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Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Janosky: 11:43pm On Dec 25, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Change like how? undecided
That's what Jehovah's Witnesses believe nah!😟
That guy kings no know say him pastors dey deceive am
.

Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:45pm On Dec 25, 2025
Janosky:
That guy kings no know say him pastors dey deceive am.
I tire o!😟
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:00am On Dec 26, 2025
Truthseeker10:
1)So where does the verse above mentions Jesus?
If Jesus is the Lord God Almighty in Revelation 1:8 in the verse that you quoted, who is the Lord God Almighty and who is the Lamb In the verse below.

Revelation 21:22.
King James Bible
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

2)Below is Revelation 21:6, 7.

King James Bible
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Who is the person referred to as Alpha and Omega in the above verse?
Any place jesus speak it with red ink in most Bible just like below

So let me show you who is the first and the last speaking again

Revelation 1

17, And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me,
saying
to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
18, I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.......


Note
Jesus said I am the first and last
Many times in revelation so it him speaking all this while

Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:01am On Dec 26, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John. Revelation 1:1

Who is the God that gave Jesus the message? smiley
You are free to continue to be filled with delusional things since you refuse to believe in the trinity
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:04am On Dec 26, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John. Revelation 1:1

Who is the God that gave Jesus the message? smiley
Since you don't want to accept jesus is God almighty the same way Muslims refuse then
God will give you delusion

2 Thessalonians 2:11 ►
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

New Living Translation
So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lie
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:06am On Dec 26, 2025
Janosky:
That guy kings no know say him pastors dey deceive am
.
Janos you Don come

You don't know I am a pastor
You don't know I speak in tongues
I am flilled with the holy spirit

That why I say what I say out of experience

Sorry you have not gotten this physical evidence in you in jw
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10:
Kingsnairaland:
Any place jesus speak it with red ink in most Bible just like below

So let me show you who is the first and the last speaking again

Revelation 1

17, And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me,
saying
to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
18, I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.......


Note
Jesus said I am the first and last
Many times in revelation so it him speaking all this while
1)Is there anywhere in the bible where Alpha and Omega or Lord God Almighty is mentioned and claimed to have died just as Jesus said in Revelation 1:18?

If Jesus is the Lord God Almighty in Revelation 1:8 in the verse that you quoted, who is the Lord God Almighty and who is the Lamb In the verse below?

Revelation 21:22.
King James Bible
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

2)Below is Revelation 21:6, 7.

King James Bible
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Who is the person referred to as Alpha and Omega in the above verse, is it Jesus?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:16am On Dec 26, 2025
Guy being the Almighty is not the topic of your thread otherwise i won't bother responding to you rather what attracted me is the role Jesus will play in the salvation of obedient humans:
Therefore, now that we have been declared righteous as a result of faith, let us enjoy peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1
Jesus is not the Almighty God but the Son of the Almighty God who said we can please Him if only we listen to Jesus {Matthew 17:5} that's why our salvation hings on obedience to Jesus God's Son! John 3:16

That is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe so when i said it's only through Jesus we can be saved i mean we don't need laws written rather we are to study Jesus' thoughts, words, actions and imitate him.

Thanks for your time!🙂

Kingsnairaland:
Since you don't want to accept jesus is God almighty the same way Muslims refuse then
God will give you delusion
2 Thessalonians 2:11 ►
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
New Living Translation
So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lie.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 5:12am On Dec 27, 2025
Truthseeker10:
1)Is there anywhere in the bible where Alpha and Omega or Lord God Almighty is mentioned and claimed to have died just as Jesus said in Revelation 1:18?

If Jesus is the Lord God Almighty in Revelation 1:8 in the verse that you quoted, who is the Lord God Almighty and who is the Lamb In the verse below?

Revelation 21:22.
King James Bible
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

2)Below is Revelation 21:6, 7.

King James Bible
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Who is the person referred to as Alpha and Omega in the above verse, is it Jesus?
That is a useless question when you refuse to understand trinity

Jesus already told you do everything in church in the name of the

Father
Son
Holy spirit

He show you how to do church activities with this trinity

You definitely refuse to listen to him

That why God sent you a strong delusion to reject jesus as God almighty so that you won't be a partaker of eternal life
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 5:20am On Dec 27, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Guy being the Almighty is not the topic of your thread otherwise i won't bother responding to you rather what attracted me is the role Jesus will play in the salvation of obedient humans:
Therefore, now that we have been declared righteous as a result of faith, let us enjoy peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1
Jesus is not the Almighty God but the Son of the Almighty God who said we can please Him if only we listen to Jesus {Matthew 17:5} that's why our salvation hings on obedience to Jesus God's Son! John 3:16

That is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe so when i said it's only through Jesus we can be saved i mean we don't need laws written rather we are to study Jesus' thoughts, words, actions and imitate him.

