^dont forget Edo pleace names.

@ belltwelve:

Interesting. It is possible. After all, Igbo words also has great similarities with Japanese words. Check out thess findings by Igbodefender.com
Source: http://www.igbodefender.com/blog/2012/07/25/interesting-similarities-of-the-spellings-of-igbo-and-anglicized-japanese-words/

If you were to compare any two languages, you 'll see tons of words that sound similar. But do they mean the same thing? Most of the list you provided do not have the same meaning. We have "Ẹdo" among Bini, and there is "Ẹdo" in Japan. Do they mean the same thing? I don't think so. The key is the "meaning" behind similar sounding words/name places.

Ohba- Japanese surname
Obah- Igbo surname (Oba is also an ancient Igbo royal title: one of the titles of the Anioma kings during the Moremi era was Oba Igbo)

The Igbo during the Mọremi saga are the Ugbo-Ilajẹ. They were originally in Ile-ifẹ before the "palace coup" forced them out to the riverine areas of the present day Yorubaland. It had nothing to do with "Anioma kings". Ugbo-Ilajẹ does not appreciate its history being usurped.

kabiyesiii:

The Saudi's idols are still there. The Kaaba is the repository of these idols and the pre-eminent idol is the Black Stone at Kaaba. As a muslim, you will bow down to kiss this baba dudu stone. Is that not "idol" worshiping?

This is a meteorite that fell from the sky, which the Arabs had been worshiping ever since, hundreds of years before Muhammad was born. Arabs, among others, preserve their idols but are telling you to get rid of yours. Who is mumu? Japanese, Chinese & Koreans are too smart for that.

By the way, the Russians are now selling their meteorites, same Black Stone, just fell from the sky some weeks ago. Fresh, 21st century Kaaba quality. Would that not be a personal one to have instead of the saliva galore one at Kaaba?

Religion is the cocaine of the ignorant. Unfortunately, many of whom are the educated blacks.

what is inside the kaaba?

Dudu_Negro:

what is inside the kaaba?

That is bullsh!t. No idols are left inside the Kaaba. all are destroyed. The Black stone is the only remnant of preislamic times but even that too has been broken into smaller fragments and cemented together. The Kaaba is one of the last survivng symbols of Paganism in Arabia. however the Kaaba of today is not the original aaba of pre-islamic times. only the foundations are original. The Kaabah was demolished and rebuilt many a times.

PAGAN 9JA:


That is bullsh!t. No idols are left inside the Kaaba. all are destroyed. The Black stone is the only remnant of preislamic times but even that too has been broken into smaller fragments and cemented together. The Kaaba is one of the last survivng symbols of Paganism in Arabia. however the Kaaba of today is not the original aaba of pre-islamic times. only the foundations are original. The Kaabah was demolished and rebuilt many a times.

LOL, Abraham and Ishmael were pagans?

maclatunji:

LOL, Abraham and Ishmael were pagans?

they were jews. abraham and ishmael have never been to the Kaaba. they lived in israel. even coming near the Kaaba wouldve been repulsive to them. + the Bedu wouldve probaby looted and stripped them nake.d if they ever came nearby.

btw why did you ban me for 3 yrs? its uncalled for.

PAGAN 9JA:


That is bullsh!t. No idols are left inside the Kaaba. all are destroyed. The Black stone is the only remnant of preislamic times but even that too has been broken into smaller fragments and cemented together. The Kaaba is one of the last survivng symbols of Paganism in Arabia. however the Kaaba of today is not the original aaba of pre-islamic times. only the foundations are original. The Kaabah was demolished and rebuilt many a times.

will you shut your trap and stop hyperventilating over issues you have no knowledge of?

Dudu_Negro:

will you shut your trap and stop hyperventilating over issues you have no knowledge of?

HEY SHUT UP STU.PID MAN! I HAVE BEEN TO SAUDI ARABIA AND THESE PLACES! I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON THERE! I KNOW A MEMBER OF THE AL-SAUD ROYAL FAMILY WHO HAS HAD ACCESS INSIDE THE KAABA!

