₦airaland Forum

mikeapollo:
I have explained the alibi behind the name ''West Bank''. Go back and read it if you want to learn.
I know you would be happy indeed if someone decides to call Onitsha by a new name of ''East Bank''(of river Niger) and decides to remove all the history, antecedents, archaeology, artefacts, landmarks, records and trace of Igbo people's culture from that place so that another tribe can take it and appropriate it as theirs.
You ask yourself if there are no local, traditional name for the town and places there in different from the new English name of ''East Bank''

No, sir, you are wrong. The occupied West Bank was captured; it was formerly Palestinian territory.

ositadima1:
Again, I am asking you one more time: has any country in the Middle East had such a charter, yes or no? Please stop these circular arguments.

My reference was to the Charter of Hamas, Hezbollah and Ayatollah regime, which you said did not exist.
If you now accept and acknowledge that truly these Charter exists for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah regime, then we can talk about any Charter by ''Countries''.

ositadima1:
So, you agree that no country has such a charter, yes or no? No need to try to rationalize.

someone mentioned organizations, you chose to counter him by mentioning country. This is only cos you have no valid counter argument, but yet find it hard to submit to a superior argument.

There is something I have observed about this Cardoso era which is strange to me.

In the past, naira and foreign exchange reserves improved with increase in crude oil prices (and logically so) but in Cardoso’s era, naira and FX reserves both struggle with increase in crude oil prices and world instability but starts improving again when the escalation is down.

mikeapollo:
My reference was to the Charter of Hamas, Hezbollah and Ayatollah regime, which you said did not exist.
If you now accept and acknowledge that truly these Charter exists for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Ayatollah regime, then we can talk about any Charter by ''Countries''.

Lol, circular reasoning again. Anyway, what has been said so far is clear.

ositadima1:
No, sir, you are wrong. The occupied West Bank was captured; it was formerly Palestinian territory.

Jerusalem, Shiloh, Hebron, Bethel, Beersheba, Jericho, Bethlehem, Samaria .....captured by who from who? Who originally owns these places?

These are the towns and cities lumped together in the so called ''West Bank'' if you don't know.

ositadima1:
My friend, the Palestinians have a right to the land they have lived on for more than 1,000 years. I am sure you wouldn’t fold your arms and watch someone else take your property, even if you had ten times that. In their case, they don’t.

What's your proof that the palestinians have lived on the land for more than 1000 years whereas the Israelis have not, cos you're insinutaing the israelis have not right to the land.

after you watch small Aljazeera, why not try balancing your biased knowledge with other historical facts and archaeological records?

EDUECO:
This is to the America disciples or lovers:

1. Have you ever heard that China invaded in country?

2.Have you ever heard that a Nigerian defrauded a Chinese citizen or a Chinese company?

China is greater than the USA.

The USA is a dying empire.

Trump visa restrictions na your .ate

mikeapollo:
Jerusalem, Shiloh, Hebron, Bethel, Beersheba, Jericho, Bethlehem, Samaria .....captured by who from who? Who originally owns these places?

These are the towns and cities lumped together in the so called ''West Bank'' if you don't know.

Who originally owned them?

ositadima1:
Lol, circular reasoning again. Anyway, what has been said so far is clear.

You cant twist and divert the subject and be asking me what was not the bone of contention.

awesomeJ:
What's your proof that the palestinians have lived on the land for more than 1000 years whereas the Israelis have not, cos you're insinutaing the israelis have not right to the land.

after you watch small Aljazeera, why not try balancing your biased knowledge with other historical facts and archaeological records?

Okay, maybe you were not following, I stated it here.

ositadima1:
Let me tell you what happened, I hope you learn something today.

1. The Great Revolt (66–73 CE)

Cause: Rebellion against Roman taxation and religious interference.

Key Event: The Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE), led by the future Emperor Titus.

Outcome: Destruction of the Second Temple; thousands were killed or enslaved.

Legacy: Initiated the first major wave of the Jewish diaspora.

2. The Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–136 CE)

Leader: Simon bar Kokhba, who briefly established an independent state. (Not Ireal to be clear)

Roman Response: Emperor Hadrian launched a campaign of total suppression.

Casualties: Approximately 580,000 Jews were killed, and about 1,000 villages were destroyed.

Rebranding: Hadrian renamed the province Syria Palaestina (after the Philistines) and banned Jews from Jerusalem to sever their connection to the land.

Since then, they dispersed and integrated across different parts of the world. Don’t be surprised that some of them are in places like Iran.

Egypt, however, was never similarly dispersed; it has consistently been the land of the Egyptians, with a history going back more than 6,000 years.

ositadima1:
Who originally owned them?

