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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 8:00pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


You should know that was John Paul II.

I refuse to know your lies. I will not join in analyzing John Paull II like you do.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:03pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:


Pope francis said...., somebody said pope francis said...all grapevine news and hear say. I gave Pope francis Speech at the close of the synod, authentic, official. yet you refuse to see anything there...too blinded to see i fear....but you hold on to he said in one interview, and he said in a telephone conversation....you're long gone.

You want to tell us again that Pope Francis did not grant that interview. I always defend. Last year you were reinterpreting his interviews published even in Vatican website. I thought the Pope words ought to stand on their own. lol

Last Sunday he said 'God is not afraid of new things'. cheesy Are you going to deny this?

Any way let me leave you jor. Next time don't defend falsity. Thanks God for our brave Cardinals.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 8:03pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


I can never listen to any Pope (Francis) telling the bishops to stop preaching about homosexuality and abortion. I can't listen to a Pope who clearly wants to change the teachings of the church. I can't listen to a Pope who refused to condemn sin.

Pope Francis in his 18 months rule has never condemned homosexuality. Instead he clearly wants to change the church teaching on it.


Are you a bishop? Even though you lie, but Just listen to your parish Priest, Pope Francis is not your chaplain. Look at your accusation...he wants to change...Smh.

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:07pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



Elampiro. What is the Church teaching on homosexuality? My interest is to expose lies and let the truth be known.

The church teaching that homosexuality is a disorder. grin The church condemns homosexuality (gay act). You cannot know more than Cardinal Burke- the custodian of church teachings.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 8:13pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


You want to tell us again that Pope Francis did not grant that interview. I always defend. Last year you were reinterpreting his interviews published even in Vatican website. I thought the Pope words ought to stand on their own. lol

Last Sunday he said 'God is not afraid of new things'. cheesy Are you going to deny this?

Any way let me leave you jor. Next time don't defend falsity. Thanks God for our brave Cardinals.


"God is not afraid of new things. That is why he is continually surprising us, opening our hearts and guiding us in unexpected ways,"

Is this a lie? Is it not true of "no need for circumcision for gentiles", Sunday as the Lord's day, etc. Is God afraid of new things?

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:14pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



Are you a bishop? Even though you lie, but Just listen to your parish Priest, Pope Francis is not your chaplain. Look at your accusation...he wants to change...Smh.

You are the liar because you defend lies and outright falsity.

Pope Francis has already invited criticism by his calling bishops and priests not to preach against homosexuality and abortion.

* Parish priest? lol. You don't know anything. I have a spiritual director. Also I read what many Cardinals write and say. I have read many lives of saints and so much of church history.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:16pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



"God is not afraid of new things. That is why he is continually surprising us, opening our hearts and guiding us in unexpected ways,"

Is this a lie? Is it not true of "no need for circumcision for gentiles", Sunday as the Lord's day, etc. Is God afraid of new things?

God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His teachings are timeless and ageless.

The world 'afraid', should not be used in association with God.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 8:16pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


The church teaching that homosexuality is a disorder. grin The church condemns homosexuality (gay act). You cannot know more than Cardinal Burke- the custodian of church teachings.



Please stop disgracing yourself. What is the church teaching on homosexuality? Quote me the Church teaching on homosexuality or link to it.

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 8:19pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


You are the liar because you defend lies and outright falsity.

Pope Francis has already invited criticism by his calling bishops and priests not to preach against homosexuality and abortion.

* Parish priest? lol. You don't know anything. I have a spiritual director. Also I read what many Cardinals write and say. I have read many lives of saints and so much of church history.


Hahahaha, You have a spiritual director who is not a parish priest, One who support these lies of yours, and does not use the name of Pope Francis at mass. hahahaha I laugh again. Lies Lies Lies.

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:20pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



Please stop disgracing yourself. What is the church teaching on homosexuality? Quote me the Church teaching on homosexuality or link to it.

