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OneCandleAway:
There's even a case the parents in Lagos sued the hospital for giving their baby blood. The hospital said the baby would have died. Eventually Lagos state ruled that the government had rights on any child under 18 and ruled in favour of the hospital.

Omorr, na wa oOoOO 🤣😅😂

Trendie247:
A NEPA staff who was electrocuted in 2023 had his both arms amputated because he refused blood transfusion based on this same belief. I wonder how he's going to feel now with this adjustment

Body go tell am 😂😅🤣

DoctorAyukebot:
I remember this primary school classmate of mine who died after being knocked down by a car. Ngu cried and begged the mother to be transfused but mama refused point blank. In the end he died..

Mother from the pit of helll

A proof that all religions known to man is purely man made saying otherwise is just dishonest.

I'll not surprise if some people are seething right now looking for ways to defend their own religion and all, well, well, it's what it's and I'm not sorry.

Smh

angelboy01:
Guy the way you dey talk this thing, ajeh I just dey wonder how a full grown adult go dey talk this. Many of you even allowed your kids to die because of a man made belief. Even Luke himself was a physician, and what did Matthew 9:12 It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.”
Jesus clearly acknowledged that sick people should see doctors. He did not condemn medical treatment.
Even Jesus himself repeatedly taught that saving life matters more than strict interpretations of rules (for example healing on the Sabbath in Gospel of Mark 3:4). His question was essentially: Is it lawful to save life or destroy it? I hope you emancipate yourself from religious stronghold.

I don't understand you.

Are we talking of condemning medical treatment or medical approach?

Guy if JWs don't go to hospitals you won't hear of this issue at all.

So please get things straight before commenting.

achorladey:
You think you can carry on your lies and manipulations here too

Starts here....



John6 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?

You want to lie on top Jesus head seeking total submission to advance why you and your likes give total submission to your religious leaders in USA

Followed by



Shooting yourself in the foot. Jehovah's witnesses wants every to believe it is either Jehovah's witnesses black or christendom white, no middle ground, no sitting on the fence . See confusion dey confuse himself.



The bold tells you the whole story, the apostles only had one thing in mind not Jesus . Despite Jesus saying those who follow him are to carry their torture stake and follow him continually, he never I repeated never asked for blind total submission that's why he repeatedly ask the disciples for their views not just asking them to totally submit to him like a tyrant who just wants power

Even Jesus had to appear to Thomas when Thomas doubted and subjected his appearance to reason rather than faith.

Jesus understood that believe without proof(Blind faith) can be highly rewarding if right.
But blind faith can also be abused as well.
So he perfectly understood the place of doubt and questioning things genuinely.

I believe he will surely provide one a second option just like Thomas if ones doubt is genuine so one won't fall astray to abusers and manipulators of blind faith as well.

Please try to be specific with this.

According to Luke 9:23 is Jesus asking for totally control of the life of his disciples?🙂

achorladey:
You think you can carry on your lies and manipulations here too
Starts here....
John6 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?
You want to lie on top Jesus head seeking total submission to advance why you and your likes give total submission to your religious leaders in USA
Followed by
Shooting yourself in the foot. Jehovah's witnesses wants every to believe it is either Jehovah's witnesses black or christendom white, no middle ground, no sitting on the fence . See confusion dey confuse himself.
The bold tells you the whole story, the apostles only had one thing in mind not Jesus . Despite Jesus saying those who follow him are to carry their torture stake and follow him continually, he never I repeated never asked for blind total submission that's why he repeatedly ask the disciples for their views not just asking them to totally submit to him like a tyrant who just wants power

2mch:
No faith in Christianity asked you to kill yourself.

Please do you have any right to choose the type of treatment or anything should be administered in the name of treatment?🙂

chimex38:
Theres no how one won't have at least a contrary opinion of at least a doctrine of his/her religion.
It doesn't mean you should denounce or leave the entire organisation. It means you are capable of self thought.

