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Ken4Christ:
You already called him who is his- The Father God. He created all things through Jesus. That is the connection.

Ken4Christ:
You already called him who is his- The Father God. He created all things through Jesus. That is the connection.

gohf:
leave this your sophistry, who is THE creator? Jesus or God?

sonmvayina:
They won't try it. If they do, God will punish them. Christianity is built on two pillers that God hates..human sacrifice and idolatry.
So any right thinking man will do well to avoid it.

Ken4Christ:
Scriptural Evidence that Jesus is Co-Creator with God the Father

The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus Christ is not a created being, but the eternal Creator who existed with God the Father from the beginning. Below are scriptural proofs showing that Jesus shares in the divine nature and creative work of God.
John 1:1–3, 10, 14 (KJV)

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

Explanation: Jesus (the Word) existed in the beginning, was with God, and was God. He made all things; He is the Creator, not a creation.

Colossians 1:15–17 (KJV)
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth... all things were created by him, and for him.”

Explanation: Jesus is both Creator and Sustainer. 'Firstborn' means preeminent, not first created.

Hebrews 1:1–3, 8, 10 (KJV)
“By whom also he made the worlds... Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.”

Explanation: The Father calls the Son 'God' and attributes creation to Him.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...”

Explanation: The plural 'us' shows divine partnership — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit involved in creation.

John 17:5 (KJV)

“Glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

Explanation: Jesus existed with the Father and shared His eternal glory before creation.

Philippians 2:5–7 (KJV)
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God...”

Explanation: Jesus existed in divine form before taking human nature.

Micah 5:2 (KJV)
“Out of thee shall he come forth... whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Explanation: The Messiah (Jesus) is eternal — His existence is from everlasting.

Revelation 1:8, 17–18 (KJV)
“I am Alpha and Omega... I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore.”

Explanation: Jesus calls Himself Alpha and Omega, the same title used by God the Father.
John 8:58 (KJV)

“Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Explanation: Jesus used God’s own name 'I AM', revealing His eternal existence and deity.

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV)
“One God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things.”

Explanation: Creation is of the Father and by the Son — showing unity and equality in creation.
Summary of the Truth

• Jesus is eternal — He existed before creation.
• Jesus is Creator — all things were made by Him.
• Jesus is God — He shares the same glory, power, and nature with the Father.
• Jesus is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Truthseeker10:
What is the reference point of "The beginning" in John 1:2?

Ken4Christ:
The creation of the heavens and the earth.

The Father and Jesus existed before the creation. They were both there at the beginning of creation.

Ken4Christ:
Scriptural Evidence that Jesus is Co-Creator with God the Father

The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus Christ is not a created being, but the eternal Creator who existed with God the Father from the beginning. Below are scriptural proofs showing that Jesus shares in the divine nature and creative work of God.
John 1:1–3, 10, 14 (KJV)

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

Explanation: Jesus (the Word) existed in the beginning, was with God, and was God. He made all things; He is the Creator, not a creation.

Colossians 1:15–17 (KJV)
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth... all things were created by him, and for him.”

Explanation: Jesus is both Creator and Sustainer. 'Firstborn' means preeminent, not first created.

Hebrews 1:1–3, 8, 10 (KJV)
“By whom also he made the worlds... Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.”

Explanation: The Father calls the Son 'God' and attributes creation to Him.

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...”

Explanation: The plural 'us' shows divine partnership — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit involved in creation.

John 17:5 (KJV)

“Glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

Explanation: Jesus existed with the Father and shared His eternal glory before creation.

Philippians 2:5–7 (KJV)
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God...”

Explanation: Jesus existed in divine form before taking human nature.

Micah 5:2 (KJV)
“Out of thee shall he come forth... whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”

Explanation: The Messiah (Jesus) is eternal — His existence is from everlasting.

Revelation 1:8, 17–18 (KJV)
“I am Alpha and Omega... I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore.”

