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HesInMe:
Calm down nah. I'm not criticizing any approach. I genuinely wanted to learn about trading strategies.

And yes, sometimes I've invested in -- and profited from -- stocks that don't have a particularly great underlying business. I bought REDSTAREX in late Dec last year at N8 and by early Feb it was N32. I just don't think that approach is reliably repeatable.

You want to genuinely learn, yet you’re still low-key criticizing, and I knew that was coming. What do “blunt tools” mean to you? I also mentioned a whole lot of approaches that you chose to ignore before reaching your conclusion.

Be sincere, if you can.

ositadima1:
Ok sir, but please Google Jim Simons. He made billions through trading. Billions are billions, whether you make $80 billion and I make $35 billion, once you reach billionaire status, you’ve done something exceptional. The guy was richer than Dangote through trading stocks and derivatives, although he has passed away now. He was a mathematician.

ok I know but no one dead or alive has beaten buffet using different approach is what I wanted to confirm

nosa2:
The problem with this entire conversation is that there is no right way to do things and it is not a competition. We all have different temperaments and objectives and as such our approach and levels of comfort will be very different.

I don't think anyone has ever said we can only make money with one strategy.
I just feel traders don't like their stock picks to be discussed and analyzed.
If you are an FA person , you will gladly welcome a detailed analysis of the company of your interest.

Streetinvestor2:
ok I know but no one dead or alive has beaten buffet using different approach is what I wanted to confirm

Lol, but you agree now that you can make billions of dollars from trading? If you do, then give traders some respect. I don’t need to be the richest guy in the world to become stupidly wealthy.

I feel the coming on board of the biggest masquerade in Africa, the Dangote refinery IPO when successful will help drag Aradel up faster within 3 to 5 years.

Aradel & Zenith Bank will be impacted positively by the king of moat. Dangote refinery

pluto09:
I don't think anyone has ever said we can only make money with one strategy.
I just feel traders don't like their stock picks to be discussed and analyzed.
If you are an FA person , you will gladly welcome a detailed analysis of the company of your interest.

Gbam and that is my fight everytime here with them.why don't u want me to make my view on that particular stock based on FA.Why do u feel threatened that it will make the SP of that stock crash

ositadima1:
Lol, but you agree now that you can make billions of dollars from trading? If you do, then give traders some respect. I don’t need to be the richest guy in the world to become stupidly wealthy.

But I have said you could make money via bet but know it is a bet and don't cry if it fails...simple

Dis man... Relax.

Blunt used metaphorically means limited in effectiveness and utility. For example, if you use position sizing, you have to limit you investment size and profit potential. By contrast, if you could hedge, your possibilities are theoretically limitless.

ositadima1:
You want to genuinely learn, yet you’re still low-key criticizing, and I knew that was coming. What do “blunt tools” mean to you? I also mentioned a whole lot of approaches that you chose to ignore before reaching your conclusion.

Be sincere, if you can.

pluto09:
I don't think anyone has ever said we can only make money with one strategy.
I just feel traders don't like their stock picks to be discussed and analyzed.
If you are an FA person , you will gladly welcome a detailed analysis of the company of your interest.

What exactly is the meaning of this post and the big mocking banner that follows it? What is the writer trying to imply? I’m not attacking you ooo, I’m just trying to understand the point being made.

emmanuelewumi:
Don't eat your future, invest in fundamentally sound stocks

ogawisdom:
I feel the coming on board of the biggest masquerade in Africa, the Dangote refinery IPO when successful will help drag Aradel up faster within 3 to 5 years.

Aradel & Zenith Bank will be impacted positively by the king of moat. Dangote refinery

I have a feeling the refinery IPO will end the bull run

HesInMe:
Dis man... Relax.

Blunt used metaphorically means limited in effectiveness and utility. For example, if you use position sizing, you have to limit you investment size and profit potential. By contrast, if you could hedge, your possibilities are theoretically limitless.

Please interpret

HesInMe:
Dis man... Relax.

Blunt used metaphorically means limited in effectiveness and utility. For example, if you use position sizing, you have to limit you investment size and profit potential. By contrast, if you could hedge, your possibilities are theoretically limitless.

But that is the idea. Wherever you find yourself, whether in Nigeria or the U.S. stock market, position sizing is a fundamental part of risk management.

