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Ukutsgp:
pls i dnt click on link anyhow. u should paste the content of the link here.

let me tell u dat mary is nt the queen of heaven but a pagan goddess u people worship

Your opinion- Your life.

You're indirectly saying Mary is a pagan goddess.

Goddess bore Jesus christ?

Ukutsgp:
pls i dnt click on link anyhow. u should paste the content of the link here.
let me tell u dat mary is nt the queen of heaven but a pagan goddess u people worship

let me tell u dat mary is the queen of heaven And Nt A Useless pagan goddess u people Hate!

FrancisTony:
She bore the mother of our Lord.
She endured all the sufering alone.

Check the functions of mother's and compare them to these you'll see that there's nothing extraordinary here

Her son was humiliated, killed and handed over to her.
She wasn't scared to be called a loose woman for getting pregnant without being married.
She never disobeyed God like Eve and never doubted like Zachariah.

Spare me this thrash

Was Peter, Paul, Elijah etc a martyr?



Who told you she never did?
Because it wasn't recorded.
Wasn't she among them in the upper room during pentecost?



By giving birth to the special one.
Saviour of the world. Deal with it.

They weren't martyrs but they did something outstanding...
Worthy of reverence...

Come to think of it...if Mary was really that important why wasn't her acts also recorded?

Of course they wouldn't expect much from a married woman with kids to take care of....

No, you're the one peddling lies by concluding without doing a research.

No woman is above her.- Elizabeth salutation is a reference.

Ciao

Hehehe

Elizabeth -What a hero she was!

FrancisTony:
Your opinion- Your life.

You're indirectly saying Mary is a pagan goddess.

Goddess bore Jesus christ?

the one the rcc worshipped is nt even mary in the bible.

Ukutsgp:
i dnt need her to intercede for Me. I can go to God directly through Jesus.

Guy I Do Pray To God Directly That Does Nt Mean I Dnt Need My Friends To Pray/Interced For Me! More Expecialy The Just Ones Who Are Already Now In Heaven Rd 1tim2:1-3

Jeremiah 7:18.

18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the
fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.

herald9:
Check the functions of mother's and compare them to these you'll see that there's nothing extraordinary here

Agreed! There's nothing extraordinary about it.
But if her son is extraordinary, it equals extraordinary and vice versa.

Isn't it the same role Obama's Mother played that some peoples mother also did? Why are they different, now?

Spare me this thrash

They weren't martyrs but they did something outstanding...
Worthy of reverence...

Mary didn't do something outstanding? Without her or anyone that would have played the role of giving birth to Jesus, would their be those martyrs?

Come to think of it...if Mary was really that important why wasn't her acts also recorded?

Of course they wouldn't expect much from a married woman with kids to take care of....

Quote a biblical verse where it's written that Mary gave birth to another child apart from Jesus or they called any other person son of Mary.

Hehehe

Elizabeth -What a hero she was!

Elizabeth is a human like us.
If Mary was ordinary, why was her cousin favored to receive her?

Ukutsgp:
Jeremiah 7:18.

18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the
fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger.

Stop derailing....

I have answered you at the opening post.

vest:
Guy I Do Pray To God Directly That Does Nt Mean I Dnt Need My Friends To Pray/Interced For Me! More Expecialy The Just Ones Who Are Already Now In Heaven Rd 1tim2:1-3

u dnt ask the dead to pray for you. mary is dead like other women. asking the dead to pray for u is a great sin

FrancisTony:
Stop derailing....

I have answered you at the opening post.

hw did i derail the thread? ur answer is incorrect.

another one.

Jeremiah 44:16-23.