Israel owned them, before they were driven to exile by the Romans.
If any group of people owned them before the Israelites were driven out by the Romans, let them mention their names and come forward.

mikeapollo:
You cant twist and divert the subject and be asking me what was not the bone of contention.

I have answered you: Hezbollah and Hamas exist because Israel created the conditions for them when it encroached. These two groups did not exist before, so they can say anything because they are at war. Trump said his own as well.

ositadima1:
Again, I am asking you one more time: has any country in the Middle East had such a charter, yes or no? Please stop these circular arguments.

is israel attacking any other country in the middle east?

Does the regime which Israel attacks have such charter?

Where is the circular argument? You arguments really have no substance here.

mikeapollo:
Israel owned them, before they were driven to exile by the Romans.
If any group of people owned them before the Israelites were driven out by the Romans, let them mention their names and come forward.

Israel did not found those cities; they existed before Jews and Israelites came into the picture. Please read your Bible carefully. So, by your reasoning, it belongs to the people who were there before the Israelites.

GeneralDae:
There is something I have observed about this Cardoso era which is strange to me.

In the past, naira and foreign exchange reserves improved with increase in crude oil prices (and logically so) but in Cardoso’s era, naira and FX reserves both struggle with increase in crude oil prices and world instability but starts improving again when the escalation is down.

There’s increasing non oil FX revenues changing how reserves build up. And oil production is not as high as it used to be, while population has grown with corresponding growth in imports requiring forex despite increasing poverty measured by per capita income.

ositadima1:
I have answered you: Hezbollah and Hamas exist because Israel created the conditions for them when it encroached. These two groups did not exist before, so they can say anything because they are at war. Trump said his own as well.

So shallow argument.
You are comparing two groups who have permanent Charter that say something that is officially written in the highest policy document of the organizations since their formation in 1985-1988 (signed and sealed), with the verbal, personal statements of a president who is in office for only 4 years.

awesomeJ:
is israel attacking any other country in the middle east?

Does the regime which Israel attacks have such charter?

Where is the circular argument? You arguments really have no substance here.

You want me to repeat again, I am tired oo.

After the World War, the U.S. and Britain supported the creation of Israel in the Middle East after Jews suffered at the hands of the Germans, you know, the Holocaust. Israel did not waste time before expanding into land that was not originally apportioned to it, where Palestinians were already living.

This caused conflicts that led to war, in which Israel, with the help of the U.S. and Britain, captured even more land. Ever since then, there has been no peace because Palestinians cannot let go, and Israel has refused to let go.

From this, Hezbollah and Hamas emerged. Is this clear?

ositadima1:
Who made the charter, and which country? Does the UN recognize Hamas as a country?

These groups came into existence because of Israel injustice, not before. There was no Hezbollah or Hamas before 1948. I don’t know how many times I have to repeat the same thing, people can say whatever they want under pressure, just like Trump’s message a few nights ago.

you're only making repetitions cos you have a confused position.

If someone mentions that an organization has a charter, you simply deny that they do not, or find a way to make the fact immaterial, not bringing lame counter argumaents like, but no country has the charter. You should agree that you can really do better.

ositadima1:
Israel did not found those cities; they existed before Jews and Israelites came into the picture. Please read your Bible carefully. So, by your reasoning, it belongs to the people who were there before the Israelites.

The people who were there before the Israelites can mention their names and come forward to retrieve their land.
You can also help us to call their name so that we can search for them and tell them to go back to their land. Simple. Please do.

feelamong:
The thread has been totally derailed today

Let me go back to my farm....

Pluck 2 mangoes for me Abeg

mikeapollo:
So shallow argument.
You are comparing two groups who have permanent Charter that say something that is officially written in the highest policy document of the organizations since their formation in 1985-1988 (signed and sealed), with the verbal, personal statements of a president that is in office for only 4 years.

The Ayatollah never made any charter or official statements toward Israel as a president. Hezbollah and Hamas are there to free their people and land.

You guys just amuse me. You think if we excavate Onitsha back 3,000 years, you think its people that look and talk like the current occupants that used to live there? How do you think Onitsha people will feel if some people arrived claiming their ancestors once lived in Onitsha millenials back and hence they have the right to the land?

mikeapollo:
I have explained the alibi behind the name ''West Bank''. Go back and read it if you want to learn.
I know you would be happy indeed if someone decides to call Onitsha by a new name of ''East Bank''(of river Niger) and decides to remove all the history, antecedents, archaeology, artefacts, landmarks, records and trace of Igbo people's culture from that place so that another tribe can take it and appropriate it as theirs.
You ask yourself if there are no local, traditional name for the town and places there in different from the new English name of ''East Bank''

mikeapollo:
The people who were there before the Israelites can mention their names and come forward to retrieve their land.
You can also help us to call their name so that we can search for them and tell them to go back to their land. Simple. Please do.

