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Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Layi4real(m): 5:21pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
Religion is divisive and a problem to Nigeria. Religion is not perfect, it was created by men for their selfish narcissistic and political ideals.
wrong notion. Religion is perfect it the human practicing it that aren't. if u practice it the way it's meant Nd design then we won't be where we are today. too much of freedom is killing us. Even the Artemis 2 astronaut confirmed that that human need Jesus. if religion is a scam he wouldn't have said dat
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by dederocs(m): 5:22pm On Apr 12
Layi4real:
wrong notion. Religion is perfect it the human practicing it that aren't. if u practice it the way it's meant Nd design then we won't be where we are today. too much of freedom is killing us. Even the Artemis 2 astronaut confirmed that that human need Jesus. if religion is a scam he wouldn't have said dat
That is what you are told, but if you have brains and look around, you will see how religion has divided and destroyed Nigeria. Am not against religion, but am telling you that spirituality is the way to world peace and progress not religion. Religion is about competition and divides the people.
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Layi4real(m): 5:38pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
That is what you are told, but if you have brains and look around, you will see how religion has divided and destroyed Nigeria. Am not against religion, but am telling you that spirituality is the way to world peace and progress not religion. Religion is about competition and divides the people.
u are partly true but spirituality is part of religion.
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by dederocs(m): 5:39pm On Apr 12
Layi4real:
u are partly true but spirituality is part of religion.
No. People use religion to get to spirituality... spirituality is the divine, religion is a means created by men to the divine through rituals etc...
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by mirrael68(m): 5:45pm On Apr 12
Mattswaggz:
Stop attaching God to religion which is a"creation and workings of men".....God didn't create any religion and yes men needs divine help to achieve all this sometimes that's why my reply clearly stated "religion" as the tool used to cast division amongst us......that division was used to start and justify different wars and weekedness.
So what is a religion?
Is Christianity a religion?
Do you have a religion?
Of all said in the write up all you saw to criticize is a word!
And the writer was correct 💯
It's the mixing of our cultures which are mostly anti Christian that has watered down our power as Christians and kept most of us powerless and effective to drive away darkness.
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by mirrael68(m): 5:46pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
That is what you are told, but if you have brains and look around, you will see how religion has divided and destroyed Nigeria. Am not against religion, but am telling you that spirituality is the way to world peace and progress not religion. Religion is about competition and divides the people.
You are just doing a word play. And I can tell you have no personal relationship with Jesus.
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Mattswaggz: 5:53pm On Apr 12
mirrael68:
So what is a religion?
Is Christianity a religion?
Do you have a religion?
Of all said in the write up all you saw to criticize is a word!
And the writer was correct 💯
It's the mixing of our cultures which are mostly anti Christian that has watered down our power as Christians and kept most of us powerless and effective to drive away darkness.
Was there ever any power?....you can tell yourself anything that'll make you sleep better at night though. cheesy .
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Layi4real(m): 5:53pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
No. People use religion to get to spirituality... spirituality is the divine, religion is a means created by men to the divine through rituals etc...
Not all religions are man made. islam teaches that Quran is revealed by God Nd not manmade while Christianity teaches that bible contained devine revelation. Religion provides structured guidance, while spirituality is the personal experience of the divine. The real issue is not religion itself, but how people interpret it and practice it
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by dederocs(m): 5:53pm On Apr 12
mirrael68:
You are just doing a word play. And I can tell you have no personal relationship with Jesus.
See where the division is...so those that have no personal relationship are condemned right?

Jesus message was not about this. You people get it wrong.
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by dederocs(m): 5:55pm On Apr 12
Layi4real:
Not all religions are man made. islam teaches that Quran is revealed by God Nd not manmade while Christianity teaches that bible contained devine revelation. Religion provides structured guidance, while spirituality is the personal experience of the divine. The real issue is not religion itself, but how people interpret it and practice it
That's what they want you to believe grin
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Layi4real(m): 6:01pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
That's what they want you to believe grin
That is what it is.
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by lawani(m): 6:09pm On Apr 12
Layi4real:
u are not well learned. Isese do not own Yorubaland. The Yoruba own Yorubaland. Tell me who are the isese sef what is there religion? they are bunch of idol worshippers. The only isese religion is Islam bcus that is the religion the first man worship i.e believing in oneness of God the creator of heaven and earth without associating partner with God. it's after that some people are attaching objects and humans to God
Which of the five pillars of Islam did the so called Adam believe in?
Can you really call someone like the so called Adam a Muslim given that he never tried to convert anybody, never fought jihad and never collected jizyah from anybody? How can a peaceful person under God be called a Muslim? A man who respected other humans regardless of their spiritual beliefs? That is not a Muslim
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Humanity442: 6:09pm On Apr 12
obonujoker:
It is advisable to be careful when it comes to music...