STUP.ID AKATAS SPREADING RUMOURS AS USUAL! YOU LIARS SHOULD BE SHOT DEAD!

PAGAN 9JA:



they were jews. abraham and ishmael have never been to the Kaaba. they lived in israel. even coming near the Kaaba wouldve been repulsive to them. + the Bedu wouldve probaby looted and stripped them nake.d if they ever came nearby.

btw why did you ban me for 3 yrs? its uncalled for.

Dude, Abraham and Ishmael (AS) built the Ka'aba.

PAGAN 9JA:


HEY SHUT UP STU.PID MAN! I HAVE BEEN TO SAUDI ARABIA AND THESE PLACES! I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON THERE! I KNOW A MEMBER OF THE AL-SAUD ROYAL FAMILY WHO HAS HAD ACCESS INSIDE THE KAABA!

STUP.ID AKATAS SPREADING RUMOURS AS USUAL! YOU LIARS SHOULD BE SHOT DEAD!

i should slaughter your as** to use in altar offering to the ancestors. stupid kare!

booqee: But arabic coulda been borrowed from yoruba too. Don't you think its possible?? :-/

Osun bless you for that excellent rejoinder. Your answer is here, darling: https://www.nairaland.com/1218588/clarification-those-common-yoruba-words

ghostofsparta:

Osun bless you for that excellent rejoinder. Your answer is here, darling: https://www.nairaland.com/1218588/clarification-those-common-yoruba-words

dude, why are you creating a new thread to clarify what we are discussing here? bring your clarification here, this thread is educative and by adding your clarification to it you are adding value to the lessons.

Yoruba culture has an esoteric dimension to it and it's not Ifa. Ifa is the scripture or manuscript of God and creation and Ifa dwells repeatedly on the subject of IWA but it does not explain what Iwa is. To understand Iwa one has to observe the esoteric or mystical aspect of Yoruba customs and worship. The study of duality in nature and the attachment and significance of it to Yoruba culture should be explained using esoteric understanding.

Look at these two words ORUNMILA and IRUNMOLE..

Reduce both to their root consonants and you will end up with R-N-M-L. To those who are interested, go and study what R-M-L is. This is where the science of cosmogeny and atmosphere and environment will be found. There are two halves of a calabash, one is the base or container and the other is the lid or cover. It is the base for energy and force: the 1/0, the on/off, the male/female, the positive/negative, the left/right, the malevolent/benevolent, the proton/electron, the black/white.....and so on of paired polarities. Paired polarities are static and balanced and so you need a third force to induce animation or to give life and dynamism to the pair.

The presence of this third force is the action contained in R-M-L. It is expressed numerically as the 1-2-3 force. 1 representing GOD, 2 representing partnership or pairing and 3 representing outcome or result or net force or awareness or creativity or production..

IWA is the object of human worship. IWA is what in religion they term "righteousness", but in actuality righteousness is inadequate to fully define or qualify IWA. IWA is infinite and is immortal. A person may die and long after the passage the IWA is still alive . IWA is actually IHWH and the equivalent to the tetra YHWH.

Dudu_Negro:

dude, why are you creating a new thread to clarify what we are discussing here? bring your clarification here, this thread is educative and by adding your clarification to it you are adding value to the lessons.

Alagba, I just read this dude's rejoinder...this last part got me cracking

Rgp92:
Rgp92: Exodus from the Near East

According to recent research, the dynastic tradition of Oyo confirms the validity of the claim of the court traditionists (arokin) that the ancestral Yoruba emigrated from Syria-Palestine after the fall of the Assyrian Empire in 612 BCE. Owing to the assistance of the Egyptian army during their final struggle, the deported people from the eastern Assyrian provinces who had been resettled in the western provinces of the empire were able to follow the retreat of the Egyptians towards the Nile valley, whence they continued their flight to sub-Saharan Africa.[4]

His rejoinder....

