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Let us take another look on the reasons why many Christians feel Jesus of Nazareth is Almighty God.

Interested discussants are invited.

However specifically -

GabrielShow24
Boomark

You called in Gabriel the accuser 🤣, it would be better to find someone who would be more interested in a honest dialogue

First of all do you believe in Jesus Christ at all?
Please what do you know about Jesus of Nazareth?
It's better to tell everyone what you think about Jesus before inviting them to come and start another argument.

https://www.nairaland.com/8144951/top-ten-barbaric-beliefs-events

Above is your own thread titled:
"Top Ten Barbaric Beliefs/Events Found In The Bible"

So what do you believe about Jesus who said his father is the best personality we can think of? Matthew 5:45

MaxInDHouse:
First of all do you believe in Jesus Christ at all?
Please what do you know about Jesus of Nazareth?
It's better to tell everyone what you think about Jesus before inviting them to come and start another argument.

https://www.nairaland.com/8144951/top-ten-barbaric-beliefs-events

Above is your own thread titled:
"Top Ten Barbaric Beliefs/Events Found In The Bible"

So what do you believe about Jesus who said his father is the best personality we can think of? Matthew 5:45

I saw the notification here, but when I checked my mail, I didn't see anything.

Brahamimo:
I saw the notification here, but when I checked my mail, I didn't see anything.

Perhaps you should resend to me.

MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps you should resend to me.

I checked the spam folder and saw it just now. I'm trying to reply now

Brahamimo:
I checked the spam folder and saw it just now. I'm trying to reply now

Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:
First of all do you believe in Jesus Christ at all?
Please what do you know about Jesus of Nazareth?
It's better to tell everyone what you think about Jesus before inviting them to come and start another argument.

https://www.nairaland.com/8144951/top-ten-barbaric-beliefs-events

Above is your own thread titled:
"Top Ten Barbaric Beliefs/Events Found In The Bible"

So what do you believe about Jesus who said his father is the best personality we can think of? Matthew 5:45

If he existed he was likely a messenger of the Light.

DeepSight:
If he existed he was likely a messenger of the Light.

Well you are close to the truth, of course Jesus is a messenger of the true God but Jesus himself is the light while our God is the source as in the Creator and Maker of light.

Regarding this the Psalmist wrote:

With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light. Psalms 36:9


Appreciated!

DeepSight:
Let us take another look on the reasons why many Christians feel Jesus of Nazareth is Almighty God.

Interested discussants are invited.

However specifically -

GabrielShow24
Boomark

Why won't we believe he is Christ?

He had and exhibited the fullness of God.

DeepSight:
Let us take another look on the reasons why many Christians feel Jesus of Nazareth is Almighty God.

Interested discussants are invited.

However specifically -

GabrielShow24
Boomark

kkk, tag others as well. Let's make it interesting.

And as for that clout-chaser above—the self-proclaimed specialist in false accusations against me, Emusan, and others—he’s always projecting his own mindset onto everyone else. He cries that ‘all accuse him,’ yet he’s the chief accuser on this platform. He even dragged Madam Julia into it over ‘transcendental’ 😅. Thank God she revived that thread, I’d forgotten it even existed.

The truth is, he’s just bitter. Imagine accusing me of falsely accusing him about the epistemological definition of God—for three whole months straight 😅. Emusan, you really are doing well to still entertain him.

Julia25:
Why won't we believe he is Christ?

He had and exhibited the fullness of God.

Ephesians 3:18-19 NRSV
[18] I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [19] and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


Fullness of God can be given to believers. Wait for rebuttal today and you will see that it was God's decision to give his fullness to Christ and it can also be given to believers.

The foundation of trinity is based on twisted scriptures and lack of understanding.

gohf:
You called in Gabriel the accuser 🤣, it would be better to find someone who would be more interested in a honest dialogue

He has been silent to me after I proved he mocked Jesus' words and "do you believe in Jesus' words" which I asked them. He called Jesus word and my question false dichotomy.

They don't know what they are doing.

Boomark:
Ephesians 3:18-19 NRSV
[18] I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [19] and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


Fullness of God can be given to believers. Wait for rebuttal today and you will see that it was God's decision to give his fullness to Christ and it can also be given to believers.

The foundation of trinity is based on twisted scriptures and lack of understanding.

Because God gave us Christ hence we have the fullness of God

Julia25:
Because God gave us Christ hence we have the fullness of God

Yes. So how then will Trinitarians come and say that since Christ has the fullness of God, it means that he is equal to God. They don't even know that it was given to him by God. They don't have respect for the Father. Trinity Is the agenda of satan and the antichrist against the Father who reconciled us to himself since they lost when Christ died and resurrected.

