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Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 9:38pm On Dec 28, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Should I show you where jesus raised himself
Show me
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 9:54pm On Dec 28, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You'll surely fit in perfectly into the stand up comedy Nigeria show!🤣
You don't know the meaning of almighty or God

It actually means everything in one....

GOD came to Abraham in human form you don't know God.
. A servant is one who builds a garden for a person and provide food for that person

That is what God did for Adam
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 9:56pm On Dec 28, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So you want to add lies again?🤣

Can you quote where i said that on this thread?🤣
Every one knows your Truthseeker10

But no problem when he comes I will ask him that question
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:00pm On Dec 28, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You don't know the meaning of almighty or God
It actually means everything in one....
GOD came to Abraham in human form you don't know God.
. A servant is one who builds a garden for a person and provide food for that person
That is what God did for Adam
Before i thought you are just a misinformed churchgoer but now it's clear something is really funny about you surely you are a joke!🤣

Farewell!🤣
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:20pm On Dec 28, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Before i thought you are just a misinformed churchgoer but now it's clear something is really funny about you surely you are a joke!🤣

Farewell!🤣
Yes, the Bible shows God serving His people in the Old Testament through His provision, guidance, rescue, and equipping them with gifts and leadership (like priests and prophets

Ways God Served His People:
Provision & Protection: God fed Israel with manna in the wilderness, provided water, and protected them from enemies, as seen in their Exodus journey.

Jesus famously stated in the Bible, "the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many" (Matthew 20:28, also Mark 10:45),
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 10:26pm On Dec 28, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Should I show you where jesus raised himself
Oga I'm still waiting oo
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:28pm On Dec 28, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Show me
notably in John 2:19, saying, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up," referring to His own body

Jesus words
I will raise it up the same thing jesus do is the same thing God almighty do that why we say jesus is God almighty

John 10:18 where He declared, "I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again,"

Jesus said
I have power to raise my life up again

showing His power over His own life and death,

John 11:25 (Resurrection and Life):
Jesus famously declared, "I am the resurrection and the life..
Which means he can die and raise himself since he is resurrection himself.....
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:28pm On Dec 28, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Oga I'm still waiting oo
I did
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 10:46pm On Dec 28, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
notably in John 2:19, saying, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up," referring to His own body

Jesus words
I will raise it up the same thing jesus do is the same thing God almighty do that why we say jesus is God almighty

John 10:18 where He declared, "I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again,"

Jesus said
I have power to raise my life up again

showing His power over His own life and death,

John 11:25 (Resurrection and Life):
Jesus famously declared, "I am the resurrection and the life..
Which means he can die and raise himself since he is resurrection himself.....
Explain Galatians 1:1 below.
King James Bible
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the deadwink

Who raised Christ up from the dead according to the verse above? The Father or the son?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:15pm On Dec 28, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Explain Galatians 1:1 below.
King James Bible
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the deadwink

Who raised Christ up from the dead according to the verse above? The Father or the son?
I like this since God blind you from understanding trinity
Let see what Bible also said

You also forgot that Paul also told you that it is the spirit of God aka the holy spirit that raised jesus from the dead

Romans 8:11 ►
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

New Living Translation
The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.

So three persons have been shown to raise jesus from the dead

What is God trying to teach you
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:24pm On Dec 28, 2025
Janosky:
Godhead is not in any Greek language manuscript from which your Bible was translated to English .
Make you no dey deceive yourself.
Write down what your bible said.... They teach you in jw to not write bible because you guys act like Muslims
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:29pm On Dec 28, 2025
Janosky:
John 5:37, Jesus says God is a Spirit invisible to humans.
Baba Kings want the bible to say what at he wants & conflict John 5:37.
Lol invisible yet God appeared to Abraham physically

Genesis
18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 11:32pm On Dec 28, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
I like this since God blind you from understanding trinity
Let see what Bible also said

You also forgot that Paul also told you that it is the spirit of God aka the holy spirit that raised jesus from the dead

Romans 8:11 ►
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

New Living Translation
The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.

So three persons have been shown to raise jesus from the dead

What is God trying to teach you
Does the verse above claim that the spirit is God or that the spirit is that of God?

You claimed earlier that it was Jesus that raised himself. So are you now saying that it was the Trinity that raised Jesus from the dead?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MotiVVaTTi: 2:34am On Dec 29, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
No one can be saved without Jesus, he is the only way to salvation.

