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Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:24pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
The revelation in Bible is for the whole church but you have your own secret revelation that is personal to you which God will show you.
If each person has their own personal revelation then how do go go about claiming someone is wrong?

Do you know what your Trinity revealed to everyone?

Guy, nah only your own you supposed to carry on your head and not saying others are wrong!🤣
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:26pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
We don't force people to accept eternal life or to accept jesus is God. Bible says if God did not draw you to jesus you can never be God child. It only those who God called can understand trinity and know jesus. So it not by force grin
So wait for God to call them jàre!🤣
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:28pm On Dec 30, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
I ask you which one in the Bible did we contradict you don't have anything to say.
Of course contradictions made you guys have countless religions contradicting each other that's why there is thousands of different religions claiming you know Jesus!🤣
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10:
Kingsnairaland:
Jesus mentions worshipping God "in spirit and truth" in John 4:23-24 (John 4:23-24),
but He doesn't explicitly name the Holy Spirit in those specific verses;
instead,
He emphasizes a heartfelt, genuine worship, not tied to a physical location like Mount Gerizim or Jerusalem, guided by the inner human spirit and God's revealed truth (the Word).
The Holy Spirit's role is later described as the one who empowers this worship, teaching and revealing Christ's words,
as seen in John 14:26.

John 14:26 is a Bible verse where Jesus promises that the Helper (Holy Spirit), sent by the Father in Jesus' name, will teach believers everything and remind them of all that Jesus taught, providing guidance, comfort, and understanding of His words
So where did you get the lie that John 4:24 is referring to the holy spirit instead of the Father?

Did Jesus not specifically tell you to worship the Father in spirit and truth, so where are you getting your Holy Spirit is Almighty God from?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10:
Kingsnairaland:
This guy you are funny

GOD is Spirit

Any where you see capital letters spirit it referring to holy spirit

Now

Bible shows many places that the spirit of God his name title is called holy spirit

So since God is SPIRIT

IT ALSO MEANS SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD ALMIGHTY
AND IT ALSO MEANS
THAT SPIRIT IS GOD
Oga what Is this?

How does "God is spirit" translate to "Holy Spirit is God"?

Where does the Bible say that the "spirit of God is God Almighty"?


Explain 1 Corinthians 15:45 below.

King James Bible
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Who was made a spirit in the above verse?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:03am On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
If each person has their own personal revelation then how do go go about claiming someone is wrong?

Do you know what your Trinity revealed to everyone?

Guy, nah only your own you supposed to carry on your head and not saying others are wrong!🤣
All personal revelation must be under Bible authority

Example

GOD can tell me to touch a sick person in the church so they can become healed
And when I do it they will be healed... The instruction God gave me at that time is what we call personal revelation for that circumstance

And God can tell another person to only speak to the sick person and when that person obey God then that sick person can be healed...
This too is a personal revelation

Now both of this examples are in the Bible so all our trinity believers only obey what pattern that is in the Bible

Now the way we know false believer is if they do what is outside the Bible

Example
If a fake believer said God gave him personal revelation that he should piss or urinate on the sick person to be healed.... That example is never in the Bible so we will automatically know he is not from God


Another example of fake believer
Is if someone refuses to accept to use jesus name in doing the things of God
Immediately we know that person is a fake believer
And if they hate jesus and say he is not God that came in the flesh we know they are fake immediately



So there are infinite rules in the Bible that Jesus ask us to chose from and he can tell us the specific one to do at any point

That why jesus said the holy spirit living in us will instruct us on which one to do each time

Glory
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:08am On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So wait for God to call them jàre!🤣
Dude did I tell you that I am not waiting

What God instruct us to do is to continue to say the revelation of jesus

So that on the final day the ones that refuse to listen will not tell God no one told us

It just like Noah times non can say Noah did not tell him
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:13am On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Of course contradictions made you guys have countless religions contradicting each other that's why there is thousands of different religions claiming you know Jesus!🤣
There is no thousands religion
Rather it thousand Church

And that is what God wants because God moves in men he does not move in religion

He calls men and when he call you you are free to open your own church

But together we are all the body of Christ

Once I noticed you speak in tongues or you know that Jesus is God

Then immediately we relate easily even if you go to different churches

Because there is Bible foundation any one who reject that Bible foundation is not from God
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:16am On Dec 31, 2025
Truthseeker10:
So where did you get the lie that John 4:24 is referring to the holy spirit instead of the Father?

Did Jesus not specifically tell you to worship the Father in spirit and truth, so where are you getting your Holy Spirit is Almighty God from?
I explained it up try read it properly

Peter said to that husband and wife you lied to the holy spirit that mean you lie to God

That place alone shows that holy spirit is God

Try read up or I will copy it and show it you again to read
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:20am On Dec 31, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Oga what Is this?

How does "God is spirit" translate to "Holy Spirit is God"?

Where does the Bible say that the "spirit of God is God Almighty"?


Explain 1 Corinthians 15:45 below.

