Then, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. John 8:32.

Pls my brodas in christ let us b descent in wat we say even though we fil insulted,we shud nt stoop low 2 d level of insultin ur felow human cos Jesus wuld nt approve of that.
Now to harbiola,4 d remainin verses u were referin to d child to eat d fud was stil immanuel bt nt in d sense of eatin fud bt in d sense that he knowin gud 4rm evil.
Remember that in d early verses God told isaiah along wt im wc e did. In vs.16,anoda sign was given dat b4 d child wc s isaiah's child grew up ahaz wl overcome his enemies cos d promise of immanuel was for d salvatn of israel n was a long-term promise i.e to occur later in future bt ahaz n is pple needed an immediate deliverance 4rm their enemies,hence b4 isaiah's child grew up wc s in d nearest future n this did hapen in 2Kgs16vs.9. I hope this explains t to u. If u stil av any doubt,u can post dem.God loves u,God bles u
SHALOM

harbiola1:
Where did he answer it?
I didn't want to argue and that's why i left him with his false statement that Verse 15-16 wasn't refering to Ahaz.
But when i asked him a question about 15-16 u can see what he posted.
Then has he answered like that?

You can answer it if u're interested...

Shey u v seen that u v teee like dis eh.
How do u knw that verse 15-16 was nt refering to Ahaz? Who was it refering to?
How do u knw d correct answer? Are u an authority over d Bible?
I am not interested,its a futile effort,Emusan had done a fine job.
Chai,guy,you need to wakeup and stop misinterpreting d bible.

macof: This simply means that Christians are fools who don't understand their Bible upon the holy spirt. Such impotent spirit

Immanuel is not Jesus simple fact!

if u don't knw,emmanuel is jesus. read john 1:6-17. john mentioned jesus in verse 17. shalom

harbiola1: Then, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. John 8:32.

You do a great job, nobody can disapprove you, thks for let us know the truth

harbiola1: Isaiah 7:1-16 are the verses of the book of Isaiah in which Prophet Isaiah, addressing King Ahaz of Judah, promising the King Ahaz that God will destroy his enemies; as a sign that his Prophecy is a true one, Isaiah predicts that a Almah will shortly give birth to a child whose name will be Immanuel "God with us".
And that the threat from the enemy Kings will be ended before the child grows up.

HISTORICAL CONTEXT.
In the mid-8th Century BCE, the kingdom of Isreal (called Ephraim in Isaiah) and its ally Aram-damascus (or Syria) besieged Jerusalem to force King Ahaz of Judah into joining a coalition against Assyria, the aggresive "great power" to the North-East. Ahaz turned to Assyria itself for help, but although the Assyrians destroyed Syria and Ephraim, Judah became Assyrian vassal.

The history Isaiah was a Prophet in jerusalem during the reign of Ahaz and Hezekiah. The prophecy in these verses was delivered during the Joint Ephraimite-Syrian siege, but was probably written down during the Assyrian siege in the time of Ahaz and then revised again when Judah came into conflict with Babylon.

Isaiah 7:1-10.
Judah is faced with invasion by its Northern neighbours, Isreal (also called Ephraim) and Aram-Damascus(Syria).

But God instructs the Prophet Isaiah to tell King Ahaz that God will destroy Judah's enemy (Isaiah 7:1-10);

When Ahaz was king of Judah, Rezin, king of Syria and Pekah was king of Isreal, marched on Jerusalem, they were unable to prevail against it.
When the House of David was told that Syria had allied itself with Ephraim, their hearts and the hearts of their people trembled.
But the Lord said to Isaiah,
"God out to meet Ahaz, you and Shearjushub your Son. and say to him,
"Be firm and keep calm; The lord has said,
"It will not happen".

The Prophecy - Isaiah 7:11-16:


Prophet Isaiah approach king Ahaz to deliver God's message.


Isaiah delivers God's message to Ahaz and tells him to ask for a sign to confirm that this is a true Prophecy.


Ahaz refuses saying he will not test God.


Isaiah replied that Ahaz will have a sign whether he asks for it or not.