There are always uncertainties, and position sizing is one way to manage them. Why does that seem “blunt” to you? Do you go all in on your fundamentally sound stocks? Why do you guys maintain portfolios of multiple stocks?

ositadima1:
What exactly is the meaning of this post and the big mocking banner that follows it? What is the writer trying to imply? I’m not attacking you ooo, I’m just trying to understand the point being made.

Haba bro would u have preferred he said invest in a bet.Abi investment in olosho
Infact have you seen whr anymore is advised to invest in a gamble if the person no be devil..lol

nosa2:
I have a feeling the refinery IPO will end the bull run

Certainly it will lead to serious market pull back , everyone will want to buy the king of moat

June - July, interesting days ahead , some people are already taking profits and moving to fixed income in preparation

Streetinvestor2:
Haba bro would u have preferred he said invest in a bet.Abi investment in olosho
Infact have you seen whr anymore is advised to invest in a gamble if the person no be devil..lol

You may personally prefer fundamental investing, and that is fine, but once you start labeling every other approach as gambling, you stop making sense. Not every non-fundamental play is automatically “olosho investment” or gambling.

nosa2:
I have a feeling the refinery IPO will end the bull run

It would be a third of the market (33%). You would then for a while have a similar situation to what is found in Kenya and Ghana where Safaricom and MTN respectively single handedly control the market.
Only NNPC listing would challenge that.

In Ghana’s case for instance, out of a $25 Billion market cap, MTN Ghana is said to be worth $19 Billion. The next is Ecobank at $1.1 Billion

ogawisdom:
Certainly it will lead to serious market pull back , everyone will want to buy the king of moat

June - July, interesting days ahead

On a serious note why do u guys feel every one will be interested in the ipo
For me I am no longer interested in any ipo because most of them showed me shage like all alhaji ipo I participated
I plan to buy after it is listed as opportunity will always be available when it is listed...my opinion

ositadima1:
You may personally prefer fundamental investing, and that is fine, but once you start labeling every other approach as gambling, you stop making sense. Not every non-fundamental play is automatically “olosho investment” or gambling.

OK.Let be truthful. If a newbie ask me now to recommend a stock to buy or let me say my wife who started investing this yr.Do you expect me to tell them to buy a stock like kpakus

Streetinvestor2:
On a serious note why do u guys feel every one will be interested in the ipo
For me I am no longer interested in any ipo because most of them showed me shage like all alhaji ipo I participated
I plan to buy after it is listed as opportunity will always be available when it is listed...my opinion

I would have preferred Alhaji listed the fertiliser separately as it is also a very big business, export oriented (could be worth $5 Billion presently) and it has way lesser politics.

Streetinvestor2:
OK.Let be truthful. If a newbie ask me now to recommend a stock to buy or let me say my wife who started investing this yr.Do you expect me to tell them to buy a stock like kpakus

Is trading or investing for everybody? In your own business, where you know all the routes and connections, would you send a complete beginner to run it without proper training?

GeneralDae:
I would have preferred Alhaji listed the fertiliser separately as it is also a very big business, export oriented (could be worth $5 Billion presently) and it has way lesser politics.

Are they now planning to join everything together

Just stepping back... The discussion we're having is about how retail investors in Naija can manage downside risk when they invest in a stock that lacks fundamental support. Doing so would allow safe TA-driven investing.

ositadima1 suggested a few approaches, like position sizing -- that is, limiting your exposure to said stock. If the stock collapses, your downside is this capped by your investment amount.

I agreed but thought it was not as effective as other approaches available in other markets. Hedging -- buying puts for insurance -- would allow the investor to increase his exposure to the stock while capping his downside. You can buy as many puts as your investment requires. But that is not an option in Naija.

That's obvious, but ositadima1 is in a pugilistic mood today in his defense of technical analysis and he no wan gree.

Agbalowomeri:
Please interpret

HesInMe:
Just stepping back... The discussion we're having is about how retail investors in Naija can manage downside risk when they invest in a stock that lacks fundamental support. Doing so would allow safe TA-driven investing.

ositadima1 suggested a few approaches, like position sizing -- that is, limiting your exposure to said stock. If the stock collapses, your downside is this capped by your investment amount.

I agreed but thought it was not as effective as other approaches available in other markets. Hedging -- buying puts for insurance -- would allow the investor to increase his exposure to the stock while capping his downside. You can buy as many puts as your investment requires.

That's obvious, but ositadima1 is in a pugilistic mood today in his defense of technical analysis and he no wan gree.