Explanation: Jesus calls Himself Alpha and Omega, the same title used by God the Father.
John 8:58 (KJV)

“Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Explanation: Jesus used God’s own name 'I AM', revealing His eternal existence and deity.

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV)
“One God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things.”

Explanation: Creation is of the Father and by the Son — showing unity and equality in creation.
Summary of the Truth

• Jesus is eternal — He existed before creation.
• Jesus is Creator — all things were made by Him.
• Jesus is God — He shares the same glory, power, and nature with the Father.
• Jesus is co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Ken4Christ:
Below are Scripture Evidence that Jesus is worshipped. Refute each of them with reasonable arguments that they weren't worships otherwise remain silent forever on this issue:

During Jesus' Earthly Ministry

1. The Wise Men Worship Jesus – Matthew 2:11
"And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him..."

2. A Leper Worships Jesus – Matthew 8:2
"And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.’"

3. A Ruler Worships Jesus – Matthew 9:18
"While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.’"

4. The Disciples Worship Jesus After Walking on Water – Matthew 14:33
"Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Truly You are the Son of God.’"

5. The Canaanite Woman Worships Jesus – Matthew 15:25
"Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’"

6. The Disciples Worship Jesus After His Resurrection – Matthew 28:9

"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him."

7. The Eleven Disciples Worship Jesus – Matthew 28:17
"When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted."

8. The Blind Man Worships Jesus – John 9:38
"Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he worshiped Him."

9. Thomas Worships the Resurrected Jesus – John 20:28

"And Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’"

In the Book of Revelation

1. Angelic Worship of the Lamb – Revelation 5:11-12

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:
‘Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!’"

2. All Creation Worships the Lamb – Revelation 5:13-14

"And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
‘Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!’"

3. The Redeemed Worship the Lamb – Revelation 7:9-10

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!’"

gohf:
it's good that you stated Jesus is worship as the Lamb of God and not worshipped as another God nor as God Himself

Truthseeker10:
ah....baba don finally run after been exposed by Meta ai that his interpretation of John 17:24 is ambigously referring to eternal past or beginning of the universe. Sorry oo. Take heart. Bye bye.

Gabrielshow24:
your insufficient god 🤨that's totally dependent on human beings for love🤕. He is also apparently dependent on human beings for Father hood🤕 to add to his ever growing list of insufficiency 👀. This even reminds me of Tenq's question not too long ago about your god's dwelling place before he made the world 🤕. It's become crystal clear, your concept of godship is no different to Allah! You both are of the same flock😅.

Janosky:
Oga,Continue deceiving yourself with spurious claims.

The God Almighty whose name Alone is Jehovah , is the Most High God , Psalms 83:18 is in your copy of the Bible.
He is the ONLY God that Jesus worshipped, Matt 4:10.

You can't even show respect for the holy Bible.
That is the evidence of your "Christianity."

Gabrielshow24:
I don't need to, I properly understand the message passed across.

You are the one that has to explain to us, how Jesus is a creation😅. I have given you metrics to work with. Is Jesus within or without Time? 🤨

You should know with me, you can't escape. There's nowhere to run😁. Need I remind you that you ran away from one question...which you are still running from...For over four months 😮‍💨. I am sure you will run away at the end of the day 😉.

Pls, show us why we should believe ’your god’ is the ’uncaused causer’ when apparently he needs ’causes’ to attain a lot of things😳?

Janosky:

Oga,all your WAILING has not change the sacred text of Revelation 3:14
Jesus is "beginning of the creation by God." Jesus himself said so.

Imperfect man like you can't change the perfect knowledge of Jesus Christ that God sent Jesus to reveal to believers.

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Gabrielshow24:
Fallacy of irrelevance. I asked about your god not the True God👀. You have also committed Fallacy of false equivocation by equating your ’mutable god’ to the ’immutable God'🤨

Pls, let us know how your god was an eternal Father when he didn't have a son? 🤨

Janosky:

Psalms 83:18 & John 17:3 exposes WAILERS
"That men may know that you whose name is Jehovah, you ALONE art the Most High over all the earth. "

John 17:3, Jesus confessed that Jehovah the only true God the Most High sent Jesus.