And Isaiah said the SIGN will be the birth of a child by a VIRGIN, and she shall call his name IMMANUEL "God is with Us".
First Sign would be the birth of a child by a Virgin whom will name her child Immanuel.


Second sign was that the child would be eating Curds and Honey till he is matured.



By the time the Infant (i.e Immanuel) learns to reject the bad and choose the good (i.e Before the child reach puberty). Isreal and Syria the opponent of King Ahaz will be destroyed.

QUESTION: DID GOD FULFIL HIS COVENANT WITH KING AHAZ? (I.E A VIRGIN BORNE A CHILD)

g....YES

This is a great news! That God is truly with us. It only takes a Spirit-filled fellow to say "Jesus is Lord"

Modified:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign,.... Whether they would ask one or not; a sign both in heaven and earth, namely, the promised Messiah; who being the Lord from heaven, would take flesh of a virgin on earth; and who as man, being buried in the heart of the earth, would be raised from thence, and ascend up into heaven; and whose birth, though it was to be many years after, was a sign of present deliverance to Judah from the confederacy of the two kings of Syria and Israel; and of future safety, since it was not possible that this kingdom should cease to be one until the Messiah was come, who was to spring from Judah, and be of the house of David; wherefore by how much the longer off was his birth, by so much the longer was their safety.

Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son; this is not to be understood of Hezekiah, the son of Ahaz, by his wife, as some Jewish writers interpret it, by observing that Hezekiah was nine years old when his father began to reign, and this being, as he says, the fourth year of his reign, he must be at this time thirteen years of age and besides, his mother could not be called a "virgin": and for the same reason it cannot be understood of any other son of his either by his wife, as Kimchi thinks, or by some young woman; moreover, no other son of his was ever lord of Judea, as this Immanuel is represented to be, in Isaiah 8:8 nor can it be interpreted of Isaiah's wife and son, since the prophet could never call her a "virgin", who had bore him children, one of which was now with him; nor indeed a "young woman", but rather "the prophetess", as in Isaiah 8:3 nor was any son of his king of Judah, as this appears to be, in the place before cited: but the Messiah is here meant, who was to be born of a pure virgin; as the word here used signifies in all places where it is mentioned, as Genesis 24:43 and even in Proverbs 30:19 which is the instance the Jews give of the word being used of a woman corrupted; since it does not appear that the maid and the adulterous woman are one and the same person; and if they were, she might, though vitiated, be called a maid or virgin, from her own profession of herself, or as she appeared to others who knew her not, or as she was antecedent to her defilement; which is no unusual thing in Scripture, see Deuteronomy 22:28 to which may be added, that not only the Evangelist Matthew renders the word by "a virgin"; but the Septuagint interpreters, who were Jews, so rendered the word hundreds of years before him; and best agrees with the Hebrew word, which comes from the root which signifies to[b] "hide" or "cover"[/b]; virgins being covered and unknown to men; and in the eastern country were usually kept recluse, and were shut up from the public company and conversation of men: and now this was the sign that was to be given, and a miraculous one it was, that the Messiah should be born of a pure and incorrupt virgin; and therefore a "behold" is prefixed to it, as a note of admiration; and what else could be this sign or wonder? not surely that a young married woman, either Ahaz's or Isaiah's wife, should be with child, which is nothing surprising, and of which there are repeated instances every day; nor was it that the young woman was unfit for conception at the time of the prophecy, which was the fancy of some, since no such intimation is given either in the text or context; nor did it lie in this, that it was a male child, and not a female, which was predicted, as R. Saadiah Gaon, in Aben Ezra, would have it; for the sign or wonder does not lie in the truth of the prophet's prediction, but in the greatness of the thing predicted; besides, the verification of this would not have given the prophet much credit, nor Ahaz and the house of David much comfort, since this might have been ascribed rather to a happy conjecture than to a spirit of prophecy; much less can the wonder be, that this child should eat butter and honey, as soon as it was born, as Aben Ezra and Kimchi suggest; since nothing is more natural to, and common with young children, than to take down any kind of liquids which are sweet and pleasant.

