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Emusan:
If Arché which some translations translated as BEGINNING also means ORIGIN/RULER then it means the writer of Rev 3:14 doesn't have in mind that Jesus was THE FIRST CREATED BEING the phrase you can never find anywhere in the Holy scripture.

Emusan:
Definitely, it's the liar like you that ascribes that false interpretation to that verse.

Everyone knows what ORIGIN means and that the word ORIGINATOR found its root from the word ORIGIN.

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Janosky:
Oga stop deceiving yourself.
Arkhe beginning is NOT archon Ruler.

You don't have any evidence of reading the mind of John.
The Revelation 3:14, Jesus ,says he is the beginning of the creation by God".

Jesus is the Creation by God.
That is the Bible truth.

Did Origin (Greek 746 & originator Greek 747mean have the same meaning?
Definitely not at all.


Biblehub screenshot referenced 4 different Trinitarian translations to prove that Arkhe is beginning @ Rev 3:14.
Originator is not in any Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.

If "Origin" is your name & your name on WAEC result is wrongly spelt as originator, you would reject it.
Oga, stop lying & deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Oga, you are lying .
Screenshot evidence /dictionary.
"Definition of origin
1
as in source
a point or place at which something is invented..

Synonyms of origin - Source, ancestry, cradle, beginning etc."

Emusan:
See how you just exposed your lying mouth once and for all.

Now, ORIGIN also means SOURCE (remember you first denied this) whick is my point.

Rev 3:14 proves that Jesus is the SOURCE of ALL CREATION not the first to be created.

More screenshot is needed let's go..

Oga Geologist, Is the source of every river created?
Are rivers part of creation?
Oga, you are deceiving yourself

Screenshot evidence /dictionary.
"Definition of origin
1
as in source
a point or place at which something is invented..

Synonyms of origin - Source, ancestry, cradle, beginning etc."

Emusan:
I'll only stop deceiving myself if you have the mind to provide the screenshot from Biblehub.

You can't run away from your hypocrisy.

Just provide the screenshot from Biblehub the meaning of Arché.

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Emusan:
Every word had its root.

ORIGINATOR is from the word ORIGIN.

Proof me wrong first.

See what you AI says about the root of ORIGINATOR.

You must be hard with Bible truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ try to educate yourself at least if those pastors have reduced you to what we don't know that's not the end of you.

Life ends at death that's what God said! Genesis 2:17; Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Ken4Christ:
One of the lies Rutherford and Russell planted in your heart. You are under the grip of their false teachings. You believe what they say more than what the scripture clearly teaches.

Janosky:
Oga, can you pls provide evidence that Rutherford & Russell wrote Genesis 2:7 & Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 in your own bible?

Pls stop deceiving yourself.

Ken4Christ:
One of the lies Rutherford and Russell planted in your heart. You are under the grip of their false teachings. You believe what they say more than what the scripture clearly teaches.

Janosky:
Your fellow Trinitarian , Bill Mounce who knows Greek better than you do says Originator is @ Hebrews2:10,@ Hebrews 12:2, @Acts 3:15, Acts 5:31.
Originator is NOT @ Revelation 3:14 screenshot evidence.

Janosky:
Biblehub screenshot evidence of 3 different Trinitarian Translations with word for word Greek translation of ἀρχή @ Rev 3:14.

KJV your old Bible version wey you love pass NAS & NIV says ἀρχή is beginning.

Bill Mounce ,Greek scholar & Trinitarian proven that
ἄρχων, -οντος, ὁ
Greek transliteration:
archōn is the Greek word for Ruler in Matthew 9:23, Matthew 20:25 etc
Archon is NOT @Revelation 3:14.
The spelling & pronunciation is even different.
Oga, you are deceiving yourself.
Biblehub did NOT put Archön @ Rev 3:14
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Janosky:

Oga Geologist, Is the source of every river created?
Are rivers part of creation?
Oga, you are deceiving yourself

Screenshot evidence /dictionary.
"Definition of origin
1
as in source
a point or place at which something is invented..

Synonyms of origin - Source, ancestry, cradle, beginning etc."


The truth dey pain am .
The reason Emusan avoided the question:
Is the Source where river Ethiope starts flowing part of the river?

Oga Geologist deceiving himself refused to answer.
His dictionary explained that Origin is synonym of source,ancestry,beginning & genesis etc.
But, Oga seeks comfort in making excuses to cover up his lies.

MaxInDHouse:
What the scriptures clearly teach is that God caused the existence of man {Genesis 2:7} so He has the power to end it {Genesis 2:17} not that man can't cease to exist. Such ideas is from Satan not God! Genesis 3:4

Ken4Christ:
Don't worry. My books exposing your false teachings will soon be released.

Emusan:
So in a nutshell Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATIONS according to Rev 3:14.

Do you agree?

Emusan:
The challenge is which word translated as 'BEGINNING'?

Then provide the screenshot from Biblehub for the meaning of Arché.