To be frank, most of all these worldly events are arrows of Satan to distract us from our main purpose, which is God .....
Sir, I don't think you have yet answered the question. What do you think of secular (not wordly) music like African Queen by 2Face. They don't necessarily preach "soul salvation", but they can reflect love, politics, games and the likes. Is it evil to engage in such?
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by erniok(m): 6:18pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
Christianimos and Christianity are two different words. Christianity is the religion created by Constantinople, it is two different words. You lack comprehension. Someone can call himself a Christ follower, that doesn't mean he has created a religion, a religion is generally acceptable to the state, and the people. Those early christ followers are completely different from you Christians of today, lol. It's more about results, prosperity now, not about the faith. There was no organised Christian following during the Apostles times, they only fellowship together, it was pure spirituality then not religiosity like now. Of course we all know about the Antioch event and Christ followers, but it wasn't a religion then.
You are the ignorant one trying to sound smart. Even with with AI saying what Christianismos means, you still had to twist it to suit your view. So help define Christianismos.

Religion does not mean the state accepts it. Where do you even get this kind of mentality from. Muslims in China, for example, are being persecuted by the state and disliked by some Chinese. How does this fit in your universal definition of religion.

Christianity was organised. Thee ŵere elders and deacons in the Church then. This speaks of organisation. Even Paul in his letter to the church at corinth talked about order/organisation in the house of God. Read to broaden your view because it is too shallow

For you to think Constantine scratched his head and coined the term Christianity shows how deep seated your ignorance is.
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Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Layi4real(m): 6:35pm On Apr 12
lawani:
Which of the five pillars of Islam did the so called Adam believe in?
Can you really call someone like the so called Adam a Muslim given that he never tried to convert anybody, never fought jihad and never collected jizyah from anybody? How can a peaceful person under God be called a Muslim? A man who respected other humans regardless of their spiritual beliefs? That is not a Muslim
Adam believe in first pillar of islam. what is islam? Submission (surrender) to the will of God (Allah).
who is a Muslim? One who submits to the will of Allah.
Adam was the first human and first prophet
He believed in one God (Allah) Nd Obeyed Allah’s commands then Repented when he made a mistake. that makes him a Muslim.
Muhammad is the final prophet (Seal of the Prophets) the one who brought the final and complete message (the Qur'an)
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by dederocs(m): 6:45pm On Apr 12
erniok:
You are the ignorant one trying to sound smart. Even with with AI saying what Christianismos means, you still had to twist it to suit your view. So help define Christianismos.

Religion does not mean the state accepts it. Where do you even get this kind of mentality from. Muslims in China, for example, are being persecuted by the state and disliked by some Chinese. How does this fit in your universal definition of religion.

Christianity was organised. Thee ŵere elders and deacons in the Church then. This speaks of organisation. Even Paul in his letter to the church at corinth talked about order/organisation in the house of God. Read to broaden your view because it is too shallow

For you to think Constantine scratched his head and coined the term Christianity shows how deep seated your ignorance is.
The two words are different... christianimos means Christ follower, Christianity is the religion. Before Ai we know this history. The word was coined from 'christ followers'...it means Christ like, unfortunately today they are rarely Christ like, from the GO to the Pastors.

Then and now is different, the Romans were executing Christ followers accusing them of sorcery etc, so yes then, the state had to accept your religion otherwise you can be nailed for sorcery or blasphemy...we live in different times now...
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by dederocs(m): 6:50pm On Apr 12
Layi4real:
That is what it is.
A pawn is a tool grin

History is there for you, take sometime study history, learn about the prophet you worship and the religion from the perspective of history not the religious book, you will be more learned. All religions are man made, if they don't tell you those things you won't believe grin
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by erniok(m): 7:10pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
The two words are different... christianimos means Christ follower, Christianity is the religion. Before Ai we know this history. The word was coined from 'christ followers'...it means Christ like, unfortunately today they are rarely Christ like, from the GO to the Pastors.

Then and now is different, the Romans were executing Christ followers accusing them of sorcery etc, so yes then, the state had to accept your religion otherwise you can be nailed for sorcery or blasphemy...we live in different times now...
Arguing with folks like you can be draining.

You can't even stick to your claim ondefinition of religion as it must be acceptable to the state before being termed religi9n.

Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by lawani(m): 7:32pm On Apr 12
Layi4real:
Adam believe in first pillar of islam. what is islam? Submission (surrender) to the will of God (Allah).
who is a Muslim? One who submits to the will of Allah.
Adam was the first human and first prophet
He believed in one God (Allah) Nd Obeyed Allah’s commands then Repented when he made a mistake. that makes him a Muslim.
Muhammad is the final prophet (Seal of the Prophets) the one who brought the final and complete message (the Qur'an)
Ok if you believe some people were Muslims before Mohammed would you agree that they were a different kind of Muslim? There is no record of them preaching to anyone to abandon their culture, they fought no one, collected jizyah from no one, did not have a last prophet and they had no holy book. They are therefore different from the breed we have today
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by uzhiyeka(m): 7:39pm On Apr 12
obonujoker:
Believing in Jesus Christ is bigger and better than any thing the world has to offer.

