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Ken4Christ:
Jesus wasn't referring to the physical Gehenna because it was no longer used to burn children at the time Jesus mentioned it. It was used figuratively.

The Gehenna in Jerusalem couldn't fit into the description because Jesus said that the fire is not quenched. But there was no fire in Gehenna at the time Jesus made this statement.

He also said that the worms don't die. There's no physical place on earth were worms don't die. So, you should have a common sense that Jesus wasn't referring to the physical Gehenna.

Ken4Christ:
If you don't know that Jesus is God, then your state is worse than unbelief.

1.He said he is Alpha and Omega. What does that mean to you.

2. He is the I Am.

,3.He is the resurrection and the life.

4.He is the image of the invisible God

5. He is God (the Word) made flesh.

And too many more scripture evidence that points to the divinity of Jesus. May God open your eyes.

Janosky:
This screenshot evidence is how to identify LIARS who deceive themselves.

Janosky:
Pastor stop deceiving yourself OR continue LYING .
Gehenna is Jerusalem's incinerator
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gohf:
so the Source is something they both have and not who they are? what kind of crooked talk is that

The source means one definite source but because you like listening to the author of confusion you are hear mentioning two sources

Jesus is the source
The father is the source

If they ask you is Jesus the father you would type no

Emusan:
It means both ARE ONE and separable.

Jesus is not the Father.

Creation has ONLY ONE SOURCE and it's from The Father, Jesus & The Holy Spirit because they all caused the creation to happen and ALL ARE OUTSIDE OF CREATION.

These are well spelled out in the scripture.

Do you need Bible study on that?

gohf:
I am not please

tell us how the holy Spirit is the source and caused of creation to happen, when God already did that

Janosky:
Pastor stop deceiving yourself OR continue LYING .
Gehenna is Jerusalem's incinerator
Screenshot

Janosky:
Pastor, see where your LYING started with your false claim
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The screenshot dictionary meaning of destruction is ANNIHILATION.
Everlasting destruction is everlasting ANNIHILATION.
Pastor denying 2 Thessalonian 1:8-9 as well as denying the dictionary meaning of destruction.

Stop deceiving yourself and gullible folks.

Ken4Christ:
Don't deviate from these scriptures. Tell me Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:10 did not mean what it says.

Emusan:
I'm not here to please you but to show you what the word of God says.



"When God already did that..."

So, when did The Holy Spirit made man according to Job 33:4, was it after God has did His own creation then HOLY SPIRIT created His own creation or both happened at the same time?

Ken4Christ:
Why are you avoiding Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:10?

Read it with honest heart and tell me the beast and the false prophet disappeared after they were cast in- Revelation 19:20.

Revelation 20:10 which happened after 1,000 years of Jesus reign on earth acknowledged that the beast and the false prophet are still there. Satan himself joined them. And the scripture says:

"...and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."(Revelation 20:10).

Denying this plane truth and many others is one of the reasons I call you an Antichrist. You oppose every truth of God’s Word with your lies. You reject God’s Word to establish your lies.

Don't deviate from these scriptures. Tell me Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:10 did not mean what it says.

Pastor,You want to deflect the fact that you were LYING that ANNIHILATION is not destruction @ 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.


Pastor, why are you avoiding Revelation 9:4-5 & Matthew 18:34?

You don't know the actual meaning of Revelation 20:10 & 19:20.
The same Greek word 930/931 you think supports your claim was used @ Matt 18:34 & Revelation 9:4-5,which infact debunks your claim.

Ken4Christ:
You shot yourself at your foot. The quotation you cited says Jesus used it to represent the place of eternal destruction. It means that you agree it was used figuratively. Use your brain. Hell is real. It’s a place where the fire is never quenched. There's no fire presently burning in the physical Gehenna. But hell is still burning with fire until the day it will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. And those in it will experience greater torment.

Pastor ,did Jesus teach you that anyone was tormented in Gehenna?

How can you claim that eternal destruction means torment?


Oga, Jesus said Gehenna is not a place of torment.
Your hellfire is a place of torment.

Oga, know the difference.
Stop deceiving yourself.

Emusan:
It means both ARE ONE and separable.

Jesus is not the Father.

Creation has ONLY ONE SOURCE and it's from The Father, Jesus & The Holy Spirit because they all caused the creation to happen and ALL ARE OUTSIDE OF CREATION.

These are well spelled out in the scripture.

Do you need Bible study on that?

Janosky:
According to his screenshot.
Jesus his Almighty God is not the Father.

Oh Emperor Constantine !!!!!!!!!!

gohf:
the spirit of God makes a man speak the words and wisdom of God

or are you saying that Jesus wasn't the first born of the spirit and power of God?