You are disgracing yourself. Dont you have a bible or the teaching you want to quote? I have told you what the church teaching is. If you have anything else quote it and let's debate it.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:23pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



Hahahaha, You have a spiritual director who is not a parish priest, One who support these lies of yours, and does not use the name of Pope Francis at mass. hahahaha I laugh again. Lies Lies Lies.

You are the liar because you defend falsity. Were you not the ones defending the document proposing welcoming gays and cohabitation? And communion for the divorce. So if the church teaches falsity you welcome it. A chronic liar like you.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 8:24pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His teachings are timeless and ageless.

The world 'afraid', should not be used in association with God.


You just type the first thing that comes to your mind, irrespective of its relevance to the post you're quoting. Did you answer my question?

Syncan:

"God is not afraid of new things. That is why he is continually surprising us, opening our hearts and guiding us in unexpected ways,"
Is this a lie? Is it not true of "no need for circumcision for gentiles", Sunday as the Lord's day, etc. Is God afraid of new things?

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 8:26pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


You are disgracing yourself. Dont you have a bible or the teaching you want to quote? I have told you what the church teaching is. If you have anything else quote it and let's debate it.


hahahaha, I am not obliged to teach you, you are the haughty one, making claims anyhow. What is the Church teaching on homosexuality?

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 8:29pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


You are the liar because you defend falsity. Were you not the ones defending the document proposing welcoming gays and cohabitation? And communion for the divorce. So if the church teaches falsity you welcome it. A chronic liar like you.


Another Lie! Please quote where I defended the "document welcoming gays and cohabitation, and communion for the divorced" as you claim? I am waiting.

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by asamaigho(m): 8:39pm On Oct 23, 2014
masonkz:


Yup



Dear lawd.....an irritating fellow.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:39pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



You just type the first thing that comes to your mind, irrespective of its relevance to the post you're quoting. Did you answer my question?


You are now confused.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:41pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



hahahaha, I am not obliged to teach you, you are the haughty one, making claims anyhow. What is the Church teaching on homosexuality?

You are now confused and disillusioned.

I have told you the church teaching, yet you keep asking useless and senseless questions.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:45pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



Hahahaha, You have a spiritual director who is not a parish priest, One who support these lies of yours, and does not use the name of Pope Francis at mass. hahahaha I laugh again. Lies Lies Lies.

You are an illiterate and an ignoramus. Canon law enables one to believe the Pope is the False Prophet. If a Pope was heretic before he was elected, he is an antiPope. And there are evidenxces that Francis was heretic in his support for civil gay union in Argentina.


You don't need a priest to tell you this.

In case you don't know, my spiritual director is a priest of high standing. I also have other priests friends.

Many priests world over are criticizing Pope Francis in published articles in their pages and papers.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:10pm On Oct 23, 2014
Tuesday, October 14, 2014:
Jesus said: “My people, you are seeing the tablets of My Ten Commandments in front of you, but you are a also seeing a black veil being placed over them as the devil’s attempts to hide the truth of My Law. I told you that I came on the earth to fulfill the Law, and not to change it. It is true that I love everyone, and I want everyone to come to church. You all know the Ten Commandments, and if you commit a mortal sin, then you need to confess any serious sin in Confession before you can receive Me in Holy Communion. All those who have mortal sin on their souls, commit a sin of sacrilege if they receive Holy Communion. You are hearing about discussions about the sexual sins that are under My Church’s understanding of the Sixth Commandment. Let there be no doubt that fornication in living together, adultery of relations with other men or women, and homosexual acts between two men or two women, are all mortal sins in My eyes. Any people who claim that these acts are not mortal sins, are committing heresy in My eyes. I always accept sinners to come to Me for forgiveness. Same sex marriage is an abomination in My eyes, and I am the judge of this, and it should not be accepted in My Church. My faithful remnant need to stand up for their true beliefs in My Law, and even defend My Church from any heresies. I have given My laws to be obeyed, and not to be rationalized or glossed over by a make-believe love. If you truly love Me, and do not want to offend Me, you will obey My laws, and have your mortal sins confessed in Confession.”

