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Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one who has been running all over the place talking Off Point since in your desperation to find something to say.
And, yet, finding nothing you are still talking Off Point, and now trying to pin a fabricated issue on me as you are still forgetting that this is a thread, so everything is recorded, so no change of post for you.

So, i had checkmated you since i told you that you had nothing to valid to say and you have been changing post since only for you to still find that my knights and rook and bishop have you snipered dead. So keep moving you would still find that you still have no more moves to make and that this was over since since even before i told you that there is no valid argument against the Truth.

recycle that stale word inside the trash and give me a befitting comeback..which I doubt you would...I think this is the maximum your mental incapacity can offer so your head don't burst out of exertion...

If I may ask which fabricated issue did I pin on you?..loool

"And just to lightly respond to it, all men who are promiscuous are always shamed; all of them. That is why none of you would allow such a guy to even date, (not to talk of marry) your sister/cousin exactly how you guys don't want to date or marry OS."

So this is the wannabe rebuttal👆 that I highlighted above is what you have been chanting like achoir singing out of ryhthm? cheesy

Look at your concocted quote and point out your flaws...i have been trying to neglect this hogwash masking as wisdom as to not shame u..but I will do anyways
1.Show me considerable reasonable data and statistics to prove that all men are shamed for being promiscous?
2.where are the questions and answers you presented during your survey to validate the submission of all men being shamed?
3.what made you come into the conclusion that casanova don't get married and olosho don't get married present facts?
4..give me hypothesis and analysis that makes you come into the conclusion that men are shamed as the same weight as women on matters of sexual promiscuity?
5.how did you arrive at the conclusion that me and every 8billion individuals in the world hold the same flawed perception as yours that casanovas and olosho are denied at tge dating pool?...give me facts, proof and evidence am waiting.

Pv..your previous thread didn't give backing to your premise you were threading off course at the wrong route....that's not a thread of men shaming men but a thread of a man saving his sister from being ridiculed from his inner circle casanova friends...am waiting for your replies

Umbrateeth04:
If I may ask which fabricated issue did I pin on you?..loool

"And just to lightly respond to it, all men who are promiscuous are always shamed; all of them. That is why none of you would allow such a guy to even date, (not to talk of marry) your sister/cousin exactly how you guys don't want to date or marry OS."

So this is the wannabe rebuttal👆 that I highlighted above is what you have been chanting like achoir singing out of ryhthm? cheesy

[b]Look at your concocted quote and point out your flaws...i have been trying to neglect this hogwash masking as wisdom as to not shame u..but I will do anyways
1.Show me considerable reasonable data and statistics to prove that all men are shamed for being promiscous?
2.where are the questions and answers you presented during your survey to validate the submission of all men being shamed?
3.what made you come into the conclusion that casanova don't get married and olosho don't get married present facts?
4..give me hypothesis and analysis that makes you come into the conclusion that men are shamed as the same weight as women on matters of sexual promiscuity?
5.how did you arrive at the conclusion that me and every 8billion individuals in the world hold the same flawed perception as yours that casanovas and olosho are denied at tge dating pool?...give me facts, proof and evidence am waiting.

Pv..your previous thread didn't give backing to your premise you were threading off course at the wrong route....that's not a thread of men shaming men but a thread of a man saving his sister from being ridiculed from his inner circle casanova friends...am waiting for your replies[/b]

You are the one repeating yourself and circling about in desperation in your bid to come out from checkmate you have found yourself stuck in to the point that you are now pretending amnesia and lying as if you no longer remember the issue And it is too clear that i have blown the mother board of your braein away that your memories are lost.

For if you had a memory you would have known that the bold was Off Point which I pointed out back there.

But your great desperation arising from your loss is deceiving you into thinking that you can move your king to the next box . But, it's a checkmate. So you have no valid movement to make no matter how hard you try
And even if you have a million thousand years, this checkmate aint changing to check. That is what checkmate means

Roycemadeit:
Frankly, I don't know why it's pretty difficult to comprehend my argument. I'll try to augment it for better clarity.


You all keep calling everything “nature” as if that automatically makes it right. It doesn’t.

A lion doesn’t justify its actions, it acts on instinct.

Humans do something different, we build systems, assign roles, and then try to defend them. That’s not nature, that’s choice layered over biology. The moment you start talking about “purpose” and “validation,” you’ve already left the animal kingdom.

The analogy fails because women are not antelopes.

