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Eldeedon:
What hasn't change? Have you been storing your blood and reusing it before??!!

Seriously I don't! Is it that you guys just don't want to see or what? Someone even just post your article from 2000 above and you are still saying this

jmichael259:
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Storage in blood bank and Transfusion still remains prohibited. So what changed?

Filtration, cell salvage and almost everything mentioned here is something that has always been based on personal decision.
As I said, this announcement sounds more like an elaboration of things already standing so that more people will become aware of their options. No shift in their transfusion policy. Not even an inch.

Eldeedon:
I rest my case

Eldeedon:
How did I condemn your religion?
What we are discussing here is about the update, so how is that condemnation?
I'm i the Governing body that that decides to change their doctrine?

Eldeedon:
My brother just let them be, e dey very obvious say people we are arguing with don't have brains..

I have never see were someone will just sitdown and be arguing blindly even when the evidence is before them!

Just because they want to please men!

Eldeedon:
I don't think you have even read or watched the announcement at all!

Omo I don tire for una oo!

Bellow is the message from your governing body themselves, now read and tell me how is it still prohibited?




For that reason, many Christians accept simple procedures, such as blood tests, as well as more complicated procedures involving their own blood, such as the use of heart-lung machines, cell-salvage devices, and kidney dialysis treatments. However, the list of treatment options continues to grow.



Therefore, after much prayer and consideration of the Scriptures, the Governing Body has decided to clarify our position on the use of a patient’s own blood in medical and surgical care. The clarification is this: Each Christian must decide for himself how his own blood will be used in all medical and surgical care. This includes whether to allow his own blood to be removed, stored, and then given back to him.



What does this mean? Some Christians may decide that they would allow their blood to be stored and then be given back to them. Others may object. Each Christian must make his personal decision on all matters involving the use of his own blood with regard to medical or surgical care.



In review, Christians are not under the Mosaic Law. However, we obey the apostolic command to abstain from blood. Furthermore, the Bible does not comment on the use of a person’s own blood in medical and surgical care. Therefore, like other choices about health care, each Christian must make his own decision about the use of his own blood in all medical and surgical care.

Eldeedon:
Therefore, after much prayer and consideration of the Scriptures, the Governing Body has decided to clarify our position on the use of a patient’s own blood in medical and surgical care. The clarification is this: Each Christian must decide for himself how his own blood will be used in all medical and surgical care. This includes whether to allow his own blood to be removed, stored, and then given back to him.

jmichael259:
Like I said, this announcement is a clarification and this is stated multiple times in the video. This might have been necessitated due to the increasing medical options that involves one's own blood or maybe some people were beginning to try to dictate for others what to do with their own blood.
As you can see among the screenshots from the video, as far back as TWENTY SIX YEARS AGO, the October 15 2000 Watchtower article already stated what was repeated, elaborated or clarified in this video. "Each person will decide what to do with their own blood" -this is not a new policy!
SO, PLEASE TELL ME. WHAT HAS CHANGED? Have they started accepting blood bank and blood donation?

Emusan:
Check the below October 15, 2000 Watchtower and see if there's any clarification or not.

As you can see, the October 15 responded to a reader's question which actually rejected someone STORING THEIR OWN BLOOD as it is against GOD'S LAW.

Now, answer this question.

Are you saying both Watchtower October 15 2000 and the recent announcement are saying the same thing?

jmichael259:
Like I said, this announcement is a clarification and this is stated multiple times in the video. This might have been necessitated due to the increasing medical options that involves one's own blood or maybe some people were beginning to try to dictate for others what to do with their own blood.
As you can see among the screenshots from the video, as far back as TWENTY SIX YEARS AGO, the October 15 2000 Watchtower article already stated what was repeated, elaborated or clarified in this video. "Each person will decide what to do with their own blood" -this is not a new policy!
SO, PLEASE TELL ME. WHAT HAS CHANGED? Have they started accepting blood bank and blood donation?

jmichael259:
With many of the therapy or surgical procedures may warrant blood leaving the body to be stored, filtered and reused within the Theatre.
The grey area in this part you keep pasting is the word storage possibly in blood banks for a longer term. That was not mentioned in this announcement. Inadvertently nothing has changed. Ultimately it's still a personal decision. So, no new policy here. End of quotes.

jmichael259:
Like I said, this announcement is a clarification and this is stated multiple times in the video. This might have been necessitated due to the increasing medical options that involves one's own blood or maybe some people were beginning to try to dictate for others what to do with their own blood.
As you can see among the screenshots from the video, as far back as TWENTY SIX YEARS AGO, the October 15 2000 Watchtower article already stated what was repeated, elaborated or clarified in this video. "Each person will decide what to do with their own blood" -this is not a new policy!
SO, PLEASE TELL ME. WHAT HAS CHANGED? Have they started accepting blood bank and blood donation?

jmichael259:
With many of the therapy or surgical procedures may warrant blood leaving the body to be stored, filtered and reused within the Theatre.
The grey area in this part you keep pasting is the word storage possibly in blood banks for a longer term. That was not mentioned in this announcement. Inadvertently nothing has changed. Ultimately it's still a personal decision. So, no new policy here. End of quotes.