Jesus said: “My people, in your previous cold war with Russia, you had a clock that moved closer to twelve o’clock when there was a threat for nuclear war. Now, your clock is moving closer to twelve o’clock because you are moving closer to the Warning, and the coming of the Antichrist into power. I keep telling you to prepare for My Warning by coming to Confession at least once a month, to keep your soul pure so you do not see your mini-judgment to hell. Not only is My Warning coming soon, but you are also seeing the other signs that I warned you about before the Antichrist declares himself. You are seeing farmers finding it hard to grow crops with bad weather conditions that are leading up to a world famine. You are seeing potential signs of a division in My Church between a schismatic church and My faithful remnant. The schismatic church will teach New Age teachings and that the sexual sins are no longer mortal sins. You are also seeing signs for a coming martial law in a potential crash of your dollar, a pandemic virus like ebola that could be transmitted through the air, and potential ISIS terrorists that could kill people in America. Another sign is the coming mandatory microchip in the body that will be demanded by your new health care law. With all of these signs at the door, you can easily see that your country is about to be taken over, and the Antichrist will soon come into power. Trust in Me because I will protect you from the evil ones, and I will provide for your needs.”

Thursday, October 16,2014: (St. Margaret Mary Alacoque-Sacred Heart)
God the Father said: “I AM WHO AM, and I am happy to greet My pilgrims on their journey of life to follow Me and My Ten Commandments. I want to address My prophets and messengers, so they will go forward and proclaim My Word. You are living in an age of confusion that is caused by the devil. I gave Moses My Ten Commandments of love of God and love of neighbor. You know that it is against My Fifth Commandment to kill the unborn or others. You also know in My Sixth Commandment that it is a mortal sin to commit fornication, adultery, or homosexual acts. Some people are implying doubt in My laws, but they are not to be changed or modified for a better hearing. My prophets need to speak out in defense of My laws, because those, who want to change My laws, are heretics, and they should not be followed. Give glory and praise to Me as I watch over My people. I will forgive all repentant sinners, but woe to those who try to mislead My faithful, because they are walking on a path to My judgment to hell. I love all of you, but you need to love Me, and obey My Commandments in order to enter heaven.”

...............................

The the reader discern. This is message given by heaven to visionary John Leary. John Leary has a Catholic bishop as his spiritual director who reviews his messages before they are published. Many of John Leary messages have come to pass.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:37pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



Another Lie! Please quote where I defended the "document welcoming gays and cohabitation, and communion for the divorced" as you claim? I am waiting.

Your two colleagues did. I have three of you arguing with me. The fourth person has a different argument.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 9:48pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


You are now confused.

Instead of answering my question, he attacks my person. I am here to expose lies, isn't that what I said? Now It's getting clearer.

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 9:53pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


You are now confused and disillusioned.

I have told you the church teaching, yet you keep asking useless and senseless questions.

Elampiro, What is the Church teaching on homosexuality? how is it difficult now to say what the church teaches on it and where to find it? See all the aspersions cast on the Pope, yet you don't even know the teaching you accuse him of "trying to change" or even destroying.

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 9:57pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


You are an illiterate and an ignoramus. Canon law enables one to believe the Pope is the False Prophet. If a Pope was heretic before he was elected, he is an antiPope. And there are evidenxces that Francis was heretic in his support for civil gay union in Argentina.


You don't need a priest to tell you this.

In case you don't know, my spiritual director is a priest of high standing. I also have other priests friends.

Many priests world over are criticizing Pope Francis in published articles in their pages and papers.


