₦airaland Forum

Agbalowomeri:
Another way to avoid this tax now is to gather your household and open account for them and use multiple accounts to trade

chimex38:
This is how it was reported but not how he presented it in context in the video.

He actually gave a caveat before using the example.
1)He said sth in the line of "this is not what should be said in a church but....."
2)It wasn't a church service but the venue was used for the enlightenment seminar.
3) the goal was to use an example the people could relate to.
4) most explanations in the Bible about Israel and their fall to idol worshippers uses the so "prostitute analogy"
From Old Testament till Revelation.
This is obviously what people will relate with more in understanding that all service rendering is taxable

Joyful365:
So many egg heads on this thread are praising Dangote. It shows why Nigeria is this sick and lacking development.

There's no single country that has developed where the working class has low purchasing power due to poor wages and poor working conditions.

Unions are there to enforce the right of workers, especially in a capitalist environment fueled by greed and a corrupt, incompetent government.

Nigeria is where it is today because 80% of the working class are underpaid and ill-treated - whether in the private sector or in the public sector.

Don't let the greed of what you stand to gain by purchasing Dangote refinery shares make you turn a blind eye to the bad and greedy behaviour of the capitalist.

Whatever you will gain, whatever wealth you will build, you won't have the security and peace to enjoy it in a society where majority of the working class is living from hand to mouth and engaging in unethical conducts to make ends meet.

There's no hiding place for any of you.

And I like the fact that the west is tightening its visa laws and making it harder for you to run there after supporting nonsense in your country. You will stay back here to enjoy the monster you all create because of greed and shortsightedness.

You heard of the Arise TV lady whose life has been taken in the president's own FCT. Criminals like those who did this act are created because of the hopelessness created by greedy monopolists and capitalists who take advantage of the unemployment situation in a country to underpay workers and make them work under unfavorable conditions.

There's no hiding place for anyone, innocent or not, if you continue to support a society fueled by greed and economic deprivation of majority.

You won't enjoy your wealth in peace. You can not enjoy your wealth in peace in such environment.

unite4real:
FIRS will carry out a SUBSTANCE OVER FORM (Beneficial Ownership test)

in this case you have to ensure that funding the accounts were not from you. If you send money to their account before they transferred it to the brokerage account, then it will be tracked.

Also make sure that the proceeds from sales do not end up in your account. If they sell and the money goes to your account through their account, then you are the beneficiary.

Unless you have to allow them use the proceeds or gains that they cash out to solve their personal problems without your interventions.

these tax guys are prepared on paper but whether they are physical and technically prepared is what i doubt strongly

SonofElElyonRet:
@1 and 2: So why was he quick to admit it shouldn't be said in Church? That was gathering of believers. Church isn't the building. It was inappropriate for the setting
@3: The goal was to say they want your money as tax, no matter the source
@4:If the bible used the analogy of the prostitute, it was to ultimately teach Israel to forsake their "immorality/promiscuity" with other gods and be faithful to Yahweh. Which moral does collecting tax from prostitutes teach? Not on all fours..

Anyway, you've had your say and I've had mine. We agree to disagree...

handsomebolanle:
Isn’t it better for other employers to sack every PENGASSAN member??
Let every employer stop all this nonsense.

Let’s not get petty on these matter.

mikeapollo:
Do you know some joint accounts do not have BVN?

essentialone:
Please who has a functioning phone number of First Registrars?

unite4real:
FIRS will carry out a SUBSTANCE OVER FORM (Beneficial Ownership test)

in this case you have to ensure that funding the accounts were not from you. If you send money to their account before they transferred it to the brokerage account, then it will be tracked.

Also make sure that the proceeds from sales do not end up in your account. If they sell and the money goes to your account through their account, then you are the beneficiary.

Unless you have to allow them use the proceeds or gains that they cash out to solve their personal problems without your interventions.

these tax guys are prepared on paper but whether they are physical and technically prepared is what i doubt strongly

Agbalowomeri:
How many staff dem get to do all these?

handsomebolanle:
Dangote will be looking out for government intervention or prove sabotage…

For those being sentimental about $20bn private blah blah

handsomebolanle:
You make it sound as though PENGASSAN is a cult of destruction.
Sir, with all due respect. This is WRONG!!!
Please be objective.

