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Dalohad:
I am a Medical scientist and there are certain things in medical science that actually confirm the existence of God and strengtens one's faith in God.

The universe is too organised and ordered that it cannot be without a divine existential organiser- God.

~ Dalohad

What did you see in medical science that confirm your god? I'm waiting

TenQ:
It is understandable as an Atheist: gratefulness for divine help received may be alien to you.

Those who tap their emotional and spiritual support from above are grateful to their support and give thanks.

For you, lets even assume that God helped you in a particular surgery, you wouldn't see it as that. You will see it from the point of view central upon WHAT YOU DID CORRECTLY!

So with all you have said,why is morbidity and mortality higher in Nigeria, a prayerful country than less prayerful countries like UK,US,NZ etc?
I thought u r smart TenQ but then you're a Christian....

Babbyad:
I just sent you a mail...

Unfortunately I can't access your email

Image123:
Music has an important connection with brain surgery, especially surgery involving areas responsible for language, movement, memory, and hearing.
It's possible for doctors to use it, it's not necessarily what you're thinking except it's stated.

There's no connection. Talk another lie

eagleonearth:
Hello sir J, if not that being a born again child of God is a miracle that only God can work, I would have been surprised that any physician is not a child of God! Honestly I did not pay attention to life and how it worked as a teenager and even in my early years of adulthood. This is the reason I smoked like I was on an assignment to fry my lungs and brain. I drank like I had an approved proposal to melt my kidneys! I ate junks and was damaging a complex machine like the human body. However, I learnt early in life as a teenager to drink a lot of water especially first thing every morning. I guess that toned down the damaging effect of this harmful substances I kept ingesting. Smoking later dealt me a heavy blow in my campus days and I nearly died one night in my lodge when I found it hard to inhale after exhaling. I struggled to breathe!! I quickly made God a hasty promise to stop smoking if only he could allow me see the next morning. Of course he answered that prayer in the affirmative and that is why I'm here. I later broke that vow and smoked again! It may interest you to know that I was asthmatic growing up (my dad called it Bronchitis) and whenever I entered crisis period, I skipped school as a primary/basic pupil. In crisis period, I struggled to breathe all day and someone poles apart could hear the wheezing sound of my partially blocked airways. It was hell. I was banned from eating delicacies my siblings enjoyed like fried plantain, buns, etc. My dad spent thru his nose to get me healed even seeking the services of eminent physicians. I had a lunch bag of bitter pills and was given countless injections! The illness was adamant till I got miraculously healed by God. You know at some point I discarded my pills bag because some of those pills were so bitter and nauseating yet gave me no relief. I am sorry to bore you with a piece of my life sir J but I felt it necessary to do. Fast-forward to today after like 3 decades, I now have the healthiest life any man can have as I am no longer involved in smoking and heavy/binge-drinking. I now feed well and exercise to appreciate God for the good health he has restored to me. I take good care of my body now. When, as a layman, I think about the complexity of the human body: the neurones, the six senses, electric signals to cns/brain, the oxygenated blood carrying blood vessels, blood flow, marrows in the bone, every organ and cell on autopilot! the heart that has been beating for almost my 4 decades on earth (approximately 1.7 billion heartbeats so far), the memory that makes me remember events that took place when I was less than 10yrs and many others, I simply fall down flat on my face in my bedroom to worship this great Artist that made the human life possible! I research a lot and the more I research the more I appreciate this great Artist. Man is a masterpiece and life is a mystery. No wonder David screamed that he was fearfully and wonderfully made in psalm 139 vs 14. Those who are quick to claim lives cannot even manufacture a crayon! Devastating! So as an atheist sir, who do you think made this wonderful universe and the masterpiece called man? I mean, you physicians should be at the frontiers of appreciation to the great God. Those Christian team of surgeons were simply allowing God be God in the midst of a great task that can come out 50/50. Praises and appreciation to the great God who is the OEM should never cease. A great and unforgettable neurosurgeon like Benjamin Solomon Carson appreciates this great Artist and has pledged allegiance to Him forever, he even openly professed God's guidance in all feats he achieved as a neurosurgeon. Every physician should follow suit. My simple prayer for you is that this great God enables you to see who is behind this great work of art!

Shalom!

