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tosine90:
How can a sane person be an atheist in the first place untill they can answer this question. They should re examine their stands.

Can a art exist without an artist
Can a movie exist without a producer
Can a bread exist without a baker
Can food exist without a cook or chef
Can a phone with a maker
Can a song exist without a musician
Can a car exit without the manufacturer

Then how can you accept humans exist without a maker
And the world exists with the Creator
Can a footprint exist on a beach with someone who make it.
The fact that we can see God doesn't mean it doesn't exist or a imagination of man.

No wonder the Bible says a fool says in his heart there is no God

Think 🤔

You have asked a lot of questions.
But you've failed to ask the one question that'd render all your questions useless.
If everything and everyone must come from something, what did the something come from?
If you believe the maker existed out of nothing, could the acclaimed "made" have come out of nothing?
Why do you think there was a maker who came out of nothing but argue that the "made" couldn't have come out of nothing?
Is it because some book said so? A book that was written by the "made" who wasn't anywhere near the "maker" or the time of making?

There is nobody created by God who don't believe there is God, forget all the drama, deep down everyone believes in God

Adam later got help in the form of a woman after God saw it was not ok for man to be alone. But what about the lion and tigers and sharks. We're they all creat male alone and God later discovered this with them?. If no then why not follow same simple logic all through.


Forget the stories of the bible. It cannot be accurate. The moral end however is very much accurate.

Austema:
An atheist: thank God am an atheist

Me: thank WHO


LOL This people are confused

It is These people not This people

reverendfather:
You are absolutely wrong on this, no one is born with this ability, we are birthed a clean slate, the community shapes and molds you into a being with conscience.
That conscience is a derivative from that same book you claimed was published 6000 years ago.

You can't derive conscience from a book. If Jesus taught you to be meek like the children. What does that tell you

There were many civilisations before Christianity and Islam and they lived in relative peace. The only people that were fighting each other were the europeans. They only stopped fighting themselves when they discovered they could influct the same damage and wickedness on africa. Religion is nothing but a tool of control. But the world is slowly waking up.

Note: I said religion not spirituality.

mablie:
It is These people not This people

Hope you understand my point

sulaak:
You don't need religion or another man to be moral. Respect for your fellow man and his property is enshrined in all cultures. I still find it hard to understand how Nigeria is one of the most religious countries in the world, yet one of the most corrupt societies.

Thiz is the perfect rebuttal to that monumentally deceptive argument
Nigerians despite being one of the nost religious countries is still full of atrocities
Who is deceiving who

iamjavadem:
Just don't do what you don't want others to do to you....thats it, plain and simple. It covers all.

if I am ok with being hit in the face if i insult someone, why does the law then charge me for assault if i hit other in the face for an insult.


If i believe that i should be killed if i cheat on my spouse. does that make it right to kill my spouse f they cheat on me.

tosine90:
How can a sane person be an atheist in the first place untill they can answer this question. They should re examine their stands.

Can a art exist without an artist
Can a movie exist without a producer
Can a bread exist without a baker
Can food exist without a cook or chef
Can a phone exist without a maker
Can a song exist without a musician
Can a car exit without the manufacturer

Then how can you accept humans exist without a maker
And the world exists with the Creator
Can a footprint exist on a beach with someone who make it.
The fact that we can see God doesn't mean it doesn't exist or an imagination of man.

No wonder the Bible says a fool says in his heart there is no God

Think 🤔

If everything needs a point of origin, explain how the Maker came to be. Who made the Maker? Who made the Maker who made Maker......

If your opinion is that the Maker doesn't need an origin, why should the universe?

There is nothing as atheist. It's an illusion. Same as religion.

For a man must believe in the very essence of life itself. To not believe in a God is same as having no belief in thyself.

And such leads to the truest of all death. The death of the mind.

Everything is a replica of everything. You are a replica of the God you do not believe in. Whole of a part and part of a Whole.

There is nothing aside this but a mental vacation or do I said suppression of the known.

Kobicove:
Every human being was created with a conscience, an inate ability to know right from wrong.

you are moving from atheism with you notion of created with consience.

Note that most of what we call conscience is learnt from the environment. Humans have an ability for empathy but we learn what and where to show empathy from society. a child raised alone in an isolated jungle will only know survival.

tosine90:
How can a sane person be an atheist in the first place untill they can answer this question. They should re examine their stands.