SonofElElyonRet:
@1 and 2: So why was he quick to admit it shouldn't be said in Church? That was gathering of believers. Church isn't the building. It was inappropriate for the setting
@3: The goal was to say they want your money as tax, no matter the source
@4:If the bible used the analogy of the prostitute, it was to ultimately teach Israel to forsake their "immorality/promiscuity" with other gods and be faithful to Yahweh. Which moral does collecting tax from prostitutes teach? Not on all fours..

Anyway, you've had your say and I've had mine. We agree to disagree...

chimex38:
Of you are in Nigeria which I believe you are, you will understand that in the shirt term of 5-6yrs,
DR workers would have little or no reason to complain or go on strike for welfare purposes..
Check out his pay packages and allowances to staff In his other businesses and compare standards.
How many times have they protested..
Those that left, how many have complaining bitterly about the workplace..
No business is perfect but the net-gain always offsets the net-loss of most if not all his workers.

PENGASSEN coming on stream is likely to go on strike on welfarism of other oil and gas companiy workers than on DR workers in the next 1-3yrs and thus they want to drag DR workers along. Crippling the Refinery at its inception!!

This DR situation is peculiar.

DR workers can have a union, it's their right but its best within the DR or better still join the DIL group conglomerate union if any.
It shouldnt have to be with the government which will infiltrate their minds into cunning deals and sabotage the DR while fighting for other companies.

Joyful365:
Have you ever worked in any big Nigerian company? If you have then you will not be selling this sort of false hope that workers there will start to feel no need to complain.

Go out and find out from Nigerians working in Banks and other big FMCG companies. Despite these companies increasing the price of their products and services due to inflation and devaluation and raking in billions in profits, they have refused to increase the wages and salaries of their workers, majority of whom they place under contractors so they can avoid paying good wages, compensation and benefits.

These workers cannot cry out because there's high unemployment and they can't join unions or they'll be sacked. So, many just manage the job and then use loans and other unethical means to augment their wages. Think of the policeman who extorts and collects bribe on the road. Think of First Registrars who don't have a functional phone number. I'm sure they're trying to cut cost and they've fired the customer service personnel who should handle such tasks. Think of the electricity worker who will collect bribe and help you bypass meters. All of this problem stems from being poorly paid and compemsated for whatever job you do.

And the result on the overall economy is obvious. People with low purchasing power cannot patronise business at a scale that causes mass growth and development. Nigeria's textile industry has gone comatose because people can't afford to buy new clothes, not necessarily because they're expensive, but because their purchasing power is low relative to price of the clothes, despite the fact that they're working, sometimes 60-80 hours every week.

It's only the oil sector workers that have been a bit insulated from this exploitative habit of Nigerian companies underpaying workers, using them as contract staff and preventing them from joining unions.

Check Total, Chevron, Aradel and the likes. Majority of their employees are doing well. Even an Aradel security employee was buying stocks of the company not too long ago.

Check AEDC, UBA, First Bank, Coca Cola, Dangote Cement and other big non oil companies. Majority of their workers are living from hand to mouth. Many of their workers are chronic debtors to loan apps and many others now place their hope on Bet9ja and Baba Ijebu. These are people who are genuinely working and truly deserve a good life. But they can't because the companies they work in want them to remain poor and controllable.

Those who cannot stomach such conditions jejely arm up and take to real crime. That is why you're seeing an increasing trend in insecurity across Nigeria. Poverty and crime are always positively correlated and the foundation of such poverty is traceable to the situation Dangote is trying to achieve by preventing workers from unionising so that he can later turn them into contract staffs, keep their salaries stationary for years and easily stackable.

No society progresses under such conditions. If Dangote gets his way, other companies will copy him and that will be the end of the Nigerian labour force.

No Nigerian who is patriotic and understand the big picture and interconnectedness of all the situations I have described and more will support what Dangote is doing. Nigeria and the interest of all Nigerians should always be paramount.

The Indians he'll hire to replace those workers will be paid at least $1500 per month. But he'll be happy to pay Nigerians $300 and claim that they're earning well. It just shows you how much he values Nigerians.