God the Father is the owner of Godhead (divine nature). It is his nature and not a position for trinity or 3 persons. The Father, who is One God over all owns it.

See my rebuttal on it. Trinitarians don't understand scripture. They don't know the meaning of things.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136513274

You can't pick holes in what I wrote because they are true.

Boomark:
Ephesians 3:18-19 NRSV
[18] I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [19] and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


Fullness of God can be given to believers. Wait for rebuttal today and you will see that it was God's decision to give his fullness to Christ and it can also be given to believers.

The foundation of trinity is based on twisted scriptures and lack of understanding.

just ask them is God is anointed the honest ones would say no, yet they will still claim that God is Christ, like Christ has another meaning besides the anointed.

It's simple understanding like this that some of them lack that makes it tiring to even be in a conversation with them

Boomark:
He has been silent to me after I proved he mocked Jesus' words and "do you believe in Jesus' words" which I asked them. He called Jesus word and my question false dichotomy.

They don't know what they are doing.

he won't stay silent for long, watch him wiggle his way out of the truth so as to justify himself.

The guy accused me falsely for many months even after I showed him proof he refused it, I decided to discard it and I give him a fresh slate, I defined God again for him and yet he ran away again. All he cares about is making up false accusations, even if he has to make up things so that the person he is accusing would not have time or find it hard to prove otherwise

Boomark:
Yes. So how then will Trinitarians come and say that since Christ has the fullness of God, it means that he is equal to God. They don't even know that it was given to him by God. They don't have respect for the Father. Trinity Is the agenda of satan and the antichrist against the Father who reconciled us to himself since they lost when Christ died and resurrected.

God the Father is the owner of Godhead (divine nature). It is his nature and not a position for trinity or 3 persons. The Father, who is One God over all owns it.

See my rebuttal on it. Trinitarians don't understand scripture. They don't know the meaning of things.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136513274

You can't pick holes in what I wrote because they are true.

Now the simple understanding of the verse you quoted, Ephesians 3:19 is Paul telling us that knowing this love of Christ, fills us with all the fullness of God.

Yet why they are asked is being full of God make one God, they are divided some say yes we are gods (even though some of them would honestly say no). But they say yes because they want to be believe that the same fullness (pleroma) in col 2:9 is different and that one means to them that Christ is God.

What's funny is that, one is full of God the other is full of divinity, between the two who should be more of a part of the God trio, should it not be the one full of God.

I realized that to those who are blind, be it truth or logic, they just can't see any of it.

gohf:
Now the simple understanding of the verse you quoted, Ephesians 3:19 is Paul telling us that knowing this love of Christ, fills us with all the fullness of God.

Yet why they are asked is being full of God make one God, they are divided some say yes we are gods (even though some of them would honestly say no). But they say yes because they want to be believe that the same fullness (pleroma) in col 2:9 is different and that one means to them that Christ is God.

What's funny is that, one is full of God the other is full of divinity, between the two who should be more of a part of the God trio, should it not be the one full of God.

I realized that to those who are blind, be it truth or logic, they just can't see any of it.

Please who measured the one that fullness of God and the one that is incomplete fullness of God?

Let them answer this.

gohf:
just ask them is God is anointed the honest ones would say no, yet they will still claim that God is Christ, like Christ has another meaning besides the anointed.

It's simple understanding like this that some of them lack that makes it tiring to even be in a conversation with them

Their problem is not ordinary. The hand of satan, antichrist, and delusion God cast on those who refuse to believe the truth is at work in them.

Boomark:
Yes. So how then will Trinitarians come and say that since Christ has the fullness of God, it means that he is equal to God. They don't even know that it was given to him by God. They don't have respect for the Father. Trinity Is the agenda of satan and the antichrist against the Father who reconciled us to himself since they lost when Christ died and resurrected.

God the Father is the owner of Godhead (divine nature). It is his nature and not a position for trinity or 3 persons. The Father, who is One God over all owns it.

See my rebuttal on it. Trinitarians don't understand scripture. They don't know the meaning of things.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136513274

You can't pick holes in what I wrote because they are true.

So let me guess, according to you, Jesus was given God's nature . Ok...what nature did he have as the word of God before his earthly dispositions?

Also, let me see what you understand by the "Spirit of God" because technically God is a spirit but yet he has a Spirit? Is this spirit in the same nature has God?

I don't get what you drive at , if you state the nature of God in its fullest is imputed or "given" to the God head then based on capabilities, are they not the same? Your "diversification" is more functional, as the Father is the head of Christ which is well exemplified in the logos; the same way the man is the head of the woman . Still, they are of the same nature.