ghostofsparta: I have heard and read many that are far worse than that ^ e.g. outrageous falsehoods that - resting in the supposedly undisturbed grove of bilikisu(an islamic name) is Queen Sheba and the utter nonsense that Odudua came from Mecca. The truth is that these and many other fallacies were crafted by Yoruba Islamists spin doctors who by distorting the genuine origin of the Yorubas thus re-planting it in semitic root knowing not only would such spurious lies appeal to Yoruba muslims converts who will be glad to welcome the thoughts that his Yoruba ancestors have some ancient linkage with the Arabs but also for the purpose of having it disseminated to the rest of the non-muslims Yorubas and christians.

Any genuine pagan Yoruba knows the truth as canonized from Ìfá

Imagine, with all the abundant evidences available and many more still waiting to be discovered, this dude still debunks the semitic interference in ancient Yoruba tradition. Firstly, may I tell you that I'm 740megawatts too. You should have noticed that, Alagba. Pyguru banned Tony Spike for 24 hrs...lol. Well, the truth there is that a few of my colleagues with whom I've discussed these new postulations never agreed with me too. Contemporary scholarship in Yoruba roots and origin needs to be intensified.

Do you believe that the Oyo empire kingship list cannot account for the timelines of 20 ancient Oyo kings (or Alaafins) before 1728 AD? This is enough to support the argument that they actually never existed. I just discovered this yesterday and now I think Dierk Lange has done a great work. Meanwhile, I believe people need to dig deeper - the answers to our origin are with us in Yorubaland staring at us - waiting to be discovered!

Dudu_Negro:

i should slaughter your as** to use in altar offering to the ancestors. stupid kare!

just try that useless half-bred man-worshippeR!

maclatunji:

Dude, Abraham and Ishmael (AS) built the Ka'aba.

SHOW ME THE PROOF! or else stop lieing on public forum. there is proof that the Pagans built and worshipped it but no proof that it was built by abraham and ishmael who never even came to this Pagan dominated area. Also abraham and ishmael were never mentioned in pre-islamic traditions. Also many smaller Kaaba like structures have been excavated elsewhere across Arabia. I myself have been to one such structure to view its foundations in an archaeological site in Bahrain. The idols of GODS found in the temple there, are now in the museum for research and display. so stop taking credit for what we Pagans built.

The Kaabah of Mecca was one of many Kaabahs that were branches of the Kaabah of Taif; It was of the same building style and had the same religious Pagan functions.