A painstakingly long read
So u had chronic bronchitis with asthma which resolved spontaneously even though you had been on meds? Do you know the amount of people that had spontaneous healing DESPITE NOT PRAYING TO ANY GOD?
Also about creation,we doctors know the amount of errors in the human body. Are you awsre your body is constantly making errors daily and these errors culminate in cancers?
Ok,let's talk about human design. Are you aware we are so poorly designed? Our food enters the same passage as air and any mistake can result in instant death,and millions have choked to death. Also the birth canal(vagina) is near to the anus. If u witness any birth,u will see many babies covered with poo. Your mom prolly pooped on you as he gave birth. Also some organs in the body are useless and cause problems for us,example is appendix.
Now let's talk about the earth. This piece of rock is mostly water,but only a tiny fraction is fit to drink. Natural disasters are happening daily.
I can go on but I'm not long winded like you
Long and short, the body is not a wonderful piece,neither is the earth wonderful.

jaephoenix:
So with all you have said,why is morbidity and mortality higher in Nigeria, a prayerful country than less prayerful countries like UK,US,NZ etc?
I thought u r smart TenQ but then you're a Christian....

Everyone must die through one means or the other.

BUT THEN
Who told you that it is God's job to prevent people from dying?
Except by mercy, when its your time, you go: prayer or no prayer.


By the way, using your own argument:
Why are there daily mortalities in the most advanced hospitals in UK, USA. Germany, France, NZ and China?







As a digression, I have a question!
I saw a video of a newborn baby. He came out with eyes opened and looking about the delivery ward (the lights seem too bright for it).

Then I wondered:
How did the eyes got prepared in 9 months for what wasn't needed in the womb (sight) but needed outside.


So, my question :
How far can we project evolution?
Is it up to the atoms that make up molecules or to the big bang?

WHY?: It seems information written continuously continued to grow till the full DNA as we know it have been developed.

kwubisjubis:
I have come to the realisation that to know who God really is, you need to be well educated, well traveled and have some experiences beyond your local environment. The case of Artemis 11 comes to mind. For those that attribute their successes to their abilities have really not gone beyond their localities.

And I pity them.🥹🥹

What about Artemis

TenQ:
Everyone must die through one means or the other.

BUT THEN
Who told you that it is God's job to prevent people from dying?
Except by mercy, when its your time, you go: prayer or no prayer.


By the way, using your own argument:
Why are there daily mortalities in the most advanced hospitals in UK, USA. Germany, France, NZ and China?







As a digression, I have a question!
I saw a video of a newborn baby. He came out with eyes opened and looking about the delivery ward (the lights seem too bright for it).

Then I wondered:
How did the eyes got prepared in 9 months for what wasn't needed in the womb (sight) but needed outside.


So, my question :
How far can we project evolution?
Is it up to the atoms that make up molecules or to the big bang?

WHY?: It seems information written continuously continued to grow till the full DNA as we know it have grown.

So you have twisted the narration to Yhwh doesnt keep from dying? Don't you christians disturb us with 'testimonies' how your god saved your asses from death? Why turn it around now?

The mortality rates in Nigeria is far higher than those countries you listed,in every age group both under 5,maternal,fetal and geriatric mortalities. Dont even go there
Even the life expectancy of Nigeria is low compared to them. We have life expectancy of 54 years while they have up to 90 years.
So park well with your useless prayers

The human eye cannot comprehend visual impulses. Meaning that the brain isnt specialized enough to interprete visual cues even though the baby is 'seeing'. So in all intents and purposes, they are blind. There are many organs that start growing in the womb but are still 'useless' at birth like genitals etc. In fact the brain keeps on growing after birth to accommodate more visual cues
About evolution, its quite predictable up to a point. We cant 100% predict it
And evolution has nothing to do with big bang. I dont know what is your christians problem. Simply research basic concepts before engaging on them

rightminds:
The truth is that, those who have been atheist centuries before you have died and gone but the God they rejected is still here and will forever be. God yesterday, today and forever more! When you cross to the other side, the reality will be done on you but it will be too late to regret.

If i ask you how you know, your god exists and proof of 'the other side',all I'll hear is nonsense

Iseddy:
Mr. Atheist can you create life? Can you raise the dead? Don't worry when you encounter the holy spirit you'll understand that truly there's a supreme being called God.

Yes I can create life with my sperm. I can raise the dead to an extent through my training as a doctor. Now show me proof your sky daddy can do any of those,Mr.Christian and please dont tell me its your god that created medical science cos that lie don cast. Doesn't work again. Think up of more reasonable lies

themanderon:
Only a fool says in his heart there is no God.
With all the evidence that abounds around you everyday you still continue to live a lie? I pray the Lord has mercy on you so you can see the reality of his existence.