Of course most people who never heard about or learn from Jesus will be with his disciples in Paradise for 1,000 years but only believers in Jesus will have everlasting life! John 3:16
It is those that are raptured that will reign with Christ for 1000 years.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 4:30am On Dec 29, 2025
Janosky:
John 5:37, Jesus says God is a Spirit invisible to humans.
Baba Kings want the bible to say what at he wants & conflict John 5:37.
Yes but God appears to Abraham in human form grin grin
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 4:32am On Dec 29, 2025
Janosky:
Revelation 1:1,did Jesus teach you he was given the Revelation message to pass on to John?
@ Rev 1:1, Jesus is a Messenger ,you see hierarchy there. Pls study your Bible with clarity.
So the Messenger is the first and the last
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 4:43am On Dec 29, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Does the verse above claim that the spirit is God or that the spirit is that of God?

You claimed earlier that it was Jesus that raised himself. So are you now saying that it was the Trinity that raised Jesus from the dead?
Since you are blind to understand trinity that why you ask this

You refuse to understand trinity you refuse to access accept that you are even trinity

That why you ask this

And as long as you refuse it you can't understand God and you can't understand jesus

That why Bible said it the mystery of God it is the mystery of Godliness which God eventually revealed to us that believes in him

GOD did not reveal this mystery to everyone in the past he kept it for those he loves

Until God opens your eyes to this mystery
You will continue to be blind


Bible mentions the "mystery of godliness" in
1 Timothy 3:16,
describing God's great, once-hidden plan revealed through Jesus Christ:
His manifestation in flesh,
vindication by the Spirit,
appearance to angels,
proclamation to nations,
belief in the world,
and ascension to glory,
all pointing to salvation
and a godly life through Christ.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:51am On Dec 29, 2025
MotiVVaTTi:
It is those that are raptured that will reign with Christ for 1000 years.
The word RAPTURE is nowhere in God's word but i think i can relate with what you are trying to say because the Bible confirmed that a limited number of humans will be taken to heaven with Jesus as his corulers {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} Jesus said these people are no longer coming back because they will be there forever as spirit creatures {Luke 20:34-36} and he will go and prepare a place for them {John 14:1-3} because God never purposed for humans to live in heaven! Psalms 115:16

So while this limited number are taken to heaven Jesus will make sure his other disciples {John 10:16} who are not part of his corulers are safe on planet earth {Matthew 5:5 compare to Psalms 37:7-11} the reason why God's word refer to those taken to heaven as SAVED is later revealed in the Bible book of Revelation 20:5-6 and it's because after the 1,000 years reign of Christ Jesus and his 144,000 corulers Satan who has been locked up will be released as he claimed that no human can remain faithful to God under test {Job 1:9-11} at that time all inhabitants of planet earth would have become perfect just like Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden with no lacking that is when Satan will be let loosed to come and test them and whatever anyone chooses to do at that time will serve as judgement because all those who followed Satan will be destroyed along with Satan! Revelation 20:15
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 8:35am On Dec 29, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Since you are blind to understand trinity that why you ask this

You refuse to understand trinity you refuse to access accept that you are even trinity

That why you ask this

And as long as you refuse it you can't understand God and you can't understand jesus

That why Bible said it the mystery of God it is the mystery of Godliness which God eventually revealed to us that believes in him

GOD did not reveal this mystery to everyone in the past he kept it for those he loves

Until God opens your eyes to this mystery
You will continue to be blind


Bible mentions the "mystery of godliness" in
1 Timothy 3:16,
describing God's great, once-hidden plan revealed through Jesus Christ:
His manifestation in flesh,
vindication by the Spirit,
appearance to angels,
proclamation to nations,
belief in the world,
and ascension to glory,
all pointing to salvation
and a godly life through Christ.
🤣🤣🤣so all what you've written above shows that it was Jesus that raised himself before you later changed mouth to trinity?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:43am On Dec 29, 2025
Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣so all what you've written above shows that it was Jesus that raised himself before you later changed mouth to trinity?
Before he uses three accounts:
1. Kingsnairaland
2. BishopKingsley
3. GardenOfGod
One to insult whoever doesn't agree with him and the third to play like a referee so after insulting people with one account the other he uses to pretend like peace maker that is why he thinks he's been discussing with the same person!🙂
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by sonmvayina(m): 10:35am On Dec 29, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You probably don't understand what saved mean in Bible

It means to be given eternal life and that is the kind of life God possess it means to be chosen by God and be loved by God to be his child forever
what is God saving you from?

that is my question...
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:10pm On Dec 29, 2025
Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣so all what you've written above shows that it was Jesus that raised himself before you later changed mouth to trinity?
Dude because you don't understand trinity

That why you don't understand that any time I say jesus did so and so

It is the same thing as saying God the Father did that same thing

And it is the same thing as saying the holy spirit did that same thing

That why you see the Bible continue to interchange three of them as doing the same thing

Glory

Bible is showing you this three are one
Yet you can't decode it
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:13pm On Dec 29, 2025
sonmvayina:
what is God saving you from?

that is my question...
Many things but the main thing is God is saving you from death

Because the soul that sin must die and since all have sinned death is the end of all mankind

But there are two kinds of death physical death and spiritual death

So God is saving you from spiritual death so you can have eternal life and live with God for eternity
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 12:42pm On Dec 29, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Dude because you don't understand trinity

That why you don't understand that any time I say jesus did so and so

It is the same thing as saying God the Father did that same thing

And it is the same thing as saying the holy spirit did that same thing


That why you see the Bible continue to interchange three of them as doing the same thing

Glory

Bible is showing you this three are one
Yet you can't decode it
Lol....na wa.....see your logic.