Ken4Christ:
The creation of the heavens and the earth.

The Father and Jesus existed before the creation. They were both there at the beginning of creation.

Gabrielshow24:
I didn't ask for all this circumlocution 🤨. I asked for how your god is an Eternal Father without an Eternal Son? 🤔

How's this hard for you, given your unprecedented number of years as an Elder? 🤨

Gabrielshow24:
Irrelevant🥱... Pls, tell us how your god is an Eternal Father when he doesn't have an eternal son? Pls, you are ’an elder’... Act like one🤨. All these years of indoctrination, you should have come up with a defense for this🤔. We are waiting for the result of these years🤨.

Emusan:
He can't provide just single screenshot

That is the evidence that you're lying.

Janosky:
The Son WILL BECOME Eternal Father @ Isaiah 9:6..
Emphasis @ WILL BECOME... (reference to a future fulfilment)

Oga, did Isaiah 9:6 teach you the son WILL BECAME Eternal Father had eternal son before ?

Uwa azagha.

Emusan:
No wonder you can't provide the screenshot of the Rev 3:14 Interlinear verses

Arché is the word translated and see the meaning below.

*1
arché: Beginning, origin, ruler, authority, principality

*2
Since Heb 1:2 already proved Jesus is not part of the UNIVERSE then it means the beginning (even when used) shouldn't be understood as part of Creation but the right rendition is ORIGIN, RULER OR AUTHORITY.

come with another lie.

Janosky:
Jesus "is the beginning of the creation by God", @Revelation 3:14
Pastor ken know say " @ the beginning of Creation " is NOT ,can NEVER mean " @ the ruler of creation."
The truth must stand out.

Ken4Christ:
Which truth?

Gabrielshow24:
That's why I am asking you👀

How did your god become an Eternal Father when he hath no Eternal Son? 🤨

Furthermore, my question is not about when the Son will become Eternal Father🤨. Kindly refer to the above to see my question 👀 and stop stalling🥱.

Oga,continue asking . .. .

You proven you don't know the meaning of "He WILL BE Called......."

Maybe the man in the screenshot would assist you.
Contact him jare.

Ken4Christ:
Which truth?

They were both there at the beginning of creation.

gohf:
why do the guilty run and manufacture false evidence when none was asked for.

You avoided the simple question asked you and you are here twisting scriptures

Let me ask you another question instead, are there two creators?

And do you admit you used the word "the creator" wrongly?

Gabrielshow24:
Are you implying Jesus existed before the creation of man? Remember man was made in Genesis 1🤧 and Scripture has it that Jesus made everything. You also ridiculously affirmed that He is the Everlasting Father😂.

Now keeping in mind the above, when did your god make the universe? And how is my phrase 'eternity past' wrong?🤨

By the way, I have explained that. Re-read my write-up and cure your redundancy 🥱.

Ken4Christ:
Before he became the Lamb of God, he was worshipped. Didn't you read the references.

The title, Lamb of God of Jesus was used above all other title because it was his precious blood that brought us salvation. It didn't change who he is.

He is God in the flesh and as such deserves our worship.

God the Father commanded all angels to worship him.

gohf:
lol 🤣🤣 humor us, what was he "before he became the lamb of God"?

Another question so God needed to command the angels to worship another God?

Janosky:
*1 Screenshot evidence
For instance,He is of Fresh Origin does NOT mean
He is of French ruler/principality/authority.
Correct meaning : He is of French origin parentage ( ,in his case, Jesus is a creature of God his Father).

*2. Oga,the Universe is a part (subset ) of Creation.

Oga,Stop deceiving yourself.
Revelation 3:12,14 in your Bible.