...and the wise man shouts out that there is no god.
So which evidence of your god are we talking about here

Greenfusion:
God is not a respecter of anyone, he says i would bless who i say i would bless, he would show mercy to whomever he pleases...with or without prayer......Whether people die after prayers doesn't change who God is......HE IS.....whether u choose to believe or not.

Good. So if your god works wonders with or without prayers,why does he encourage you guys to pray to him?

MightySparrow:
Good. I like to learn. Israel produced the most of Nobel Prizes in all fields 🏆then Christian world.
Just give me ten Muslim Nobel winners most especially in science. No, give in any field.


When it comes to maiming, beheading, stoning, banditry, Islam and Muslims are matchless.

I want you to know that huthis are marching on Saudi to capture the ka'aba.. The house of Allah being guarded by American soldiers.

https://kashmirlife.net/from-peace-to-physics-muslim-nobel-prize-winners-throughout-history-409066/
Read this
Before you start foaming from your mouth,I'm not a muslim just an atheist that hates poorly knowledgeable Christians

ScarletBrace:
You’ve been a physician for 20 years and yet haven’t confronted realities that point to the fact that what sustains life within a person aren’t 100% physical?


Abeg trash that 20 years experience for waste bin.


Atheist fire.

So prove me wrong,sir. Show me the realities that there are other non physical entities. I'm waiting...

MightySparrow:
Without the nigerian Christians, Saudi would be useless. Those days and even now, Nigerian doctors, nurses, other professionals troupe to these places because of bad economy by Muslim born - to - ruin military juntas. Even now, can you see what your Muslim brothers have turned Nigeria to? Can you compare the era of Jonathan and Matthew Obasanjo to what we had before or after? Even in the dark days of Buhari, the spell that Oshibajo did was different.
Islam ruined Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Sudan, Afghanistan, great peoples, great countries.

After WWII, Mustapha Kemal Artaturk refused to join league of Islamic nations and opted for Europe. Turkey today is different from other Islamic nations in development by their own citizens.

They refused unreasonable Islamic dogmas.

Go and get sense.
Al-quran is a text of destruction.

Pray tell,how did Christians or Christianity grow Saudi Arabia? Would like to know

jaephoenix:
So you have twisted the narration to Yhwh doesnt keep from dying? Don't you christians disturb us with 'testimonies' how your god saved your asses from death? Why turn it around now?

Yes, because God heals!
But we know that God doesn't stop all deaths!

jaephoenix:
The mortality rates in Nigeria is far higher than those countries you listed,in every age group both under 5,maternal,fetal and geriatric mortalities. Dont even go there
Even the life expectancy of Nigeria is low compared to them. We have life expectancy of 54 years while they have up to 90 years.
So park well with your useless prayers

Mortality is high because God intended us to use herbs and technology for solving our problems and not just prayers!
AND
Nigeria is not only technically backward, it is corrupt!

Thus, we are reaping exactly what we have planted.

jaephoenix:
The human eye cannot comprehend visual impulses. Meaning that the brain isnt specialized enough to interprete visual cues even though the baby is 'seeing'. So in all intents and purposes, they are blind. There are many organs that start growing in the womb but are still 'useless' at birth like genitals etc. In fact the brain keeps on growing after birth to accommodate more visual cues

No, babies are not born blind. Healthy newborns can see at birth, but their vision is very blurry, limited in range, and mostly in black, white, and shades of gray.

The point is that the eyes and the brain seem to have EVERYTHING it needs for proper sight irrespective of if the eyes "mature" through use or not.

I think the babies eyes is like giving a Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K cinematic camera to a novice: the production would be disappointing!

jaephoenix:
About evolution, its quite predictable up to a point. We cant 100% predict it
And evolution has nothing to do with big bang. I dont know what is your christians problem. Simply research basic concepts before engaging on them

You are not getting my point!

Evolution and big bang are not usually discussed in the same sentence. Evolution is discussed only AFTER the basic elementary DNA/RNA is set.

The theory of evolution traces life back to a last universal common ancestor with DNA/RNA-based genetics, a genetic code, ribosomes, and core metabolism that lived roughly about 2-4 billion years ago.

The theory assumes that the genetic codes continued to increase in size and complexity.

Atoms are the basic building block of everything. When did they combine enough with the right pattern to contain the right information we now call DNA/RNA/gene?


Every Useful Information must have these Five Parts
1. Information source : where the message originates.
2. An encoding of the message into some representational form,
3. A medium/platform to store or transmit that form,
4. A decoding mechanism that can reconstruct meaning, and
5. A target that can interpret and act on that meaning.