16 “ As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD, we will not listen to you! 17 But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble. 18 But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” 19 The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission? ” 20 Then Jeremiah spoke to all the people—the men, the women, and all the people who had given him that answer—saying: 21 “The incense that you burned in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, you and your fathers, your kings and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and did it not come into His mind? 22 So the LORD could no longer bear it, because of the evil of your doings and because of the abominations which you committed. Therefore your land is a desolation, an astonishment, a curse, and without an inhabitant, as it is this day. 23 Because you have burned incense and because you have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD or walked in His law, in His statutes or in His testimonies, therefore this calamity has happened to you, as at this day.”

herald9:
Check the functions of mother's and compare them to these you'll see that there's nothing extraordinary here

Do Have A Loving God Fearing Mother? I Jst Dnt Think So My Mom Is Nt Even Half Of What Mary Is And Am Nt A Perfect Son Like Jesus, Bt When I See The Kind Of Love And Sacrifies She Made For Me Nd My Siblings I Only Can Imagin That Of Mary To Her Son And Her Son To Her.

Who Sat And Watch His Infant Head When Sleeping On He Cried To Bed.....?



[quote Author=herald9post=27649959]Come to think of it...if Mary was really that important why wasn't her acts also recorded?[/quote]All her Act Was Recorded Bt Nt Al Was Writen In The Scripturs


So Some Ones Act Was Nt Written Does It Mean That Persn Is Nt Important?

Ba Bye Oh! Unfollowed

FrancisTony:
Agreed! There's nothing extraordinary about it.
But if her son is extraordinary, it equals extraordinary and vice versa.

Isn't it the same role Obama's Mother played that some peoples mother also did? Why are they different, now?

Really?... Last I checked Obama's mother isn't the first lady...It's his wife!

Mary didn't do something outstanding? Without her or anyone that would have played the role of giving birth to Jesus, would their be those martyrs?

Lwkmd

OF course not...
Those guys would have lived their lives to the fullest without it being cut short

you see....Mary did more harm than good.

Quotea biblical verse where it's written that Mary gave birth to another child apart from Jesus or they called any other person son of Mary.

No need... you guys accept the doctrine of perpetual virginity of Mary therefore you'll claim the Bible didn't literally mean she had other children...

I wonder when you'll ever take the words of the Bible as it is without trying to twist and apply your human reasoning to achieve your purpose.

Elizabeth is a human like us.
If Mary was ordinary, why was she favored to receive her cousin?

vest:
Do Have A Loving God Fearing Mother? I Jst Dnt Think So My Mom Is Nt Even Half Of What Mary Is And Am Nt A Perfect Son Like Jesus, Bt When I See The Kind Of Love And Sacrifies She Made For Me Nd My Siblings I Only Can Imagin That Of Mary To Her Son And Her Son To Her.

Who Sat And Watch His Infant Head When Sleeping On He Cried To Bed.....?






All her Act Was Recorded Bt Nt Al Was Writen In The Scripturs


So Some Ones Act Was Nt Written Does It Mean That Persn Is Nt Important?

Ba Bye Oh! Unfollowed

Hehehe

Bros

Do you remember that Mary was still a human when she gave birth to Jesus?

How can she then love him the 'heavenly'/extraordinary way?


Where was it recorded then....in the skies?

ehm ehm... she was important -just like all our mothers

for reference purpose you can still check

Mark 6:3

Matthew 15:55-56

herald9:
Really?... Last I checked Obama's mother isn't the first lady...It's his wife!

Last I checked, Jesus doesn't have a wife. I was just explaining with that analogy.

Lwkmd

OF course not...
Those guys would have lived their lives to the fullest without it being cut short

you see....Mary did more harm than good.

Did harm by giving birth to our Saviour? You mean God did more harm?

No need... you guys accept the doctrine of perpetual virginity of Mary therefore you'll claim the Bible didn't literally mean she had other children...

I wonder when you'll ever take the words of the Bible as it is without trying to twist and apply your human reasoning to achieve your purpose.

LMAO!

Let's compare and contrast who's taking bible literally.

1) Bible never mentioned Mary had other sons and daughters.
2) Bible never called anyone Mary's child apart from Jesus.
3) Bible mentioned Jesus brother and a deep search in the bible showed that they were Jesus relatives. One of the Mary that accompanied Mary the mother of Jesus to calvary, owned one of the child. Mary wife of cleophas, I think.

Protestant started forcing children Mary never bore to her.

Catholic said Mary never bore another child because it wasn't mentioned.

Who's going literally?

