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awesomeJ:
Just two problems:
1. Do I have another 7 years to spend mastering a new market as much as I've mastered this one?
2. While N1bn here would make you hold good stance, it can't even but 2000 unit's of Alphabet Class A.

Ololo got billions about 20 years ago, it is possible for you to get it in 2025 provided people trust your performance and workings, not minding the disclaimer from SEC that your Hedge Fund is not regulated by them

SonofElElyonRet:
Ok. Let's see you get approved then

Not getting approved doesn't disprove the fact that your comment about merely running odds is an assumption. Cos the proof that it is is already here- the fact that I'm not running any odds.

emmanuelewumi:
Ololo got billions about 20 years ago, it is possible for you to get it in 2025 provided people trust your performance and workings, not minding the disclaimer from SEC that your Hedge Fund is not regulated by them

Maybe that was his priority.

Doesn't mean it's mine.

I just have a goal to trade 1% of the market consistently, and I'll take any leverage I can find to achieve that, then joyfully share part of the proceeds with the providers of such leverage.


Next time you see the guy, ask him if that was exactly his own goal as well.

awesomeJ:
You don't seem to understand my point.

The market needs to grow way beyond your basic style of buy, hooooold, sell.


It makes no sense for an entire country not to license hedge funds, it shows lack of sophistication.


I don't need your advice on how to build a fund, what is needed is for you to realize that financial markets have advanced way beyond dividends and coupons which are the only old school things you seem to know.

AI Overview



+6
There are no guaranteed returns with hedge funds; they aim for high returns using complex, risky strategies (leverage, shorting) but can also lose significant money, especially during market downturns, with high fees potentially reducing net gains, making them suitable only for wealthy, accredited investors seeking absolute returns, not safety.
Key Characteristics of Hedge Funds (No Guarantees)
Goal: To generate absolute returns, meaning profits in both up and down markets, not just beat the market.
Strategies: Employ advanced techniques like leverage, derivatives, and short selling, which increase risk alongside potential reward.
Risk vs. Return: Higher potential returns often come with higher risks and significant fees (e.g., "2 and 20" structure).
Market Sensitivity: Even top-performing funds can plunge when market conditions change unexpectedly.
Lack of Transparency: Less regulated and transparent than mutual funds, with less frequent disclosure of holdings.
Why They're Not "Guaranteed"
No Safety Net: "Hedging" aims to reduce risk, not eliminate it, and completely risk-free strategies would yield zero profit.
Manager Skill is Key: Success depends heavily on the fund manager's skill, which isn't constant.
Market Volatility: Complex strategies can backfire, leading to significant losses.
In essence, hedge funds are for sophisticated investors who understand and can afford high risk for the potential of outsized gains, not for guaranteed income like some fixed-income products.

awesomeJ:
Every day I place orders buy and sell, what gets filled is not up to me.

But there's hardly any day I don't trade.

Hardly any day I trade less than 100 deals sef.

ok.i thought thr are days u only place buy only and maybe after another day u place only sell
Have you sold all your total oil

Streetinvestor2:
ok.i thought thr are days u only place buy only and maybe after another day u place only sell
Have you sold all your total oil

983 units left.

Was around 5700 units when it got stuck.

awesomeJ:
Not getting approved doesn't disprove the fact that your comment about merely running odds is an assumption. Cos the proof that it is is already here- the fact that I'm not running any odds.

Hedge funds "bet".. high risk to gain maximum returns which makes losing huge money a real possibility. With what you are suggesting, you are simply "betting" that you'll get much more wins than losses to be able to sustain the "payouts"

