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Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:16pm On Dec 29, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Lol...na wa....so they have special things that they do individually after you claimed that they do the same thing?

So Jesus who is an Almighty God has disadvantages? Na wa oo

Where does the Bible teach that the Holy Spirit is God Almighty?
Corinthians 3:17 ►

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

New Living Translation
For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is FREEDOM

In THE OLD TESERMENT THE LORD IS ALWAYS GOD AND NEW IT ALWAYS JESUS AND THE SPIRIT THERE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT

NOW
The Bible teaches the Holy Spirit is God Almighty by equating lying to the Spirit with lying to God (Acts 5:3-4),

Also placing the holy Spirit in the singular "name" of the Godhead with the Father and Son (Matthew 28:19),

and attributing divine actions and characteristics
(omnipresence, omniscience, creation, inspiration) to the Spirit,

demonstrating His divine nature and equality within the Trinity, as seen in passages like
Psalm 139,
1 Corinthians 2, and
2 Peter 1:21.

Here are key Bible verses and evidence

Acts 5:3-4:
Peter confronts Ananias for lying, stating he lied to the Holy Spirit, and then clarifies,
"You have not lied to men but to God".

Showing lying to the holy spirit is lying to God

Matthew 28:19
(The Great Commission): Jesus commands baptism "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," indicating all three share one divine name and are equal parts of the Godhead.

1 Corinthians 3:16:
Paul says believers' bodies are "a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you,"

equating the indwelling Spirit with God's presence.

1 Corinthians 2:10-11:
The Spirit searches the deep things of God because "the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God," showing His divine knowledge.

Genesis 1:2 &
Job 26:13:
The Spirit of God is actively involved in creation, moving over the waters and adorning the heavens, demonstrating creative power.


2 Peter 1:21:
Scripture was given "as men moved by the Holy Spirit," showing His role as divine author.

These passages collectively affirm the Holy Spirit's divinity, personhood, and essential role as God, equal with the Father and the Son.

There are many more places
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 11:20pm On Dec 29, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Corinthians 3:17 ►

Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

New Living Translation
For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is FREEDOM

In THE OLD TESERMENT THE LORD IS ALWAYS GOD AND NEW IT ALWAYS JESUS AND THE SPIRIT THERE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT

NOW
The Bible teaches the Holy Spirit is God Almighty by equating lying to the Spirit with lying to God (Acts 5:3-4),

Also placing the holy Spirit in the singular "name" of the Godhead with the Father and Son (Matthew 28:19),

and attributing divine actions and characteristics
(omnipresence, omniscience, creation, inspiration) to the Spirit,

demonstrating His divine nature and equality within the Trinity, as seen in passages like
Psalm 139,
1 Corinthians 2, and
2 Peter 1:21.

Here are key Bible verses and evidence

Acts 5:3-4:
Peter confronts Ananias for lying, stating he lied to the Holy Spirit, and then clarifies,
"You have not lied to men but to God".

Showing lying to the holy spirit is lying to God

Matthew 28:19
(The Great Commission): Jesus commands baptism "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," indicating all three share one divine name and are equal parts of the Godhead.

1 Corinthians 3:16:
Paul says believers' bodies are "a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you,"

equating the indwelling Spirit with God's presence.

1 Corinthians 2:10-11:
The Spirit searches the deep things of God because "the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God," showing His divine knowledge.

Genesis 1:2 &
Job 26:13:
The Spirit of God is actively involved in creation, moving over the waters and adorning the heavens, demonstrating creative power.


2 Peter 1:21:
Scripture was given "as men moved by the Holy Spirit," showing His role as divine author.

These passages collectively affirm the Holy Spirit's divinity, personhood, and essential role as God, equal with the Father and the Son.

There are many more places
Long epistles again without showing us a verse that claims that the Holy Spirit is an Almighty God.

In John 4:24 below, Who is a spirit, The Father or the holy spirit?
King James Bible
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Janosky: 11:39pm On Dec 29, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You don't know the meaning of almighty or God

It actually means everything in one....

GOD came to Abraham in human form you don't know God.
. A servant is one who builds a garden for a person and provide food for that person

That is what God did for Adam
Hebrew 13:2.
"Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it."
Genesis 18:1-8 & Hebrew 13:2.
Abraham & Sarah hosted angels.
Pastor,please stop deceiving yourself & gullible folks . .
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:33am On Dec 30, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Long epistles again without showing us a verse that claims that the Holy Spirit is an Almighty God.