It's now that I know you need a psychiatric more than a spiritual director. You have a spiritual director of high standing, who uses the name of Pope Francis every day at Mass, and whose continued union with the church is based on his remaining in Union with his bishop and obedient to the Pope, yet you say the Pope is a heretic? You do need a psychiatric more than a priest, I tell you.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 10:02pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:
Tuesday, October 14, 2014:
Jesus said: “My people, you are seeing the tablets of My Ten Commandments in front of you, but you are a also seeing a black veil being placed over them as the devil’s attempts to hide the truth of My Law. I told you that I came on the earth to fulfill the Law, and not to change it. It is true that I love everyone, and I want everyone to come to church. You all know the Ten Commandments, and if you commit a mortal sin, then you need to confess any serious sin in Confession before you can receive Me in Holy Communion. All those who have mortal sin on their souls, commit a sin of sacrilege if they receive Holy Communion. You are hearing about discussions about the sexual sins that are under My Church’s understanding of the Sixth Commandment. Let there be no doubt that fornication in living together, adultery of relations with other men or women, and homosexual acts between two men or two women, are all mortal sins in My eyes. Any people who claim that these acts are not mortal sins, are committing heresy in My eyes. I always accept sinners to come to Me for forgiveness. Same sex marriage is an abomination in My eyes, and I am the judge of this, and it should not be accepted in My Church. My faithful remnant need to stand up for their true beliefs in My Law, and even defend My Church from any heresies. I have given My laws to be obeyed, and not to be rationalized or glossed over by a make-believe love. If you truly love Me, and do not want to offend Me, you will obey My laws, and have your mortal sins confessed in Confession.”

Jesus said: “My people, in your previous cold war with Russia, you had a clock that moved closer to twelve o’clock when there was a threat for nuclear war. Now, your clock is moving closer to twelve o’clock because you are moving closer to the Warning, and the coming of the Antichrist into power. I keep telling you to prepare for My Warning by coming to Confession at least once a month, to keep your soul pure so you do not see your mini-judgment to hell. Not only is My Warning coming soon, but you are also seeing the other signs that I warned you about before the Antichrist declares himself. You are seeing farmers finding it hard to grow crops with bad weather conditions that are leading up to a world famine. You are seeing potential signs of a division in My Church between a schismatic church and My faithful remnant. The schismatic church will teach New Age teachings and that the sexual sins are no longer mortal sins. You are also seeing signs for a coming martial law in a potential crash of your dollar, a pandemic virus like ebola that could be transmitted through the air, and potential ISIS terrorists that could kill people in America. Another sign is the coming mandatory microchip in the body that will be demanded by your new health care law. With all of these signs at the door, you can easily see that your country is about to be taken over, and the Antichrist will soon come into power. Trust in Me because I will protect you from the evil ones, and I will provide for your needs.”

Thursday, October 16,2014: (St. Margaret Mary Alacoque-Sacred Heart)
God the Father said: “I AM WHO AM, and I am happy to greet My pilgrims on their journey of life to follow Me and My Ten Commandments. I want to address My prophets and messengers, so they will go forward and proclaim My Word. You are living in an age of confusion that is caused by the devil. I gave Moses My Ten Commandments of love of God and love of neighbor. You know that it is against My Fifth Commandment to kill the unborn or others. You also know in My Sixth Commandment that it is a mortal sin to commit fornication, adultery, or homosexual acts. Some people are implying doubt in My laws, but they are not to be changed or modified for a better hearing. My prophets need to speak out in defense of My laws, because those, who want to change My laws, are heretics, and they should not be followed. Give glory and praise to Me as I watch over My people. I will forgive all repentant sinners, but woe to those who try to mislead My faithful, because they are walking on a path to My judgment to hell. I love all of you, but you need to love Me, and obey My Commandments in order to enter heaven.”

...............................

The the reader discern. This is message given by heaven to visionary John Leary. John Leary has a Catholic bishop as his spiritual director who reviews his messages before they are published. Many of John Leary messages have come to pass.


Elampiro, Is this the Church's teaching on homosexuality? Another message from a "prophet". Did the scripture not say they will abound in the end times..Lk 17:23? Please tell me the Church's teaching on homosexuality, the church's teachings and laws are clear and documented.