God the creator has given Man only one root to connect back to him, and it's not ancestors or tradition or culture or self awareness or any rubbish .. the root is the *Root and Offspring of David* which the Christ Jesus

Only Jesus is the way. No other way
Please no bad energy... Without sentiment what has really change since the dead of Jesus Christ on the cross??
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by JooEeL(m): 7:40pm On Apr 12
obonujoker:
The way of the ancestors is damnation. All the ancestors died with their false worship of false gods, and may the Lord have mercy on their souls.

Jesus is the only way to enlightenment. Jesus is the only way to God, our Creator and Father
U go explain tire!
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by uzhiyeka(m): 7:45pm On Apr 12
xtianchris:
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Who's Christ and who are Christians ?
I'm here to learn okay. No Bad blood
Christ is an actor in a book used by our slave masters to brainwash some certain group of people called christians who refuse to think by themselves
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Layi4real(m): 7:58pm On Apr 12
lawani:
Ok if you believe some people were Muslims before Mohammed would you agree that they were a different kind of Muslim? There is no record of them preaching to anyone to abandon their culture, they fought no one, collected jizyah from no one, did not have a last prophet and they had no holy book. They are therefore different from the breed we have today
yes they are different. The Religion has not completed then. and there has been killings everywhere before the birth of Muhammad. no Salat no hajj no Ramadan. that is the reason why Allah sent the seal of all prophet to finalise the religion. as I said Religion is perfect but it's the human that aren't
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Layi4real(m): 7:59pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
A pawn is a tool grin

History is there for you, take sometime study history, learn about the prophet you worship and the religion from the perspective of history not the religious book, you will be more learned. All religions are man made, if they don't tell you those things you won't believe grin
history can be fabricated
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by lawani(m): 8:05pm On Apr 12
Layi4real:
yes they are different. The Religion has not completed then. and there has been killings everywhere before the birth of Muhammad. no Salat no hajj no Ramadan. that is the reason why Allah sent the seal of all prophet to finalise the religion. as I said Religion is perfect but it's the human that aren't
The uncompleted one is better than the completed one of Jihad, jizyah, rape, arson and etc. If you want to be Muslim go back to the uncompleted one that respects other human cultures.

No killing over beliefs or God on Earth before Islam and Christianity. If there were give an example
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by dederocs(m): 8:13pm On Apr 12
erniok:
Arguing with folks like you can be draining.

You can't even stick to your claim ondefinition of religion as it must be acceptable to the state before being termed religi9n.
That screenshot is talking about Spanish word for Christianity, cristianamos, different from what am saying.

My point is, this organised Christian religion as practiced today, with it's Christmas and Easter holidays etc, was sanctioned by Constantinople, and Roman Catholic church was the first church under the organised Christian religion...you are talking about syntax and word translation... before the creation by Constantinople the word Christianity was never been used.

I have nothing against Christian religion, this whole discussion started because of the bashing of traditional culture. I respect Christians because they are peaceful and they are no Christian terrorists etc. I have lots of Christian friends.
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by Dgift(f): 8:14pm On Apr 12
A church goer is not a Christian
A Christian is not a church goer
A Christian is that soul where Christ dwells
Except Christ is dwelling in fullness inside your heart
You are not a Christian
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by dederocs(m): 8:18pm On Apr 12
Layi4real:
yes they are different. The Religion has not completed then. and there has been killings everywhere before the birth of Muhammad. no Salat no hajj no Ramadan. that is the reason why Allah sent the seal of all prophet to finalise the religion. as I said Religion is perfect but it's the human that aren't
There is no record of this, it's hogwash. Give us evidence.
Re: You Can't Be A Christian And Still Join In Pagan Traditions by lawani(m): 8:18pm On Apr 12
dederocs:
That screenshot is talking about Spanish word for Christianity, cristianamos, different from what am saying.

My point is, this organised Christian religion as practiced today, with it's Christmas and Easter holidays etc, was sanctioned by Constantinople, and Roman Catholic church was the first church under the organised Christian religion...you are talking about syntax and word translation... before the creation by Constantinople the word Christianity was never been used.

I have nothing against Christian religion, this whole discussion started because of the bashing of traditional culture. I respect Christians because they are peaceful and they are no Christian terrorists etc. I have lots of Christian friends.
Killing people for God started with Christianity. Forceful conversion started with Christianity. Mohammed was obviously converted by non trinitarian Christians is why he believed in Jesus prophethood and virgin birth. Islam is a sect of Christianity merged with Meccan culture. If no Christianity there would have been no Islam
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