will take my leave thanks for your time!

AngelahFlo:
God is the Orisha that every other Orisha answers to. He is not a God who shares class with the ones he created. You're coming from the angle of a traditionalist I understand. Why is He referred to as the Eledumare? See don't get confused and don't make the mistake of putting God in the class of orishas like satan and lucifer. The ones mentioned are creatures, God is the Creator
The Uncreated
The Awamaridi (Mystery)
The Orisha that every other orisha respects

what did i say different.
i went as far to state the various priciples they represent.

god is one, Eledumare, Chineke, Osanobua, Hashem, Ra....Marduk. all various titles and names of the one creator.

sonmvayina:
what did i say different.
i went as far to state the various priciples they represent.

god is one, Eledumare, Chineke, Osanobua, Hashem, Ra....Marduk. all various titles and names of the one creator.

You're different because God isn't Marduk.
Forget what the Babylonians call Him.
This is where you miss it. The nations whose god you just listed especially the last 3 are heathen nations who worship a pantheon of gods. Any Being that deviates from the Being in the Bible isn't the real God.
You see when you hold to this view, you miss the point entirely. You begin to pray and believe in any being you consider supreme because of your belief. This itself is an error. God who name is Yahweh in Hebrew means "I Am"
Case in point: do the nations who worship these gods believe in one God aside their own various deities? There is one God and He's not Ra, Marduk, satan, lucifer etc.

MaxInDHouse:
I only believe what is found written in the Bible so if you can't quote what you believe in God's word then i will take my leave thanks for your time!

I feel sorry for you.
Just don't go teaching that to someone otherwise you'll be spreading heresy.
God bless you

Gabrielshow24:
Lucifer , Satan—same person. May I ask? Didn't the Lord not say everything he made was good? Why then the presence of evil? God made Lucifer as you said, and Lucifer became Satan😅. Do you now want to say God didn't make him? Of course, he did. But his current state was caused by his pride. Hence why I support camp 1. God made Satan and turned all his wickedness into good—for us👀. This also shows to the world, how it will be without God's guidance and the failings of self-will!

Basically we are saying the same thing but you don't want to accept the indisputable fact that God made him.

I still don't totally agree. God is a good God who created all things perfect. The devil chose to be evil and became that as a result of his choice. Will still come and give you a more robust answer when I'm done with my research. Till then be safe

AngelahFlo:
You're different because God isn't Marduk.
Forget what the Babylonians call Him.
This is where you miss it. The nations whose god you just listed especially the last 3 are heathen nations who worship a pantheon of gods. Any Being that deviates from the Being in the Bible isn't the real God.
You see when you hold to this view, you miss the point entirely. You begin to pray and believe in any being you consider supreme because of your belief. This itself is an error. God who name is Yahweh in Hebrew means "I Am"
Case in point: do the nations who worship these gods believe in one God aside their own various deities? There is one God and He's not Ra, Marduk, satan, lucifer etc.

You still did not get the point.

There is only one God and creator of all, it is just the name that is different.
There are a thousand and one languages on the planet, you can't expect them to have the same name for God, it does not make any sense.
The God of the Jews is not called yaweh, yaweh is one of the 70 sons of Enlil. Nobody knows the name of God now in Hebrew. When God sends his messiah and he builds the third temple, God will reveal his name to him.
The Jews just use Hashem. That same God and creator is called Chinese in Igbo language, it is called Eledumare in Yoruba, Osanobua in edo...etc. one God different names. Don't mix it.
There is one one God. All others are called "sons of God" which the yorubas call orisha. They represent laws and principles of life, satan is the orisha of the air. Devil is the orisha of darkness. Etc.

Dont be fixated on the jewish ideology. Thats why you keep missing the target...

AngelahFlo:
I feel sorry for you.
Just don't go teaching that to someone otherwise you'll be spreading heresy.
God bless you

That's what millions of people believe and they are doing God's will unitedly it's you who believe omini this omini that that's having issues with your fellow omini worshipers.
You have one of your fellow omini worshipers try to reconcile with him nah!


God Himself said:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me." Genesis 22:12

Why not explain what God said in these two verses before typing epistles about your omini this omini that?

sonmvayina:
You still did not get the point.

