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QuinQQ:
But then people like MaxInDHouse will say the last quote actually reads:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was A God."

They comfortably have more than one God while claiming monotheism - they want to have their cake and eat it too!

Janosky:
Oga,Why are you deceiving yourself?

Pls Listen to Deuteronomy 10:17 & John 20:17.
This is the teaching of Jesus so that you can understand John 1:1.
Deut 10:17.
"For Yahweh your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the fearsome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe"

John 20:17
" Jesus said - I am ascending to my God & your God,my Father & your Father.

Yahweh the Father is the God of gods (Jesus & the disciples are gods. Therefore ,the Word,Jesus is a god @ John 1;1.
Jesus said so at John 10:34-36,he learnt from Psalm 82:6 & Deuteronomy 10:17.)
Please Sir,study your Bible and receive understanding.

QuinQ:
If you ask me to show you God and I say to you: "What is wrong with you? Have you not seen me? Which other God do you think there is? After all this time how can you still think there is another God besides me? What is wrong with you?!"
What does that tell you?

John 14:
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you still say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Janosky:
Oga, is John 3:16 & John 14;24 missing in your Bible?
Jesus replied to your post in John 14:24 & John 3;16 thus :John 14;24
He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me."

The statement you read that Jesus spoke in Verse 9 is the instruction of the God his Father (the Senior) who sent Jesus .
Because Quin sent his son to give Janosky a message,Oga should your son say he is you the Father?
No nau.
Open John 5:37,43 & do away with the false narratives you made about John 14:9.
Conclusion: Jesus is not God his Father.
Rather,Yahweh the Father is the God of gods- Jesus & the disciples & all men.

QuinQ:
Oga, Oga, Oga, Jesus is GOD!!! He is not the Father BUT He and the Father are ONE!!! Worshipping Him is worshipping the Father!!!
Your problem is that you keep trying to define God in human terms - an impossibility.

QuinQ:
How else can Jesus tell you He is God and still avoid being crucified before t3he appointed time?? How many times must He use the devine "I am" before you get the hint?

John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am" - they realized He just claimed to be God!)

So my man, if you honestly study the Bible with an open heart, it will gradually dawn on you as it has dawned on thousands before you: This is God!

Janosky:
You have defined God on the basis of Nicene Creed set up by emperor Constantine but you are rejecting John 3:16 & Deut 10:17.
Oga,is Jesus the God of gods?
No.
Jesus is not God.
God sent Jesus. Jn 3;16. Rom 8:3.
God did not send himself.
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Oga, what is the meaning of " I am" @ John 8:24,28?
" I will be" is the Hebrew expression @ Exodus 3:12,14.
Zero connection between Exodus 3:12,14 & John 8:24,28,58


Do you expect Hausa man to give you correct meaning of a Yoruba word?
No.
Why do you expect an English man to give you the meaning of a Hebrew word?
"I am" is not hebrew "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh" (meaning " I will be" @ Exodus 3:12,14.
King james Bible dictionary screenshot evidence debunks "I am" .
Mark 14:62,"I am" mean that Jesus is the messiah.
No add maggi & curry spice to give distorted meaning..
Oga, pls learn more.

QuinQ:
Ogaaaaaah, you may be slow but I'm sure u were not born yesterday. No need to debate words. Jews never used the words Jesus used. They were reserved for God!

QuinQ:
THE PEOPLE PRESENT (which u were NOT) KNEW HE WAS CLAIMING TO BE GOD! (including the chief priest). And here you are, 2000 years later second-guesing what they heard!

QuinQ:
He forgave sins, accepted worship, entered people’s hearts! What other attribute would convince you he is God?
Not only that, the Father could have struct him down for lying, instead He rose from the DEAD to be worshipped exactly as God!
Or are you saying God is powerless??

QuinQ:
Oga, Oga, Oga, Jesus is GOD!!! He is not the Father BUT He and the Father are ONE!!! Worshipping Him is worshipping the Father!!!
Your problem is that you keep trying to define God in human terms - an impossibility.

How else can Jesus tell you He is God and still avoid being crucified before the appointed time?? How many times must He use the devine "I am" before you get the hint?

John 8
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him... (for obviously claiming to be God)

AND
John 10:33,: "We are not stoning you for any good work," they replied, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God,"

AND
Mark 14,: Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus...
63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?”
(Here again Jesus uses the divine "I am" - they realized He just claimed to be God!)

So my man, if you honestly study the Bible with an open heart, it will gradually dawn on you as it has dawned on thousands before you: This is God!

