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Kobojunkie:
On the God issue, Science still does not pretend to have the facts. That means the very claim that God does not exist is also of religion. So...yeah! 🥱

LordReed:
✓ So if I say Harry Potter doesn't exist, I am practicing a religion?

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! Thanks to the author of the series, we know her works are of her imagination. 🥱🥱

Anyways, you and I have already been through this many times in the past. Are you really thinking to dreg this nonsense back up again? 🥱

Kobojunkie:
Atheism is founded on the dogmatic belief, without a foundation in facts, that there exists no power higher or greater than that which is currently known. It is a religion. It is all built on falsehood.🥱

NerdCat:
✓ Sounds like the usual, desperate attempt to redefine atheism to me - probably because you lack the wits to engage with atheism in it's purest ontological form.

LordReed:
✓ You are the one dredging it up. I asked why you lot fail to produce the facts you assert evidences your god.

Kobojunkie:
What god? I have never engaged you in such meaningless back and forth.

Anyways, the same way an atheist has no evidence to prove his belief is the very same way the others have no proof for their own side. That is where things remain to date. 🥱🥱

geoworldedu:
I didn't say I will love-vendor daughter into prostitution. You are lying like a Christian oga. I said I will ask my child who wants to be an onlyfan model if she is ready to face the consequences of what her society will dish out to her. If she thinks she can, then she's an adult and it's her choice. So why do you lie a lot.

As for me, I want to be an onlyfan actor. How can I join sef?

Your god who commanded killing of disobedient and drunk son can never be close to me in morality even if I join onlyfan

God Almighty who created Jehovah your god bears me witness that your god is highly immoral

geoworldedu:
God Almighty who created Jehovah your god bears me witness that your god is highly immoral

Kobojunkie:
Of course, it would sound like that to you.🥱

iamjavadem:
Just don't do what you don't want others to do to you....thats it, plain and simple. It covers all.

Kobojunkie:
According to reports on him, he is a traditionalist. 🥱

AgentNairaland:
https://dailypost.ng/2024/10/10/im-an-atheist-who-prefers-orisa-worship-wole-soyinka/

geoworldedu:
I didn't say I will love-vendor daughter into prostitution. You are lying like a Christian oga. I said I will ask my child who wants to be an onlyfan model if she is ready to face the consequences of what her society will dish out to her. If she thinks she can, then she's an adult and it's her choice. So why do you lie a lot.

As for me, I want to be an onlyfan actor. How can I join sef?

Your god who commanded killing of disobedient and drunk son can never be close to me in morality even if I join onlyfan

God Almighty who created Jehovah your god bears me witness that your god is highly immoral

yemmit90:
No

Lolz, no one derived a particular moral law from higher power because religion is man made traditions. Humans introduced the concept of God in their own ways and traditions. What you think is moral in one society, might be immoral in another. Natural law exist among the people that shares the same values, cultures, gods, lineages and traditions. In some cases, there were universal laws that binded all humans, the same law exist among animals, which can also be regarded as "instinct".

DeepSight:
This is disappointing. Such a sexist / misogynist post is something you should be ashamed of. It betrays a terrible mindset.

@unknownqueen: I am happy to say that I dont know. And I dont believe anyone knows. But I do believe there is something mysterious and beyond our understanding at the root of existence.

And yes, something are evidently timeless.

SIRTee15:
pls dont bring that political correctness nonsense hre.
she came her insulting people up and down, but u didn't correct her.
I noticed she's female thus better ignored rather than dragging words with her, u came here with your political correctness rhetoric.

Neoteny:
You're referring to the Bible as your source of morality, and Christianity is 2,000+ years old, beginning with Paul's writings (Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew). The Gospels of the Bible were written approximately 100 years after Jesus. So what came before the Torah and the New Testament? If you're pegging the origin of your belief system to 4,000 years ago then explain morality and justice systems 3,000 years earlier than that and farther, during the Mesopotamian, Babylonian and Sumerian civilisations. Explain the 5,000 years of Persian and Chinese civilisations. Incidentally, Abraham came from ancient Babylon, which is now Iraq.

Neoteny:
Also, there's no such thing as "Judeo-Christian", it's a modern invention by the Zionists to gain the sympathy of evangelicals for the creation of Israel. The foundation of Christianity is the idea of salvation, accepting that Christ died for your sins and is the son of Yahweh. But Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and believe he's in hell. How are you the same, that you conflate the two distinct and conflicting religions into one?

Neoteny:
The Old Testament god is a deeply amoral and wrathful god, so how can this be the source of universal moral values? There's more sex and violence and debauchery in the bibles than anything a conscientious atheist has ever written.

Neoteny:
If you're so confused about your religion then you've no ground to stand on to opine about the source of morality.

Neoteny:
As for your obsession with homosexuality and transgenderism, well... that's a matter of liberalism and not atheism. There are many atheists who don't condone the acts, but it's in overwhelmingly Christian civilisations that such acts are accepted and even made legal, such as in the US, Europe, and Israel itself. In fact, Israel are having gay Pride Day in Jerusalem! But what Muslim country, for instance, legalizes gay marriage, homosexuality and transgenderism? So it's not biblical nor Judaic. It's also not atheism, it's liberalism that enables it.

Neoteny:
You've also not explained why philosophy exists way before any of the books of the Bible where morality is pondered, which sets the basis for my claim that religion, which came later, borrowed liberally from philosophy and incorporated it.