These definitely are not present in basic atoms or molecules however complex.
It is worse when you take it up to when no atom or molecule existed (just at big bang)







So, my question again:
How far can we project evolution?
Can we push it up to the atoms that make up molecules or to the big bang?

WHY?: It seems information written continuously continued to grow till the full DNA as we know it have grown.

TenQ:
Yes, because God heals!
But we know that God doesn't stop all deaths!




Mortality is high because God intended us to use herbs and technology for solving our problems and not just prayers!
AND
Nigeria is not only technically backward, it is corrupt!

Thus, we are reaping exactly what we have planted.




No, babies are not born blind. Healthy newborns can see at birth, but their vision is very blurry, limited in range, and mostly in black, white, and shades of gray.

The point is that the eyes and the brain seem to have EVERYTHING it needs for proper sight irrespective of if the eyes "mature" through use or not.

I think the babies eyes is like giving a Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K cinematic camera to a novice: the production would be disappointing!


You are not getting my point!

Evolution and big bang are not usually discussed in the same sentence. Evolution is discussed only AFTER the basic elementary DNA/RNA is set.

The theory of evolution traces life back to a last universal common ancestor with DNA/RNA-based genetics, a genetic code, ribosomes, and core metabolism that lived roughly about 2-4 billion years ago.

The theory assumes that the genetic codes continued to increase in size and complexity.

Atoms are the basic building block of everything. When did they combine enough with the right pattern to contain the right information we now call DNA/RNA/gene?


Every Useful Information must have these Five Parts
1. Information source : where the message originates.
2. An encoding of the message into some representational form,
3. A medium/platform to store or transmit that form,
4. A decoding mechanism that can reconstruct meaning, and
5. A target that can interpret and act on that meaning.

These definitely are not present in basic atoms or molecules however complex.
It is worse when you take it up to when no atom or molecule existed (just at big bang)







So, my question again:
How far can we project evolution?
Can we push it up to the atoms that make up molecules or to the big bang?

WHY?: It seems information written continuously continued to grow till the full DNA as we know it have grown.

1. Give me instances of those healings your god did
2. Yet same god says in the bible that WE SHOULD PRAY FOR ANYTHING
So despite all the prayers,Yhwh cannot fix Nigeria
Also you said your prayers work,yet hopsitals in Nigeria witness many deaths after operations where prayers are offered but advanced countries where surgeons rarely pray before ops have better outcomes. Make it make sense
3. Copying stuff from Google or chatgpt doesnt take the place of professionals. Read what I typed. I explained how their sight works. Their sights are not complete like when they are 3 or 4 months
And I wonder why you asked this question in the first place
4. Evolution simply talks about how humans change. It doesnt talk about atoms
There are many instances of evolution which happens in humans and animals
Example is our ppendix,tails,wisdom tooth etc. Those organs evolved

jaephoenix:
Why should I give thanks? Any reason? What's tbe benefits?

ok why should you live and reason , what's the benefits

jaephoenix:
1. Give me instances of those healings your god did

I am a good example
My late uncle who was blind is another

jaephoenix:
2. Yet same god says in the bible that WE SHOULD PRAY FOR ANYTHING

We tell God about EVERYTHING!
The good , the bad and the ugly!!

jaephoenix:
So despite all the prayers,Yhwh cannot fix Nigeria
Also you said your prayers work,yet hopsitals in Nigeria witness many deaths after operations where prayers are offered but advanced countries where surgeons rarely pray before ops have better outcomes. Make it make sense

It is neither God's duty to fix Nigeria
NOR
His duty to fix Nigerian hospitals.

We reap only what we have sown!

Do you cleanup your teenage children's room for them or you tell them to clean it up?

jaephoenix:
3. Copying stuff from Google or chatgpt doesnt take the place of professionals. Read what I typed. I explained how their sight works. Their sights are not complete like when they are 3 or 4 months
And I wonder why you asked this question in the first place

Agreed sight not perfect BUT they aren't blind!
That was why I used the cinematic camera as an example

jaephoenix:
4. Evolution simply talks about how humans change. It doesnt talk about atoms
There are many instances of evolution which happens in humans and animals
Example is our ppendix,tails,wisdom tooth etc. Those organs evolved

But there was a time when there was no life but atoms amd molecules isn't it.