SonofElElyonRet:
AI Overview



+6
There are no guaranteed returns with hedge funds; they aim for high returns using complex, risky strategies (leverage, shorting) but can also lose significant money, especially during market downturns, with high fees potentially reducing net gains, making them suitable only for wealthy, accredited investors seeking absolute returns, not safety.
Key Characteristics of Hedge Funds (No Guarantees)
Goal: To generate absolute returns, meaning profits in both up and down markets, not just beat the market.
Strategies: Employ advanced techniques like leverage, derivatives, and short selling, which increase risk alongside potential reward.
Risk vs. Return: Higher potential returns often come with higher risks and significant fees (e.g., "2 and 20" structure).
Market Sensitivity: Even top-performing funds can plunge when market conditions change unexpectedly.
Lack of Transparency: Less regulated and transparent than mutual funds, with less frequent disclosure of holdings.
Why They're Not "Guaranteed"
No Safety Net: "Hedging" aims to reduce risk, not eliminate it, and completely risk-free strategies would yield zero profit.
Manager Skill is Key: Success depends heavily on the fund manager's skill, which isn't constant.
Market Volatility: Complex strategies can backfire, leading to significant losses.
In essence, hedge funds are for sophisticated investors who understand and can afford high risk for the potential of outsized gains, not for guaranteed income like some fixed-income products.

I don't know your reason for dumping AI slop here sha, but you need to realize that it's garbage in, garbage out.

If you asked Ai "do hedge funds guarantee returns" you would obviously get this sort of slop.


Now try asking correctly "is it possible I run a hedge fund that guarantees a certain percentage return to investors"


You should get the right answer now.

If you input garbage, you would get same as output.

SonofElElyonRet:
Hedge funds "bet".. high risk to gain maximum returns which makes losing huge money a real possibility. With what you are suggesting, you are simply "betting" that you'll get much more wins than losses to be able to sustain the "payouts"

No I'm not.
I'm simply scaling up a strategy that has succeeded for years.

awesomeJ:
I don't know your reason for dumping AI slop here sha, but you need to realize that it's garbage in, garbage out.

If you asked Ai "do hedge funds guarantee returns" you would obviously get this sort of slop.


Now try asking correctly "is it possible I run a hedge fund that guarantees a certain percentage return to investors"


You should get the right answer now.

If you input garbage, you would get same as output.

O boy I'm having a good laugh
I asked "correctly" on Google and got below. You shouldn't have been so cocky and should've typed it first to see what you get

No, you cannot run a legitimate hedge fund that guarantees a specific return because hedge funds inherently involve risk and aim for absolute returns (positive returns regardless of market) rather than guaranteed outcomes; any fund promising guaranteed returns is likely a scam or operating under a misleading structure, as true guarantees are rare in investing and usually found in fixed-income (like bonds or T-bills). Hedge funds use complex, risky strategies, aiming to beat the market, but face high fees and volatility, so potential returns are never certain, and past performance doesn't guarantee future results.
Why guaranteed returns are a red flag for hedge funds:
Risk vs. Reward: Hedge funds are alternative investments designed to generate high returns, but this comes with substantial risk, making guarantees impossible.
"Absolute Return" vs. "Guaranteed Return": They aim for absolute returns (positive returns in any market), not guaranteed returns like a CD or Treasury bond, which offer fixed interest.
Complexity & Volatility: Strategies involve leverage, derivatives, and shorting, which amplify both gains and losses, notes Growth Capital Ventures.
High Fees: The typical "2 and 20" fee structure (2% management, 20% performance) eats into profits, and returns are not assured, according to Investopedia and Corporate Finance Institute.
Investor Suitability: Hedge funds are for sophisticated, wealthy investors (accredited investors) who understand these risks, says Investor.gov.
What to do if you want guaranteed returns:
Look into low-risk, government-backed options like Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) or certificates of deposit (CDs).

awesomeJ:
983 units left.

Was around 5700 units when it got stuck.

lucky u

SonofElElyonRet:
O boy I'm having a good laugh
I asked "correctly" on Google and got below. You shouldn't have been so cocky and should've typed it first to see what you get