Ibn Abbas, the cousin of Mohammed, and one of the reporters of the tradition of Mohammed, called Hadith, speaks of two pilgrimages of the Quraish tribe. One of the journeys was to the city of Taif.
At Taif there was also a temple called Kaabah of Ellat, or Kaabah of the Sun. This Kaabah was more significant and much older than the Kaabah of Mecca. All Arabs, including the tribe of Quraish from which Mohammed came, venerated this Kaabah. The Kaabah of Taif was identical to the Kaabah of Mecca, and it had the same religious functions. Like the Kaabah at Mecca, it had a sacred valley where no animals or humans were allowed to be killed. (These places still exist along Arabia and are places of long-forgotten shrines/sacred groves called Hautas. Bedu do not kill rabbits here) The Kaabah of Taif had the same Sidaneh, or religious rituals, adopted by the Kaabah at Mecca. The Kaabah of Taif also had the Istar استار , a kind of dress to cover the sacred stones like we find at the Kaabah of Mecca. Both the Kaabah of Taif and the Kaabah of Mecca had a yard, or an area, which was inviolable. No one could cut its trees or hunt its animals. (Hauta. There is a Hauta today in Mughsin also) Anyone who entered there for refuge was protected. Both Kaabahs also had a well in which to put gifts.
In Hijaz, the region of western and central western Arabia where Mecca was built, there were many Kaabahs which were dependent on this main Kaabah. Was the Kaabah of Mecca just one branch of this famous Arabian Kaabah? It’s probable, for many factors point to that. First, the tribe of Tamim, which inhabited the city of Taif where this Kaabah was built, was of Yemeni origin. Second, the tribe of Tamim had preeminence over other tribes in the region, including the tribe of Quraish. We have already seen that the tribe of Tamim were judges for disputes among the Arabian tribes of the region. Third, the main door to the Kaabah at Mecca was called the “door of the sun worshippers,” which indicates the Kaabah of Mecca was, in particular, dedicated to the worship of the sun, just as was the Kaabah of Taif. However, this doesn’t mean that Allah was not worshipped as the Star, along with his daughters, al-'Uzza and Manat.
The tribe of Quraish, in particular, worshipped Ellat (Allat), the Sun. They had an idol dedicated to Ellat in a place called Nekhlah, which was part of a larger area called Suk Ukkath (or Ukkaz), or the market or fair of Ukkath. Ukkath is a place where many came, not just to trade, but also to conduct a Hajj, or pilgrimage. Since Ukkath housed the idol Ellat, and Ukkath was close to Mecca, people would visit Mecca after visiting Ukkath. There was also an idol of Ellat in the Kaabah of Mecca, but it was less impressive than the idol of Ellat at Ukkath.
All this suggests that there were connections between some of the Kaabahs of Hijaz, even though they were built by Yemeni tribes and leaders at various times in history. We assume the Kaabah of Taif was the leading Kaabah of the ones dedicated to the worship of Ellat, the sun. This could explain why the Quraish neglected the Kaabah of Mecca and participated in an annual religious trip with other worshippers of Ellat to the main Kaabah at Taif. Members of Arabian Star Family Worship were venerated in all the Kaabahs, such as Allah and his daughters, al-'Uzza and Manat. But it seems each Kaabah had a particular emphasis on the worship of one of the members of the Arabian Star Family.
As in the Kaabah of Mecca, the Kaabbah of Taif had a large Black Stone around which the people circled.[vii][7] The stone was the main element in Arabian Star Family Worship.
The Kaabah of Mecca was insignificant, even to the tribe of Quraish, until Mohammed imposed it as the exclusive place of worship for Muslims.

The tribe of Quraish continued to make two religious trips, or pilgrimages. One was to the northern Kaabah, which I discussed before, and the other was to the Kaabah of Taif. When Mohammed occupied Mecca, he came with a verse from the Qur’an, prohibiting his followers to make such trips. The Qur’an compelled them to worship only in the Kaabah of Mecca. The verse I'm referring to is found in Surah Quraish 106:1-3,
For the covenants by the Quraish, their covenant journeys by winter and summer, let them adore the lord of this house.
It is clear that the tribe of Quraish was to have two religious journeys, one in winter and one in summer. We understand from old Islamic resources that the journey of Quraish in summer was to Taif. But the Qur’an prohibited Mohammed’s followers from worshipping other lords in other Kaabahs. Worshippers were to express their adoration only in the Kaabbah of Mecca. All this demonstrates that, among the Kaabahs dedicated to Star Family Worship in Arabia, the Kaabah of Mecca was not an important Kaabah until Mohammed made his ruling. Instead, it was almost insignificant, even to the tribe of Quraish, which occupied Mecca after evicting the tribe of Khuzaa'h, the builders of the city and its Kaabah. The Kaabah at Mecca was important to the tribe of Khuzaa'h and to the tribe of Sufa, seemingly a branch of Khuzaa'h. Sufa was responsible for pagan ceremonies held in the mountains around Mecca. Such ceremonies were later incorporated into Islam by Mohammed, and became part of its pilgrimage.