King James Bible
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Who was made a spirit in the above verse?
Look at the Bible look at Adam spirit it is in small letters

Look at the first one God is Spirit it in capitals

Spirit with big capital is holy spirit..
Besides read to see how I show you the spirit of God is God almighty

I can show you more Proves since you don't understand but you will still not want to accept
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:59am On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
All personal revelation must be under Bible authority.
Stop deceiving yourself.

None of you ever confessed that his or her own revelation is not biblical yet you are contradicting yourselves! cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:01am On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Dude did I tell you that I am not waiting
Now you are lying! cheesy

Because i agreed that Jesus is the only way to salvation going by what the Bible teaches but you insisted i must believe your Trinity when your Trinity never showed up to me! cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:04am On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
And that is what God wants because God moves in men he does not move in religion
Now i agree with you on this.
Your god is for disorder! 1Corinthans 14:33 cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 8:58am On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Look at the Bible look at Adam spirit it is in small letters

Look at the first one God is Spirit it in capitals

Spirit with big capital is holy spirit..
Besides read to see how I show you the spirit of God is God almighty

I can show you more Proves since you don't understand but you will still not want to accept
What does it mean for the last Adam to be spirit?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 9:03am On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
I explained it up try read it properly

Peter said to that husband and wife you lied to the holy spirit that mean you lie to God

That place alone shows that holy spirit is God

Try read up or I will copy it and show it you again to read
Explain Luke 11:13 below.

King James Bible
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:45am On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Stop deceiving yourself.

None of you ever confessed that his or her own revelation is not biblical yet you are contradicting yourselves! cheesy
Up till now you have not shown me where we contradict our self

One pastor can come and say the best way to pray is by kneeling down

Another cab say it by bowing down

It is not contradicting any thing

That is what we call personal choice

That is not contradicting any thing I told told you that the foundation of bible is permanent

The foundation of bible of real church of real believers

Is

Number 1
All of us must accept that Jesus is God almighty who came in the flesh

Bible teaches that Jesus is God who came in the flesh, a doctrine known as the Incarnation, central to Christianity,
affirming Jesus' dual nature as fully divine and fully human, as seen in passages like
John 1:14 ("The Word became flesh"wink

and 1 Timothy 3:16
("God was manifest in the flesh"wink, highlighting He is both God and the Son of God, revealed in physical form to redeem humanity.

Number 2
All believers must believe that God almighty is trinity because God don't share his glory with man or angels
So no angel or man helped God to save human

Jesus commands we do church activities using only the name of
Father
Son
Holy spirit

Number 3 foundation
Jesus and Bible is greater than any church or organisation or pastor so the Bible and jesus must be ultimate

So the day your pastor tell you that he is greater than Bible or jesus run

Number 4
You can only get eternal life through jesus your church or organisation or pastor can not give you eternal life

This are the foundation if any one refuses to accept this foundation they are not from God
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 10:49am On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Now you are lying! cheesy

Because i agreed that Jesus is the only way to salvation going by what the Bible teaches but you insisted i must believe your Trinity when your Trinity never showed up to me! cheesy
One thing I ask you you run because you are confused

If the father is God almighty
And you insist that Jesus is not God almighty and that Jesus is God mighty.

Tell me how many God that you have
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:54am On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
Up till now you have not shown me where we contradict our self.
Many trinitarians disagree with you that Jesus is not God.

So get that straight! cheesy
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:58am On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
One thing I ask you you run because you are confused. If the father is God almighty. And you insist that Jesus is not God almighty and that Jesus is God mighty. Tell me how many God that you have.
When God said to Moses:

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Exodus 7:1

How many Gods are there?😃
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:40am On Dec 31, 2025
Truthseeker10:
What does it mean for the last Adam to be spirit?
GOD made the first Adam soul to become more powerful than his spirit and his body

Because if you noticed that why men invent many great things on earth

But when it comes to jesus who is the last Adam he already have a power SPIRIT
So his spirit is more powerful than his body and soul

So we that are his children we have two advantages

We have a strong soul from Adam and we have a strong spirit from jesus

But those who are not God children only have stronger souls and weaker spirit because they are not born again their spirit can not understand the things of God
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op):
MaxInDHouse:
Now i agree with you on this.
Your god is for disorder! 1Corinthans 14:33 cheesy
You are insulting God that said seperate Paul and Barnabas so that the work will be easy

No human can be everywhere

That why God seperate them

I can be in Lagos doing the work if God in my church and another can be in London

If we are all in one place then nothing will move forward
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:48am On Dec 31, 2025
Truthseeker10:
Explain Luke 11:13 below.

King James Bible
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
It means after you receive jesus in your life the next thing you ask God is is to give you the holy spirit so that you can have ability to speak in tongues

It is the holy spirit that can give you ability to speak with tongues

That why jesus said you should ask God for the holy spirit to live inside you
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 11:51am On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Many trinitarians disagree with you that Jesus is not God.

So get that straight! cheesy
It not possible to read John 1
And not see that Jesus is God almighty
Unless they pervert their Bible

So no one that see God the Father the son the holy spirit that Jesus talk about will not see trinity

All trinity knows jesus is God almighty


NOW LET ME TELL YOU A SECRET THE GOD THAT IS PRESENT ON EARTH NOW IS CALLED

GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT

GOD THE FATHER HAVE finished his own part and jesus have finished his own part

So in this era it the time of the HOLY SPIRIT
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:03pm On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
When God said to Moses:

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Exodus 7:1

How many Gods are there?😃
First I hope you know English I have made....