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:07pm On Oct 23, 2014
[b]Monday, July 30, 2012: (St. Peter Chrysologus)
Jesus said: “My people, you are seeing in the news some outbreaks of various diseases in Africa. They have had various diseases as sleeping sickness, a nodding disease, ebola, malaria, AIDS, and dengue fever. Many of these diseases occur with tropical climates and various parasites. Some of these diseases are man-made viruses as ebola and AIDS. There are many innocent people dying from these diseases, as they are planned diseases of the one world people to reduce the population of the world. You may see the beginnings of this plan more in tribal societies as in Africa. Be aware that similar diseases can be transferred to other countries to reduce their populations as well. Abortion has been spread to all countries, as well as birth control devices to cut down the population. Killing My babies is the direct work of the demons, so work and pray to stop abortions.”


January 6, 2009
Jesus said: “My people, you have heard from various sources how AIDS and Ebola were man-made viruses intended to decrease the population. This is an ongoing part of the devil’s death culture to kill man by abortions and wars. It is still part of the one world people’s intentions to reduce the population further with a manufactured pandemic virus just as they made AIDS. This vision of virus preparations is what is being made right now. Once this is introduced into the population, many will die and the evil ones plan to have a vaccine to protect themselves. This again is why I am preparing My refuges of protection against such diseases. When you look upon the luminous crosses, or drink from the miraculous springs, My people will be healed of any illnesses. Give thanks and praise to Me for your protection from these evil ones. This death from diseases, and problems from financial losses will be the excuses to call martial law to restore law and order from the riots that will occur. Both because of these diseases and not taking chips in the body, My people will need to come to My refuges to keep from being killed. Pray much to be strong and endure these coming trials.”


April 25, 2008
Jesus said: “My people, I have shown you before about the evil ones’ plan to eliminate a good share of the people on the earth by using a very virulent virus that would be spread by using chem trails. Many unknowingly are taking flu vaccine shots that will make them more susceptible to die from this killer virus. The evil ones have a special vaccine that will make them immune to this new virus. Those remaining alive will be the evil ones who are immune, those who have built up their immune systems with Hawthorn, herbs, and vitamins, and those protected at My refuges by looking on My luminous cross and by drinking from My healing spring. After the Warning it would be better that you do not take any flu vaccine shots because it could cause your death later. Even now it would be better not to take any flu shots unless there are some who are really vulnerable and need them. The evil ones will try to force mandatory chips on the remaining people, but you are to have your guardian angels lead you to the safety of a refuge that would have angel protection. The Antichrist will rise to power for a short time before I will vanquish him and all of his evil helpers. Have no fear of this time because I will always be at your side to protect you. The evil ones think that their plan will defeat My faithful, but they are so misled that they do not see My coming victory which can be read in the Scriptures.”

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The above is for individual readers discernment too. God bless.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 10:08pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:


Your two colleagues did. I have three of you arguing with me. The fourth person has a different argument.

Now he goes into story telling. You told a lie against me, I asked for proof, now you say it was my colleagues...and the fourth person having a different argument, how does this sound to you o "accuser of the brethren".

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by vest(m): 10:13pm On Oct 23, 2014
@elampiro Pls Can U Answer The Quesion Sycan Is Asking? From An Authorise Source We Want To Learn??
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 10:17pm On Oct 23, 2014
vest:
@elampiro Pls Can U Answer The Quesion Sycan Is Asking? From An Authorise Source We Want To Learn??

He has no answer, he is just as ignorant as it gets, specialist in accusing the brethren, yet knows not what they infringe. How many posts now and he cannot say the teaching of the church on homosexuality and where the church taught that. Yet he could quote all and sundry claiming prophecy. If he be humble I will teach him, but no, he is far gone in pride and bitterness.

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:25pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:



It's now that I know you need a psychiatric more than a spiritual director. You have a spiritual director of high standing, who uses the name of Pope Francis every day at Mass, and whose continued union with the church is based on his remaining in Union with his bishop and obedient to the Pope, yet you say the Pope is a heretic? You do need a psychiatric more than a priest, I tell you.