Thanks for your time!🙂
You say......
Guy being the Almighty is not the topic of your thread....

Dude Bible has principles and rules and foundations

If you don't understand the foundation then everything you do is useless and vanity and you end up in hell fire and lake of fire

The foundation of bible and church activities the foundation is that
Jesus is Lord
Jesus is the Christ
Jesus is the messiah

Which means
Jesus is the Ultimate

Jesus is the almighty

If you don't understand this foundation in Bible you are just waisting your time your are just a Muslim reading bible
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 10:39am On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
That is a useless question when you refuse to understand trinity

Jesus already told you do everything in church in the name of the

Father
Son
Holy spirit

He show you how to do church activities with this trinity

You definitely refuse to listen to him

That why God sent you a strong delusion to reject jesus as God almighty so that you won't be a partaker of eternal life
So where does the Bible teach that The father, son and Holy spirit are all Almighty God?

Is there anywhere in the bible that The Almighty God or Alpha and Omega is said to have died just like Jesus in Revelation 1:18?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 1:52pm On Dec 27, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So where does the Bible teach that The father, son and Holy spirit are all Almighty God?

Is there anywhere in the bible that The Almighty God or Alpha and Omega is said to have died just like Jesus in Revelation 1:18?
So where does the Bible teach that The father, son and Holy spirit are all Almighty God?

Answer...
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father and of
the Son and of
the Holy Spirit, 20.................



Is there anywhere in the bible that The Almighty God or Alpha and Omega is said to have died just like Jesus in Revelation

Answer..

I will give you small hint......
God is saying through Paul in act 20:28
That his church the church of God he purchased the people with his own blood.......
God almighty used his blood to purchase those who he gives eternal life.....

Acts 20:28
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

But you will see it and still not believing it

So long as you refuse to accept trinity asking this question will make you blind to the teaching of the Bible

And jesus said this to people like you...

Seeing you do not see hearing you do not hear because you searched the scripture and refuse to come to (ME) jesus...
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:32pm On Dec 27, 2025
Try to stay on topic at least i believe that it's only through Jesus Christ we can be saved. Act 4:12

That's what your thread says and if you are talking about Bible's point of view i agreed the rest you are saying now is story story story!🙂

Kingsnairaland:
You say......
Guy being the Almighty is not the topic of your thread....

Dude Bible has principles and rules and foundations

If you don't understand the foundation then everything you do is useless and vanity and you end up in hell fire and lake of fire

The foundation of bible and church activities the foundation is that
Jesus is Lord
Jesus is the Christ
Jesus is the messiah

Which means
Jesus is the Ultimate

Jesus is the almighty

If you don't understand this foundation in Bible you are just waisting your time your are just a Muslim reading bible
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 2:59pm On Dec 27, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Try to stay on topic at least i believe that it's only through Jesus Christ we can be saved. Act 4:12

That's what your thread says and if you are talking about Bible's point of view i agreed the rest you are saying now is story story story!🙂
Beautiful at least this is the first step since you understand it is only through jesus that we can be saved

The next question is

Have you accepted jesus into your life as your lord and saviour
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:33pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Beautiful at least this is the first step since you understand it is only through jesus that we can be saved
The next question is
Have you accepted jesus into your life as your lord and saviour
I told you several times to forgo all this myopic churchy slogans because it will confuse you.

If i don't accept Jesus as Lord how come i'm quoting him every time as my role model? 1Peter 3:15
And as for Jesus being saviour i just quoted Act 4:12 for you.

What the scriptures never said is Jesus being the Almighty!🙂
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:47pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
The fact keeps staring at you even though you are dodging it.

The one who gave Jesus the authority is the Almighty not Jesus just as Satan said all the glory of the world has been given to him {Luke 4:6} it doesn't mean Satan is the Almighty.

Paul said the Almighty is exempted from those under Jesus {1Corinthans 15:27-28} so Jesus remains a subordinate to the Almighty God!🙂
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 5:28pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
So where does the Bible teach that The father, son and Holy spirit are all Almighty God?

Answer...
Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father and of
the Son and of
the Holy Spirit, 20.................
So where in the above verse is the Son or Holy Spirit referred to as "Almighty God"?



Is there anywhere in the bible that The Almighty God or Alpha and Omega is said to have died just like Jesus in Revelation

Answer..

I will give you small hint......
God is saying through Paul in act 20:28
That his church the church of God he purchased the people with his own blood.......
God almighty used his blood to purchase those who he gives eternal life.....

Acts 20:28
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

But you will see it and still not believing it

So long as you refuse to accept trinity asking this question will make you blind to the teaching of the Bible

And jesus said this to people like you...

Seeing you do not see hearing you do not hear because you searched the scripture and refuse to come to (ME) jesus...
Lol...where does the above verse mention the "Almighty God" or "Alpha and Omega" being killed.