Can a art exist without an artist
Can a movie exist without a producer
Can a bread exist without a baker
Can food exist without a cook or chef
Can a phone exist without a maker
Can a song exist without a musician
Can a car exit without the manufacturer

Then how can you accept humans exist without a maker
And the world exists with the Creator
Can a footprint exist on a beach with someone who make it.
The fact that we can see God doesn't mean it doesn't exist or an imagination of man.

No wonder the Bible says a fool says in his heart there is no God

Think 🤔

Amazing
But god can exist without a creator😏

Miggs:
Lol


If anyone needs religion to be "moral"

If anyone needs religion inorder not to commit atrocities against other humans & not destroy the environment,then that person is a piece of s-h-i-t,scumbag

you dont need religion to be moral but you need a definition of good and evil with their relative gravities. Religion is one of many sources of the definition of good and evil.

Certainly not from a book and god that commands barbaric acts like genocide, incest, infanticide and discrimination. We get our morality from the same place people that existed before your bible got theirs, same place animals get theirs that theyre able to show cooperation, empathy, altruism, guilt, fairness and enforcement of rules. Same place the followers of other religions old and extinct got their moralities from - not the bible or Yhwh.

femi4:
Your conscience, thats why cornelius was upright in action even before accepting Christ

he was upright by societal standards of his time. he probably did things you would consider despicable by your standards today

allthingsgood:
Which one is source of morality Every human being is born with a sense of what's right and wrong. Simple: treat others how you want to be treated.

The most wicked people in the world are the religious folks. Religion gives control over people to the few, who then manipulate it for extreme wickedness.

"Every human being is born with a sense of what's right and wrong. Simple: treat others how you want to be treated. "

this is untrue. concept of right and wrong is learned. we are not born with it. Our primal instincts are for survival.

"treat others how you want to be treated" simply translates as "treat others using your standard of good and evil".

We wouldn't need laws if "treat others how you want to be treated" was absolute

Now the you admitted nothing can come into existence without an effect or effort of something.

Now where did God came from can't be interpretated by our limited humans brains. The Bible says God is eternal, from everlasting to everlasting, He is the beginning and the end.
He is not limited by time, space and matter. He created everything, He existed outside those things. It just like the manufacturer of a computer is not inside the computer but outside of it. So the computer can't feel and understand how to be outside it own system or environment so that why our brain shut down when we ask that question. No answer

Thinks.

Urgent1Million:
You have asked a lot of questions.
But you've failed to ask the one question that'd render all your questions useless.
If everything and everyone must come from something, what did the something come from?
If you believe the maker existed out of nothing, could the acclaimed "made" have come out of nothing?
Why do you think there was a maker who came out of nothing but argue that the "made" couldn't have come out of nothing?
Is it because some book said so? A book that was written by the "made" who wasn't anywhere near the "maker" or the time of making?

monex:
"Every human being is born with a sense of what's right and wrong. Simple: treat others how you want to be treated. "

this is untrue. concept of right and wrong is learned. we are not born with it. Our primal instincts are for survival.

"treat others how you want to be treated" simply translates as "treat others using your standard of good and evil".

We wouldn't need laws if "treat others how you want to be treated" was absolute

So why did jesus tell you to be like children. You just like to argue.

Religion is a political construct. There was no Christianity in the time of jesus. Infact, Jesus was anti-religion. He preferred morality over institutionalised religion, pointing out their hypocrisy. Una just de go church but never bother to read bible. Same for muslims

seunmsg:
The humanity in me defines my morality and not anything written in some books published over 6000 years ago. If your morality is defined by religion and the usual threat of hell fire, then you have no morality at all. You should do good because it's the right thing for you to do as a human being and not because of any religious code.

another fallacy. it isnt the humanity in you but your society and environment that defines your morality. There are folks who think killing gay people is wrong while some others think gay acts are not amoral and then others say it is wrong but does not deserve capital punishment.

all three above couldnt have gotten different morality from their humanity.

IbileIfe:
Atheism is not a religion.
Atheism is a lack of belief in religion or anything supernatural.