Don't have high BP yet.

Just provide the screenshot and let's see if Arché means ORIGIN/RULER

You can keep running from pillar to post.

Ken4Christ:
Here are clear and comprehensive Bible passages (KJV) that show that the torment in hell is eternal (forever and ever) — not temporary or symbolic:

1. Matthew 25:46

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

Explanation:
The same word everlasting (Greek: aionios) is used for both punishment and life. If eternal life is forever, then eternal punishment must also be forever.

Ken4Christ:
2. Mark 9:43–48

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

Explanation:
Jesus repeatedly emphasized that the fire of hell will never go out and the torment will never end. The phrase “their worm dieth not” signifies continual decay and pain without relief.

Ken4Christ:
Here are clear and comprehensive Bible passages (KJV) that show that the torment in hell is eternal (forever and ever) — not temporary or symbolic:


5. Matthew 18:8

“Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.”

Explanation:
Jesus calls it everlasting fire — the same phrase used to describe the fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41).

Ken4Christ:
6. 2 Thessalonians 1:8–9

“In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God... Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.”

Explanation:
Everlasting destruction doesn’t mean annihilation, but a continuous state of ruin [/b]and separation from God’s presence.

Ken4Christ:
7. Jude 7

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha... are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

Explanation:
Though the cities were destroyed, their judgment serves as a symbol of the eternal nature of divine punishment — the fire of God’s wrath never ends.

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You can't be using Old Testament references to buttress your point when greater light has been revealed in the New Testament.

Janosky:
Oga,according to the pronouncement of Yahweh @Genesis 3:19, is Adam serving "eternal punishment?"
Where is Adam serving eternal punishment?

Ken4Christ:
Unbelief will send you to hell. Continue.

Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Alpha and Omega. Your Unbelief doesn't change the truth. But it will set you on the pathway of destruction.

Emusan:
So in a nutshell Jesus is the SOURCE OF ALL CREATIONS according to Rev 3:14.

Do you agree?

gohf:
if Jesus is THE source then what is the Father God

Janosky:
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

You are not interested in the truth at all.

3 screenshots evidences from Biblehub, Bill Mounce Biblical Concordance & Dictionary - word for word meaning of Arkhe - BEGINNING.

gohf:
to believe in Jesus is to trust what he revealed about himself any other thing bro is deception

And Jesus never called himself God and only acknowledged that he the son of man is the son of God.

You dodge simple questions and come here to tell someone that unbelief will send them to hell, meanwhile you do not even believe the truth of God's word but some doctrines of nicolatians

Janosky:
5.
Matthew 18:9 proves that in verse 8,Jesus is referring to "Gehenna" @ Matt 18:8.
Gehenna is not a place of torment.
NEVER at all !!!.

Oga,destruction is synonym of ANNIHILATION ,RUIN etc.
Whatever is destroyed, ruin,annihilated can not exist anymore let alone in God's presence.
Oga,your interpretation is not accurate.


Pastor ,are the cities of Gomorrah & Sodom in torment at this moment ?

Since we know both cities are not in torment anywhere , we can conclude that Jude 1:7 agrees with 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.
That everlasting destruction is annihilation similar to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Yahweh did not send anybody to any place to torment forever.
Jesus won't torment anybody @ 2 Thess 1:8-9 in agreement with Jude 1:7.

Janosky:
Oga,according to the pronouncement of Yahweh @Genesis 3:19, is Adam serving "eternal punishment?"
Where is Adam serving eternal punishment?


Jesus said "fire of Gehenna." in the Greek manuscript of Mark 9:43-48.
Go and verify for yourself.

Gehenna is Jerusalem's incinerator in the time of Jesus Christ.
There is no place in Jerusalem called "fire of hell".
No living person was taken to Gehenna .
Oga, your interpretation is not true.

Emusan:
The Father is also THE SOURCE.

Is there anything the Father has that Jesus doesn't have?

Ken4Christ:
If you don't know that Jesus is God, then your state is worse than unbelief.

He said he is Alpha and Omega. What does that mean to you.

He is the I Am.

He is the resurrection and the life.

He is the image of the invisible God

He is God (the Word) made flesh.

And too many more scripture evidence that points to the divinity of Jesus. May God open your eyes.

Ken4Christ:
Did you read English in school? I don't think so. There is nothing like annihilation. The beast and the fake prophet thrown into the Lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 are still acknowledged to be there after 1,000 years of Jesus reign in Revelation 20:10. Satan will join them after 1,000 years. They will not be annihilated.

You will still prefer to hold on to your lies in spite of evidence against it. Your punishment will be worse.

Ken4Christ:
Ken4Christ:
6. 2 Thessalonians 1:8–9

“In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God... [i]Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction [/i]from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.”
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Explanation:
Everlasting destruction doesn’t mean annihilation, but a continuous state of ruin [/b]and separation from God’s presence.
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Emusan:
The Father is also THE SOURCE.

Is there anything the Father has that Jesus doesn't have?