And shall call his name Immanuel; which is, by interpretation, "God with us", Matthew 1:23 [/b]whence it appears that the Messiah is truly God, as well as truly man: the name is expressive of the union of the two natures, human and divine, in him; of his office as Mediator, who, being both God and man, is [b]a middle person between both; of his converse with men on earth, and of his spiritual presence with his people. John 1:14.

@OP, great job

That's the Issue I have with this P.I.G.S. Face your Religion. Stop trying to Justify Non sense. Serve your GOD the way you want. Stop Wasting your Life typing Gibberish. Its people like you that start bombing churches, be heading and Suicide bombing......Cos you have nothing to offer .Mind your business. Long Live ISREAL. I Serve the God of Israel.

adonismuller: The problem of thIs world especially Nigeria is religion,see how ppl are insulting theirselves cuz of something written before their father was born.


But why won't Christians let muslims be and muslims let Christians be?

And why should Seun allow these kinda comments and threads?

Last bullet: wish there was nothing like religion

. I wonder oh I guess he's a muslim extremist.

It is written that you will never change scoffers. This is one. How would the OP understand spiritual things when he is canaly minded and myopic . It doesn't matter any explanation there would still be next questions.
Keep away from such cos God is not calling them Infact everybody to repentance now.

harbiola1: Answer:

Yes! God fulfilled his covenant with King Ahaz but a Virgin never give birth to a baby because God was not talking about a virgin. The word that Prophet Isaiah used is Almah(A Young Lady) with no connotation to Virginity.
In Hebrew, Almah has always means "Young lady"
while Betulah means "Virgin".
The opposite gender of Almah (Young lady) in Hebrew is Elem (Young boy).

The ghost author of Matthew 1:22-23 fraudulently translated the Hebrew word "Young lady" (Almah) in Isaiah 7-14 to to Greek word "Virgin" (Pantheon) and shamelessly used it to blaspheme God that God has come to dwell among them.

Immanuel doesn't literally mean "God with Us" like some ignorance people are using it today.

Jesus was borne of by a Virgin Mary while Immanuel was borne by either Prophet Isaiah's wife or his daughter.
In either way, the real Immanuel was not borne by a Virgin.

STOP BLASPHEMING THE NATURE OF GOD; JESUS IS NOT GOD

Why your Answer is Ultimately Wrong
Your theory is that of the Jewish commentators. Originally, they suggested that the mother was Abi, the wife of Ahaz (2 Kings 18:2), and the son Hezekiah, who delivered Judah from the Assyrian power (see Justin, 'Dial. cum Tryphon.,' p. 262). But this was early disproved by showing that, according to the numbers of Kings (2 Kings 16:2; 2 Kings 18:2), Hezekiah was at least nine years old in the first year of Ahaz, before which this prophecy could not have been delivered (Isaiah 7:1). The second suggestion made identified the mother with Isaiah's wife, the "prophetess" of Isaiah 8:3, and made the son a child of his, called actually Immanuel, or else his son Maher-shalal-hash-baz (Isaiah 8:1) under a symbolical designation. But ha-'almah, "the virgin," would be a very strange title for Isaiah to have given his wife, and the rank assigned to Immanuel in Isaiah 8:8 would not suit any son of Isaiah's. It remains to regard the 'almah as "some young woman actually present," name, rank, and position unknown, and Immanuel as her son, also otherwise unknown (Cheyne). But the grand exordium, "The Lord himself shall give you a sign - Behold!" and the rank of Immanuel (Isaiah 8:, are alike against this.

From your findings you were not even sure of ur assertions. It informs us that you are basically not intrested in the light but looking for a way to put the light off. You are the same as Herod in Jesus' time. He failed! Be warned. You are threading the path of failure too.

Again, [size=16pt]Jesus is Lord![/size]

Beautiful OP! And well detailed.

Unfortunately Emusan didn't do a good job disproving the op's contentions. The OP explained in very clear terms and reproduced the relevant bible passages, that the virgin birth was actually a sign to king Ahaz, a sign in such times of distress and proof of God's power.