In John 4:24 below, Who is a spirit, The Father or the holy spirit?
King James Bible
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God is a Spirit
This tells you the holy spirit is God

The holy spirit is the spirit of the father the holy spirit is also the spirit of jesus

If you like don't accept it

Now the way to know the holy spirit is God

Is you see jesus saying you can abuse me you can say anything bad about me you can..

But the day you say anything bad about the holy spirit or the day you take the work of the holy spirit and say that it is the devil doing that work

You will never be forgiven

That is to show you how powerful the holy spirit is to God the Father and to God the son

In the old teserment God the Father also said something like that

So from the Bible we see that there is only one SIN
That the blood of jesus can not solve and that is unbelieve
If you don't believe in jesus

Nothing on earth or after the earth can save you from the lake of fire
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 6:45am On Dec 30, 2025
Janosky:
Hebrew 13:2.
"Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it."
Genesis 18:1-8 & Hebrew 13:2.
Abraham & Sarah hosted angels.
Pastor,please stop deceiving yourself & gullible folks . .
Please read bible well

Genesis 18,
Abraham met with three visitors in the form of men,
where one of them was God (Yahweh) appearing in human form (a theophany),
and the other two were angels
who later went to Sodom;
the text clearly identifies the Lord speaking directly to Abraham,
though all three were initially seen as men, with the Lord remaining to talk to Abraham while the other two angels departed.


However, Genesis 18:1 says that it was “the LORD” (Yahweh) who appeared to Abraham. It is the LORD who speaks in
verses 13, 20, 26, and 33.

Abraham stands “before the LORD” in verse Genesis 18:22.
So, one of the three “men” must have been God Almighty taking on the appearance of a man.
We call such an appearance a “theophany.”

There's no place you can ever call angels lord
And you can see Abraham bow to the lord

If all of them were angel one of the angel would have said to Abraham please don't bow to us.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 7:06am On Dec 30, 2025
Janosky:
Hebrew 13:2.
"Don’t forget to show hospitality to strangers, for in doing so, some have entertained angels without knowing it."
Genesis 18:1-8 & Hebrew 13:2.
Abraham & Sarah hosted angels.
Pastor,please stop deceiving yourself & gullible folks . .
Three Men" vs. "The LORD":
Some focus on the "three men,"
while the text explicitly names
"The LORD" as appearing (v. 1) and speaking (v. 9, 13), indicating one of them was God.

Divine Conversation (v. 9-10, 13-14):
The visitors ask about Sarah, and the LORD promises she will have a son, despite her age, saying, "Is anything too hard for the LORD

Are you now saying angels is your lord

Hmmmmmmm

Finally God reveal what he came to do

Intercession for Sodom (v. 17-33):
God shares His intent to judge Sodom with Abraham, who then intercedes for the city.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 7:38am On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
God is a Spirit
This tells you the holy spirit is God


The holy spirit is the spirit of the father the holy spirit is also the spirit of jesus

If you like don't accept it

Now the way to know the holy spirit is God

Is you see jesus saying you can abuse me you can say anything bad about me you can..

But the day you say anything bad about the holy spirit or the day you take the work of the holy spirit and say that it is the devil doing that work

You will never be forgiven

That is to show you how powerful the holy spirit is to God the Father and to God the son

In the old teserment God the Father also said something like that

So from the Bible we see that there is only one SIN
That the blood of jesus can not solve and that is unbelieve
If you don't believe in jesus

Nothing on earth or after the earth can save you from the lake of fire
You are a very funny man. Below is John 4:23, 24.

King James Bible
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

In the above verses, was it the holy spirit Jesus was referring to or the Father in John 4:24?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 8:42am On Dec 30, 2025
Truthseeker10:
You are a very funny man. Below is John 4:23, 24.

King James Bible
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

In the above verses, was it the holy spirit Jesus was referring to or the Father in John 4:24?
You will get confused since you refuse to understand trinity

GOD is a SPIRIT

Jesus is referring to both God the father here and also to the holy spirit

The same way

GOD the father was talking to both God the son and God the holy spirit in GENESIS

When he said

Let us make man in our image...
(which means in our trinity image)

And let us make man in our likeness.... (the "likeness" implies humanity's role as God's representatives on Earth, )
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 10:08am On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You will get confused since you refuse to understand trinity

GOD is a SPIRIT

Jesus is referring to both God the father here and also to the holy spirit

The same way

GOD the father was talking to both God the son and God the holy spirit in GENESIS

When he said

Let us make man in our image...
(which means in our trinity image)

And let us make man in our likeness.... (the "likeness" implies humanity's role as God's representatives on Earth, )
Where did Jesus mention Holy Spirit in John 4:23, 24?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:12am On Dec 30, 2025
Truthseeker10:
You are a very funny man. Below is John 4:23, 24.
King James Bible
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth
In the above verses, was it the holy spirit Jesus was referring to or the Father in John 4:24?
There problem is TRINITY!

