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Since atheists reject God and His divine guidance, as well as revelation, I would like them to tell us the source of their morality.

What guides your conscience when it comes to good and evil? Is your moral framework subjective or objective? What is the foundational basis of your morality? How do you determine what is right or wrong? Is your morality dynamic and relative to time, location, and circumstances?

As a believer in the scriptures, my morality comes from the bible. If the Bible says an act is wrong, then it is wrong irrespective of external opinion or societal validation of such an act.

To the atheist, if you think a behaviour is immoral but society considers it good, how do you justify your stance? What makes you think your judgment is better than that of the majority?

How do you even know what is good or bad as a principle? For example, do you think fornication or homosexuality is evil? Do you think transgender identity should be considered moral? Do you think pride and lying are things that should be frowned upon? What even makes suicide or euthanasia wrong?

Atheists, do you think it is okay to indoctrinate your children with your morality, or should they be left alone to discover their own?
If your 16-year-old daughter starts taking contraceptive pills so she can have sex with her boyfriend, would you frown at it? On what grounds would you consider her behaviour immoral?

If your 21-year-old son tells you he is gay and wants to marry his partner, will you wish them marital bliss or attend their wedding if invited? If you object to such a union, where is that morality coming from?

If your 18-year-old son tells you he is transitioning to become a woman and plans to undergo surgery, on what grounds would you tell him he is wrong?

Why would it be wrong if your 25-year-old daughter tells you she does not plan to get married but intends to have children with different men and raise them without a father figure?

I am certain many atheists would struggle with some of these situations. No atheist here on nairaland will attend the wedding of his gay son or celebrate extramarital pregnancy of his daughter.

The truth some atheists conveniently ignore is that all moral frameworks in society have historically been influenced by religious traditions. People draw from these values in how they live their lives, build families, and relate to their communities.

Yet, some reject the existence of God while still engaging with moral ideas that have been shaped by religious thought.

This is something I reflected on years ago, and it led me to question whether atheism provides a sufficiently grounded explanation for morality or its simply delusion in disguise.

I would appreciate if atheist can give a convincing rebuttal as to the source of their morality independent of an imaginary sky daddy as they say.

Atheist's source of mortality is Relativism. That is why atheism can be very dangerous.

iamjavadem:
Just don't do what you don't want others to do to you....thats it, plain and simple. It covers all.

This is golden rule. Golden rule, if not guided, will manifest as subjectivism. For instance, some cultures permit wives to entertain visitors in bed. A man practicing such a culture will sleep with married women and allow his own wife to be laid by other men. He will do to others what he allows others to do to him. Do you now see the danger of unguided golden rule? So, your comment does not answer the question raised in the post.

Kobicove:
Every human being was created with a conscience, an inate ability to know right from wrong.

Conscience is not enough. Conscience uses remorse or gladness to react to what is known or experienced. What about things you don't know or understand? How can conscience be the solution? Conscience is not what revealed that abortion is immoral. Conscience does not condemn death penalty for criminals. The knowledge that premarital sex is immoral did not come from conscience. Conscience is reactive, morality (Objectivism) is proactive.

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Just don't do what you don't want others to do to you....thats it, plain and simple. It covers all.

Every human being was born with a conscience, an innate ability to know right from wrong.

Lol


If anyone needs religion to be "moral"

If anyone needs religion inorder not to commit atrocities against other humans & not destroy the environment,then that person is a piece of s-h-i-t,scumbag

Why do they doubt the biblical God most intensely?

Is Daddy Wole Soyinka here or Broda Seun should answer this!

Your conscience, thats why cornelius was upright in action even before accepting Christ

Just love people enough

The humanity in me defines my morality and not anything written in some books published over 6000 years ago. If your morality is defined by religion and the usual threat of hell fire, then you have no morality at all. You should do good because it's the right thing for you to do as a human being and not because of any religious code.

They have no morality. It flickers. The satan inside them just makes them so angry with God that doesn't exist. No be juju be that?

Kobicove:
Every human being was created with a conscience, an inate ability to know right from wrong.

Exactly, that is why I maintain that, everyone knows exactly what they are doing.

I am not an atheist, neither am I religious. But I don't think a god is needed to be moral. Whatever rules and laws are made for a country, that's enough to build up your morality. For example, in Nigeria, lesbianism and gay is not allowed. If it is written in the constitution then it is enough.

You don't need religion or another man to be moral. Respect for your fellow man and his property is enshrined in all cultures. I still find it hard to understand how Nigeria is one of the most religious countries in the world, yet one of the most corrupt societies.

Leave atheist alone, and focus your imaginary God,

Forget about the morality of Atheist,
All what Atheist want from you is to prove to them the existence of God,

Let me tell you the truth,

There's no ,concretable, reliable ,approvable and acceptable evidence of God existence.

God, Jesus Christ, Angeles,Satan and demons doesn't exist.theres no evidence of their existence.

OP.,free yourself from religious bondage.

CodeTemplar:
Why do they doubt the biblical God most intensely?