Joyful365:
The Indians he'll hire to replace those workers will be paid at least $1500 per month. But he'll be happy to pay Nigerians $300 and claim that they're earning well. It just shows you how much he values Nigerians.

KarlTom:
I estimate that about 20% - 35% will be listed.

FOte$ already holds a good chunk (about 5%), NNPCL about 7.2%

unite4real:
FIRS will carry out a SUBSTANCE OVER FORM (Beneficial Ownership test)

in this case you have to ensure that funding the accounts were not from you. If you send money to their account before they transferred it to the brokerage account, then it will be tracked.

Also make sure that the proceeds from sales do not end up in your account. If they sell and the money goes to your account through their account, then you are the beneficiary.

Unless you have to allow them use the proceeds or gains that they cash out to solve their personal problems without your interventions.

these tax guys are prepared on paper but whether they are physical and technically prepared is what i doubt strongly

KarlTom:
Please can you confirm which side you stand?

You seem to be in support of shutting everything down and at the same time you support going to court.

Oil and water don't mix...

Streetinvestor2:
Compensation on what.Have u ever created a business that has employed people. U think u can dictate to many ceo of private businesses this kind of rubbish. Go try it with some people I know.And ur village people will smile at u. Many of those union leaders who have private businesses. Many of thr workers cannot cough thr.
Alhaji is too gentle and ready to speak English with ur group. If it is me.I won't even follow u sit to talk if I have warned u first. When I sack u and u carry aluta come.u will know we all did aluta for uni and street

mikeapollo:
Remaining workers to resign ke? Can you do that?
There are better qualified unemployed hands outside who would jump to accept the same jobs immediately! Who has union helped in Nigeria where it is survival of the fittest.

When it is time for them to pay rent to landlord, they can go and call union to help them pay!

chimex38:
I will play
@ 1) to be sensitive to the venues owners believe, sacred building, etc, make audiences' mind ready to receive the unexpected and accept it with a receptive reaction(sice the mind has been made ready with the caveat).

It wasn't a gathering of believers, it was a secular and civil related gathering of Nigerians. Other religions could even attend and will be welcomed to participate and even ask questions.
Your No @4 you just proved my point @3 why he also used the same analogy.
To quote you in context:
it was to ultimately teach Nigerians(Israel) to understand that (forsake) their "services" ("immorality/promiscuity" with other people (gods) will (and) be taxed (faithful to Yahweh).

Yes. Bible was on Morals. But the analogy as used in the Bible wasn't just on Morals alone; it also has to do with what the people(naive/novices) could easily relate with; a very potent example.

Same with the tax law, the novice Nigerians like me need to understand what services entails in the law and what isn't and there are only a handful of examples that can do justice to its national understanding irrespective of literacy level.
This is the most potent

SonofElElyonRet:
Which moral does collecting tax from prostitutes teach?

emmanuelewumi:
I guess Trinity Tower was the venue of the discussion he had last week with Capital market operators.

They only used a venue owned by a church. Christians, moslems, atheists and agnosts attended the meeting.

It was not a church service nor a gathering of saints

handsomebolanle:
Dangote will be looking out for government intervention or prove sabotage…

For those being sentimental about $20bn private blah blah

awesomeJ:
Actually he had the session at NGX at 2pm, then left for a different session at Trinity towers at 4pm same day.

Agbalowomeri:
How many staff dem get to do all these?

awesomeJ:
I don't understand for them o 😁😁😁

Streetinvestor2:
If whr u are working is not ok by ur standards. Oga resign and go start ur own thing. Leave that comfort zone and go start ur own thing.Your cord is not tired to another man success or business.
Every other thin na noise.If he didn't employ u would u have forced him.why can't the union create employment after all this yrs.What have they been doing with the money they have been collecting all this yrs.Have u seen how thr leaders live larger than life
Is good he sacked them.They will learn the hard way.A family member worked with alhaji Cement for yrs and was paid well.When they terminated her job.She was paid off well.She bought land and built good house and went into farming. She is doing well

Streetinvestor2:
I hope u are not one of the sacked people. The union cannot save u..lol