No theology school can explain Trinity to correlate with biblical teachings so they told each theology scholar to fabricate his or her own definition or explanation that's why you can't find two trinitarians that agreed on the doctrine they always contradict themselves yet they will not desist from this demonic term that is leading them astray.

Each trinitarian will continue telling you that holy spirit will teach you yet they don't have the same line of thought {John 17:22} which makes it difficult for peace to reign among them! John 14:26-27🙂
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:14am On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You will get confused since you refuse to understand trinity.
If trinitarians truly understood Trinity why can't all of you come up with one clear definition? huh
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op):
Truthseeker10:
Where did Jesus mention Holy Spirit in John 4:23, 24?
This guy you are funny

GOD is Spirit

Any where you see capital letters spirit it referring to holy spirit

Now

Bible shows many places that the spirit of God his name title is called holy spirit

So since God is SPIRIT

IT ALSO MEANS SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD ALMIGHTY
AND IT ALSO MEANS
THAT SPIRIT IS GOD
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:19am On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If trinitarians truly understood Trinity why can't all of you come up with one clear definition? huh
You don't know GOD

no one can define God

Even the Trinity we explain is just tiny revelation

GOD can not be defined we don't have that mental capacity to define God

That why God did not give moses a particular name he told moses I am what ever you want me to be.....

GOD can not be put in a box he is too big too awesome to infinite no words can define God no thought can explain him he is beyond explanation

GOD is infinite he has no end he is eternity

But because he wants us to at least understand little he told us he manifest in three persons just to redeem us

And he still told us he is revealing this to us in part and we can't get all the complete fullness of God yet

So you can't get bored of God because the more you know the more you see it truly infinite
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:27am On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Even the Trinity we explain is just tiny revelation.
So why can't you wait until Trinity reveal itself nah? cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:35am On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So why can't you wait until Trinity reveal itself nah? cheesy
GOD already did he did it in trinity
Trinity has already revealed himself

God already said that the ones he revealed in the Bible is what he wants us to know for now

Only those who will spend eternity with him will continue to see different parts of God

We will continue to see more and more in the realm of eternity

That why God said in his right hand are pleasure forever more...

Glory
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:40am On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
There problem is TRINITY!

No theology school can explain Trinity to correlate with biblical teachings so they told each theology scholar to fabricate his or her own definition or explanation that's why you can't find two trinitarians that agreed on the doctrine they always contradict themselves yet they will not desist from this demonic term that is leading them astray.

Each trinitarian will continue telling you that holy spirit will teach you yet they don't have the same line of thought {John 17:22} which makes it difficult for peace to reign among them! John 14:26-27🙂
You are wrong all line of thoughts must be from Bible
And must stay under Bible

But what jesus told Peter to preach is different from what he told Paul to preach but still all fall under torah Bible rules

So stop following line of thought and follow the infinite one in the Bible
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:50am On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
There problem is TRINITY!

No theology school can explain Trinity to correlate with biblical teachings so they told each theology scholar to fabricate his or her own definition or explanation that's why you can't find two trinitarians that agreed on the doctrine they always contradict themselves yet they will not desist from this demonic term that is leading them astray.

Each trinitarian will continue telling you that holy spirit will teach you yet they don't have the same line of thought {John 17:22} which makes it difficult for peace to reign among them! John 14:26-27🙂
What Bible said about speaking in tongues

Happen to me that why I know I have the holy spirit living in me that why I teach this things
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:58am On Dec 30, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Where did Jesus mention Holy Spirit in John 4:23, 24?
Jesus mentions worshipping God "in spirit and truth" in John 4:23-24 (John 4:23-24),
but He doesn't explicitly name the Holy Spirit in those specific verses;
instead,
He emphasizes a heartfelt, genuine worship, not tied to a physical location like Mount Gerizim or Jerusalem, guided by the inner human spirit and God's revealed truth (the Word).
The Holy Spirit's role is later described as the one who empowers this worship, teaching and revealing Christ's words,
as seen in John 14:26.