I think it's because the biblical god sounds the most stupid of them all. He is too loud and vain.

SIRTee15:
Since atheists reject God and His divine guidance, as well as revelation, I would like them to tell us the source of their morality.

What guides your conscience when it comes to good and evil? Is your moral framework subjective or objective? What is the foundational basis of your morality? How do you determine what is right or wrong? Is your morality dynamic and relative to time, location, and circumstances?

As a believer in the scriptures, my morality comes from the bible. If the Bible says an act is wrong, then it is wrong irrespective of external opinion or societal validation of such an act.

To the atheist, if you think a behaviour is immoral but society considers it good, how do you justify your stance? What makes you think your judgment is better than that of the majority?

How do you even know what is good or bad as a principle? For example, do you think fornication or homosexuality is evil? Do you think transgender identity should be considered moral? Do you think pride and lying are things that should be frowned upon? What even makes suicide or euthanasia wrong?

Atheists, do you think it is okay to indoctrinate your children with your morality, or should they be left alone to discover their own?
If your 16-year-old daughter starts taking contraceptive pills so she can have sex with her boyfriend, would you frown at it? On what grounds would you consider her behaviour immoral?

If your 21-year-old son tells you he is gay and wants to marry his partner, will you wish them marital bliss or attend their wedding if invited? If you object to such a union, where is that morality coming from?

If your 18-year-old son tells you he is transitioning to become a woman and plans to undergo surgery, on what grounds would you tell him he is wrong?

Why would it be wrong if your 25-year-old daughter tells you she does not plan to get married but intends to have children with different men and raise them without a father figure?

I am certain many atheists would struggle with some of these situations. No atheist here on nairaland will attend the wedding of his gay son or celebrate extramarital pregnancy of his daughter.

The truth some atheists conveniently ignore is that all moral frameworks in society have historically been influenced by religious traditions. People draw from these values in how they live their lives, build families, and relate to their communities.

Yet, some reject the existence of God while still engaging with moral ideas that have been shaped by religious thought.

This is something I reflected on years ago, and it led me to question whether atheism provides a sufficiently grounded explanation for morality or its simply delusion in disguise.

I would appreciate if atheist can give a convincing rebuttal as to the source of their morality independent of an imaginary sky daddy as they say.

Morality doesn’t require belief in your God or any god to exist. Atheists base their morality in reason, empathy, and shared human experience. If God is the reason for your morality, you are a very, very bad person.

When atheists rejects lying or violence to humans or other vices, it is not because Bible or Quran or any religion says so, it is because such acts erode trusts, harm people and damage communities.

How can a sane person be an atheist in the first place untill they can answer this question. They should re examine their stands.

Can a art exist without an artist
Can a movie exist without a producer
Can a bread exist without a baker
Can food exist without a cook or chef
Can a phone exist without a maker
Can a song exist without a musician
Can a car exit without the manufacturer

Then how can you accept humans exist without a maker
And the world exists without the Creator
Can a footprint exist on a beach without someone who make it.
The fact that we can see God doesn't mean it doesn't exist or an imagination of man.

No wonder the Bible says a fool says in his heart there is no God

Think 🤔

CodeTemplar:
Why do they doubt the biblical God most intensely?

You are an atheist to an extent. You are an atheist because you don't believe in other gods except yours. That mindset that make you doubt other gods is same mindset atheists have. We just took it a step further to include your god to others we don't believe in.

allthingsgood:
Which one is source of morality Every human being is born with a sense of what's right and wrong. Simple: treat others how you want to be treated.

The most wicked people in the world are the religious folks. Religion gives control over people to the few, who then manipulate it for extreme wickedness.

You are absolutely wrong on this, no one is born with this ability, we are birthed a clean slate, the community shapes and molds you into a being with conscience.
That conscience is a derivative from that same book you claimed was published 6000 years ago.

SIRTee15:
Since atheists reject God and His divine guidance, as well as revelation, I would like them to tell us the source of their morality.

What guides your conscience when it comes to good and evil? Is your moral framework subjective or objective? What is the foundational basis of your morality? How do you determine what is right or wrong? Is your morality dynamic and relative to time, location, and circumstances?

As a believer in the scriptures, my morality comes from the bible. If the Bible says an act is wrong, then it is wrong irrespective of external opinion or societal validation of such an act.

To the atheist, if you think a behaviour is immoral but society considers it good, how do you justify your stance? What makes you think your judgment is better than that of the majority?

How do you even know what is good or bad as a principle? For example, do you think fornication or homosexuality is evil? Do you think transgender identity should be considered moral? Do you think pride and lying are things that should be frowned upon? What even makes suicide or euthanasia wrong?

Atheists, do you think it is okay to indoctrinate your children with your morality, or should they be left alone to discover their own?
If your 16-year-old daughter starts taking contraceptive pills so she can have sex with her boyfriend, would you frown at it? On what grounds would you consider her behaviour immoral?

If your 21-year-old son tells you he is gay and wants to marry his partner, will you wish them marital bliss or attend their wedding if invited? If you object to such a union, where is that morality coming from?