Neoteny:
As I've also said, the real source of morality is conscience. That's the source whether one is a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindi, liberal, conservative, or atheist. A healthy conscience makes for a healthy society with or without religion, and conscience is imbued in the Self, or the Freudian Id, not some questionable scriptures the authors of which are unknown. The Bible doesn't get to define what morality is, as it's subjective. While societal consensus can make some definitions for expectations, morality is largely down to personal inhibitions.

LordReed:
Ok so it is morally ok to take legal concubines and marry multiple wives?

And what of the verse that says masturbation or self pleasure is a sin, still waiting for that.

SIRTee15:
polygamy is not a sin according to the bible, anything God permit cannot be a sin though not expedient and not part of the original covenant btw God and man.

hebrew 13.4 makes it clear marriage bed should be undefiled. any sexual act outside the marriage bed is a sin. masturbation is sexual pleasure without a partner- that's outside of the marital bed.
If u want masturbate, invite your partner and do it in his/her presence. note- your partner must willingly agree to it, approve of it and must derive sexual pleasure from the act. anything outside of this a sin/sexual abuse/sexual cohesion.

LordReed:
Bro do you realise you just admitted to relative morality?

SIRTee15:
polygamy is not a sin according to the bible, anything God permit cannot be a sin though not expedient and not part of the original covenant btw God and man.

hebrew 13.4 makes it clear marriage bed should be undefiled. any sexual act outside the marriage bed is a sin. masturbation is sexual pleasure without a partner- that's outside of the marital bed.
If u want masturbate, invite your partner and do it in his/her presence. note- your partner must willingly agree to it, approve of it and must derive sexual pleasure from the act. anything outside of this a sin/sexual abuse/sexual cohesion.

SIRTee15:
polygamy is not a sin according to the bible, anything God permit cannot be a sin though not expedient and not part of the original covenant btw God and man.

LordReed:
Ok so it is morally ok to take legal concubines and marry multiple wives? .

Neoteny:
You're referring to the Bible as your source of morality, and Christianity is 2,000+ years old, beginning with Paul's writings (Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew). The Gospels of the Bible were written approximately 100 years after Jesus. So what came before the Torah and the New Testament? If you're pegging the origin of your belief system to 4,000 years ago then explain morality and justice systems 3,000 years earlier than that and farther, during the Mesopotamian, Babylonian and Sumerian civilisations. Explain the 5,000 years of Persian and Chinese civilisations. Incidentally, Abraham came from ancient Babylon, which is now Iraq.

Also, there's no such thing as "Judeo-Christian", it's a modern invention by the Zionists to gain the sympathy of evangelicals for the creation of Israel. The foundation of Christianity is the idea of salvation, accepting that Christ died for your sins and is the son of Yahweh. But Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and believe he's in hell. How are you the same, that you conflate the two distinct and conflicting religions into one?

The Old Testament god is a deeply amoral and wrathful god, so how can this be the source of universal moral values? There's more sex and violence and debauchery in the bibles than anything a conscientious atheist has ever written.


If you're so confused about your religion then you've no ground to stand on to opine about the source of morality.

As for your obsession with homosexuality and transgenderism, well... that's a matter of liberalism and not atheism. There are many atheists who don't condone the acts, but it's in overwhelmingly Christian civilisations that such acts are accepted and even made legal, such as in the US, Europe, and Israel itself. In fact, Israel are having gay Pride Day in Jerusalem! But what Muslim country, for instance, legalizes gay marriage, homosexuality and transgenderism? So it's not biblical nor Judaic. It's also not atheism, it's liberalism that enables it.

You've also not explained why philosophy exists way before any of the books of the Bible where morality is pondered, which sets the basis for my claim that religion, which came later, borrowed liberally from philosophy and incorporated it.

As I've also said, the real source of morality is conscience. That's the source whether one is a Jew, Christian, Muslim, Hindi, liberal, conservative, or atheist. A healthy conscience makes for a healthy society with or without religion, and conscience is imbued in the Self, or the Freudian Id, not some questionable scriptures the authors of which are unknown. The Bible doesn't get to define what morality is, as it's subjective. While societal consensus can make some definitions for expectations, morality is largely down to personal inhibitions.

SIRTee15:
Something that's in the bible !!!!!

Polygamy is permitted and marriage bed undefiled are both derived from the bible.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are not saying the Truth. It is written God can never support evil. So , i checked it thoroughly and found that Polygamy is a sin. God even uses it as a punishment and I proved it in these threads.

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

https://www.nairaland.com/8238054/polygamy-jews-stopped-polygaming-after

https://www.nairaland.com/8080384/polygamy-gods-punishment-fornication-deut

https://www.nairaland.com/8077583/polygamist-god-gave-him-wives

SIRTee15:
Pls don't derail this thread with your shallow knowledge. People even corrected u in those thread but your obstinacy no gree u see road.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT WHO HAS THE BEST MORALITY BUT WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF YOUR MORALITY.

Since u think polygamy being a sin is derived from a higher power, then no need proceeding further.

Atheist here are already trying to drive the discussion into the direction of whether the morality of God is the best.

I will appreciate if u don't give them the fuel for that, the question is clear WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF MORALITY FOR THOSE WHO DONT HAVE A HIGHER POWER.

SIRTee15:
Something that's in the bible !!!!!

Polygamy is permitted and marriage bed undefiled are both derived from the bible.

THEDEEPSIGHT:
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Comedy!