John 14:26 is a Bible verse where Jesus promises that the Helper (Holy Spirit), sent by the Father in Jesus' name, will teach believers everything and remind them of all that Jesus taught, providing guidance, comfort, and understanding of His words
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:45pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
GOD already did he did it in trinity
Trinity has already revealed himself
To who? cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:46pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
You are wrong all line of thoughts must be from Bible
And must stay under Bible.
So when you people are contradicting yourselves who should we accept as the one having the right thought? cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:47pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
What Bible said about speaking in tongues
Happen to me that why I know I have the holy spirit living in me that why I teach this things
So trinitarians contradicting you don't have holy spirit? cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 4:06pm On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
To who? cheesy
Brother you are confused I know you don't want to accept trinity because you follow jw that hate jesus

Tell me is the father almighty God
And is jesus might God
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 4:10pm On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So when you people are contradicting yourselves who should we accept as the one having the right thought? cheesy
If a pastor says look you have the right to cut off your hand if it makes you steal

And another pastor says you can repent by asking jesus for forgiveness and understanding jesus was speaking figuratively

You are free to do any one your mind tells you because if you indeed cut out your hand then you will truly stop stealing but you will find out you will be depressed and die on time

So you use your sense to select the one you want if you have good sense you will pick the second option

And God wants his children to have good sense

He don't want them to have one line of thought to believe nonsense
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 4:11pm On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So trinitarians contradicting you don't have holy spirit? cheesy
only those who believe in trinity can have holy spirit living in them that why you can't have the seal of God on you

You have not shown any prove that trinity people contradict the Bible

We follow Bible we don't follow personal teachings
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:29pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Brother you are confused I know you don't want to accept trinity because you follow jw that hate jesus.Tell me is the father almighty God. And is jesus might God.
If Trinity has revealed itself you people supposed to have the same line of thought regarding it so stop deceiving yourself!🤣
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:30pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
If a pastor says look you have the right to cut off your hand if it makes you steal
And another pastor says you can repent by asking jesus for forgiveness and understanding jesus was speaking figuratively. You are free to do any one your mind tells you because if you indeed cut out your hand then you will truly stop stealing but you will find out you will be depressed and die on time
So you use your sense to select the one you want if you have good sense you will pick the second option. And God wants his children to have good sense. He don't want them to have one line of thought to believe nonsense
Continue deceiving yourself.

As long as you people aren't agreeing Trinity is falsehood!😃
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:31pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
only those who believe in trinity can have holy spirit living in them that why you can't have the seal of God on you. You have not shown any prove that trinity people contradict the Bible. We follow Bible we don't follow personal teachings
All trinitarians are claiming the same nah yet you people are contradicting yourselves!🤣
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MrPresident1: 10:05pm On Dec 30, 2025
The OP ignorantly makes a separation between obeying God's laws and following Jesus.
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:10pm On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If Trinity has revealed itself you people supposed to have the same line of thought regarding it so stop deceiving yourself!🤣
You are not broad in your thinking

GOD called each believer to his own personal revelation

The revelation in Bible is for the whole church but you have your own secret revelation that is personal to you which God will show you

We are not zombie like jw
We have infinite line of thoughts

Example

the Holy Spirit instructed the church in Antioch to "Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul (Paul) for the work to which I have called them," as recorded in Acts 13:2

You see the almighty holy spirit speaking and he is giving instructions or a command

Saying he wants Paul and Barnabas to separate because he called them to different things since they both couldn't have one line of thought

GOD did not call us to have one line of thought but to have Bible line of thoughts and personal revelation
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:13pm On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself.

As long as you people aren't agreeing Trinity is falsehood!😃
We don't force people to accept eternal life or to accept jesus is God

Bible says if God did not draw you to jesus you can never be God child

It only those who God called can understand trinity and know jesus

So it not by force grin
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:15pm On Dec 30, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
All trinitarians are claiming the same nah yet you people are contradicting yourselves!🤣
I ask you which one in the Bible did we contradict you don't have anything to say
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:16pm On Dec 30, 2025
MrPresident1:
The OP ignorantly makes a separation between obeying God's laws and following Jesus.
I know you are a baby Bible reader

There are over or almost 600 laws in the torah old teserment which God command Israel to follow go and read it and tell me which one you have obeyed
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