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Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by blueAgent(op): 5:48pm On Nov 22, 2025
Emusan:
I'm glad you agreed with Phil 2:5 that Jesus is equal to God.
Do you understand that verse?
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by blueAgent(op): 5:49pm On Nov 22, 2025
sonmvayina:
You did not even try to make a counter contribution? What is your own take?
See what psalm 104 :29-31 said

29 When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.
30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the ground.

31 May the glory of the Lord endure forever;
may the Lord rejoice in his works
Make an input, people are following.
Go through my thread, I have written a topic on Soul and spirit and what they mean in the Bible.

Kindly go through them.
Thanks
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by blueAgent(op): 5:52pm On Nov 22, 2025
Truthseeker10:
blueAgent do you agree with the submission above since you claim that Jesus is not equal to God?
How is he equal?

Is that the only Bible verse that talks about Jesus's relationships with his father?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by Truthseeker10: 6:26pm On Nov 22, 2025
blueAgent:
How is he equal?

Is that the only Bible verse that talks about Jesus's relationships with his father?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
So are you saying that you don't agree with Emusan interpretation of Phillipians 2:6 that Jesus is equal to God? Can you please explain Philippians 2:6 that you quoted...
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2)are you also saying that the bible verses that you quoted above contradicts Philippians 2:6?
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by Truthseeker10: 6:26pm On Nov 22, 2025
Emusan:
I'm glad you agreed with Phil 2:5 that Jesus is equal to God.
Please prove that I agree or I block you.
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by blueAgent(op): 7:30pm On Nov 22, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that you don't agree with Emusan interpretation of Phillipians 2:6 that Jesus is equal to God? Can you please explain Philippians 2:6 that you quoted...
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

2)are you also saying that the bible verses that you quoted above contradicts Philippians 2:6?
You are really confused.
The Bible verse said although Jesus was in FORM of GOD, meaning he had the nature,image,glory, of GOD he never made himself equal to GOD.

The Bible verse never said JESUS was equal to GOD


This is my last response to you, You appear to be mischievous.
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 10:42pm On Nov 22, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I have told you countless times that you have no right to correct an adult like you because from age 18 and above each person has the right to choose whatever they want to do or believe.
That's the work of the authority {Romans 13:3-4} not individuals because the authority has weapons of fear to punish whoever goes against their rules and if anyone feels he is not pleased with their system of rule then you are free to move to another place! Matthew 10:23
You can only correct your own child who is still under your supervision and adults who submitted to you as their teacher but claiming you want to correct adults like you who never see you as their teacher is presumptuous!🙂
Only a fool is above correction
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by sonmvayina(m): 10:56pm On Nov 22, 2025
blueAgent:
Go through my thread, I have written a topic on Soul and spirit and what they mean in the Bible.

Kindly go through them.
Thanks
Just say something here. I can't start doing that now. For the sake of this thread.
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by Truthseeker10:
blueAgent:
You are really confused.
The Bible verse said although Jesus was in FORM of GOD, meaning he had the nature,image,glory, of GOD he never made himself equal to GOD.
The Bible verse never said JESUS was equal to GOD


This is my last response to you, You appear to be mischievous.
So you are disagreeing with Mr Emusan on this platform that Jesus is not equal to God Even though you quoted Phillipians 2:6?

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

What is the meaning of "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" as shown in the bible verse that you quoted above? Can you please explain that statement to Mr Emusan who is not a Jw on this platform and claims that Jesus is equal to God?
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by Emusan(m): 11:11am On Nov 23, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Please prove that I agree or I block you.
Can you imagine this, using block to threatening me cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

You're a coward if you don't press that block button now as your life depends on it.
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by Emusan(m): 11:36am On Nov 23, 2025
blueAgent:
You are really confused.
The Bible verse said although Jesus was in FORM of GOD, meaning he had the nature,image,glory, of GOD he never made himself equal to GOD.

The Bible verse never said JESUS was equal to GOD


This is my last response to you, You appear to be mischievous.
You need to do more research about Phil 2:6, that verse explicitly says Jesus is EQUAL to God.

I can't take you through back and forth discussion I had with Grok AI(for now, maybe I can do that later) but let me just drop this for you.