P.S- if Mary had other children, why would Jesus tell Apostle John to take care of his mother and Joseph was never mentioned and likely, something happened to him.

I mean why was Elizabeth favoured to receive her cousin(Mary), if she was ordinary.

vest:
Guy I Do Pray To God Directly That Does Nt Mean I Dnt Need My Friends To Pray/Interced For Me! More Expecialy The Just Ones Who Are Already Now In Heaven Rd 1tim2:1-3

Guy you need help!

Serious one...

If you pray to God he doesn't reply that you need friends and family to intercede for you then you are praying to a dead god.

What sin did you commit that requires such amount of prayers and intercession?

If you've been reading your Bible you've seen how the great men of Bible times killed thousands of people yet God still spoke.face to face with them .

Our generation ain't worse than that of Bible times...It's just that we are wiser.

herald9:
for reference purpose you can still check

Mark 6:3

Matthew 15:55-56

This is not new jare. Provide a verse that say Mary's son not Jesus brothers.

1. The Meaning of Brother
The first thing to understand is that the term brother (Gk.adelphos) has a broader meaning than uterine brothers. It can mean a biological brother, but it can also mean an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother.

Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:
“So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8, NIV; see also 14:12).

Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!

2. Children of Mary?
These “brothers” are never once called the children of Mary, although Jesus himself is (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).

3. Other Women Named Mary
James and Joseph (also called Joses), who are called Jesus’ “brothers” (Mark 6:3) are indeed the children of Mary—Just not Mary, the mother of Jesus.
After St. Matthew’s account of the crucifixion and death of Jesus, he writes:
“There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; among who were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.” (Matt. 27:56; see also Mark 15:40)

FrancisTony:
Last I checked, Jesus doesn't have a wife. I was just explaining with that analogy.

Same here....
It's only an extraordinary woman that can match with an extraordinary man....so if Jesus didn't have one...
trying to equate Mary with him cause she was his earthly mum is a lame move......................and it sucks!!!

Did harm by giving birth to our Saviour? You mean God did more harm?

Lolz
If I reply here we'll be taking this argument to another dimension... Let's stick to the basics.

LMAO!

Let's compare and contrast who's taking bible literally.

1) Bible never mentioned Mary had other sons and daughters.
2) Bible never called anyone Mary's child apart from Jesus.
3) Bible mentioned Jesus brother and a deep search in the bible showed that they were Jesus relatives. One of the Mary that accompanied Mary the mother of Jesus to calvary, owned one of the child. Mary wife of cleophas, I think.

Protestant started forcing children Mary never bore to her.

Catholic said Mary never bore another child because it wasn't mentioned.

Who's going literally?

Have you checked those Bible verses I dropped below... your answer is there... depending on how you interprete it

P.S- if Mary have other children, why would Jesus tell Apostle John to take care of his mother and Joseph was never mentioned and likely, something happened to him.

Lolz
Assuming I was about dying... wouldn't I want to entrust my loved ones into the hands of my trusted friends...

Seems Jesus wasn't really close to his brothers cause they didn't believe in him...

'A prophet has no honour in his own country'

I mean why was Elizabeth favoured to receive her cousin(Mary), if she was ordinary.

If the president came out of nowhere and offer your dad a 10 million naira job....what will be your reaction?

FrancisTony:
This is not new jare. Provide a verse that say Mary's son not Jesus brothers.

1. The Meaning of Brother
The first thing to understand is that the term brother (Gk.adelphos) has a broader meaning than uterine brothers. It can mean a biological brother, but it can also mean an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother.

Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:
“So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8, NIV; see also 14:12).

Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!

2. Children of Mary?
These “brothers” are never once called the children of Mary, although Jesus himself is (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).