Even the tribe of Quraish considered the Kaabah of Mecca as irrelevant. They preferred to go to Ukkath to worship Ellat, the sun, rather than restricting their worship to the Kaabah at Mecca. They considered the northern temple and the main temple dedicated to the worship of Ellat, that is the Kaabah of Taif, as the more important temples.
The Kaabah at Mecca was not Important to Other Arabian Tribes

Not only did the tribe of Quraish fail to hold the Kaabah at Mecca in esteem above the other Kaabahs, but many Arabian tribes felt the same way. We see that Thaqif, the main tribe of Taif, was not interested in preserving the Kaabah of Mecca. This was shown when Abraha, the Ethiopian, who controlled Yemen around 570 A.D., passed through Thaqif. They asked Abraha not to destroy their Kaabah, but instead to destroy the Kaabah in Mecca, because they knew his plans were to go there after occupying their city. This shows that the Kaabah of Mecca was not important to the Arabian tribes because it was originally the Kaabah belonging to one tribe, the tribe of Khuzaa'h which built Mecca. Hubol was called "Allah" before Venus took the title of "Allah" from the moon.

Quraish worshipped an idol belonging to another tribe, the tribe of Kinaneh. The idol was called “a companion or friend of Kinaneh.” Kinaneh then worshipped an idol called “companion of Quraish.” This deity was Hubal. Hubal was worshipped as the main shrine in the Kaabah at Mecca. Scholars think this shrine represented Allah, the head of Arabian Star Worship, whose wife was Ellat, the sun. This god, Hubal, was found in the Nabataean inscriptions as the god of the moon, and he was formed in the image of a man.
Scholars agree that Hubal, as the god of the moon, was the god of the Kaabah. For a certain period, he was also “Allah” for the inhabitants of Mecca. This was before Venus gained the title of Allah as the “great star.”

Tony Spike:

Alagba, I just read this dude's rejoinder...this last part got me cracking



His rejoinder....



Imagine, with all the abundant evidences available and many more still waiting to be discovered, this dude still debunks the semitic interference in ancient Yoruba tradition. Firstly, may I tell you that I'm 740megawatts too. You should have noticed that, Alagba. Pyguru banned Tony Spike for 24 hrs...lol. Well, the truth there is that a few of my colleagues with whom I've discussed these new postulations never agreed with me too. Contemporary scholarship in Yoruba roots and origin needs to be intensified.

Do you believe that the Oyo empire kingship list cannot account for the timelines of 20 ancient Oyo kings (or Alaafins) before 1728 AD? This is enough to support the argument that they actually never existed. I just discovered this yesterday and now I think Dierk Lange has done a great work. Meanwhile, I believe people need to dig deeper - the answers to our origin are with us in Yorubaland staring at us - waiting to be discovered!

i tjink he should join the crowd in here if he needs clarification or if he disagrees and want to challenge a post.

---------------------------------------------

i wasnt too sure but i wondered who 740 was and i thought to myself "a new truth seeker".! lol..

yes dierk lange did a fantastic job. i believe some of what we know as names may actually be titles. example : sango, arole.

is "oracle" derived from "oraca"? do u know?

PAGAN 9JA:


SHOW ME THE PROOF! or else stop lieing on public forum. there is proof that the Pagans built and worshipped it but no proof that it was built by abraham and ishmael who never even came to this Pagan dominated area. Also abraham and ishmael were never mentioned in pre-islamic traditions. Also many smaller Kaaba like structures have been excavated elsewhere across Arabia. I myself have been to one such structure to view its foundations in an archaeological site in Bahrain. The idols of GODS found in the temple there, are now in the museum for research and display. so stop taking credit for what we Pagans built.

The Kaabah of Mecca was one of many Kaabahs that were branches of the Kaabah of Taif; It was of the same building style and had the same religious Pagan functions.