If your 18-year-old son tells you he is transitioning to become a woman and plans to undergo surgery, on what grounds would you tell him he is wrong?

Why would it be wrong if your 25-year-old daughter tells you she does not plan to get married but intends to have children with different men and raise them without a father figure?

I am certain many atheists would struggle with some of these situations. No atheist here on nairaland will attend the wedding of his gay son or celebrate extramarital pregnancy of his daughter.

The truth some atheists conveniently ignore is that all moral frameworks in society have historically been influenced by religious traditions. People draw from these values in how they live their lives, build families, and relate to their communities.

Yet, some reject the existence of God while still engaging with moral ideas that have been shaped by religious thought.

This is something I reflected on years ago, and it led me to question whether atheism provides a sufficiently grounded explanation for morality or its simply delusion in disguise.

I would appreciate if atheist can give a convincing rebuttal as to the source of their morality independent of an imaginary sky daddy as they say.

There's a huge difference between morality and theism aka religion.
One doesn't need to believe in a god to know what is right and what is wrong.
Religion calls the wrong sin.
The law calls it a crime.
Both theist and atheists are subject to the law of the land so they know the rights from the wrongs.
Morality is rooted in empathy and rational standards. That is not necessarily religion.
If a feel pain when my property is taken away, I will not take other people's properties and will discourage others from taking people's properties.
I don't need any religion to know that.
It's just humanity.

As Jordan Peterson would start off. "Depend what you mean by God".

Being a good human being, not doing things because of reward e.g. heaven

Religion itself has nothing to do with morality, religion is immorality and corruption, a money making scheme that feeds on fears and put it’s extremists on psychopathic level of primitivism

America fighting Iran over the quest of trying send the world into apocalyptic state is not caused by atheism

Atheism is not a religion.
Atheism is a lack of belief in religion or anything supernatural.

Majority of the so called atheists in the house are fake atheists like the first black Nobel Laureate of Literature, Prof. Wole Soyinka who says he does not believe in God, but believes in the Yoruba Orisa gods and goddesses.
Like saying you don't believe in the existence of God, but you believe in the existence of demons and spirits.

Not believing that God exists does not mean He does not exist.
It only means you are ignorant of His existence within the scope of your knowledge.

An atheist: thank God am an atheist

Me: thank WHO


LOL

These people are confused

There is something God deposited in everyone of us, it's the concsiosness of His existence, there no sane person who dont believe in God. Forget all the drama

Our parents mostly make us to know evil/good deeds when we are growing up. The rest is left for us to build when we grow up. The pastor the murder his church member, what tells him that it's fine to do such?

I turned Atheist at 200 level back in the University, and that transition totally unlocked the logical being in me. Before the University I had silent questions about a supposed God or gods but at the University, Philosophy just blew my curiosity wide open leading to more and more curiousity to study/research more and more and till this day; I can tell you for a fact that, if you begin to read or study about the mystery of the world, people and the Universe from age 1 to age 100, you still will not fully get educated and know all — which is why Socrates (The most educated and wisest man that ever lived), said, "I know nothing." That said, let's get back to the question.



Morality is innate — you do NOT need religion to be moral or uphold morality, without morality, there will not be a safe society and even with morality and rampant rise of churches, society still need laws and law enforcement to punish violators of the laws in order to have a safe society. But then again;

If you as a human needs religion to be moral, you are a pathetic and terrible person from the start; why? Because no one ever told you, not to kill your mother, somehow, you knew it that it's wrong to kill your mother. That is morality in play.



That's my final answer but If you would stick around for some more knowledge.

Do you know that if you as a Christian use the Bible as your moral compass and follow everything the Bible says, you will be in jail today? The Bible is full of contradictions like:


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Thou shalt not kill. —Exodus 20:13

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Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side. and slay every man his brother…companion…neighbor. —Exodus 32:27




2

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. —Revelation 8:7

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And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. —Revelation 9:4


3

Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord. —Proverbs 12:22

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The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. —I Kings 22:23



4

For I am the Lord; I change not. —Malachi 3:6

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And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. —Exodus 32:14



5

For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. —Exodus 20:5

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The Lord is good to all. —Psalms 145:9



6

For every man shall bear his own burden. —Galatians 6:2

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Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. —Galatians 6:2



7

Submit yourself to every ordinance of man…to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors. —I Peter 2:13

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We ought to obey God rather than men. —Acts 5:29


8

Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. —Genesis 9:3

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It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall. —Romans 14:21


9

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. —Proverbs 26:4

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Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. —Proverbs 26:5



10

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. —Matthew 10:34

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These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. —John 16:33

uchennamani:
Morality doesn’t require belief in your God or any god to exist. Atheists base their morality in reason, empathy, and shared human experience. If God is the reason for your morality, you are a very, very bad person

When atheists rejects lying or violence to humans or other vices, it is not because Bible or Quran or any religion says so, it is because such acts erode trusts, harm people and damage communities.

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