So, you agree that they were not the first people in those cities? If so, your argument of ownership falls to pieces. Study and find out for yourself; if you can’t, ask me respectfully.

ositadima1:
The Ayatollah never made any charter or official statements toward Israel as a president. Hezbollah and Hamas are there to free their people and land.

Please go and read, research and stop making ignorant comments on what you don't understand.

mikeapollo:
Please go and read, research and stop making ignorant comments on what you don't understand.

Lol, you keep dragging this. Did Israel encroach or not? That will be your answer to all the Hezbollah and Hamas issues over the years.

ositadima1:
So, you agree that they were not the first people in those cities? If so, your argument of ownership falls to pieces. Study and find out for yourself; if you can’t, ask me respectfully.

You see how empty your arguments are? The contest for the land is between Israel and some Arabs (now called Palestinians).
On land matters, he who gets to the land first or earlier, seeks and achieves predominance over the land.
So between the Israelis and Palestinians, it is clear the ancestors of Israel got to the land long before the Palestinians! That is the truth you are struggling to acknowledge.
Such a shame, a fine intellectual choosing to be intellectually dishonest

mikeapollo:
You see how empty your arguments are? The contest for the land is between Israel and some Arabs (now called Palestinians).
On land matters, he who gets to the land first or earlier, seeks and achieves predominance over the land.
So between the Israelis and Palestinians, it is clear the ancestors of Israel got to the land long before the Palestinians! That is the truth you are struggling to acknowledge.
Such a shame, a fine intellectual choosing to be intellectually dishonest

Let’s summarize the points so far:

a. Israel claims that the land is theirs because Israelites once lived there.
b. The problem is that, for some reason, they migrated, and Palestinians expanded across the region. Keep in mind that Palestinians also lived there while Israelites were present.
c. With support from Western allies, they took those lands by force.
d. This logic is challenged when you consider that even the Bible indicates those cities existed before the Israelites captured them.
e. Palestinians and parts of Lebanon, whose lands and people were affected, formed groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas as guerrilla forces to try to compel Israel to relinquish captured lands.
f. Iran supports these groups, as they need resources to fight.
g. Israel is also said to have a broader vision, sometimes referred to as “Greater Israel,” aimed at expanding influence in the Middle East.
h. As a result, the conflict continues.

Oasisblue:
You guys just amuse me. You think if we excavate Onitsha back 3,000 years, you think its people that look and talk like the current occupants that used to live there? How do you think Onitsha people will feel if some people arrived claiming their ancestors once lived in Onitsha millenials back and hence they have the right to the land?

For a place where everything in their history is well documented?
Where there are generations of people as witnesses on both sides? Their landmarks, their language, their religion etc.
Once these are proven, there would be no problem, unless one side wants to tell lies or steal.

Similar thing happens in Africa too.
We all have family land in our villages. Some of these land came through our ancestors thousands of years ago, and we still claim them today, even if new developments have cropped up in the area. Omo onile in Lagos is typical example

Can we please take this Trump- Iran discussions to another forum? this forum is for NGX abeg.

ositadima1:
Let’s summarize the points so far:

a. Israel claims that the land is theirs because Israelites once lived there.
b. The problem is that, for some reason, they migrated, and Palestinians expanded across the region. Keep in mind that Palestinians also lived there while Israelites were present.
c. With support from Western allies, they took those lands by force.
d. This logic is challenged when you consider that even the Bible indicates those cities existed before the Israelites captured them.
e. Palestinians and parts of Lebanon, whose lands and people were affected, formed groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas as guerrilla forces to try to compel Israel to relinquish captured lands.
f. Iran supports these groups, as they need resources to fight.
g. Israel is also said to have a broader vision, sometimes referred to as “Greater Israel,” aimed at expanding influence in the Middle East.
h. As a result, the conflict continues.

You claimed in your earlier post that the land of Israel was renamed ''Syria-Palestina''. And now, you want to use the new name ''Palestina'' to drag with the original name ''Israel''?

Hezbollah, Hamas, Ayatollah have faith-based belief system that mandates them to fight and destroy Israel, and never to recognize Israel's existence as a State. The existence of Israel is a taboo to them! Please read it up to understand.
Al-Jazeera would turn you to an intellectually dishonest person in this matter because they start everything from 1948 and always out of context.
Jews were always on their land even after the Romans conquered them, but they were too few and too weak to fight, so they managed whatever they could get when they were short-changed by the Arabs.
Their sojourn in Europe has turned out to be some blessing in disguise, because that is what gave them the knowledge, skills, experience, focus and determination to be able to survive the onslaught of the Arabs and win them in brutal wars.

Can we stop turning this place into a wold political debate forum and focus on why we are here? This is becoming too much