There is only one God and creator of all, it is just the name that is different.
There are a thousand and one languages on the planet, you can't expect them to have the same name for God, it does not make any sense.
The God of the Jews is not called yaweh, yaweh is one of the 70 sons of Enlil. Nobody knows the name of God now in Hebrew. When God sends his messiah and he builds the third temple, God will reveal his name to him.
The Jews just use Hashem. That same God and creator is called Chinese in Igbo language, it is called Eledumare in Yoruba, Osanobua in edo...etc. one God different names. Don't mix it.
There is one one God. All others are called "sons of God" which the yorubas call orisha. They represent laws and principles of life, satan is the orisha of the air. Devil is the orisha of darkness. Etc.

Dont be fixated on the jewish ideology. Thats why you keep missing the target...

My Ideology is based on the Bible which is the word of God. I don't know where your ideology is based but of its outside the word of God then it's not real. It's falsehood. While it's true that God has an interpretation in various languages like the Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa? It's not the languages I'm faulting you with its you equating an interpretation of God to pagan nations that God destroyed.
Example likening God to be same as the pagan god of the chaldeans. Yahweh is both a name and title of God. Don't know where you got your one of the sons of Enlil from.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what millions of people believe and they are doing God's will unitedly it's you who believe omini this omini that that's having issues with your fellow omini worshipers.
You have one of your fellow omini worshipers try to reconcile with him nah!


God Himself said:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me." Genesis 22:12

Why not explain what God said in these two verses before typing epistles about your omini this omini that?

It's amazing that you quote scripture out of context. God was testing Abraham to see if He can willingly give Abraham can give His promised son to God.
It was a test of faith not a show of God's limited knowledge. I really really feel sorry for you. Too much fixation on literal written word has blinded you to what the word of God really is. The letter kills while the Spirit of the word gives life.

AngelahFlo:
It's amazing that you quote scripture out of context. God was testing Abraham to see if He can willingly give Abraham can give His promised son to God.
It was a test of faith not a show of God's limited knowledge. I really really feel sorry for you. Too much fixation on literal written word has blinded you to what the word of God really is. The letter kills while the Spirit of the word gives life.

Guy this is not about feelings but what is written in God's word!

So QUOTE God's word not your own feelings.

God said He just knew that Abraham is much more than what He took him for and you are saying otherwise due to presumptuousness!

AngelahFlo:
My Ideology is based on the Bible which is the word of God. I don't know where your ideology is based but of its outside the word of God then it's not real. It's falsehood. While it's true that God has an interpretation in various languages like the Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa? It's not the languages I'm faulting you with its you equating an interpretation of God to pagan nations that God destroyed.
Example likening God to be same as the pagan god of the chaldeans. Yahweh is both a name and title of God. Don't know where you got your one of the sons of Enlil from.

do you understands anything at all?

God is one....that is what the bible says. see Deuteronomy 6:4.

that one God is what the igbo calls CHINEKE
Is what the youruba calls ELEDUMARE
Is what the edo calls OSANOBUA.
Is what the jews calls HASHEM, Not Yawah. their God is not Yaweh. yaweh is a cannatite god that is married to asherah. God has no consult.

all others like sango, ogun, etc are called orisha. the bible calls them the sons of God...see the book of Job.

what is it you don't get?

the Jewish wrote their stories down for their people...it is their story, why do you think only their idea is right?

AngelahFlo:
You're different because God isn't Marduk.
Forget what the Babylonians call Him.
This is where you miss it. The nations whose god you just listed especially the last 3 are heathen nations who worship a pantheon of gods. Any Being that deviates from the Being in the Bible isn't the real God.
You see when you hold to this view, you miss the point entirely. You begin to pray and believe in any being you consider supreme because of your belief. This itself is an error. God who name is Yahweh in Hebrew means "I Am"
Case in point: do the nations who worship these gods believe in one God aside their own various deities? There is one God and He's not Ra, Marduk, satan, lucifer etc.

Marduk is the creator God in Babylonian theology.
HashIm is the creator God in jewish religion
Eledumare is creator God is yoruba religion..

by simple comparison Marduk=Hashim= Eledumare.

sonmvayina:
Marduk is the creator God in Babylonian theology.
HashIm is the creator God in jewish religion
Eledumare is creator God is yoruba religion..

by simple comparison Marduk=Hashim= Eledumare.