Antelopes don’t organize, challenge systems, or rewrite structures. Humans do. Women have resisted, shaped societies, and changed laws repeatedly. Ignoring that doesn’t make your argument stronger, it just makes it selective.

And this idea that “whatever lasts long is natural and therefore justified” collapses under its own weight. As I wrote earlier, by that logic, every injustice becomes truth simply because it endured.

You may not be reasoning here but accepting power without questioning it.

you are all over the place quite unfixed and unsettled...I get you quite alright but you are not put together to solve the puzzles.

Nature is indifferent..Nature doesn’t assign blame, fairness, or moral meaning...Nature doesn’t “care” whether this is cruel—it only works.In nature, existence itself dictates behavior, not intention.

Same way patriarchy doesn't justify its action it acts on instinct

Now you are diving into philosophy and sociology,,even most branch of philosophy and sociology uphold a different worldview ftom yours...Nature operates by its own laws
Suffering is part of the structure of existence
Wisdom is learning to accept what you cannot control...Nature is not moral or immoral—it’s beyond good and evil
The lion killing the antelope is not “wrong”—it just is
From this view:
Your discomfort comes from human values, not from nature itself...in sociology this is how nature operates...purpose and validation is still within the framework of the animal kingdom
Traits emerge because they increase reproductive success, not because they are “fair” or “good.”
The lion’s hunting and the antelope’s fleeing are co-evolutionary arms races.
If antelopes didn’t run → population collapse and starvation.
If lions couldn’t catch prey → predators die, ecosystem destabilizes.
Predation, escape, fear, and death all maintain ecological balance.

The analogy is valid women are not antelope in the sense but symbolises an antelope persona.

What is the antelope persona...Instinct-driven
Its primary motivation: survival
Reacts immediately to danger → flight, alertness, vigilance
Doesn’t reflect philosophically or morally; it lives in the present
2. Cautious and alert
Highly aware of surroundings
Sensitive to sounds, scents, and movement
Hesitant to take risks → constantly scanning for predators
3. Social and cooperative
Often part of a herd → safety in numbers
Relies on group dynamics to detect danger
Shows a kind of collective intelligence, even without conscious planning
4. Vulnerable yet resilient
Physically weaker than predators → vulnerable
Mentally and physically adapted to outwit danger
Life is a continuous struggle, but it’s built to endure
5. Symbolic persona
If the antelope were a literary or philosophical character, it would represent:
Innocence and vulnerability
Persistence and resilience
The tension between fear and courage
A living symbol of the struggle inherent in life

when have women challenged system and it became effective or rewriting structures without the permission of patriarchy?..you are very funny

I still repeat that whatever lasts long is natural and therefore justified” as I typed earlier injustice if done for a good cause is clearly justified...example slave trade(nature's long lived permanent mark that left a good impact)...From an egalitarian lens → it feels harsh, unfair.
From nature’s lens → it’s just how life maintains itself...like a snake shedding it skin and springing up a new

I disagree with you...there is an addage that goes like this if you can't beat them then you join them...if you can't suppress nature then you adapt with nature...like I typed earlier wisdom is learning to accept what you cannot control

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one repeating yourself and circling about in desperation in your bid to come out from checkmate you have found yourself stuck in to the point that you are now pretending amnesia and lying as if you no longer remember the issue And it is too clear that i have blown the mother board of your braein away that your memories are lost.

For if you had a memory you would have known that the bold was Off Point which I pointed out back there.

But your great desperation arising from your loss is deceiving you into thinking that you can move your king to the next box . But, it's a checkmate. So you have no valid movement to make no matter how hard you try
And even if you have a million thousand years, this checkmate aint changing to check. That is what checkmate means

hahahaha...don't count yourself among those who can play chess...your frontal lobe and brain assimilation coupled with comprehension is too underdeveloped to venture into chess..dialoguing with your emptiness is like playing checkers...you are just a one way dimensional dűňćé😂

am well equipped to handle your type..you speak the language of dogma and illogic.so you don't deserve to engage in any rational intelligent discussion..your limited cognitive capacity cannot entertain such highly calibrated discussions...so I will choose to engage you in your level of vacuity, asininity and stupidity...I will grab, hold, choke and press your fa...ce into the shit you spewed on the chessboard until you pass out from your horrid stench You have been spectacularly vanquished on this thread and what you have been typing is the lost noises from your confused ghost hanging in the orbit of nairaland but you're utterly shameless to see it.

We have dignified your pitiable existence with a back and forth for some days now and your sad life is becoming bright as Christmas tree having people pay you little attention.

