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Emusan:
In the attached screenshot is how NET explained Col 1:15 'DON'T TURN A BLIND EYES TO THE LAST PART'

Do you agree with NET here or we should move further?

Emusan:
No! Paul who used the term FIRSTBORN also explained the meaning.

Emusan:
Paul said ALL THINGS were created through Jesus and FOR JESUS.

Jesus can't create Himself.

Emusan:
Jesus came to earth as human which makes him died.

Even Angels don't died and you believed Jesus is Angel so cute the crab.

Jesus died because Je became Human, will Jesus have died if he remains in heaven as Angel Michael you believe him to be?

I know you dare not answer this question

Or let me put it this way, all the Angels who can't died are all God as well

MaxInDHouse:
God promised to save mankind by means of Abraham's offspring {Genesis 12:1-3} when God made that statement Abraham had no single child so with eyes of faith he could see God's promise come to fulfillment that's why he was ready to sacrifice anything knowing fully well that God's promise will surely come to pass. That's what Jesus meant!

Janosky:
NET Bible is a Trinitarian version.
Paul did NOT believe their claim @ Col 1:15-16
NET ADDED "over" @ Col 1:16 ,Paul did not.

"God created the Universe " NOT his Son.
Paul did NOT put any Trinitarian opinion @ Colossians 1:15-16.
Everytime Paul wrote the expression "Through his son /through Jesus (him),Paul did NOT make Trinitarian claim there.
For example,@ Hebrews 1:2, @ 1 Cor 8:6
@ Colossians 1:16 " through him/Jesus/the son".
Paul ALWAYS wrote that God his Father is our Creator,Hebrew 3:4
Read Hebrews 1:2,Hebrew 3:4 & 1 Cor 8:6 from NET Bible & confirm your Trinitarian opinion rejected by Apostle Paul.

Janosky:

Matthew 11:10 and Luke 7:27 , John the baptizer is an angel of Yahweh.
Yahweh's angel are either human or spirit beings.
Go and verify.
John the baptizer one of Yahweh's angel died.
Jesus earthly ministry came into being because he is angel sent by Yahweh his Father just as Yahweh sent other angels visible to men.
Aggelos is both humans & spirits sent by God.
Screenshot evidence : Aggelos

Janosky:
Paul used used the term FIRSTBORN @ Heb 1:5,to say Jesus is the firstborn of God (in heaven) ,@ Col 1:15, to say Jesus is "Firstborn of every creature".
But your Trinitarian mentors put their own Trinitarian opinion in the footnotes.
Paul is a Jew,Jews are not Trinitarians.
To Paul,"Firstborn" @ Genesis 49:3 meant "firstborn" @ Col 1:15,@ Heb1:5.

[b]Paul used that expression to say "God Yahweh created the Universe (& ALL things).
Paul's Hebrew 1:2, 1 Cor 8:6,Heb 3:4 agrees with Paul's Colossians 1:15-16.
But the Trinitarian interpretation goes against
Paul's Hebrew 1:2, 1 Cor 8:6,Heb 3:4.
God the Father (ANCESTOR,SENIOR) of ALL is the Creator of His son ,Jesus Christ.
Jesus calls God Yahweh "my Father" (SENIOR, (ANCESTOR, ELDER).

Did Yahweh use such term for anybody?
No/Never !!!!
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Emusan:
Their interpretation goes against Paul now

So why did you use the same people that their interpretation goes against Apostle Paul in Prov 8?

Hypocrite, I know you thou

Emusan:
So it's now you know NET is a Trinitarian Version

All of a sudden, NET doesn't have the Truth anymore

I know you'll chicken out.

That screenshot will continue to torment you.

Emusan post:
So why did you use the same people that their interpretation goes against Apostle Paul in Prov 8?

Emusan have confirmed that his Trinitarian/NET opinion on Col 1:15-16 is conflicting against the holy book of Proverbs 8:22-30 on the same subject matter of creation.
Paul's writing affirms Proverbs 8:22-30,your Trinitarian opinions did not.
Emusan dey vex.

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Emusan:
My question,

Can Angel Michael die?

Janosky:
Oga, wants to deflect & save face.
However,this screenshot of aggelos (angels) is accurate.

Janosky:
Emusan post:
So why did you use the same people that their interpretation goes against Apostle Paul in Prov 8?

Emusan have confirmed that his Trinitarian/NET opinion on Col 1:15-16 is conflicting against the holy book of Proverbs 8:22-30 on the same subject matter of creation.
Paul's writing affirms Proverbs 8:22-30,your Trinitarian opinions did not.
Emusan dey vex.