Janosky:
Pastor,You want to deflect the fact that you were LYING that ANNIHILATION is not destruction @ 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.


Pastor, why are you avoiding Revelation 9:4-5 & Matthew 18:34?

You don't know the actual meaning of Revelation 20:10 & 19:20.
The same Greek word 930/931 you think supports your claim was used @ Matt 18:34 & Revelation 9:4-5,which infact debunks your claim.

Ken4Christ:
Now I know that you are very wicked. You reject a simple truth and attempt to explain it to suit your opinion. The scripture says that they will be tormented forever. It even added, night and day. But you say, it doesn't mean what it says. You see why I call you an Antichrist. You are a son of perdition; slain from the foundation of the world. You will understand what torment means when you are thrown into hell. But it would be too late to repent.

Ken4Christ:
Revelation 19:20 & 20:10 is an information. It doesn't require any interpretation. The information points to one fact: those thrown into the Lake of fire will never be annihilated. They are there tormented day and night. But, you reject this information and lie to people. .Your punishment will be worse than that of the devil.

MaxInDHouse:
Where is Adam the first sinner?🙂

If you can't answer what is happening to Adam then you have no understanding of what the Bible is saying!🙂

Janosky:
Revelation 19:17-21.
"And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 the rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Pastor, did Revelation 19:17-19,21 teach you that everyone punished by God was thrown into lake of fire?

Because of Revelation 19:17-19,21,do you agree that ONLY the devil and false prophets will not be annihilated?
Pastor, don't forget that Rev 19;17-19,21 is an information,it doesnt require any interpretation.
Pastor,you are deceiving yourself.

Ken4Christ:
Adam spirit can only be in two possible destinations; heaven or hell. And only God can determine that. His body went back to the dust like every other human.

Emusan:
Job was talking about CREATION.

Don't twist it.



I don't understand what you mean by "Jesus wasn't the FIRSTBORN of the spirit"

Jesus is the Power & Wisdom of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Did God say Adam has a spirit that will survive his body at death?

Ọmọ nah Satan you dey worship nah him tok sey Adam no go die finish {Genesis 3:4} but what God said is Adam will die as in cease to exist! Genesis 2:17; 3:19

Ken4Christ:
Abraham is a dependant of Adam. And Jesus said that Abraham is alive.

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

So, if Abraham can be regarded as living though physically dead, why do you think Adam can't also be living in the spirit realm?

Besides, the souls of Saints of Old that died went to Abraham’s bosom also known as paradise.

Adam was created in the image of God. And God is a Spirit being. So, man basically is also a spirit being. Adam’s body was later formed after he was created.

gohf:
job wasn't even the one speaking in job 33, why are you like this emusan when will you repent from your ways?

You don't understand the question I asked you?

Is Jesus not the firstborn

born of the spirit and power of God?

Very simple question bro that requires a honest answer, yes, he is not or no he definitely is the firstborn.

Emusan:
So it have been shifted to who is speaking not what was recorded as GOD'S WORD.

You read my post in a very simple sentence.

Jesus is the FIRSTBORN in a sense that He is PREEMINENCE.

Emusan:
The same word was used as Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of those who rose up in death.

I didn't see any of you interpret this as Jesus is the FIRST TO BE BORN FROM DEATH.
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In your Bible,did Yahweh resurrect at anytime?
Defintely NOT !
Yahweh can NOT die let alone resurrect, Psalms 93:2, Psalms 93:2.
Therefore,Only Yahweh's creatures die & be resurrected.
Jesus is a creature.
Simple.

Emusan:
This was only applied to Jesus during His earthly mission.



Firstborn is different from first created meanwhile a very honest and open minded person will know when Jesus was said to be the FIRSTBORN it was about PREEMINENCE
because the same Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of those who rose from death.

Read that Col 1:15-18 slowly and see Jesus as the Creator.

Janosky:
Jesus is firstborn simply means that Jesus is a creature like every other firstborn in the Universe.

In your Bible, did Yahweh resurrect at anytime?
Defintely NOT !
Yahweh can NOT die let alone resurrect, Psalms 93:2, Psalms 93:2.

Therefore,Only Yahweh's creatures die & be resurrected.
Jesus is a creature. Simple.

According to Emusan logic
Oga,why is Reuben Preeminent @ Genesis 49:3?

Emusan:
Show me where Reuben was said to be PREEMINENCE in Gen 49:3

MaxInDHouse:
Abraham is dead in his grave what Jesus meant is that Abraham is living in God's memory not that he is alive anywhere resurrection is the only hope all humans have and it's only dead people that will be resurrected not those living!🙂

Ken4Christ:
How did Abraham see Jesus.