My question: So in essence, you're saying Phillipians 2:6 proves that Jesus is equal to God and has God's nature

Grok: Yeah, that’s the gist of it! Philippians 2:6 is a heavy hitter—when it says Jesus “was in the form of God” and “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,” it’s laying out that He’s not just close to God or a step below; He shares God’s nature and status. The Greek “morphē theou” (form of God) isn’t a superficial label—it’s about His core essence matching God’s. And “equality with God” (isos, meaning equal in quality or rank) wasn’t something He had to reach for because He already had it. So, yes, this verse locks in that Jesus is divine, equal to God, with the same uncreated, eternal nature. Then He adds humanity (verse 7) without losing that divinity. It’s a straight-up claim that His starting point is God’s level, not anything less. Does that sit right with you?
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by blueAgent(op): 2:40pm On Nov 24, 2025
sonmvayina:
Just say something here. I can't start doing that now. For the sake of this thread.
https://www.nairaland.com/5667107/why-there-resurrection


https://www.nairaland.com/5704487/what-goes-heaven-hell-it
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by sonmvayina(m): 6:50pm On Nov 24, 2025
blueAgent:
https://www.nairaland.com/5667107/why-there-resurrection


https://www.nairaland.com/5704487/what-goes-heaven-hell-it
I was part of those threads. This is one response that best fits you.

"that is inspired by the Holy spirit.... Seems you really don't want to learn but argue on facts you don't know...

Shalom"
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:42am On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
Only a fool is above correction
And are you the wise one who should correct everyone? cheesy
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 12:23pm On Nov 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
And are you the wise one who should correct everyone? cheesy
You have said it yourself. So do not be a foolish one that refuses correction.
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:59pm On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
You have said it yourself. So do not be a foolish one that refuses correction.
Correction from someone who doesn't welcome anyone as teacher! cheesy
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 1:08pm On Nov 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Correction from someone who doesn't welcome anyone as teacher! cheesy
You got it all wrong. I love listening and learning but once I figure out that you are a false teacher, I can't accept your poison
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:10pm On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
You got it all wrong. I love listening and learning but once I figure out that you are a false teacher, I can't accept your poison.
How do you distinguish between a true and false teacher? smiley
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 1:12pm On Nov 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
How do you distinguish between a true and false teacher? smiley
I use the bible. Now over to you, how do you distinguish?
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:14pm On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
I use the bible. Now over to you, how do you distinguish?
I use the Bible so how do you use the Bible?
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 1:19pm On Nov 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I use the Bible so how do you use the Bible?
Good i like where this is going. So we both agree that we should depend on the content of the bible band not guesswork or the opinion of a select white people.
So for example What does the bible teach about life after death?
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:29pm On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
Good i like where this is going. So we both agree that we should depend on the content of the bible band not guesswork or the opinion of a select white people.
So for example What does the bible teach about life after death?
To avoid contradictions among his followers Jesus handed over the teaching of his group to a group of trusted men so that all his disciples can have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10} and in the first century all his disciples everywhere submitted to the teachings of these few selected men {Act 2:42} this helped them to agree on doctrine as they will always send members to go and ask for what these selected men would say on every matter! Act 15:1-2

So let's focus on what Jesus said about how to distinguish between the true and false teachers ! Matthew 7:15-20

Are you ready?🙂
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 1:34pm On Nov 25, 2025
No
MaxInDHouse:
To avoid contradictions among his followers Jesus handed over the teaching of his group to a group of trusted men so that all his disciples can have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10} and in the first century all his disciples everywhere subjected to the teachings of these few selected men {Act 2:42} this helped them to agree on doctrine as they will always send members to go and ask for what these selected men would say on every matter! Act 15:1-2

So let's focus on what Jesus said about how to distinguish between the true and false teachers ! Matthew 7:15-20

Are you ready?🙂
Yes Jesus Christ handed over his ministry to his apostles and we know what the apostles and early disciples of Jesus Christ taught because it is recorded in the bible.
And yes from the verses you mentioned, I have from day one focused on your fruits and I see that they are poison.
How do I know? Because they are contrary to the word of God.
You are the very people we are warned against in Matthew 7:15-20
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 1:53pm On Nov 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
To avoid contradictions among his followers Jesus handed over the teaching of his group to a group of trusted men so that all his disciples can have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthans 1:10} and in the first century all his disciples everywhere submitted to the teachings of these few selected men {Act 2:42} this helped them to agree on doctrine as they will always send members to go and ask for what these selected men would say on every matter! Act 15:1-2

So let's focus on what Jesus said about how to distinguish between the true and false teachers ! Matthew 7:15-20

Are you ready?🙂
I know you always complain when I give 2 responses but don't worry it is for the best. I have spent a good number of years discussing with you so can call myself a bit of an expert in knowing the fruits of the JW.
Before meeting you, I deeply respected the organization. I had many close JW friends. I have been to their services severally.
I didn't agree with some of their teachings but I felt that on the average, the JW was a good a just organization that ultimately drew men closer to God.