Majority of the so called atheists in the house are fake atheists like the first black Nobel Laureate of Literature, Prof. Wole Soyinka who says he does not believe in God, but believes in the Yoruba Orisa gods and goddesses.
Like saying you don't believe in the existence of God, but you believe in the existence of demons and spirits.

Not believing that God exists does not mean He does not exist.
It only means you are ignorant of His existence within the scope of your knowledge.

Wole Soyinka is not an atheist. It is folks like you that are forcing the atheism tag on him and he simply decided not to push back. He believes in the God of his orishas the same way you believe in your Abrahamic God. A pagan is not an atheist.

SIRTee15:
Since atheists reject God and His divine guidance, as well as revelation, I would like them to tell us the source of their morality.

What guides your conscience when it comes to good and evil? Is your moral framework subjective or objective? What is the foundational basis of your morality? How do you determine what is right or wrong? Is your morality dynamic and relative to time, location, and circumstances?

As a believer in the scriptures, my morality comes from the bible. If the Bible says an act is wrong, then it is wrong irrespective of external opinion or societal validation of such an act.

To the atheist, if you think a behaviour is immoral but society considers it good, how do you justify your stance? What makes you think your judgment is better than that of the majority?

How do you even know what is good or bad as a principle? For example, do you think fornication or homosexuality is evil? Do you think transgender identity should be considered moral? Do you think pride and lying are things that should be frowned upon? What even makes suicide or euthanasia wrong?

Atheists, do you think it is okay to indoctrinate your children with your morality, or should they be left alone to discover their own?
If your 16-year-old daughter starts taking contraceptive pills so she can have sex with her boyfriend, would you frown at it? On what grounds would you consider her behaviour immoral?

If your 21-year-old son tells you he is gay and wants to marry his partner, will you wish them marital bliss or attend their wedding if invited? If you object to such a union, where is that morality coming from?

If your 18-year-old son tells you he is transitioning to become a woman and plans to undergo surgery, on what grounds would you tell him he is wrong?

Why would it be wrong if your 25-year-old daughter tells you she does not plan to get married but intends to have children with different men and raise them without a father figure?

I am certain many atheists would struggle with some of these situations. No atheist here on nairaland will attend the wedding of his gay son or celebrate extramarital pregnancy of his daughter.

The truth some atheists conveniently ignore is that all moral frameworks in society have historically been influenced by religious traditions. People draw from these values in how they live their lives, build families, and relate to their communities.

Yet, some reject the existence of God while still engaging with moral ideas that have been shaped by religious thought.

This is something I reflected on years ago, and it led me to question whether atheism provides a sufficiently grounded explanation for morality or its simply delusion in disguise.

I would appreciate if atheist can give a convincing rebuttal as to the source of their morality independent of an imaginary sky daddy as they say.

The same place you get yours, the cogitations of conscious minds.

geoworldedu:
I am not an atheist, neither am I religious. But I don't think a god is needed to be moral. Whatever rules and laws are made for a country, that's enough to build up your morality. For example, in Nigeria, lesbianism and gay is not allowed. If it is written in the constitution then it is enough.

makes sense although this is still relativism. Nigeria saying gay is evil does not objectively make it evil. There is need for an objective definition of good and evil. Each religion tries to claim itself as the objective definition of morality unfortunately.

Why is it consider a sin when one question God or the holy bible❓

tosine90:
How can a sane person be an atheist in the first place untill they can answer this question. They should re examine their stands.

Can a art exist without an artist
Can a movie exist without a producer
Can a bread exist without a baker
Can food exist without a cook or chef
Can a phone exist without a maker
Can a song exist without a musician
Can a car exit without the manufacturer

Then how can you accept humans exist without a maker
And the world exists with the Creator
Can a footprint exist on a beach with someone who make it.
The fact that we can see God doesn't mean it doesn't exist or an imagination of man.

No wonder the Bible says a fool says in his heart there is no God

Think 🤔

A fool says in his heart there's God.

I will ask you one question and if you can answer me, I will answer all your useless questions.

Who created God ? I mean how did God came into existence ?

Where was God when he created heaven and earth ?
Tell me ,where is hellfire located ?

The constitution and self consciousness

SIRTee15:
Since atheists reject God and His divine guidance, as well as revelation, I would like them to tell us the source of their morality.