Pv..I asked you question but yet again your empty brain failed you again😆

Mutant001:
hahahaha...don't count yourself among those who can play chess...your frontal lobe and brain assimilation coupled with comprehension is too underdeveloped to venture into chess..dialoguing with your emptiness is like playing checkers...you are just a one way dimensional dűňćé😂

am well equipped to handle your type..you speak the language of dogma and illogic.so you don't deserve to engage in any rational intelligent discussion..your limited cognitive capacity cannot entertain such highly calibrated discussions...so I will choose to engage you in your level of vacuity, asininity and stupidity...I will grab, hold, choke and press your fa...ce into the shit you spewed on the chessboard until you pass out from your horrid stench You have been spectacularly vanquished on this thread and what you have been typing is the lost noises from your confused ghost hanging in the orbit of nairaland but you're utterly shameless to see it.

We have dignified your pitiable existence with a back and forth for some days now and your sad life is becoming bright as Christmas tree having people pay you little attention.

Pv..I asked you question but yet again your empty brain failed you again😆

Now the insalts are flowing.😁😁😁

He who tries to establish his argument by insalts noise and commands shows that his reason is weak and baseles! Michel de Montaigne. So keep wailing gee, there is no move after a checkmate, even if you ask a question.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Umbrateeth04:
you are all over the place quite unfixed and unsettled...I get you quite alright but you are not put together to solve the puzzles.

Nature is indifferent..Nature doesn’t assign blame, fairness, or moral meaning...Nature doesn’t “care” whether this is cruel—it only works.In nature, existence itself dictates behavior, not intention.

Same way patriarchy doesn't justify its action it acts on instinct

Now you are diving into philosophy and sociology,,even most branch of philosophy and sociology uphold a different worldview ftom yours...Nature operates by its own laws
Suffering is part of the structure of existence
Wisdom is learning to accept what you cannot control...Nature is not moral or immoral—it’s beyond good and evil
The lion killing the antelope is not “wrong”—it just is
From this view:
Your discomfort comes from human values, not from nature itself...in sociology this is how nature operates...purpose and validation is still within the framework of the animal kingdom
Traits emerge because they increase reproductive success, not because they are “fair” or “good.”
The lion’s hunting and the antelope’s fleeing are co-evolutionary arms races.
If antelopes didn’t run → population collapse and starvation.
If lions couldn’t catch prey → predators die, ecosystem destabilizes.
Predation, escape, fear, and death all maintain ecological balance.

The analogy is valid women are not antelope in the sense but symbolises an antelope persona.

What is the antelope persona...Instinct-driven
Its primary motivation: survival
Reacts immediately to danger → flight, alertness, vigilance
Doesn’t reflect philosophically or morally; it lives in the present
2. Cautious and alert
Highly aware of surroundings
Sensitive to sounds, scents, and movement
Hesitant to take risks → constantly scanning for predators
3. Social and cooperative
Often part of a herd → safety in numbers
Relies on group dynamics to detect danger
Shows a kind of collective intelligence, even without conscious planning
4. Vulnerable yet resilient
Physically weaker than predators → vulnerable
Mentally and physically adapted to outwit danger
Life is a continuous struggle, but it’s built to endure
5. Symbolic persona
If the antelope were a literary or philosophical character, it would represent:
Innocence and vulnerability
Persistence and resilience
The tension between fear and courage
A living symbol of the struggle inherent in life

when have women challenged system and it became effective or rewriting structures without the permission of patriarchy?..you are very funny

I still repeat that whatever lasts long is natural and therefore justified” as I typed earlier injustice if done for a good cause is clearly justified...example slave trade(nature's long lived permanent mark that left a good impact)...From an egalitarian lens → it feels harsh, unfair.
From nature’s lens → it’s just how life maintains itself...like a snake shedding it skin and springing up a new

I disagree with you...there is an addage that goes like this if you can't beat them then you join them...if you can't suppress nature then you adapt with nature...like I typed earlier wisdom is learning to accept what you cannot control

Nature being indifferent means it doesn’t justify anything. It doesn’t approve patriarchy, slavery, or dominance. It simply allows whatever can happen to happen. The moment you start saying something is “justified” because it exists, you’ve added human judgment back into a system you claim has none.

You’re mixing two different things. In nature, lions and antelopes don’t build systems, write rules, or enforce hierarchies beyond survival. Humans do.