Jesus said you are neither hot nor cold! Revelation 3:16

Faithful servants of God are ever ready to live or die for their faith o! Romans 14:8🙂

I lost my dad as a result of this doctrine.

chimex38:
Even Jesus had to appear to Thomas when Thomas doubted and subjected his appearance to reason rather than faith.

Thomas refused to believe what his fellow disciples are saying about Jesus' resurrection but he stood firm with his teacher even when many disciples who have been following Jesus questioned the teachings of his master! John 16:63-66

So your case totally differs from what happened to Thomas!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
The Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem prayed for guidance on a matter that's involving the congregation and God's holy spirit revealed to them that only activities that could lead to the spread of disease is what they should carefully watch out for. Act 15:28-29

So true Christians needs to abstain from blood but now since it's not from another person's body rather my own body its still safe if returned to my body.🙂

Eldeedon:

You ran away yesterday!🙂

achorladey:
Especially for a community of people that gives blind obedience and submission to men like them. E go hard ooooo

Many have been led to unnecessary suffering, pain and death but no apologies. No one will be held responsible.
Let's just hope that they keep learning and reforming

Why couldn't members of religious bodies see the flaw in beard, transfusion, TV is bad, Tithe isn't compulsory Vs compulsory in GOs, Gay Anglican bishops, Mary as Madiatrics of Graces Catholics, communion in churches where it wasn't initially, etc even when non-members and critics have seen it and called it out.
How can you then call recent pronouncements divine guidance by the Holy Spirit with praying and studying by your hierarchy when it has been revealed to those tagged "non-believers" long ago.



If you only acknowledge a flaw only after its been revealed by supposed "spiritual leaders" when supposed
"faithless people" have received the same revelation long time ago, there should be a reevaluation and a question to one's suspended thought process, sentiment or biasness during those times.

Core doctrines of faith should endure forever and worth dying for for the adherents.
Not subject to trial-and-error and sometimes Shamefully and wholly overturned making those who died for such cause initially look stupid and foolish.

felixawe:
I'm yet to find find where exactly the scripture kick against blood transfusion. I asked a neighbor whom is a JW to substantiate their doctrine scripturally she referred me to Act 15:20 & 29 which read

"But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well"

Does the above scripture really kick against blood transfusion?

If it's scriptural ;
1: Why are they relapsing the doctrine ?
2: what's going to be the fate of the neglected donee should death arise.
3: Upon whom the blood of the donee would be upon ?

If this is the chapter they base such doctrine on then it is wrong and a wrong interpretation. First and formost, blood transfusion was first done in 1818 so, the people who wrote the Bible had no understanding of transfusion.


Then this chapter is solely relating to worship of and sacrifice to other gods which require strangling animals or drinking blood. Abrahamic religions are very specific in how to kill an animal for eating or sacrifice. The animal must not struggle, suffer or be strangled. I truly hope you are wrong and this is not the passage this dangerous doctrine was derived from.

OneCandleAway:
There's even a case the parents in Lagos sued the hospital for giving their baby blood. The hospital said the baby would have died. Eventually Lagos state ruled that the government had rights on any child under 18 and ruled in favour of the hospital.

Interesting..

MaxInDHouse:
You ran away yesterday!🙂

In your dreams neighbor... you were the one who ran away! I waited i didn't see your response I move!! I'm surprised to see you here again this morning

Imagine the number of their adherents and followers that had wastefully lost their lives and loved ones due to the JW's initial stance on blood transfusion...

What a shame

MaxInDHouse:
Please try to be specific with this.

According to Luke 9:23 is Jesus asking for totally control of the life of his disciples?🙂

Jesus never asked for control of anybody’s life. He understood that if the disciples were to follow him they would have to leave all earthly pleasures behind because their journey was to be one of sacrifice, healing, working for the poor and the sick and preaching to people to love one another. Jesus already died for our sins. At no point was it required for us to die under any disciple and their doctrine. Even those who died in defense of their faith did not do so at their own hands.