No, you cannot run a legitimate hedge fund that guarantees a specific return because hedge funds inherently involve risk and aim for absolute returns (positive returns regardless of market) rather than guaranteed outcomes; any fund promising guaranteed returns is likely a scam or operating under a misleading structure, as true guarantees are rare in investing and usually found in fixed-income (like bonds or T-bills). Hedge funds use complex, risky strategies, aiming to beat the market, but face high fees and volatility, so potential returns are never certain, and past performance doesn't guarantee future results.
Why guaranteed returns are a red flag for hedge funds:
Risk vs. Reward: Hedge funds are alternative investments designed to generate high returns, but this comes with substantial risk, making guarantees impossible.
"Absolute Return" vs. "Guaranteed Return": They aim for absolute returns (positive returns in any market), not guaranteed returns like a CD or Treasury bond, which offer fixed interest.
Complexity & Volatility: Strategies involve leverage, derivatives, and shorting, which amplify both gains and losses, notes Growth Capital Ventures.
High Fees: The typical "2 and 20" fee structure (2% management, 20% performance) eats into profits, and returns are not assured, according to Investopedia and Corporate Finance Institute.
Investor Suitability: Hedge funds are for sophisticated, wealthy investors (accredited investors) who understand these risks, says Investor.gov.
What to do if you want guaranteed returns:
Look into low-risk, government-backed options like Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) or certificates of deposit (CDs).

It's not about being cocky.

It's basic to understand that it's very straightforward. Just state the terms as holders get 40%. even the AI didn't say that's not possible, cos it obviously is.

What the AI is simply saying is simply that either current regulations don't permit it, or current legit funds don't offer it, cos their strategy is mostly focused on getting fees, so why would they want to take on any risk of guaranteeing returns in markets that could take a downturn.

You seem to be missing that Ai's context.

As it is, the only reason that would make the us sec approve such a fund is skepticisms stemming from the '08 crisis when guys were inventing all sorts of instruments at will.

Pa Emma,
You know Agba can buy an insurance from AIICO, pays annual premium, then when sboga bashes his car, AIICO would pay him.


Now, imagine you walking up to AIICO and saying that you want to buy insurance against Agba's car getting hit, then AIICO thinks, since Agba always parks his car in his compound, you're basically paying them free premium for an accident that would never happen, so they create a new insurance product for you.

That's the story of credit default swaps.

I look forward to when our markets will have such depth. (Likely after you and Agba have retired 😁😁😁)

awesomeJ:
Pa Emma,
You know Agba can buy an insurance from AIICO, pays annual premium, then when sboga bashes his car, AIICO would pay him.


Now, imagine you walking up to AIICO and saying that you want to buy insurance against Agba's car getting hit, then AIICO thinks, since Agba always parks his car in his compound, you're basically paying them free premium for an accident that would never happen, so they create a new insurance product for you.

That's the story of credit default swaps.

I look forward to when our markets will have such depth. (Likely after you and Agba have retired 😁😁😁)

Truly u must be a very young man.You blood still dey hot.It is not happening in nigeria anytime soon. Like 50yrs
Lol.We all thought so like 25/30 yrs ago with so much hope

Streetinvestor2:
Truly u must be a very young man.You blood still dey hot.It is not happening in nigeria anytime soon. Like 50yrs
Lol.We all thought so like 25/30 yrs ago with so much hope

We pray it happens in 10 years.

All these dividends and coupons you guys got in your generation is boring.

We need sophistication.

I'm a millennial.

I think such sophistication would attract people in my generation as well as the gen Zs.

awesomeJ:
We pray it happens in 10 years.

All these dividends and coupons you guys got in your generation is boring.

We need sophistication.

I'm a millennial.

I think such sophistication would attract people in my generation as well as the gen Zs.

lwkd, as u generation needs it quick.
At the rate they are going 50yr fit begin hard to see in future. Is it really about sophistication of just fast money for them.Do you know almost all of them are into gambling which they call football betting this days

Streetinvestor2:
lwkd, as u generation needs it quick.
At the rate they are going 50yr fit begin hard to see in future. Is it really about sophistication of just fast money for them.Do you know almost all of them are into gambling which they call football betting this days

That would be the gen Zs you're referring to.

Most folks in my generation are in their 30s and 40s. If they're still doing bet9ja, then they're really going through a lot.

awesomeJ:
Pa Emma,
You know Agba can buy an insurance from AIICO, pays annual premium, then when sboga bashes his car, AIICO would pay him.


Now, imagine you walking up to AIICO and saying that you want to buy insurance against Agba's car getting hit, then AIICO thinks, since Agba always parks his car in his compound, you're basically paying them free premium for an accident that would never happen, so they create a new insurance product for you.