Ibn Abbas, the cousin of Mohammed, and one of the reporters of the tradition of Mohammed, called Hadith, speaks of two pilgrimages of the Quraish tribe. One of the journeys was to the city of Taif.
At Taif there was also a temple called Kaabah of Ellat, or Kaabah of the Sun. This Kaabah was more significant and much older than the Kaabah of Mecca. All Arabs, including the tribe of Quraish from which Mohammed came, venerated this Kaabah. The Kaabah of Taif was identical to the Kaabah of Mecca, and it had the same religious functions. Like the Kaabah at Mecca, it had a sacred valley where no animals or humans were allowed to be killed. (These places still exist along Arabia and are places of long-forgotten shrines/sacred groves called Hautas. Bedu do not kill rabbits here) The Kaabah of Taif had the same Sidaneh, or religious rituals, adopted by the Kaabah at Mecca. The Kaabah of Taif also had the Istar استار , a kind of dress to cover the sacred stones like we find at the Kaabah of Mecca. Both the Kaabah of Taif and the Kaabah of Mecca had a yard, or an area, which was inviolable. No one could cut its trees or hunt its animals. (Hauta. There is a Hauta today in Mughsin also) Anyone who entered there for refuge was protected. Both Kaabahs also had a well in which to put gifts.
In Hijaz, the region of western and central western Arabia where Mecca was built, there were many Kaabahs which were dependent on this main Kaabah. Was the Kaabah of Mecca just one branch of this famous Arabian Kaabah? It’s probable, for many factors point to that. First, the tribe of Tamim, which inhabited the city of Taif where this Kaabah was built, was of Yemeni origin. Second, the tribe of Tamim had preeminence over other tribes in the region, including the tribe of Quraish. We have already seen that the tribe of Tamim were judges for disputes among the Arabian tribes of the region. Third, the main door to the Kaabah at Mecca was called the “door of the sun worshippers,” which indicates the Kaabah of Mecca was, in particular, dedicated to the worship of the sun, just as was the Kaabah of Taif. However, this doesn’t mean that Allah was not worshipped as the Star, along with his daughters, al-'Uzza and Manat.
The tribe of Quraish, in particular, worshipped Ellat (Allat), the Sun. They had an idol dedicated to Ellat in a place called Nekhlah, which was part of a larger area called Suk Ukkath (or Ukkaz), or the market or fair of Ukkath. Ukkath is a place where many came, not just to trade, but also to conduct a Hajj, or pilgrimage. Since Ukkath housed the idol Ellat, and Ukkath was close to Mecca, people would visit Mecca after visiting Ukkath. There was also an idol of Ellat in the Kaabah of Mecca, but it was less impressive than the idol of Ellat at Ukkath.
All this suggests that there were connections between some of the Kaabahs of Hijaz, even though they were built by Yemeni tribes and leaders at various times in history. We assume the Kaabah of Taif was the leading Kaabah of the ones dedicated to the worship of Ellat, the sun. This could explain why the Quraish neglected the Kaabah of Mecca and participated in an annual religious trip with other worshippers of Ellat to the main Kaabah at Taif. Members of Arabian Star Family Worship were venerated in all the Kaabahs, such as Allah and his daughters, al-'Uzza and Manat. But it seems each Kaabah had a particular emphasis on the worship of one of the members of the Arabian Star Family.
As in the Kaabah of Mecca, the Kaabbah of Taif had a large Black Stone around which the people circled.[vii][7] The stone was the main element in Arabian Star Family Worship.
The Kaabah of Mecca was insignificant, even to the tribe of Quraish, until Mohammed imposed it as the exclusive place of worship for Muslims.

The tribe of Quraish continued to make two religious trips, or pilgrimages. One was to the northern Kaabah, which I discussed before, and the other was to the Kaabah of Taif. When Mohammed occupied Mecca, he came with a verse from the Qur’an, prohibiting his followers to make such trips. The Qur’an compelled them to worship only in the Kaabah of Mecca. The verse I'm referring to is found in Surah Quraish 106:1-3,
For the covenants by the Quraish, their covenant journeys by winter and summer, let them adore the lord of this house.
It is clear that the tribe of Quraish was to have two religious journeys, one in winter and one in summer. We understand from old Islamic resources that the journey of Quraish in summer was to Taif. But the Qur’an prohibited Mohammed’s followers from worshipping other lords in other Kaabahs. Worshippers were to express their adoration only in the Kaabbah of Mecca. All this demonstrates that, among the Kaabahs dedicated to Star Family Worship in Arabia, the Kaabah of Mecca was not an important Kaabah until Mohammed made his ruling. Instead, it was almost insignificant, even to the tribe of Quraish, which occupied Mecca after evicting the tribe of Khuzaa'h, the builders of the city and its Kaabah. The Kaabah at Mecca was important to the tribe of Khuzaa'h and to the tribe of Sufa, seemingly a branch of Khuzaa'h. Sufa was responsible for pagan ceremonies held in the mountains around Mecca. Such ceremonies were later incorporated into Islam by Mohammed, and became part of its pilgrimage.