Do you understand the above? You are only focused on functional roles not ontological roles. If this is your full-proof rebuttal then you are just repeating trinity creeds

The bible also adds that we will be like him, Christ, therefore we will have his nature because he has the nature of God. Hence our end result, ontologically speaking, is God(or like) but functionally we are subject to Christ.

Do you also understand the above?

Julia25:
So let me guess, according to you, Jesus was given God's nature . Ok...what nature did he have as the word of God before his earthly dispositions?

Also, let me see what you understand by the "Spirit of God" because technically God is a spirit but yet he has a Spirit? Is this spirit in the same nature has God?

I don't get what you drive at , if you state the nature of God in its fullest is imputed or "given" to the God head then based on capabilities, are they not the same? Your "diversification" is more functional, as the Father is the head of Christ which is well exemplified in the logos; the same way the man is the head of the woman . Still, they are of the same nature.

Do you understand the above? You are only focused on functional roles not ontological roles. If this is your full-proof rebuttal then you are just repeating trinity creeds

The bible also adds that we will be like him, Christ, therefore we will have his nature because he has the nature of God. Hence our end result, ontologically speaking, is God(or like) but functionally we are subject to Christ.

Do you also understand the above?

Please where is the highlighted written in the Bible?

Julia25:
So let me guess, according to you, Jesus was given God's nature . Ok...what nature did he have as the word of God before his earthly dispositions?

Also, let me see what you understand by the "Spirit of God" because technically God is a spirit but yet he has a Spirit? Is this spirit in the same nature has God?

I don't get what you drive at , if you state the nature of God in its fullest is imputed or "given" to the God head then based on capabilities, are they not the same? Your "diversification" is more functional, as the Father is the head of Christ which is well exemplified in the logos; the same way the man is the head of the woman . Still, they are of the same nature.

Do you understand the above? You are only focused on functional roles not ontological roles. If this is your full-proof rebuttal then you are just repeating trinity creeds

The bible also adds that we will be like him, Christ, therefore we will have his nature because he has the nature of God. Hence our end result, ontologically speaking, is God(or like) but functionally we are subject to Christ.

Do you also understand the above?

I understood your questions.

In the beginning, the word of God is his speech. It was not Jesus.

Genesis 1:3 NIV
[3] And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

"Let there be lights" is word. His word created light because he didn't use machine to create it.

The world was created by his word.

You people became confused when his word was made flesh and was known as Jesus. Those who know the truth and the source of everything won't be confused by this below.

The world was created by Jesus (his word)

This is why trinitarians don't want me to rest. They refused to accept the source while holding unto the surface.

The other questions will be answered in my last claim tonight or tomorrow morning in the trinity challenge thread.

I don't know where you got the bolded. It is too early to start making mistakes.

Julia25:
So let me guess, according to you, Jesus was given God's nature . Ok...what nature did he have as the word of God before his earthly dispositions?

Also, let me see what you understand by the "Spirit of God" because technically God is a spirit but yet he has a Spirit? Is this spirit in the same nature has God?

I don't get what you drive at , if you state the nature of God in its fullest is imputed or "given" to the God head then based on capabilities, are they not the same? Your "diversification" is more functional, as the Father is the head of Christ which is well exemplified in the logos; the same way the man is the head of the woman . Still, they are of the same nature.

Do you understand the above? You are only focused on functional roles not ontological roles. If this is your full-proof rebuttal then you are just repeating trinity creeds

The bible also adds that we will be like him, Christ, therefore we will have his nature because he has the nature of God. Hence our end result, ontologically speaking, is God(or like) but functionally we are subject to Christ.

Do you also understand the above?

Does your statements in bold mean that a time will come when men will be co-equal with the Father because they will have the same nature as the father?

MaxInDHouse:
Please where is the highlighted written in the Bible?

It's boomark's claim

Boomark:
They don't even know that it was given to him by God. They don't have respect for the Father. Trinity Is the agenda of satan and the antichrist against the Father who reconciled us to himself since they lost when Christ died and resurrected.

God the Father is the owner of Godhead (divine nature). It is his nature and not a position for trinity or 3 persons. The Father, who is One God over all owns it.

Just going with the flow of his position.

Trinity Is gone. No one is equal to his maker.

You all should return to God the Father. That was the purpose of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. To reconcile us back to God. Jesus is the way to God.

Go and read Romans I:19-23. You don't honour God as God.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136538674

You reject the words of Jesus. You reject what God has done. Trinity Is prepared by satan and the antichrist against God the Father. They don't want him to recieve all the glory that belongs to him.

Julia25 this answered all your questions.