What guides your conscience when it comes to good and evil? Is your moral framework subjective or objective? What is the foundational basis of your morality? How do you determine what is right or wrong? Is your morality dynamic and relative to time, location, and circumstances?

As a believer in the scriptures, my morality comes from the bible. If the Bible says an act is wrong, then it is wrong irrespective of external opinion or societal validation of such an act.

To the atheist, if you think a behaviour is immoral but society considers it good, how do you justify your stance? What makes you think your judgment is better than that of the majority?

How do you even know what is good or bad as a principle? For example, do you think fornication or homosexuality is evil? Do you think transgender identity should be considered moral? Do you think pride and lying are things that should be frowned upon? What even makes suicide or euthanasia wrong?

Atheists, do you think it is okay to indoctrinate your children with your morality, or should they be left alone to discover their own?
If your 16-year-old daughter starts taking contraceptive pills so she can have sex with her boyfriend, would you frown at it? On what grounds would you consider her behaviour immoral?

If your 21-year-old son tells you he is gay and wants to marry his partner, will you wish them marital bliss or attend their wedding if invited? If you object to such a union, where is that morality coming from?

If your 18-year-old son tells you he is transitioning to become a woman and plans to undergo surgery, on what grounds would you tell him he is wrong?

Why would it be wrong if your 25-year-old daughter tells you she does not plan to get married but intends to have children with different men and raise them without a father figure?

I am certain many atheists would struggle with some of these situations. No atheist here on nairaland will attend the wedding of his gay son or celebrate extramarital pregnancy of his daughter.

The truth some atheists conveniently ignore is that all moral frameworks in society have historically been influenced by religious traditions. People draw from these values in how they live their lives, build families, and relate to their communities.

Yet, some reject the existence of God while still engaging with moral ideas that have been shaped by religious thought.

This is something I reflected on years ago, and it led me to question whether atheism provides a sufficiently grounded explanation for morality or its simply delusion in disguise.

I would appreciate if atheist can give a convincing rebuttal as to the source of their morality independent of an imaginary sky daddy as they say.

The source of my morality is simply the wickedness of religious believers

allthingsgood:
So why did jesus tell you to be like children. You just like to argue.

Religion is a political construct. There was no Christianity in the time of jesus. Infact, Jesus was anti-religion. He preferred morality over institutionalised religion, pointing out their hypocrisy. Una just de go church but never bother to read bible. Same for muslims

According to Christian theology and non-religious scholars, Jesus was telling the audience to imitate children in humility, vulnerability and teachability. It had absolutely no inference to children knowing what is good or evil from birth.

you need to learn to be more logical and avoid assumptions in discussions like this. Four assumptions you made :

I am a Christian
I go to Church
I nor dey read bible
Muslims too nor dey read their Holy Book

Dump religion!you are the The God !

Morality is in the eyes of the beholder...you call people atheist because they don't believe in your prophet, or a monotheistic philosophy of God. Learn more, it is very naive, even ridiculous to think because someone doesn't believe what you believe they have no morality. Atheist means people that don't believe in monotheism, you monotheistic faith based people, just throw labels, but don't really know meaning of the words you use...most of you are not really intelligent, deep or spiritual, just pawns of your clerics.

For example the north have morality police, but have the highest number of terrorists, sadists, hypocrites and evil people.

You can't put God in a box, humanity have existed as an intelligent species for more than 100 thousand years now, Christianity is about 2500 years, Islam is 1500 years...so you think before this time, people don't pray to their God, get revelations etc...you think God started to exist 3000years ago?

Homospaiens, the Homo species modern humans came from have existed for more than 100,000 years.

Nigerians are some of the most immoral people I know. That is why our country is one of the most corrupt in the world. At the same time,we are one of the most religious places on earth. Back to the topic, religion is not needed for one to have a moral framework. A moral framework can exist without religion and the individual will function optimally as long as his moral values do not contradict the laws of the society in which he lives.This is why countries with a large population of atheists like China can have more law and order than very religious countries like Nigeria. If the ultimate validatior and source of morality is religion, then it can be argued that BH terrorists are not doing anything wrong because they are acting out of religious conviction (according to their misguided understanding) It is clear that the OP is not well trained in logical thinking and reasoning.

P.S I am not an atheist.

Conscience. We all have one and it's inbuilt.