Know why I won't accept Marduk as a creator God to be the same as the creator God who made the heavens and the earth is because Marduk is an heathen god. The others are simply an interpretation of who The Creator God is to this people. The Babylonians are no more because of their heathen nature and them not recognizing God as the Supreme being. The moment we begin to equate these heathen gods as the Creator God, we miss the point entirely. The Creator Gid is one God in a class by Himself unlike the creator god of the Babylonians who is one of a pantheon of gods this ancient people served. The same with Ra.
Eledumare and Hashim on the other hand, are one and the same with the Creator God. It's just an interpretation. We are both right up to the point where we don't try to add the Creator God who exist in a class by Himself, to other gods even though they all do similar things. I hope you understand my own line of thought. If accept your idea to be true then it means Sango, Ogun, Amadioha and Zeus are the same as the Creator God only with different manifestations which ain't true. There are many sides to the Creator God but that doesn't mean He's one of these.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote these three words in the Bible?

God is Omniscient (All-Knowing)
Psalm 147:5

Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.

1 John 3:20

If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Hebrews 4:13

Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Psalm 139:1–4

You have searched me, Lord, and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise... Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.

Isaiah 46:9–10

I am God, and there is no other... I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.

God is Omnipresent (Present Everywhere)
Psalm 139:7–10

Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there...
even there your hand will guide me.

Jeremiah 23:23–24

Am I only a God nearby,” declares the Lord, “and not a God far away?
Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?
Do I not fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord.

Proverbs 15:3

The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.

God is Omnipotent (All-Powerful)

Genesis 18:14

Is anything too hard for the Lord?

Job 42:2

I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.

Jeremiah 32:17

Ah, Sovereign Lord, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.

Matthew 19:26

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Revelation 19:6

Hallelujah! For the Lord God Almighty reigns.

The idea that God chose not to see everything that man is doing because it will continue to sadden Him is guesswork based on human knowledge, not founded in the word of God, and it is False.
And just so you know, Habakkuk 1:13 says

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

This verse does not mean that God is incapable of seeing sin. Rather, it expresses that God is too holy to look favorably or approvingly upon evil. The prophet is wrestling with God's tolerance of injustice and asking why God seems to allow the wicked (Babylonians) to prosper.
Behold evil," in this context doesn’t mean physical seeing, but enduring it, approving it, or ignoring it.

The verses below will correct your mistake.
God clearly sees all sin:

Proverbs 15:3 — "The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

Job 34:21–22

His eyes are on the ways of mortals; he sees their every step. There is no deep shadow, no utter darkness, where evildoers can hide.

Jeremiah 16:17

My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes.

Psalm 90:8

You have set our iniquities before you, our secret sins in the light of your presence.

Hebrews 4:13 — "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight.
In Amos 9:2–4, God declares that sinners cannot hide in the depths, on mountaintops, or even in exile—He will see and judge them.

AngelahFlo also take note

Just quote those three words i'm not interested in epistles without those words.
Thanks in advance!

tctrills:
God is Omniscient (All-Knowing)
Psalm 147:5

Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.

1 John 3:20

If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Hebrews 4:13

Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Psalm 139:1–4

You have searched me, Lord, and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise... Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.

Isaiah 46:9–10

I am God, and there is no other... I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.

God is Omnipresent (Present Everywhere)
Psalm 139:7–10

Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there...
even there your hand will guide me.

Jeremiah 23:23–24

Am I only a God nearby,” declares the Lord, “and not a God far away?
Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?
Do I not fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord.

Proverbs 15:3

The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.

God is Omnipotent (All-Powerful)

Genesis 18:14

Is anything too hard for the Lord?

Job 42:2

I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.

Jeremiah 32:17

Ah, Sovereign Lord, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.

Matthew 19:26

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Revelation 19:6

Hallelujah! For the Lord God Almighty reigns.

The idea that God chose not to see everything that man is doing because it will continue to sadden Him is guesswork based on human knowledge, not founded in the word of God, and it is False.
And just so you know, Habakkuk 1:13 says

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

This verse does not mean that God is incapable of seeing sin. Rather, it expresses that God is too holy to look favorably or approvingly upon evil. The prophet is wrestling with God's tolerance of injustice and asking why God seems to allow the wicked (Babylonians) to prosper.
Behold evil," in this context doesn’t mean physical seeing, but enduring it, approving it, or ignoring it.

The verses below will correct your mistake.
God clearly sees all sin:

Proverbs 15:3 — "The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good."

Job 34:21 — "His eyes are on the ways of mortals; he sees their every step."

Hebrews 4:13 — "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight."

AngelahFlo also take note

MaxInDHouse:
Guy this is not about feelings but what is written in God's word!

So QUOTE God's word not your own feelings.

God said He just knew that Abraham is much more than what He took him for and you are saying otherwise due to presumptuousness!