This is the frontier I wanted you to push towards.

jaephoenix:
Neurosurgery is a specialty that is awesome. I wanted to specialize on it but when I realized the challenges involved,i backed out

Who made all this things available and workable and learnable ?

jaephoenix:
...and the wise man shouts out that there is no god.
So which evidence of your god are we talking about here

You will find out soon enough.

ogolemati:
ok why should you live and reason , what's the benefits

Is your god the reason I'm alive? No! Again,why should I give thanks
If you say he's the reason I'm alive then how come prayerful countries like Nigeria have the lowest life expectancy? Least Christian countries like Japan etc have higher life expectancy. So your god ignores those that pray to him and answers the prayers of those that ignore him? Make una dey think

TenQ:
I am a good example
My late uncle who was blind is another


We tell God about EVERYTHING!
The good , the bad and the ugly!!


It is neither God's duty to fix Nigeria
NOR
His duty to fix Nigerian hospitals.

We reap only what we have sown!

Do you cleanup your teenage children's room for them or you tell them to clean it up?



Agreed sight not perfect BUT they aren't blind!
That was why I used the cinematic camera as an example



But there was a time when there was no life but atoms amd molecules isn't it.

This is the frontier I wanted you to push towards.

1.You're an example of a miracle? How?
What about your blind late uncle? Telling me nebulous stories like this doesnt make sense. How are they miraculous?

2.You are misunderstanding me. The bible says we should pray for anything. ASK AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN TO YOU. THERE WERE NO TERMS AND CONDITIONS ATTACHED

3. Good. So its not God's duty to fix Nigeria. Lol 😆
So tell me who made this statement
◄ 2 Chronicles 7:14 ►
if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

And also why do pastors and every Christian pray for Nigeria? I know you do pray for Nigeria.So are you saying you're wasting time since its not your God's problem? Lol 😆

4.If u noticed I used quotes in the word blind meaning its not completely blind. We see with our brains not eyes. If the eyes are okay but the brain isnt,then sight wont be complete

5. Tbh,no scientist knows what happened before big bang. All we have are speculations. But big bang itself can be proven

lightwind:
Who made all this things available and workable and learnable ?

Who made what possible? Neurosurgery? That is science. And please keep your idea that it was your god in your pocket. So your god created science which turns around to deny his existence? So your god created medical science and still his own people the Christians still have to pay good money to access this medical science? Tell me,which one is easier, telling a sick person to go to a hospital, book an appointment AND PAY HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY RUNNING TO MILLIONS, wait for us the doctors to turn up,arrange the theater and book the anesthetists and other professionals, get the gas ready,put the patient under anesthesia(which might kill the patient) and finally cut through the brain(which might end up making the patient blind,unable to walk or even dead) OR healing someone outright and instantly? I hope you know neurosurgical interventions are 50-50. We give you a form to sign preoperatively that you are responsible for anything that happens to you and that we are exonerated from any blames or lawsuits.
When I say u christians are something else,I get called out

themanderon:
You will find out soon enough.

Oya waka comot for my face

jaephoenix:
Is your god the reason I'm alive? No! Again,why should I give thanks
If you say he's the reason I'm alive then how come prayerful countries like Nigeria have the lowest life expectancy? Least Christian countries like Japan etc have higher life expectancy. So your god ignores those that pray to him and answers the prayers of those that ignore him? Make una dey think

you lack wisdom,what is your business if the doctors give thanks to God.ist your thanks stay one side na .Cho Cho every time

ogolemati:
you lack wisdom,what is your business if the doctors give thanks to God.ist your thanks stay one side na .Cho Cho every time

My business here is the op is attributing the success of the op to a god,which is a lie. Of course Christians love lies so I'm not surprised

jaephoenix:
My business here is the op is attributing the success of the op to a god,which is a lie. Of course Christians love lies so I'm not surprised

I don't want them to ban me,ok you are angry at what the op did .and the op should be happy with your reasoning. Stay your lane oga no body cares about what your thoughts pattern are keep them to yourself

jaephoenix:
Oya waka comot for my face

You have been warned. You will not say on that day you weren't told

ogolemati:
I don't want them to ban me,ok you are angry at what the op did .and the op should be happy with your reasoning. Stay your lane oga no body cares about what your thoughts pattern are keep them to yourself

Right. So you are not keeping your thoughts to yourself but you want others to keep theirs to themselves? Typical Christian tactics to subjugate others
Keep your thought pattern to yourself too

themanderon:
You have been warned. You will not say on that day you weren't told

Oga you n your god should park one side or better still waka go hell

jaephoenix:
Oga you n your god should park one side or better still waka go hell

You will find yourself there soon enough if you don't repent and this same God you mock casts your soul into it. Keep mocking and disbelieving. Life is just finite.