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Hairyrapunzel:
Question and answer

removetheturban:
Evading questions does not achieve fruits. If you know it, supply it! If you do not, search for it.

Obviously, one would have thought that you had an in-depth knowledge of the Bible seeing how you lied to have been a JW and how your comment was full of a vendetta against the JW. It turns out that you do not know the facets of your own doctrine. You flow with the tides. You cannot answer preliminary questions regarding your faith.

What is the meaning of 'God'?

Hairyrapunzel:
See chief evader of questions. Pot calling kettle black. You that will answer a question with unrelated question nko. You say you can answer preliminary questions regarding your faith yet you do this by asking questions based on assumption.
Be waiting for a reply you will wait till your paradise earth comes (it's never gonna happen)

Topsido:
YES, Jesus is God.

Topsido:
YES, Jesus is God.

salvation101:
u mean HIS glory right? Because Philippians tell us how he willingly relinquished d glory to come and die on earth. After his resurrection he went back to collect his glory.

Maamin:
God the son implies that God the father is God the son which is a wrong phrase to use.

God the father and the son of God are one in spirit..but Jesus made it crystal clear through out the Bible that he has a father and a God greater than him both in heaven and on earth.

You concluded too early by quoting Rev.1:8. Well let's start from verse 1 to get the real picture here.

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Take note of the bold in verse 1. God gave the Revelation to Jesus the Son, whom Jesus in turn gave to the Angel to give to his servant John

Now don't get confused by the ending footnote in verse 8. that says "the Almighty" this Revelation comes from God Almighty himself to the Son to the Angel and to John.

The father is always pleased to reveal and show his will to the Son and his will is what the son does and they are in agreement (one).

lovingJehovah:
The Bible never recorded God in the flesh. God is a spirit as John 4:24 says. There is nothing like not being equal to God because he was in the flesh. 1 Peter 3:18 says that Jesus was made alive in the spirit. Do you believe that verse? So, at the time that he became a spirit, did he become coequal to God? No!
A noteworthy thing is the account in John 14:6 where Jesus said that he is the way. The way to who? God! Can you be a way and be the destination at the same time?
If he revealed his identity after his death, why was he still unable to tell the end of this system of things? He said that even the angels in heaven who are spirits do not know. So becoming a spirit does not equal him to God.
John 5:30 "I can do nothing on My own initiative".
Jesus has told you that just as he sees his father doing, he learned. In John 5:20 you can see how the father taught and still teaches Jesus. You cannot be coequal to someone whose initiative you carry out, someone who teaches you, and above all someone who you are a FIRSTBORN to.

lovingJehovah:
Right there in front of you. It is in your Bible. Were you expecting me to refer you to our NWT? Nope! Didn't you take your time to read the verses I quoted? Jesus himself said it. 1 Corinthians has the answer.

lovingJehovah:
No, bro. I am not the author of the Bible. As you can see, I have been quoting every response of mine from the scriptures. I know nothing without the Bible. I am not here to share my opinion or point but the Bible's viewpoint. I encourage you to do some deep research to find out the first century Christians' translation of the Bible. It cuts through all the mess and dogma circulating in town.

Maamin:
God made this Revelation of Jesus Christ through an Angel and to John in Rev 22:12-13

You can see that in verse 6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

And in verse 16
" I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

You will get a clearer understanding if you also read Rev. 1:1-8

Revelation From
God > Jesus > an Angel > John

MetalJigsaw:
That's not true

MaxInDHouse:
You only knew what you were programmed to believe prove my wrong by quoting the Bible to support what you believe.

God gave Jesus and Jesus passed it to John through an angel. Revelation 1:1-2

Janosky:
This is the clearest verse where Jesus expressed the hierarchy in heaven to debunk the Trinity doctrine of men.
The God in heaven is worshipped by Jesus & other beings , proving they are all messengers of Yahweh the One true God.

MaxInDHouse:
You only knew what you were programmed to believe prove my wrong by quoting the Bible to support what you believe.

God gave Jesus and Jesus passed it to John through an angel. Revelation 1:1-2

Janosky:
This is the clearest verse where Jesus expressed the hierarchy in heaven to debunk the Trinity doctrine of men.
The God in heaven is worshipped by Jesus & other beings , proving they are all messengers of Yahweh the One true God.

MetalJigsaw:
Jesus is the one speaking in verse 22. He was making a direct statement. Even google confirms that

MaxInDHouse:
Quote what Jesus said and not what you are programmed to say.

MetalJigsaw:
What is are u saying.

MaxInDHouse:
I said quote what is written in Bible and not what you were programmed to believe!🙂

MetalJigsaw:
What do you mean "programmed". Do you know me before?
By the way, can we have a respectful and honest discussion about the Bible? Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
When a person is programmed he or she will just continue arguing on quotes but won't think of expatiating so that if his or her listener doesn't believe Bible stories they could get the sense of what he or she is saying.

How can a person be a Son but not born as in brought to life by his father?🤔

MetalJigsaw:
I am not programmed to believe anything. I'm not an illiterate or a child.

The father and the son in the Godhead are eternal beings, neither are they human. Eternal beings have no beginning or end. Both the father and the son have no beginning as the father eternally generates the son, while the Holy spirit proceeds from him. There are clear verses that we can both look up bro.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is programming!

The word "Godhead" was fabricated by trinitarians, it's from pagan traditions long before Jesus was born.

According to the scriptures Jesus is one of God's creations that's why he is called firstborn of all creation there is no firstborn who is not part of those being born.

The Son had a beginning that's why the Bible could say "in the beginning was the Word" only God has no beginning but as for the son his existence occurred at the beginning of creation that's what made him the First born of all creation! Colossians 1:15

MetalJigsaw:
Brother, we need to try and be as honest as we can about the Holy Bible The father also worship Jesus likewise before he took on flesh. Jesus is still a man in heaven that's why the father is still God over him. Okay

Are you kidding me?
Oga, which verse did you see it in your Bible ?
Pls ,can you post the quote as it is written in your Bible ?
Bring it on let's see the verse & chapter.

MetalJigsaw:
I am not programmed to believe anything. I'm not an illiterate or a child.


The father and the son in the Godhead are eternal beings, neither are they human.

Jesus is still a man in heaven that's why the father is still God over him. Okay

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MetalJigsaw:
Always get your facts night bro.
The Godhead is a grammatical word used to identity the divine being or any other deity in its entirety. Pls Check your dictionary. At your second point. If we're to go by your logic that means Jesus was the first person to die, since he's also identified the Flrstborn of the dead.

MetalJigsaw:
Respecfully, you really misunderstand the bible alot. The title "firstborn of all creation doesn't mean jesus was created. Its a term that points to the of supremacy and pretty eminence of Christ over all creation. remember God also proclaimed David as his firstborn even though he was the youngest of his brothers.

MetalJigsaw:
Firstborn of the dead is his supremacy ove death as he rose from the dead with an immortal and glorified body. He lsubdued death. Your third point is the context of the beginning of creation and not the beginning of Christ.[/quote ]
God never died so Jesus was a creature who died just as God said regarding all those who were called gods! Psalms 82:6

[quote author=MetalJigsaw post=138544214]"In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the word was God The Word was in the beginning with God. The word became flesh... All things were made by him and nothing that was made existed without him.

MetalJigsaw:
The verse is saying Jesus was involved in creation of EVERYTHING alongside the father and the Holy spirit. So he's outside of creation, hence the verse: Nothing came into existence without him.