Eldeedon:
This change!!!

jmichael259:
With many of the therapy or surgical procedures may warrant blood leaving the body to be stored, filtered and reused within the Theatre.
The grey area in this part you keep pasting is the word storage possibly in blood banks for a longer term. That was not mentioned in this announcement. Inadvertently nothing has changed. Ultimately it's still a personal decision. So, no new policy here. End of quotes.

Emusan:
You people are just too funny.

The October 15 2000 article clearly rejected ANYTHING STORAGE but the recent announcement now ACCEPTED STORAGE. 2000-2026 is about three whole decades. Were you thinking the people had been moribund since then? This topic has been handled severally within that period including mentions of the various procedures and therapy that involve blood may leave a patient's body, stored, filtered and be reinserted during the procedure.

You can keep twisting but one thing is sure, this announcement has even created more confusion than before. You're the only one confusing yourself.

Eldeedon:
Is that the only thing you saw there? What about the declaration?

Hence, we do not donate blood, nor do we store for transfusion our blood that should be 'poured out.' That practice conflicts with God's law."

Courz:
The Governing Body member in this update clearly spoke English but since they were banned from University education,..

jmichael259:
Who banned you from university education?

jmichael259:
What are you really dragging or you just get turned on at the mention of some certain religion?

jmichael259:
Did the video say otherwise? Have they started doing blood donation, soliciting blood banks or accepting blood transfusion?
What are you really dragging or you just get turned on at the mention of some certain religion?

chimex38:
They ve doctors and medical personnel amongst them. How do they treat other patients who require blood in their hospital?
Cuz I presume it may conflict with their medical oath.

I presume the safest thing is to refer such patients to another hospital?

Buh what if their hospital is the referred one?
As the CMD,
As the only Doctor on duty.
and As part of a team of Doctors.

Where do they draw the line without losing and compromising their faith?

jmichael259:
The question remains, what's the whole online fuss about? I mean this because I legit thought I missed something. Maybe they have started doing blood banking or accepting blood donations etc not nairaland loafers trying to argue semantics that weren't commentated upon.

MaxInDHouse:
If you can't prove anything other than arguing on what is written in books i think you and i aren't on the same page.

As one of Jehovah's Witnesses i can sit an atheist who doesn't believe in any God or books and convince him or her why i believe in the Bible God so i won't start quoting the book but reason logically with him.

See examples of what i'm saying:






































These people are from different schools of thought ranging from atheists to agnostics, traditionalists and Churchians.

So if all you can do is rely solely on what is written in that book without being able to reason logically to convince others why they should believe the Bible it's clear you and i aren't on the same page!🙂

Roycemadeit:
@MaxInDHouse grin.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't beg you to believe rather i want you to prove that you are wiser than a person having faith in God.
So leave whatever we have read in the books and let's use logic to prove who is wiser!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Faith fills the gaps where facts don’t exist.
You’re asking that I prove to be wiser, but wisdom doesn’t rely on belief. It relies on what can be proven. A wise person doesn’t need faith, they prefer evidence.
Reality doesn’t care what you believe. It just is.

MaxInDHouse:
Wisdom is defined as an element of personal character that enables one to distinguish the wise from the unwise.

So leave what i hold onto and present the benefits of your faithlessness and i will present the benefits of my faithfulness!🙂

Roycemadeit:
Who get that time?
Don’t come and act like you “convinced” someone who deals in facts. Some of us actually know the history behind these holy books, including the borrowings and edits that built them. You didn’t proof nothing but psychosis and brainwashing.

Roycemadeit:
Yes, you have silenced me, with facts, of course. You can define knowingness;

advanceDNA:
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Lol….: u have switch to insults... I ask again …where did this brain u are claiming you are using disappeared to when u were banning all from of transfusion years back including your own blood..??

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God is not an author of confusion baba…u are the ones confusing your self on your congregation and thats why yall are desperate to explain now