It is obvious that TA is far more stressful and tasking than FA with all these French you guys speak in it..lol

HesInMe:
Just stepping back... The discussion we're having is about how retail investors in Naija can manage downside risk when they invest in a stock that lacks fundamental support. Doing so would allow safe TA-driven investing.

ositadima1 suggested a few approaches, like position sizing -- that is, limiting your exposure to said stock. If the stock collapses, your downside is this capped by your investment amount.

I agreed but thought it was not as effective as other approaches available in other markets. Hedging -- buying puts for insurance -- would allow the investor to increase his exposure to the stock while capping his downside. You can buy as many puts as your investment requires. But that is not an option in Naija.

That's obvious, but ositadima1 is in a pugilistic mood today in his defense of technical analysis and he no wan gree.

What are you putting and pugilisticing

Streetinvestor2:
It is obvious that TA is far more stressful and tasking than FA with all these French you guys speak in it..lol

When you have small capital, use TA and trade

When you have sizeable capital, go FA and invest

HesInMe:
Just stepping back... The discussion we're having is about how retail investors in Naija can manage downside risk when they invest in a stock that lacks fundamental support. Doing so would allow safe TA-driven investing.

ositadima1 suggested a few approaches, like position sizing -- that is, limiting your exposure to said stock. If the stock collapses, your downside is this capped by your investment amount.

I agreed but thought it was not as effective as other approaches available in other markets. Hedging -- buying puts for insurance -- would allow the investor to increase his exposure to the stock while capping his downside. You can buy as many puts as your investment requires. But that is not an option in Naija.

That's obvious, but ositadima1 is in a pugilistic mood today in his defense of technical analysis and he no wan gree.

ositadima1:
But that is the idea. Wherever you find yourself, whether in Nigeria or the U.S. stock market, position sizing is a fundamental part of risk management.

There are always uncertainties, and position sizing is one way to manage them. Why does that seem “blunt” to you? Do you go all in on your fundamentally sound stocks? Why do you guys maintain portfolios of multiple stocks?

You avoided this because…?

ositadima1:
What exactly is the meaning of this post and the big mocking banner that follows it? What is the writer trying to imply? I’m not attacking you ooo, I’m just trying to understand the point being made.

You can also do same by telling people to use TA when they want to buy stocks.

pluto09:
You can also do same by telling people to use TA when they want to buy stocks.

That is the point, I respect alternative approaches; I don’t mock them.

I like both of them

Teenaira:
I have 2 ogas back then. One will say it is what a bird eats that it will fly with. The second will say birds should be eating small small because if the bird is overfilled it will even not be able to fly at all

ositadima1:
That is the point, I respect alternative approaches; I don’t mock them.

Osita, that Papa won't stop to live in the 1960s, so it's futile trying to let him see things differently....😊

I wonder why most of his defenders and sheep won't see the mockery in his posts.....

He would have thought he's mocking traders not knowing he's mocking himself and downgrading himself.

It's a known fact that TA makes more money than FA......while SA makes much more....
Now, because of one or two out of many, he started displaying ignorance publicly....but claiming intelligence.

Stop arguing with them, he's brainwashed them already, so they won't reason differently no matter how you try...from the look of things.....😊

yMcy56:
Osita, that Papa won't stop to live in the 1960s, so it's futile trying to let him see things differently....😊

I wonder why most of his defenders and sheep won't see the mockery in his posts.....

He would have thought he's mocking traders not knowing he's mocking himself and downgrading himself.

It's a known fact that TA makes more money than FA......while SA makes much more....
Now, because of one or two out of many, he started displaying ignorance publicly....but claiming intelligence.

Stop arguing with them, he's brainwashed them already, so they won't reason differently no matter how you try...from the look of things.....😊

Only you..
Old papa of 1960
Sheep
Brain wash

I beg to ask, you follow for people way dey make money for this TA matter
Or still show us this una members for this thread make I follow laugh.
Una way no fit clear common 10 m offer for that company. Abeg give us another emotionally post

yMcy56:
Osita, that Papa won't stop to live in the 1960s, so it's futile trying to let him see things differently....😊

I wonder why most of his defenders and sheep won't see the mockery in his posts.....

He would have thought he's mocking traders not knowing he's mocking himself and downgrading himself.

It's a known fact that TA makes more money than FA......while SA makes much more....
Now, because of one or two out of many, he started displaying ignorance publicly....but claiming intelligence.

Stop arguing with them, he's brainwashed them already, so they won't reason differently no matter how you try...from the look of things.....😊

What is SA?