Isaiah 7:10-17 is a conversation between the Prophet Isaiah and King Ahaz on a pressing issue. The King refuses to test God (as Gideon and others have done) yet Prophet Isaiah addresses him as House of David. The house of David does not refer to modern Christians, nor all the Jews, but the royal line, to King Ahaz who can directly trace his bloodline to King David! (As a Synecdoche)

The child's growth and maturity become a yardstick of God's power and strength and how quickly he would destroy King Ahaz's ememies. The child signifies a promise to King Ahaz. The child is relevant to King Ahaz as measure to assess God's fulfilment of His promise.

The OP clearly makes good sense and the verses flow coherently.

Emusan's argument rather sees the House of David as the entire Judah when such a view is inconsistent with fact that Christianity is for the Gentiles as well. Also, Emusan has forgot that the House of David is the rightful King of Israel, Judah could not have been the House of David.

The worst part of Emusan's argument is contending that the conversation between Isaiah and Ahaz abruptly ended at verse 13 and began again at verse 15 without accounting for the gap and loss in communication. Like it is a convo between two schizophrenics.

Whereas if the whole chapter is read together as a single story coherently, it flows with the Op version.

hotwax: is all these bashing because of Xmas? I can sense jealous here. No matter what you do, Xmas is not gonna stop. Your Mohammed acknowledged Jesus as pure without sin. You are here arguing with Mohamed. You don't even believe ur Qur'an. A hypocrite

Yh because Mohammed was trying to get Christian converts so he played along as the Christians were proclaiming Yesha/Isah as a Pure man without sin

The origin of Xmas has nothing to do with christianity or yesha.
Xmas is the day dedicated to Zeus

Have u ever asked urself why a day that wasn't the birthdate of yesha is used to celebrate his birth?

Read into the origin of XMas u would know

adonismuller: The problem of thIs world especially Nigeria is religion,see how ppl are insulting theirselves cuz of something written before their father was born.


But why won't Christians let muslims be and muslims let Christians be?

And why should Seun allow these kinda comments and threads?

Last bullet: wish there was nothing like religion

Exactly
Religion has brought nothing but division and hatred amongst The nations of Africa
Religion is really drawing us backward

#SAY NO TO RELIGION

as much as i disagree with the process of the opinion, the person who knows a child most is the parent. Mary did not call her son Emmanuel. this is the end of the story. she alone is responsible for the full care of her son under the Mercy of God. she called him Jesus. so were those around her. he [as] didn't grow up and adopted the name. He lived his life as a prophet of God being a man approved by God with signs and wonders and he worshiped God Almighty. in the life he led there is message for those who are truly reflective; God is Creator of all and Only He all must worshiped, by prophets and those in his prophetic time, imitating the prophet [as].

i am in the time of Muhammad [SA], therefore, i am a muslim in the tradition of Muhammad [SA]. if were before Muhammad, but between the start of the prophetic office and before the the beginning of that of Muhammad [SA], if i heard of Jesus [AS] i will follow him as his disciples did before any deviation. If i were before both [AS] but in the time of Moses [AS], it will be Moses [AS] that i would follow, his brand of full submission to God, and observed all his ritualistic prayers and give alms in charity, openly and privately, fasting along with him [AS]. if i were before each, i will follow the prophetic office holder [AS] of my time. this is true guidance.

life is very short. i just lost a friend thursday in alabama, few hours after our early morning call. all the dreams he had of owning his own financial house, etc ended when death came. no one is guaranteed the future; be it the next moment, second, minute, hour, day, week, month, season, year, decade, score or getting old enough to become like a baby, again. we should not let satan in his deception sway us away from the Path that God ordained on man, from Adam [AS] to the last man. this Path is the only path that leads to ultimate success with God. i seek the Mercy of God and i submit or pray to no one except He, Allah The Only True Sovereign.

noblefada: Guess your question was not answered because its irrelevant and we are not ready to waste our time answering irrelevant stuff. Shalom

no, its very relevant because the OP just said everything with no room for doubt. Its time u read "Age of reasoning" by - THOMAS PAYNE

OlaoChi:

Exactly
Religion has brought nothing but division and hatred amongst The nations of Africa
Religion is really drawing us backward

#SAY NO TO RELIGION

poor knowledge on history is keeping you blind.