Eldeedon:
In your dreams neighbor... you were the one who ran away! I waited i didn't see your response I move!! I'm surprised to see you here again this morning

Oh so you actually waited?

I'm sorry after some minutes and there was no response i slept off.

MaxInDHouse:
Please do you have any right to choose the type of treatment or anything should be administered in the name of treatment?🙂

I have a right to choose my type of treatment if it will save my life. That is a personal decision and should never be from compulsion or risk of exclusion by any group I belong to because I chose a treatment that will save my life. I can never belong to such anyway!

You ran away from the question asked only to pick someone else comment.

What i asked you is this:

Do you have the right to choose the type of treatment that's good for you or anything will do in the name of treatment?🙂

2mch:
Jesus never asked for control of anybody’s life. He understood that if the disciples were to follow him they would have to leave all earthly pleasures behind because their journey was to be one of sacrifice, healing, working for the poor and the sick and preaching to people to love one another. Jesus already died for our sins. At no point was it required for us to die under any disciple and their doctrine. Even those who died in defense of their faith did not do so at their own hands.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said you are neither hot nor cold! Revelation 3:16

Faithful servants of God are ever ready to live or die for their faith o! Romans 14:8🙂

Yes. For those who died at the hands of the Romans due to persecution. Not because their pastor said they should reject healing and die. They did not die for their faith in such circumstance. That is pure self unaliving.

The blood of those who have died as a result of this their doctrine shall be required from those who made those doctrine on the day of judgment....

2mch:
I have a right to choose my type of treatment if it will save my life. That is a personal decision and should never be from compulsion or risk of exclusion by any group I belong to because I chose a treatment that will save my life. I can never belong to such anyway!

The highlighted is what all JWs believe.

Blood transfusion doesn't save but kills because the blood from someone else will never ever work perfectly with your own body so when this new update came in it makes the scriptural guidance more logical because it's your own blood not that of someone else!🙂

chimex38:
Doctrinal Changes And Effect On Personal Judgement



This is a fallout from the recent adjustment on blood transfusion from JW which other doctrinal adjustments also happens in every other religion as well.

Where do we draw the line as Christians?

Previous thread https://www.nairaland.com/8638945/jehovahs-witnesses-now-allow-transfusion

Lamasta:
The blood of those who have died as a result of this their doctrine shall be required from those who made those doctrine on the day of judgment....

The number of people that have died because of the JW blood Transfusion Policy are beyond counting.
Many of them mothers of Newborn babies who lost too much blood while giving birth
Many of them the Nurses and Doctors were begging to accept the Blood Transfusion and they refused until they gave up the Ghost leaving their new born babies motherless


This is what you get when the people leading a Church or congregation have not been ordained or empowered by Christ Holy Spirit

Placing Burdens on people that Christ never placed in them

Just pray over the blood and ask Jesus to Bless and Sanctify it!!

MaxInDHouse:
You ran away from the question asked only to pick someone else comment.

What i asked you is this:

Do you have the right to choose the type of treatment that's good for you or anything will do in the name of treatment?🙂

Run away? I answered you. Guy you clearly read your Bible upside down and lack the ability to understand the book and the context of events that spurned such passages. No wonder you need another human to interpret it for you. The passages you have been quoting provide no justification for refusing blood transfusion or any life saving treatment for that matter.

2mch:
Yes. For those who died at the hands of the Romans due to persecution. Not because their pastor said they should reject healing and die. They did not die for their faith in such circumstance. That is pure self unaliving.

Do you think people who goes to the hospital are rejecting healing or the type of treatment available?🙂

2mch:
Run away? I answered you. Guy you clearly read your Bible upside down and lack the ability to understand the book and the context of events that spurned such passages. No wonder you need another human to interpret it for you. The passages you have been quoting provide no justification for refusing blood transfusion or any life saving treatment for that matter.

Abstain from blood is what the Bible says. Act 15:28-29

But then does it includes your own blood?

That's what we are talking about now!🙂