Janosky:
The Bible truth dey pain you.

*. NET footnotes evidence of Proverbs 8:22 destroyed their claim & your claim about Col 1;15-16.
NET proved that Wisdom (Jesus) created being personified @ Proverbs 8:22-30 is Agency ,NOT the Creator.
@ Col 1:15-16, Jesus is the agency NOT the Creator.
Oga,NET your fellow Trinitarians evidence demolish your joint opinions about Col 1:15-16
Oga,continue deceiving yourself & WAILING

Janosky:
Allow them exercise their right to console themselves.

Proverbs 8:22-30 NET Bible evidence nah rich sauce aromatic stew anytime anyday.

Ken4Christ:
Abraham is physical dead, yet he had conversation with the rich man who despised Lazarus. You will say it's a parable.

MaxInDHouse:
Abraham is dead in his grave what Jesus meant is that Abraham is living in God's memory not that he is alive anywhere resurrection is the only hope all humans have and it's only dead people that will be resurrected not those living!🙂

Ken4Christ:
What about the souls of the dead that cried to God for vengeance. How could they cry if the dead are unconscious?
Revelation 6:9-10
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE SLAIN for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 AND THEY CRIED with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth.

MaxInDHouse:
Which part of the body survives death?🙂

Ken4Christ:
If you are born again, your spirit and soul lives on.
If you are not born again, your soul lives on. Your spirit is dead because of sin.

MaxInDHouse:
Paul said the dead in Christ will rise first to join Jesus in the sky! 1Thessalonians 4:16

Which part of them is in their graves that will rise?
Their body, spirit or soul?

Ken4Christ:
The spirits of those who are born again are in heaven after death. When Jesus comes back, they will come back with Jesus and be reunited with their bodies.

So, its their spirit and soul that will be reunited with their bodies. They will resurrected with a brand new body.

MaxInDHouse:
So they will come back before going to meet Jesus in the sky again shey?😂

Ken4Christ:
Absolutely. The passage below confirms it:
1 Thessalonians 4:15
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so THEM ALSO WHICH SLEEP IN JESUS WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.

MaxInDHouse:
Did the passage say their spirit will come from heaven and enter the grave again before flying back to heaven?

Ken4Christ:
It is implied. Those who sleep in Christ goes to heaven in their spirit form.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you back this with the scriptures?

Ken4Christ:
Even when I give you Scripture evidence, you will still not believe. You seem to be possessed with the spirit of unbelief.

MaxInDHouse:
God's word never said spirit goes to heaven and come back into dead bodies so stop lying deceiving yourself!🙂

Ken4Christ:
Scripture clearly affirms that when believers (the saints) die, their spirits go immediately to be with Christ in heaven. Below are the key biblical passages that support this truth, with explanations for each:

1. Philippians 1:21–23
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Explanation:
Paul says dying is gain because it means departing to be with Christ. This shows that at death, the believer’s spirit does not sleep or remain on earth but immediately enters Christ’s presence in heaven.

2. 2 Corinthians 5:6–8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Explanation:
This passage teaches a direct transition: when a believer is absent from the body (through death), he or she becomes present with the Lord. There is no intermediate delay or soul sleep; the spirit goes immediately to be with Christ in heaven.

3. Luke 23:42–43
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Explanation:
Jesus assured the repentant thief that today; that very day, he would be with Him in paradise. This is clear proof that at death, the spirit of the redeemed immediately goes to be with Christ.

4. Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Explanation:
At death, the physical body returns to the earth, but the spirit goes back to God. For the believer, this means being consciously present with the Lord in heaven.

5. Acts 7:59
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Explanation:
As Stephen was dying, he committed his spirit directly to the Lord Jesus; showing his confidence that his soul would go immediately to Christ in heaven.

6. Revelation 6:9–11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Explanation:
John saw the souls of martyrs alive and conscious in heaven before the resurrection, showing that the spirits of saints live in God’s presence after death.

7. Hebrews 12:22–23
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Explanation:
In heaven are the spirits of just men made perfect; the departed saints whose spirits dwell in the presence of God.

8. Revelation 7:9–15 — The Tribulation Saints in Heaven

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Explanation:
These tribulation saints are clearly seen in heaven before the throne of God, worshipping the Lamb after having been killed during the Great Tribulation. Their physical bodies had been destroyed on earth, but their spirits were alive in heaven. They had not yet received their glorified bodies (which happens at the resurrection), yet they were conscious, joyful, and serving God in His presence.
This is strong confirmation that the spirits of believers go immediately to heaven upon death; even before their bodily resurrection