Well below are other translations that show that it is the blood of the Son of The Almighty God that is being referred to.

New Revised Standard Version
Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Good News Translation
So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.

NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:05pm On Dec 27, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I told you several times to forgo all this myopic churchy slogans because it will confuse you.

If i don't accept Jesus as Lord how come i'm quoting him every time as my role model? 1Peter 3:15
And as for Jesus being saviour i just quoted Act 4:12 for you.

What the scriptures never said is Jesus being the Almighty!🙂
You are Always hearing but can never understand the word of God

You see but can't see the word of God

I pity you because you can't have eternal life until you understand who jesus is as the scripture has spoken
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:08pm On Dec 27, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
The fact keeps staring at you even though you are dodging it.

The one who gave Jesus the authority is the Almighty not Jesus just as Satan said all the glory of the world has been given to him {Luke 4:6} it doesn't mean Satan is the Almighty.

Paul said the Almighty is exempted from those under Jesus {1Corinthans 15:27-28} so Jesus remains a subordinate to the Almighty God!🙂
Let me mock you with this question below
because God told me he sent you a strong delusion

So the almighty God why did he chose to live inside jesus since you claim jesus is not almighty
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:10pm On Dec 27, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So where in the above verse is the Son or Holy Spirit referred to as "Almighty God"?




Lol...where does the above verse mention the "Almighty God" or "Alpha and Omega" being killed.

Well below are other translations that show that it is the blood of the Son of The Almighty God that is being referred to.

New Revised Standard Version
Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Good News Translation
So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.

NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
GOD told me he sent a strong delusion to you to never understand who jesus is because you are not permitted to have eternal life

Since u can't see where Bible said God purchased us with his own blood
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 6:12pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
GOD told me he sent a strong delusion to you to never understand who jesus is because you are not permitted to have eternal life

Since u can't see where Bible said God purchased us with his own blood
Below are three translations that shows that it was the blood of the son of the Almighty God.

New Revised Standard Version
Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Good News Translation
So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.

NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:14pm On Dec 27, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So where in the above verse is the Son or Holy Spirit referred to as "Almighty God"?




Lol...where does the above verse mention the "Almighty God" or "Alpha and Omega" being killed.

Well below are other translations that show that it is the blood of the Son of The Almighty God that is being referred to.

New Revised Standard Version
Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Good News Translation
So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.

NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Perverted bible
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:15pm On Dec 27, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Below are three translations that shows that it was the blood of the son of the Almighty God.

New Revised Standard Version
Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

Good News Translation
So keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock which the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he made his own through the blood of his Son.

NET Bible
Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Perverted bible

Let me mock you

Question

Why did God head chose to live inside jesus
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:22pm On Dec 27, 2025
🤓 The original Greek manuscript (Codex Sinaiticus, etc.) likely had "τὸν ἴδιον α�血μα" (_ton idion haima_) = "his own blood".

- *NKJV ("purchased with His own blood")* leans closer to this literal Greek phrasing 🧐
- *Others ("blood of his own Son")* interpret "his own" as referin' to Jesus as God's Son 👨‍👧

Translators chose phrasings based on context and theological clarity
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 6:30pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Perverted bible

Let me mock you

Question

Why did God head chose to live inside jesus
Lol.....why do you call the bibles perverted, is it because they do not agree with your own beliefs?

What is the meaning of Godhead?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 6:37pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
🤓 The original Greek manuscript (Codex Sinaiticus, etc.) likely had "τὸν ἴδιον α�血μα" (_ton idion haima_) = "his own blood".

- *NKJV ("purchased with His own blood"wink* leans closer to this literal Greek phrasing 🧐
- *Others ("blood of his own Son"wink* interpret "his own" as referin' to Jesus as God's Son 👨‍👧

Translators chose phrasings based on context and theological clarity
Baba learn from the screenshot below.
Where does your reference above show that these bibles are perverted bibles?

Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 7:16pm On Dec 27, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Lol.....why do you call the bibles perverted, is it because they do not agree with your own beliefs?

What is the meaning of Godhead?
Tell me what your perverted bible said in
Colossians 2:9
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 7:17pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Tell me what your perverted bible said in
Colossians 2:9
Explain Godhead....what does it mean?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 7:20pm On Dec 27, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Explain Godhead....what does it mean?
You don't need it if it is not in your bible because you won't believe it
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 7:26pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You don't need it if it is not in your bible because you won't believe it
Explain na
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:48pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Let me mock you with this question below because God told me he sent you a strong delusion So the almighty God why did he chose to live inside jesus since you claim jesus is not almighty
So you don't have God inside you?🤔
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Janosky: 10:18pm On Dec 27, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You don't need it if it is not in your bible because you won't believe it
Godhead is not in any Greek language manuscript from which your Bible was translated to English .
Make you no dey deceive yourself.
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