The bible is not another text book you read to pass exams. Your topic shows you lack understanding of the word of God.

RoyPCain: as much as i disagree with the process of the opinion, the person who knows a child most is the parent. Mary did not call her son Emmanuel. this is the end of the story. she alone is responsible for the full care of her son under the Mercy of God. she called him Jesus. so were those around her. he [as] didn't grow up and adopted the name. He lived his life as a prophet of God being a man approved by God with signs and wonders and he worshiped God Almighty. in the life he led there is message for those who are truly reflective; God is Creator of all and Only He all must worshiped, by prophets and those in his prophetic time, imitating the prophet [as].

i am in the time of Muhammad [SA], therefore, i am a muslim in the tradition of Muhammad [SA]. if were before Muhammad, but between the start of the prophetic office and before the the beginning of that of Muhammad [SA], if i heard of Jesus [AS] i will follow him as his disciples did before any deviation. If i were before both [AS] but in the time of Moses [AS], it will be Moses [AS] that i would follow, his brand of full submission to God, and observed all his ritualistic prayers and give alms in charity, openly and privately, fasting along with him [AS]. if i were before each, i will follow the prophetic office holder [AS] of my time. this is true guidance.

life is very short. i just lost a friend thursday in alabama, few hours after our early morning call. i seek the Mercy of God and i submit or pray to no one except He, Allah The Only True Sovereign.

Just talking meaninglessly,as usual.
Was it Mary's idea to cal the Baby Jesus? Was it not the angel of God that told her the Name Jesus?
And didnt the Angel say that He will be called emmanuel too?smh...
#hints=Matthew 1:22-24.

RoyPCain: as much as i disagree with the process of the opinion, the person who knows a child most is the parent. Mary did not call her son Emmanuel. this is the end of the story. she alone is responsible for the full care of her son under the Mercy of God. she called him Jesus. so were those around her. he [as] didn't grow up and adopted the name. He lived his life as a prophet of God being a man approved by God with signs and wonders and he worshiped God Almighty. in the life he led there is message for those who are truly reflective; God is Creator of all and Only He all must worshiped, by prophets and those in his prophetic time, imitating the prophet [as].

i am in the time of Muhammad [SA], therefore, i am a muslim in the tradition of Muhammad [SA]. if were before Muhammad, but between the start of the prophetic office and before the the beginning of that of Muhammad [SA], if i heard of Jesus [AS] i will follow him as his disciples did before any deviation. If i were before both [AS] but in the time of Moses [AS], it will be Moses [AS] that i would follow, his brand of full submission to God, and observed all his ritualistic prayers and give alms in charity, openly and privately, fasting along with him [AS]. if i were before each, i will follow the prophetic office holder [AS] of my time. this is true guidance.

life is very short. i just lost a friend thursday in alabama, few hours after our early morning call. i seek the Mercy of God and i submit or pray to no one except He, Allah The Only True Sovereign.

Why do u people call Servants of Jehovah muslims?

Moses and Jesus would rejects u because u are not Israelite and your God is not Jehovah

Scripture: Luke 1:26-38
26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel
was sent from God to a city of Galilee
named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin
betrothed to a man whose name was
Joseph, of the house of David; and the
virgin's name was Mary. 28 And he came
to her and said, "Hail, O favored one, the
Lord is with you!" 29 But she was greatly
troubled at the saying, and considered in
her mind what sort of greeting this might
be. 30 And the angel said to her, "Do not
be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor
with God. 31 And behold, you will
conceive in your womb and bear a son,
and you shall call his name Jesus.......d passage was fulfilled....even d Quran gave respect to Yisa.....
Is 7:14
'Therefore the
Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold,
a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and shall call his name Imman'u-el.'
Have u seen a virgin giving birth b4,Mary was a rare case......
When God promised abraham dat he'll be d father of all nations;did Abraham giv birth to every1?....no;he had only Isaac bt still it was his fruit God spoke abt......so stop d blasphemy

Sheykul Islam:

poor knowledge on history is keeping you blind.