On the ACT.
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.


ON THE TENDENCIES/URGE:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This[b] inclination[/b], which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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REF 141 above: Cf. Gen 19: 1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10.



Genesis 19:1-29
Genesis 18Genesis 20

Genesis 19:1-29New International Version (NIV)

Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed
19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”

“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”

14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry[a] his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the Lord is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”

16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the Lord was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”

18 But Lot said to them, “No, my lords,[b] please! 19 Your[c] servant has found favor in your[d] eyes, and you[e] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”

21 He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.[f])

23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.




(Romans 1:24-27
"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error" .
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Nobody: 10:29pm On Oct 23, 2014
elmapiro did you even read what you put up there? You have now succeeded in contradicting yourself.
Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by beryl04(m): 10:30pm On Oct 23, 2014
elampiro:
[b]Monday, July 30, 2012: (St. Peter Chrysologus)
Jesus said: “My people, you are seeing in the news some outbreaks of various diseases in Africa. They have had various diseases as sleeping sickness, a nodding disease, ebola, malaria, AIDS, and dengue fever. Many of these diseases occur with tropical climates and various parasites. Some of these diseases are man-made viruses as ebola and AIDS. There are many innocent people dying from these diseases, as they are planned diseases of the one world people to reduce the population of the world. You may see the beginnings of this plan more in tribal societies as in Africa. Be aware that similar diseases can be transferred to other countries to reduce their populations as well. Abortion has been spread to all countries, as well as birth control devices to cut down the population. Killing My babies is the direct work of the demons, so work and pray to stop abortions.”


January 6, 2009
Jesus said: “My people, you have heard from various sources how AIDS and Ebola were man-made viruses intended to decrease the population. This is an ongoing part of the devil’s death culture to kill man by abortions and wars. It is still part of the one world people’s intentions to reduce the population further with a manufactured pandemic virus just as they made AIDS. This vision of virus preparations is what is being made right now. Once this is introduced into the population, many will die and the evil ones plan to have a vaccine to protect themselves. This again is why I am preparing My refuges of protection against such diseases. When you look upon the luminous crosses, or drink from the miraculous springs, My people will be healed of any illnesses. Give thanks and praise to Me for your protection from these evil ones. This death from diseases, and problems from financial losses will be the excuses to call martial law to restore law and order from the riots that will occur. Both because of these diseases and not taking chips in the body, My people will need to come to My refuges to keep from being killed. Pray much to be strong and endure these coming trials.”


April 25, 2008
Jesus said: “My people, I have shown you before about the evil ones’ plan to eliminate a good share of the people on the earth by using a very virulent virus that would be spread by using chem trails. Many unknowingly are taking flu vaccine shots that will make them more susceptible to die from this killer virus. The evil ones have a special vaccine that will make them immune to this new virus. Those remaining alive will be the evil ones who are immune, those who have built up their immune systems with Hawthorn, herbs, and vitamins, and those protected at My refuges by looking on My luminous cross and by drinking from My healing spring. After the Warning it would be better that you do not take any flu vaccine shots because it could cause your death later. Even now it would be better not to take any flu shots unless there are some who are really vulnerable and need them. The evil ones will try to force mandatory chips on the remaining people, but you are to have your guardian angels lead you to the safety of a refuge that would have angel protection. The Antichrist will rise to power for a short time before I will vanquish him and all of his evil helpers. Have no fear of this time because I will always be at your side to protect you. The evil ones think that their plan will defeat My faithful, but they are so misled that they do not see My coming victory which can be read in the Scriptures.”

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The above is for individual readers discernment too. God bless.


Your ignorance stinks to high heavens !

Where do u get all this your cooked up stories huh?
From your spiritual director too?
O masee ooo!

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Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by Syncan(m): 10:32pm On Oct 23, 2014
MissMeiya:
elmapiro did you even read what you put up there? You have now succeeded in contradicting yourself.

Thanks dear, I feel like allowing the readers to read and judge for themselves.

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