Amazing I just explained the reason for your claim on God being limited in knowledge and power and presence and you say I'm being presumptious. I see that from the account you quoted on Abraham and Isaac can you prove to me the limitedness of God's knowledge in that scene? If you can't prove that, then you're so wrong! I just told you that God wanted to test Abraham's Faith to see if He can sacrifice His only son. It was just a test not a proof of His limited knowledge as you presume. A teacher will give you a test to see how much you know or understand a subject not to prove his(the teacher's ignorance or limited knowledge. We'll keep at this till thy kingdom come because you're so fixated on the "written in the Bible" thing that you don't see the implied meanings in the letters you fixate on.
Continue at your own peril

tctrills:
God is Omniscient (All-Knowing)
Psalm 147:5

Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.

1 John 3:20

If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Hebrews 4:13

Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Psalm 139:1–4

You have searched me, Lord, and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise... Before a word is on my tongue you, Lord, know it completely.

Isaiah 46:9–10

I am God, and there is no other... I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.

God is Omnipresent (Present Everywhere)
Psalm 139:7–10

Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there...
even there your hand will guide me.

Jeremiah 23:23–24

Am I only a God nearby,” declares the Lord, “and not a God far away?
Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?
Do I not fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord.

Proverbs 15:3

The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.

God is Omnipotent (All-Powerful)

Genesis 18:14

Is anything too hard for the Lord?

Job 42:2

I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted.

Jeremiah 32:17

Ah, Sovereign Lord, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.

Matthew 19:26

With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Revelation 19:6

Hallelujah! For the Lord God Almighty reigns.

The idea that God chose not to see everything that man is doing because it will continue to sadden Him is guesswork based on human knowledge, not founded in the word of God, and it is False.
And just so you know, Habakkuk 1:13 says

Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

This verse does not mean that God is incapable of seeing sin. Rather, it expresses that God is too holy to look favorably or approvingly upon evil. The prophet is wrestling with God's tolerance of injustice and asking why God seems to allow the wicked (Babylonians) to prosper.
Behold evil," in this context doesn’t mean physical seeing, but enduring it, approving it, or ignoring it.

The verses below will correct your mistake.
God clearly sees all sin:

Proverbs 15:3 — "The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

Job 34:21–22

His eyes are on the ways of mortals; he sees their every step. There is no deep shadow, no utter darkness, where evildoers can hide.

Jeremiah 16:17

My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes.

Psalm 90:8

You have set our iniquities before you, our secret sins in the light of your presence.

Hebrews 4:13 — "Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight.
In Amos 9:2–4, God declares that sinners cannot hide in the depths, on mountaintops, or even in exile—He will see and judge them.

AngelahFlo also take note

Thank you Brother. It's what I've been trying to make the other brother see. He wants to know where those words are in the Bible. All the verses you just shared all implies the Omni attributes of God. Proving that to someone who's fixated on the written word is pointless. I just cited some instances to him and he said I'm being presumptious. Thank you again brother.

AngelahFlo:
Amazing I just explained the reason for your claim on God being limited in knowledge and power and presence and you say I'm being presumptious. I see that from the account you quoted on Abraham and Isaac can you prove to me the limitedness of God's knowledge in that scene? If you can't prove that, then you're so wrong! I just told you that God wanted to test Abraham's Faith to see if He can sacrifice His only son. It was just a test not a proof of His limited knowledge as you presume. A teacher will give you a test to see how much you know or understand a subject not to prove his(the teacher's ignorance or limited knowledge. We'll keep at this till thy kingdom come because you're so fixated on the "written in the Bible" thing that you don't see the implied meanings in the letters you fixate on.
Continue at your own peril

Guy it hasn't come to curses o!

Please quote that verse in your own copy of the Bible then explain, this is what i found in my own copy:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

The highlighted is our focus so explain it that's all!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy it hasn't come to curses o!

Please quote that verse in your own copy of the Bible then explain this is what i found in my own copy:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

The highlighted is our focus so explain it that's all!

I didn't curse
I'm just sad and hurt that someone who should know more should be so...ignorant. now to your question.
Genesis 18:20-21 isn't a proof of God's limited knowledge. To say that God must have been limited in knowledge and presence that He had to go and see for himself if the sins of those cities are grievous is a fallacy from the pit of hell. How can the most high God who can do all things
See all things and is everywhere be limited? That you can't find the words in the Bible doesn't imply that God isn't what He is?
I don't know how to make you understand. This fixation on "finding the word Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent" before you accept and admit defeat will be your undoing. I'm not cursing you o neither am I angry. Why should I when we're just debating