Truthseeker10:
Does your statements in bold mean that a time will come when men will be co-equal with the Father because they will have the same nature as the father?

The bible categorically states that we are joint heirs with Christ, we will rule with him. The same way Christ rules with God Rev3:21. By nature, we are all the same because we will be like him! Ontologically, we will have Christ's nature, God's nature, In its fullness upon us. 1john3:2, Romans8:17, Gal4:7, Gal 3:29, 1Peter 1:4, John1:12, Hebrew 1:2, John17:22.

The Father has delivered all judgement to the Son but we, the saints, will perform judgement on the world along with Jesus. 1cor6:2, Luke 22:30, Dan7:22, Rev 20:4, Matthew 19:28, Rev 3:21.

So yes, ontologically speaking, we will be co-equal to God. Functionally, not so as Christ is head of us and God the Father is head of Christ 1Cor 11:3, (cf Col3:19). This is what I believe.

Boomark:
Trinity Is gone. No one is equal to his maker.

You all should return to God the Father. That was the purpose of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. To reconcile us back to God. Jesus is the way to God.

Go and read Romans I:19-23. You don't honour God as God.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/7#136538674

You reject the words of Jesus. You reject what God has done. Trinity Is prepared by satan and the antichrist against God the Father. They don't want him to recieve all the glory that belongs to him.

Julia25 this answered all your questions.

Nice write-up, you still shied from answering my question .

Is there anything God can do that his Spirit can't? You have only shown that in identity they are not the same.

Now, the core of your issue lies in the misunderstanding of Jesus' words in the earthly context (flesh). You claim Jesus is the word of God, may I ask... was flesh not given life by God? Were Flesh not made by God? So if Jesus becomes Flesh are those statements not still True .
Mind you, God is the God of the living, God over all flesh. Since Jesus became "flesh" does that not make God his God . Further more he went to heaven in this " Son-esque" state or glorified "human" state, so don't you think it's fitting about what he says in Revelation.

Paul understood this clearly and states so in Phil2:6. His word, his Spirit are all in the form of God even before the world began.

These three are all transcendent but are not the same as you, yourself has proven .
Now, the Jewish context has always put God as one, although it's plural and the plural majestic terms do not exist within.

So may I ask you, how the Lord of Israel is one? When the word itself is inherently plural without any justification for the plural majestic term .
Perhaps, the issue of "one" is the problem you have.

Boomark:
I understood your questions.

In the beginning, the word of God is his speech. It was not Jesus.

Genesis 1:3 NIV
[3] And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

"Let there be lights" is word. His word created light because he didn't use machine to create it.

The world was created by his word.

You people became confused when his word was made flesh and was known as Jesus. Those who know the truth and the source of everything won't be confused by this below.

The world was created by Jesus (his word)

This is why trinitarians don't want me to rest. They refused to accept the source while holding unto the surface.

The other questions will be answered in my last claim tonight or tomorrow morning in the trinity challenge thread.

I don't know where you got the bolded. It is too early to start making mistakes.

Based on what you said, is the word of God not God?
Perhaps an earthly example will enlighten you on what you have missed, is the word of Tinubu not carrying the same authority as him?

The word of Tinubu are "executive orders" in some sense and are invariably presidential in every form. So how beit, Jesus, the eternal word of God. He carries every sense of authority as God the Father. This is even before his incarnate existence as a man .

In summary, are your words not carrying the same authority as you? Yes or No.

Now, let me get you ... You assert Jesus and the primordial "word of God" are not the same? are you sure about this?

Boomark:
I understood your questions.

In the beginning, the word of God is his speech. It was not Jesus.

You now even contradicted yourself in the same write up

Boomark:
I understood your questions.

In the beginning, the word of God is his speech. It was not Jesus.

The world was created by Jesus (his word)

May I ask, how then is this possible?—Jesus is and isn't the "word of God"?

Julia25:
The bible categorically states that we are joint heirs with Christ, we will rule with him. The same way Christ rules with God Rev3:21. By nature, we are all the same because we will be like him! Ontologically, we will have Christ's nature, God's nature, In its fullness upon us. 1john3:2, Romans8:17, Gal4:7, Gal 3:29, 1Peter 1:4, John1:12, Hebrew 1:2, John17:22.

The Father has delivered all judgement to the Son but we, the saints, will perform judgement on the world along with Jesus. 1cor6:2, Luke 22:30, Dan7:22, Rev 20:4, Matthew 19:28, Rev 3:21.

So yes, ontologically speaking, we will be co-equal to God. Functionally, not so as Christ is head of us and God the Father is head of Christ 1Cor 11:3, (cf Col3:19). This is what I believe.

it seems you are alone in your belief and interpretation.