QuinQ:
Ogaaaaaah, you may be slow but I'm sure u were not born yesterday. No need to debate words. Jews never used the words Jesus used. They were reserved for God!
THE PEOPLE PRESENT (which u were NOT) KNEW HE WAS CLAIMING TO BE GOD! (including the chief priest). And here you are, 2000 years later second-guesing what they heard! He forgave sins, accepted worship, entered people’s hearts! What other attribute would convince you he is God?
Not only that, the Father could have struct him down for lying, instead He rose from the DEAD to be worshipped exactly as God!
Or are you saying God is powerless??

Truthseeker10:
You mean Jesus was all of this without being equal with the father according to John 14:28?

Truthseeker10:
If Jesus is God, does that mean he is the Almighty God?

explain John 14:28

QuinQ:
Already explained above. Best way to ROUGHLY put it from our human perspective is that He is a manifestation of the Almighty God. As He Himself said, seeing Him is not just like seeing the Almighty, it is ACTUALLY seeing the Almighty!

QuinQ:
Equality or inequality does not apply between the Father and the Son. It is an attribute of our competitive world. Once again this is like trying to describe a 10-dimensional world from ours. What you're trying to do is ROUGHLY like saying that Moint Everest is greater than one of it's summits - which is also 100% the same Mount Everest!

Janosky:
Are you listening to yourself?
Jesus is a Jew .
He knows that @ Exodus 3:12,14 the Hebrew word Hayah/Ehyeh is " I will be."
Jesus knows that Exodus 3:12,14 has no connection to " Iam " @John 8:24,58.

@ John 5:18,Father means Senior.
The Jews said Jesus called God his Father(Senior). Why do you deceive yourself that calling Someone your Senior makes you equal to your Senior?
@ John 19:7,@ Matt 26:63-65,the chief priest said "Jesus made himself son of God.
Oga,go read am in your Bible.
Or

The disciples forgave sins, raised up the dead.
Peter the apostle was worshipped.
Does that make Peter God?
Abeg , don't deceive yourself.
John 17:7 is in your Bible.
But God his Father (Senior) owns everything & is Supreme. 1 Cor 11:3. Hebrew6:13.

Janosky:
You have defined God on the basis of Nicene Creed set up by emperor Constantine but you are rejecting John 3:16 & Deut 10:17.
Oga,is Jesus the God of gods?
No.
Jesus is not God.
God sent Jesus. Jn 3;16. Rom 8:3.
God did not send himself.
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Oga, what is the meaning of " I am" @ John 8:24,28?
" I will be" is the Hebrew expression @ Exodus 3:12,14.
Zero connection between Exodus 3:12,14 & John 8:24,28,58


Do you expect Hausa man to give you correct meaning of a Yoruba word?
No.
Why do you expect an English man to give you the meaning of a Hebrew word?
"I am" is not hebrew "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh" (meaning " I will be" @ Exodus 3:12,14.
King james Bible dictionary screenshot evidence debunks "I am" .
Mark 14:62,"I am" mean that Jesus is the messiah.
No add maggi & curry spice to give distorted meaning..
Oga, pls learn more.

QuinQ:
Here you are, still parsing words. He said much more than what made into your version of a version of a translation of a transliteration of your revised version of the Bible! EVERYBODY THERE UNDERSTOOD HE WAS CLAIMING TO BE GOD!! Including the disciples! If He wasn't God, what was He?? Why did God allow that an extremely blasphemous person be allowed to rise from DEAD and be worshipped as God for now 2000+ years??
Was Peter prophesied as God coming to stay with us? Did Peter say he'd enter any person's heart? Was Peter worshipped by wise men as a new-born of a common carpenter? Did anybody ever say Peter was claiming to be God??

Truthseeker10:
Below is Matthew 18:26.

King James Bible
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

According to the verse above, Who did Jesus claim was worshipped?

Truthseeker10:
If equality does not matter, what Is the essence of the statement in John 14:28?

Truthseeker10:
Please be plain. Is Jesus the Almighty God? Yes or no?
If seeing Jesus is seeing the Almighty, why would he also claim that the Father is greater than him?

QuinQ:
It doesn't not apply, just as time does not apply.
But humans think in those terms, hence John 14

QuinQ:
Red herring. What has this to do with the discussion?

QuinQ:
Because HUMANS think in those terms when in fact no such context exists between the Father and the Son. A thing cannot be greater than itself

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣Kindly explain John 14:28.

King James Bible
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I

Explain the bolded above.

Truthseeker10:
You claimed Jesus was worshipped means he Is the Almighty God. Who was Worshipped in Matthew 18:26?

Truthseeker10:
According to your analogy above, Was Jesus the father himself?

QuinQ:
You tell us, WHO?

QuinQ:
A thing cannot be greater or less than itself. BUT humans think in those terms. Also, remember you're reading a translation of a translation of words passed person to person by mouth. I bet if you go to the original source "greater than" is not what you think.
Father and Son are different persons of same God. Equality and inequality does not arise!

QuinQ:
Two Persons (" manifestations"} of same ONE God!