Patriarchy is not instinct like hunger, it’s a structured system maintained by culture, belief, and enforcement. Calling that “instinct” is just removing responsibility from it.

Umbrateeth04

You say women haven’t challenged systems effectively, but history says otherwise.

Rights, laws, education, participation, none of that appeared because patriarchy “allowed” it.





It happened because pressure made the system adjust.
You’re not describing nature. You’re describing power, then calling it inevitable so it doesn’t have to be questioned.

And that last part about “if you can’t beat them, join them” isn’t wisdom. It’s adaptation, yes, but also resignation. Humans don’t just adapt, they also change what they inherit.

Roycemadeit:
Nature being indifferent means it doesn’t justify anything. It doesn’t approve patriarchy, slavery, or dominance. It simply allows whatever can happen to happen. The moment you start saying something is “justified” because it exists, you’ve added human judgment back into a system you claim has none.

You’re mixing two different things. In nature, lions and antelopes don’t build systems, write rules, or enforce hierarchies beyond survival. Humans do.

Patriarchy is not instinct like hunger, it’s a structured system maintained by culture, belief, and enforcement. Calling that “instinct” is just removing responsibility from it.

funny how you keep shooting yourself on the foot after I told you earlier in my previous quotes that Nature is indifferent..Nature doesn’t assign blame, fairness, or moral meaning...Nature doesn’t “care” whether this is cruel..nature is what it is...for everything that exist is justified...cos if it wasn't justified it wouldn't be in existence after all...Yes—nature is “justified” in the sense that the system works.
Predation sustains ecosystems
Fear and pain increase survival chances
The balance prevents collapse
From this angle, the lion–antelope dynamic is:
harsh
but structurally necessary

.In the wild, a lion isn’t making a moral choice—it operates by instinct and biological necessity. Predation is part of the ecological balance. The relationship between lion and antelope is shaped by evolution, not ethics.
Humans, however, tend to project moral reasoning onto nature. We ask: “Is this fair? Could it be different?” That question comes from our ability to imagine alternatives—not from how ecosystems actually function..like I said their circle of life is their system..the reason humans build systems, write rules and enforce hierarchies...is to create law and order that is identical to the laws of nature..

Patriarchy is definitely instinct like hunger..I agree its a structured system maintained by culture, belief and enforcement through biological, technological and personal evolution...actually in the real sense means nature's permit...you are responsible for whatever instinct you actualize...for example it is the responsibility of a lion to hunt for an antelope

Roycemadeit:
Umbrateeth04

You say women haven’t challenged systems effectively, but history says otherwise.

Rights, laws, education, participation, none of that appeared because patriarchy “allowed” it.

Two examples: <sub>Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti
She led protests against colonial taxation and fought for women’s rights and helped women in gaining political recognition. She even made a king abdicate his throne

Rosa Parks protested and refused to give up her seat to a white man. Thus, helped ignite the wider Civil Rights Movement. And it lead to enforcement of Civil Rights Laws.</sub>

It happened because pressure made the system adjust.
You’re not describing nature. You’re describing power, then calling it inevitable so it doesn’t have to be questioned.

And that last part about “if you can’t beat them, join them” isn’t wisdom. It’s adaptation, yes, but also resignation. Humans don’t just adapt, they also change what they inherit.

a woman challenging a system is like an antelope escaping a predator...not all hunts are successful on the predators side...but the antelope was smart enough to outrun the lion...but yet again that wouldn't make the lion become less of a lion or the prey become less of a prey..

You forgotten that there are patriarchs who are still pro feminist...you are living in self denial and deceit... i still iterate Rights, laws, education, participation, all of that appeared because patriarchy “allowed” permitted and approved of it

If Funmilayo Ransome was so strong to make a king abdicate his throne then nigeria ought to have been running a matriarchal system not a patriarchal one...you sound delu..sional

In the case of Rosa Parks it's different...Rosa parks was not agitating for equality but a system whereby the women will feel safe and comfortable in a patriarchal world...know the difference

It happened cos some pro feminist patriarchs heard their voices and decided to put pressure on their fellow patriarchs to adjust the system not for equality but to ease the pain...get it straight don't get it twisted

Power is part of nature..cos the lion has to embody power to be qualified to be a predator...power is inevitable cos it is power that rule the world...there are things in nature that are very mysterious for human to comprehend and question...do you questions nature's natural disaster on how it had one in a lifetime destroyed human homes property and wildlife? ...that is the same way you can't question patriarchy...it is what it is