This shows it not God

But a created God

This is not real God

There is no place where it is written that Jesus was created or made.

Created God is just not the real God

A true God can appear physically and die and raise himself back to life.

But moses can't even enter promise land...
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 12:07pm On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
When God said to Moses:

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Exodus 7:1

How many Gods are there?😃
It is an abomination for God almighty to call
Any angel or any human being
Everlasting FATHER

because that is the title of GOD ALMIGHTY

BUT yet GOD ALMIGHTY called
jesus that name

Glory
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:04pm On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
It not possible to read John 1
And not see that Jesus is God almighty
Unless they pervert their Bible.
Only trinitarians deceived themselves in that verse because the rest of the chapter indicates trinitarians missed the import of verse one!

smiley
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:10pm On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
It is an abomination for God almighty to call
Any angel or any human being
Everlasting FATHER
because that is the title of GOD ALMIGHTY
BUT yet GOD ALMIGHTY called
jesus that name
Glory
Your personal opinion.
Adam is the father of all humans but he chose death the second Adam chose life that's why he became a life giving spirit who bore children by faith {1Corinthans 15:45} he will live forever after using his perfect human life to pay for the sin of his faithful children that's what makes him the everlasting father. Isaiah 9:6
Kingsnairaland:
There is no place where it is written that Jesus was created or made.
The word "BORN" means the person in question is a "CREATED" being! Isaiah 9:6
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 3:11pm On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
It means after you receive jesus in your life the next thing you ask God is is to give you the holy spirit so that you can have ability to speak in tongues

It is the holy spirit that can give you ability to speak with tongues

That why jesus said you should ask God for the holy spirit to live inside you
So Why are we asking the Father for the Holy Spirit if the Holy Spirit is Almighty God on his own?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Truthseeker10: 3:13pm On Dec 31, 2025
Kingsnairaland:
GOD made the first Adam soul to become more powerful than his spirit and his body

Because if you noticed that why men invent many great things on earth

But when it comes to jesus who is the last Adam he already have a power SPIRIT
So his spirit is more powerful than his body and soul

So we that are his children we have two advantages

We have a strong soul from Adam and we have a strong spirit from jesus

But those who are not God children only have stronger souls and weaker spirit because they are not born again their spirit can not understand the things of God
🤣🤣🤣This man.....where does the Bible teach that the Adam Soul is Powerful than his spirit?

Where does the Bible also teach that Jesus spirit is powerful than his soul?
Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 3:28pm On Dec 31, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Only trinitarians deceived themselves in that verse because the rest of the chapter indicates trinitarians missed the import of verse one!

smiley
The founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, Charles Taze Russell, and the subsequent translators of their Bible, the New World Translation (NWT), rendered John 1:1 as "the Word was a god " (rather than "the Word was God " ) to align the verse with their non-trinitarian doctrine that Jesus is a divine, mighty being but not the Almighty God.


Your founder in jw actually accept that he changed it to a god

Claiming there should be an
indefinite article

The founder also hate hell fire and lake of fire and he teach them those things don't exist lol

Re: Can You Be Saved By Obeying God Laws Or By Believing In Jesus by Kingsnairaland(op): 3:30pm On Dec 31, 2025
The founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, Charles Taze Russell, and the subsequent translators of their Bible, the New World Translation (NWT), rendered John 1:1 as "the Word was a god" (rather than "the Word was God"wink to align the verse with their non-trinitarian doctrine that Jesus is a divine, mighty being but not the Almighty God.
The key reasons for this translation are:
Theological Consistency: Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is God's "only-begotten son" and his first creation, making him subordinate to Jehovah, the Father. Translating John 1:1 as "the Word was God" would contradict this foundational belief by suggesting Jesus is co-equal and identical to the Father.
Greek Grammar Interpretation: The Koine Greek text of John 1:1 lacks a definite article ("the"wink before the second instance of the word for "God" (theos). Jehovah's Witnesses argue that, depending on the context, an anarthrous (without the article) predicate noun can be indefinite, which supports their translation of "a god". They point to other passages where "god" is used to describe mighty ones, including humans and angels, in a non-almighty sense.
Contextual Reading: Proponents of the NWT translation argue that the immediate context of John 1:1, "the Word was with God" (which uses the definite article for God), requires a distinction between the Word (Jesus) and the Almighty God (Jehovah). If Jesus were "the God," he could not simultaneously be "with God".
Support from other translations: They cite other historical Bible translations and scholars who have similarly rendered the phrase as "a god" or "divine" to support their grammatical argument and show their rendering is not unique. They also note that ancient manuscripts like the Sahidic Coptic translation used an indefinite article, supporting their understanding that early Christians did not view Jesus as Almighty God.

Critics of the NWT translation, including most mainstream Christian denominations, argue that the absence of the article is a common feature of Greek grammar in this sentence structure and that "the Word was God" is the proper translation, supporting the doctrine of the Trinity and the full deity of Christ.
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