Which history? I hope u not talking about sacrifice and worship of Africa Gods because back then people lived in peace and only those who were criminals were used as sacrifice

I even like that because there was law and order. God was very strict on Africa that every offender is always punished either by natural disasters or People would,make him pay for his offense according to the law of the land

Africa was Good back then until Religion came and the Laws of the land were no longer followed it became the law of Moses, Paul and Mohammed that Africans started following, is it not nonsense?

OlaoChi; at least half of the jewish scholars of Madina became muslims, followers of the Messenger [SA] in his lifetime. they [RA] did it voluntarily, knowing the truth and and obeying it, thereby still following Moses and following Jesus [AS] along the way. the others that rejected did it out of arrogance and were not force to renounce misguidance. servant of Jehovah, if Jehovah is God Almighty Allah in another language, yes, the servants are muslims because the obeyed God and submit themselves fully to His Will as in Command, Instructions, etc.

@mintayo; [quote]if angel tell Mary the name is Jesus, is there a reason not to say it is also Immanuel, except that the prediction is that those who disbelief will call him Immanuel, God, son of God? mintayo, please let us reason and God will not confuse believers except allowing disbelievers to be controlled by their own desire.

when the baby was born, the relevant name was provided to the mother. the irrelevant name and title were left for the misguided to label him. the test of each of us is to directly seek The Mercy of God. if you associate any with Him, this is the handwork of satan.

RoyPCain: servant of Jehovah, if Jehovah is God Almighty Allah in another language, yes, the servants are muslims because the obeyed God and submit themselves fully to His Will as in Command, Instructions, etc.

@mintayo;

Wrong. If I decide to serve My God Izanami that doesn't make me a muslim because I choose a Japanese God. And I serve one God

Allah is not the only God, there are over 5000 Gods in every civilization
If Allah is Saudi Arabia, Japan is Izanami that doesn't make Allah and Izanami the same

Pls stop spreading lies. If u believe Allah is ur God, he is NOT MY GOD

I can chose any God I like, whether it's Olorun, Chineke, Jehovah, Zeus etc. You can't force somebody to take ur God or deceive them that they are all the same just another language.

Allah loves Yellow cow and ram meat, Jehovah loves Jesus blood, Olorun doesn't even ask for any sacrifice at all instead his Children collect sacrifice on his behalf

These are different Gods.
I can even site many differences between Jehovah and Yahweh

OlaoChi:

Wrong. If I decide to serve My God Izanami that doesn't make me a muslim because I choose a Japanese God. And I serve one God

Allah is not the only God, there are over 5000 Gods in every civilization
If Allah is Saudi Arabia, Japan is Izanami that doesn't make Allah and Izanami the same

Pls stop spreading lies. If u believe Allah is ur God, he is NOT MY GOD

I can chose any God I like, whether it's Olorun, Chineke, Jehovah, Zeus etc. You can't force somebody to take ur God or deceive them that they are all the same just another language.

Allah loves Yellow cow and ram meat, Jehovah loves Jesus blood, Olorun doesn't even ask for any sacrifice at all instead his Children collect sacrifice on his behalf

These are different Gods.
I can even site many differences between Jehovah and Yahweh

Jehovah = Yahweh =>>>

Isaiah 54:5 (King James Version)

For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Water don pass Garri.

This question senior Nigeria and the best thing to do is to take it the way you see it, to avoid the wrath of the Almighty.

Peace be unto those that doesn't dare or question their creator.

I suspect maybe someone is trying to relay or re-tell(if you like) the story of the birth of our lord Jesus Christ. That is the only thing that is slightly apparent in this write up. Otherwise this piece seems to me like a piece of poorly written crap. Pls learn how to spell ur words correctly and get ur sentences to make sense the next time you attempt to write. I couldn't it bear to read it up to half way. It's just so sad the way our academic institutions are churning out these sort of 'graduates