Even the tribe of Quraish considered the Kaabah of Mecca as irrelevant. They preferred to go to Ukkath to worship Ellat, the sun, rather than restricting their worship to the Kaabah at Mecca. They considered the northern temple and the main temple dedicated to the worship of Ellat, that is the Kaabah of Taif, as the more important temples.
The Kaabah at Mecca was not Important to Other Arabian Tribes

Not only did the tribe of Quraish fail to hold the Kaabah at Mecca in esteem above the other Kaabahs, but many Arabian tribes felt the same way. We see that Thaqif, the main tribe of Taif, was not interested in preserving the Kaabah of Mecca. This was shown when Abraha, the Ethiopian, who controlled Yemen around 570 A.D., passed through Thaqif. They asked Abraha not to destroy their Kaabah, but instead to destroy the Kaabah in Mecca, because they knew his plans were to go there after occupying their city. This shows that the Kaabah of Mecca was not important to the Arabian tribes because it was originally the Kaabah belonging to one tribe, the tribe of Khuzaa'h which built Mecca. Hubol was called "Allah" before Venus took the title of "Allah" from the moon.

Quraish worshipped an idol belonging to another tribe, the tribe of Kinaneh. The idol was called “a companion or friend of Kinaneh.” Kinaneh then worshipped an idol called “companion of Quraish.” This deity was Hubal. Hubal was worshipped as the main shrine in the Kaabah at Mecca. Scholars think this shrine represented Allah, the head of Arabian Star Worship, whose wife was Ellat, the sun. This god, Hubal, was found in the Nabataean inscriptions as the god of the moon, and he was formed in the image of a man.
Scholars agree that Hubal, as the god of the moon, was the god of the Kaabah. For a certain period, he was also “Allah” for the inhabitants of Mecca. This was before Venus gained the title of Allah as the “great star.”

The thing is Islam pre-dates idolatory. It is a fact that idolators do recognise the Supreme Being. However, they raise associates (idols) which they (wrongly) ascribe to Him.

Hence, finding idolators copying the Ka'aba is expected.

@ PAGAN 9JA:

I HAVE BEEN TO SAUDI ARABIA AND THESE PLACES! I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON THERE! I KNOW A MEMBER OF THE AL-SAUD ROYAL FAMILY WHO HAS HAD ACCESS INSIDE THE KAABA!

I never knew you're this gullible. What were you expecting your so called friend to tell you? Divulge to you a state secret because of who you are? Think! Think! Think!

Why don't you use the same Saudi contact to personally gain access to Kaaba? Well, I can assure you that you will be beheaded and you surely know that.

@ maclatunji:

The thing is Islam pre-dates idolatory. It is a fact that idolators do recognise the Supreme Being. However, they raise associates (idols) which they (wrongly) ascribe to Him.

Hence, finding idolators copying the Ka'aba is expected.

Your above argument is so weak, it is full of wishful thinking. How do you know that Islam predates idolatory?

In ancient Arabia, the sun-god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god, Allah. Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess and they both had three daughters. These daughters of Allah, who became goddesses, were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods, placed at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.

The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.

The name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god. =>> like “Ogun” in Ogunṣina

The moon god, Allah, was set up at the Kaaba along with all the other idols of the time. The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kaaba because that's where their gods and goddesses were located.