Then I met you and I discovered it was much deeper and darker than I knew. The JW as an organization will at first present itself as an angel of light but it is very far from that.
The organization actually doesn't believe the word of God.
They only depend on what their leaders say. They will use the bible as a debating tool until it no longer favors them.
They actually teach hate yet they pretend not to hate. How do I know? I have seen how they treat ex member and anyone that disagrees with them. They even have fancy names for those that don't buy into their doctrines.
The entire organization is a shame and a sham.
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:23pm On Nov 25, 2025
So in a nutshell you can IDENTIFY false prophets if i'm to go by what Jesus said false prophets will gather members who can't practice what Jesus and his Apostles taught. But it's OK now that you have concluded JW organization has false teachers can you now present the true teachers and explain what FRUIT they produced?🙂

tctrills:
No
Yes Jesus Christ handed over his ministry to his apostles and we know what the apostles and early disciples of Jesus Christ taught because it is recorded in the bible.
And yes from the verses you mentioned, I have from day one focused on your fruits and I see that they are poison.
How do I know? Because they are contrary to the word of God.
You are the very people we are warned against in Matthew 7:15-20
tctrills:
I know you always complain when I give 2 responses but don't worry it is for the best. I have spent a good number of years discussing with you so can call myself a bit of an expert in knowing the fruits of the JW.
Before meeting you, I deeply respected the organization. I had many close JW friends. I have been to their services severally.
I didn't agree with some of their teachings but I felt that on the average, the JW was a good a just organization that ultimately drew men closer to God.

Then I met you and I discovered it was much deeper and darker than I knew. The JW as an organization will at first present itself as an angel of light but it is very far from that.
The organization actually doesn't believe the word of God.
They only depend on what their leaders say. They will use the bible as a debating tool until it no longer favors them.
They actually teach hate yet they pretend not to hate. How do I know? I have seen how they treat ex member and anyone that disagrees with them. They even have fancy names for those that don't buy into their doctrines.
The entire organization is a shame and a sham.
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 3:44pm On Nov 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you can IDENTIFY false prophets if i'm to go by what Jesus said false prophets will gather members who can't practice what Jesus and his Apostles taught. But it's OK now that you have concluded JW organization has false teachers can you now present the true teachers and explain what FRUIT they produced?🙂
At least now we both come to an agreement
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:53pm On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
At least now we both come to an agreement.
OK if that is what you call "agreement"cheesy
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 4:20pm On Nov 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
OK if that is what you call "agreement"cheesy
Or you want to continue to disagree?
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:35pm On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
Or you want to continue to disagree?
I asked you a question and you chickened out claiming you have agreed nah! cheesy

It was how to distinguish between TRUE teachers and FALSE teachers not just setting your own standard and judging without presenting your true teachers nah! cheesy
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by blueAgent(op): 4:59pm On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
I know you always complain when I give 2 responses but don't worry it is for the best. I have spent a good number of years discussing with you so can call myself a bit of an expert in knowing the fruits of the JW.
Before meeting you, I deeply respected the organization. I had many close JW friends. I have been to their services severally.
I didn't agree with some of their teachings but I felt that on the average, the JW was a good a just organization that ultimately drew men closer to God.

Then I met you and I discovered it was much deeper and darker than I knew. The JW as an organization will at first present itself as an angel of light but it is very far from that.
The organization actually doesn't believe the word of God.
They only depend on what their leaders say. They will use the bible as a debating tool until it no longer favors them.
They actually teach hate yet they pretend not to hate. How do I know? I have seen how they treat ex member and anyone that disagrees with them. They even have fancy names for those that don't buy into their doctrines.
The entire organization is a shame and a sham.
100% well said
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by tctrills: 5:39pm On Nov 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I asked you a question and you chickened out claiming you have agreed nah! cheesy

It was how to distinguish between TRUE teachers and FALSE teachers not just setting your own standard and judging without presenting your true teachers nah! cheesy
You use words you don't even understand. I already told you that we should use the standard of the bible and you agreed.
And using the standard of the bible, I asked you what happens to man after death, but you refused to answer. Or do you have a better standard than the bible? Lets hear
Re: Is Jesus An Angel, That Became The Son Of God? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:44pm On Nov 25, 2025
tctrills:
You use words you don't even understand. I already told you that we should use the standard of the bible and you agreed.
And using the standard of the bible, I asked you what happens to man after death, but you refused to answer. Or do you have a better standard than the bible? Lets hear
NO!
That's not the point we agreed to resolve with the Bible it's about how to DISTINGUISH BETWEEN TRUE and FALSE TEACHERS.
That's why i quoted Jesus who said it's by their fruits {Matthew 7:15-20} so after condemning an organization claiming they are false teachers i asked you to present the good teachers at least those who taught you the Bible!🙂
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