That's the story of credit default swaps.

I look forward to when our markets will have such depth. (Likely after you and Agba have retired 😁😁😁)

Which kind example be this like this...

Sboga n agba bawo....

Those looking for fast money aren't even sophisticated enough to understand the boring instruments from your generation.

Simple bond pricing analysis would elude most of them.

There's no way they would have anything to do with the sort of complex derivative products I'm advocating for.

Try teaching them Fourier transform, they'll tell you school na scam. Na those ones wan dey trade puts?

I just they imagined agba with him babes against sboga n him boys causing kasala after agba cyber truck get bashed.

We go see person wey sabi speak pidgin pass that day.....

Thanks sir

GeeKudi:
Good job and good luck!!

crownprince2017:
Which kind example be this like this...

Sboga n agba bawo....

I remember his GUINNESS vs GUINEAINS episode na.

How am I sure the broker could read his email, why would they not buy the wrong thing 😁😁😁


Maybe that was what the broker could finally discern after staring at the email for 7 hours.


Same way, if he texts his driver to brake, and the driver can't make out what he types, how would he to accelerate instead, there goes Agba's tail light and rear bumper!

crownprince2017:
I just they imagined agba with him babes against sboga n him boys causing kasala after agba cyber truck get bashed.

We go see person wey sabi speak pidgin pass that day.....

In the context of the example though, Agba wouldn't cause kasala, he would simply call AIICO to claim his N250m, pa Emma too would claim N250m on thesame car.

AIICO not wanting that kind of N500m shege would have reinsured the risk.

That's why AIG took such heavy beating.

awesomeJ:
I remember his GUINNESS vs GUINEAINS episode na.

How am I sure the broker could read his email, why would they not buy the wrong thing 😁😁😁


Maybe that was what the broker could finally discern after staring at the email for 7 hours.


Same way, if he texts his driver to brake, and the driver can't make out what he types, how would he to accelerate instead, there goes Agba's tail light and rear bumper!

Agba don suffer.

The driver supposed use Google interpreter na before bashing agba car na..abi that one too no understand sboga pidgin..

awesomeJ:
In the context of the example though, Agba wouldn't cause kasala, he would simply call AIICO to claim his N250m, pa Emma too would claim N250m on thesame car.

AIICO not wanting that kind of N500m shege would have reinsured the risk.

That's why AIG took such heavy beating.

Aiico no go leave sboga ooo, them go collect their money from him.

crownprince2017:
Aiico no go leave sboga ooo, them go collect their money from him.

😁😁😁

Once they're tired of trying to understand him, they will rest.

Have been wanting ask here, between ebitda and net profit which one is the most reliable metrics.

Your contributions will be appreciated..

awesomeJ:
😁😁😁

Once they're tired of trying to understand him, they will rest.

Leave am with 500m ke, pa Emma n mankind et.al as investor fit disinvest from the company ooo..

crownprince2017:
Have been wanting ask here, between ebitda and net profit which one is the most reliable metrics.

Your contributions will be appreciated..

I think EBIDTA shows potential, while net profit shows reality.

Like if MtNn wasn't as leveraged, from their EBIDTA we see what their potential earnings would be.

Or for SEPLAT, if their effective tax rate wasn't as high.


So you only take EBIDTA seriously if any of the IDTA is likely to go away or reduce significantly in the near future, as those translate directly to higher earnings.

crownprince2017:
Have been wanting ask here, between ebitda and net profit which one is the most reliable metrics.

Your contributions will be appreciated..

It depends, you use Earning Before Interest Taxes Depreciation and Amortization when you are comparing it with the Enterprise Value. Although I prefer using EBITDA minus CAPEX or just EBIT.

You net profit when comparing against the equity.

You use Net Operating Profit after Tax when comparing against the Invested Capital

Professor Kailani Muhammad had made allegations against Alhaji Aliko Dangote on Trust TV. He returned to the station to tender an apology and retract his previous statement


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqlLOjGp_Bk?si=gUBAH1PjzUGsEAiP

Wisdom is profitable to direct.

ChoChocho suppose get limit.

emmanuelewumi:
Do you know Ololo?

I don't know him.