Do you know why the symbol of Islam is “the crescent moon and the star”? Because they represent the moon and the morning star, the planet Venus. These are two of the 360 deities of Arabia.

^If Adam was a Muslim, it kind of goes without saying that Islam predates idolatory. Whether you believe it or not is your choice. I don't have to type epistles. Do your research on my claims if you are so inclined.

As for the moon and star, we have the Ottoman Empire to thank for that.

maclatunji:


The thing is Islam pre-dates idolatory. It is a fact that idolators do recognise the Supreme Being. However, they raise associates (idols) which they (wrongly) ascribe to Him.

Hence, finding idolators copying the Ka'aba is expected.

dude there is no recorded evidence of islam before 600 AD!

Us Idolators recognise the Creator Force (which we by default usually take as the Supreme Being), but at the same time we recognise other Forces (GODS).

stop being deluded. the idols are just articles of worship and physical representations of the SPiritual realm andd help us to concentrate our prayers on the Gods. we do not worship the rock or wood, but what it represents.

what the heck you mean copying the Ka'bah? cant we build many shrines? why dos there have to be just on shrine? how will worshippers from tribes living as far as the Oman, Yemen, Trucial Coast, Bahrain ,etc., worship?

kabiyesiii: @ PAGAN 9JA:


I never knew you're this gullible. What were you expecting your so called friend to tell you? Divulge to you a state secret because of who you are? Think! Think! Think!

Why don't you use the same Saudi contact to personally gain access to Kaaba? Well, I can assure you that you will be beheaded and you surely know that.

Listen dude! dont waste my time. I am a Pagan and i am not allowed within Makkah.

Anyways , here is your proof:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlATSk7CvIw

maclatunji: ^If Adam was a Muslim, it kind of goes without saying that Islam predates idolatory. Whether you believe it or not is your choice. I don't have to type epistles. Do your research on my claims if you are so inclined.

As for the moon and star, we have the Ottoman Empire to thank for that.

adam did not exist! DO YOU HAVE PROOF>?!

PAGAN 9JA:


adam did not exist! DO YOU HAVE PROOF>?!

Of course, you are enough evidence.

maclatunji:

Of course, you are enough evidence.

Classic!

maclatunji:

Of course, you are enough evidence.

such a mumu! you are proof that you are descended from apes. see resemblance!

@ Kabiyessiii
History clearly states that the Igbos were the Aborigines of Ile Ife - FACT - so stop trying to rewrite history here.

Good job. On our history ...indeed .

[quote author=Muh'd Bashir]

Prove your point brother, what is the particular year of that point in history that you are talking about. The most certain thing is that the Arabs have been in existence in the Arabian pennisula for over one-thousand four-hundred years(i.e. the period in which Allah's final messenger lived). so, give us a date on the time through which Oduduwa lived.[/quote.
My Yoruba teacher didn't give us the specific place where Odua originated from. We were told it was somewhere in egypt or mecca. However, to me yoruba language is older than arabic. Take for instance Olohun/Olorun and Allahu names for God in yoruba and arabic respectively. You'll see that Allahu has no other literal translation except been 'God' whereas, Olorun/Olohun in yoruba can mean God and can also be translated as 'The owner of the Heavens'. If you ask me, Allahu is a corruption of the Yoruba 'Olorun/Olohun. I stand to be corrected though.

Before the time of Hykos in Egypt there had been influx of people from that part to Yorubaland; however they met ancient Atlantis people on ground- the Obatala, Orunmila, Agboniregun, Ogun, Irunmole. Phonicians, kushites, etc later joined around 50 AD before the coming of Oduduwa groups between 800-1100 AD from the East- Egypt & Sudan. Ugbo is not the thing with Igbo, Yoruba language is highly tonal, there are saveral Igbos- bush, hemp, head butt,group, etc.

Fulaman198: Good post, a lot of these words do make sense too, it's kind of scary how many West African languages have Arab loan words. It is also a bit sad at the same time.

this just proves that the west african nations have arabs in themselves, just like the english have people who descend from french speakers within their nation