So when Jesus died, it was the Trinity that died including the Father and holy spirit?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by sonmvayina(m): 3:11pm On Dec 29, 2025
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Kingsnairaland:
Many things but the main thing is God is saving you from death

Because the soul that sin must die and since all have sinned death is the end of all mankind

But there are two kinds of death physical death and spiritual death

So God is saving you from spiritual death so you can have eternal life and live with God for eternity
what is death??
what is physical death?
what is spiritual death?

please educate me. I want to learn.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 5:52pm On Dec 29, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Lol....na wa.....see your logic.

So when Jesus died, it was the Trinity that died including the Father and holy spirit?
You can never understand trinity even though I have explained it to you many times

How is it hard for you to get this mystery that Is plane open

Nothing will make you understand it because God blind you to it your heart refuses to accept it

You even refuse to accept how God made you that you have a spirit and a soul that live in your body

As long as you refuse to accept how God made you how then can you understand the higher one about how God exists
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:00pm On Dec 29, 2025
sonmvayina:
v
what is death??
what is physical death?
what is spiritual death?

please educate me. I want to learn.
Death is when some thing stops to exist

Now since man is trinity he is
a soul
a body
a spirit

The body is made of or from clay soil

The spirit is from God made of or from fire equivalent to God's spirit

The Soul it just like a software it your thinking part of the human being

The body can die and perish but the spirit can't stop to exist because it is spirit... so physical death can happen to body and it stops to exist

But spiritual death when it happens to the spirit it takes place when the soul and spirit or the new body is put in hell or lake of fire
That is eternal separation from God
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 7:14pm On Dec 29, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You can never understand trinity even though I have explained it to you many times

How is it hard for you to get this mystery that Is plane open

Nothing will make you understand it because God blind you to it your heart refuses to accept it

You even refuse to accept how God made you that you have a spirit and a soul that live in your body

As long as you refuse to accept how God made you how then can you understand the higher one about how God exists
Na wa....when Jesus died, did the Trinity die, yes or no?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 9:00pm On Dec 29, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Na wa....when Jesus died, did the Trinity die, yes or no?
When your physical body die did your spirit and soul die with it
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 9:13pm On Dec 29, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
When your physical body die did your spirit and soul die with it
Did you not claim that anything Jesus does is also done to the father and holy spirit?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 9:35pm On Dec 29, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Did you not claim that anything Jesus does is also done to the father and holy spirit?
Listen

Any thing jesus do is the same thing the father do and it is the same thing holy spirit do..
Yet each of them still have special things they do individually

But the question is you don't know who jesus is

Jesus is both God almighty and a man

While the father is only God almighty
And the spirit is only God almighty

Now you see the advantage and disadvantage jesus have

He is both God almighty plus he is a man

As a man what ever happened to Adam can happen to him and what ever God almighty can do he can do

So as a man he can die if he wants
So the only way a sinless jesus can bring humans back to God almighty is for jesus as a man to die

So he accepted it and died

Because only God the son have the ability to be both God almighty and be a man

God the Father and God the holy spirit don't have that ability to be a man

They have their own special ability

One day I will tell you the job of the
Father
Son
Holy spirit

They have special specific job in the universe

I explained jesus own up up
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 9:43pm On Dec 29, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Listen

Any thing jesus do is the same thing the father do and it is the same thing holy spirit do..
Yet each of them still have special things they do individually

But the question is you don't know who jesus is

Jesus is both God almighty and a man

While the father is only God almighty
And the spirit is only God almighty

Now you see the advantage and disadvantage jesus have

He is both God almighty plus he is a man

As a man what ever happened to Adam can happen to him and what ever God almighty can do he can do

So as a man he can die if he wants
So the only way a sinless jesus can bring humans back to God almighty is for jesus as a man to die

So he accepted it and died

Because only God the son have the ability to be both God almighty and be a man

God the Father and God the holy spirit don't have that ability to be a man

They have their own special ability

One day I will tell you the job of the
Father
Son
Holy spirit

They have special specific job in the universe

I explained jesus own up up
Lol...na wa....so they have special things that they do individually after you claimed that they do the same thing?

So Jesus who is an Almighty God has disadvantages? Na wa oo

Where does the Bible teach that the Holy Spirit is God Almighty?
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