3. Other Women Named Mary
James and Joseph (also called Joses), who are called Jesus’ “brothers” (Mark 6:3) are indeed the children of Mary—Just not Mary, the mother of Jesus.
After St. Matthew’s account of the crucifixion and death of Jesus, he writes:
“There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; among who were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.” (Matt. 27:56; see also Mark 15:40)

Jesus' brothers are mentioned in several Bible
verses. Matthew 12:46 , Luke 8:19 , and Mark 3:31 said that
Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible
said Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph,
Simon, and Judas ( Matthew 13:55 ). The Bible also implied
that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or
numbered (Matthew 13:56 ). In John 7:1-10 , His brothers
went to a festival while Jesus stayed behind. In Acts
1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying
with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James
was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these
passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-
siblings.

All these your ideas are preconceived and unbiblical....


you copy?

Oyibo man came our land casted doubt on our wood-made gods;called them Idols...

He introduced us to another well made and glorified image both physically and thought...

And called it,MARY(Queen of Heaven)...

I don't know why I see religion as a waste of time...

herald9:
Jesus' brothers are mentioned in several Bible
verses. Matthew 12:46 , Luke 8:19 , and Mark 3:31 said that
Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible
said Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph,
Simon, and Judas ( Matthew 13:55 ). The Bible also implied
that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or
numbered (Matthew 13:56 ). In John 7:1-10 , His brothers
went to a festival while Jesus stayed behind. In Acts
1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying
with the disciples. Galatians 1:19 mentions that James
was Jesus’ brother. The most natural conclusion of these
passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood half-
siblings.

All these your ideas are preconceived and unbiblical....


you copy?

I gave you biblical reference.

You still don't get it. Are you?

Provide a verse where they called them Mary's Son.

herald9:
Same here....
It's only an extraordinary woman that can match with an extraordinary man....so if Jesus didn't have one...
trying to equate Mary with him cause she was his earthly mum is a lame move......................and it sucks!!!

That's your opinion not mine.
She's extraordinary to me.
If you become extraordinary tomorrow, your mum will experience same.
Now, Mary won't experience the same privilege because you hate her.

[s]Lolz
If I reply here we'll be taking this argument to another dimension... Let's stick to the basics.[/s]

Have you checked those Bible verses I dropped below... your answer is there... depending on how you interprete it

It said Jesus brothers not Mary's son.
Only Jesus is Mary's son.

Lolz
Assuming I was about dying... wouldn't I want to entrust my loved ones into the hands of my trusted friends...

Seems Jesus wasn't really close to his brothers cause they didn't believe in him...

'A prophet has no honour in his own country'

It doesn't mean your brothers and sisters can't take care of your(their) mother if it was Mary that truly gave birth to them.

If the president came out of nowhere and offer your dad a 10 million naira job....what will be your reaction?

Nah!

Your analogy doesn't fit.
What will be your reaction if you're with me and my female cousin who has been visiting long before, come over again and I scream; Why am I favoured that the mother of my Lord would come to me.

By the way, it was holyspirit that possessed her when she said.
Are you bigger than holyspirit?

FrancisTony:
Last I checked, Jesus doesn't have a wife. I was just explaining with that analogy.





Did harm by giving birth to our Saviour? You mean God did more harm?




LMAO!

Let's compare and contrast who's taking bible literally.

1) Bible never mentioned Mary had other sons and daughters.
2) Bible never called anyone Mary's child apart from Jesus.
3) Bible mentioned Jesus brother and a deep search in the bible showed that they were Jesus relatives. One of the Mary that accompanied Mary the mother of Jesus to calvary, owned one of the child. Mary wife of cleophas, I think.

Protestant started forcing children Mary never bore to her.

Catholic said Mary never bore another child because it wasn't mentioned.

Who's going literally?

P.S- if Mary had other children, why would Jesus tell Apostle John to take care of his mother and Joseph was never mentioned and likely, something happened to him.





I mean why was Elizabeth favoured to receive her cousin(Mary), if she was ordinary.

keep quiet. U are ignorant of the teachings in the bible.

FrancisTony:
I gave you biblical reference.

You still don't get it. Are you?

Provide a verse where they called them Mary's Son.

Let's get something clear here first ....

Relatively few women are mentioned in the
Bible by name and role, suggesting that they
were rarely in the forefront of public life.
There are a number of exceptions to this
rule, including the Matriarchs Sarah,
Rebecca , Rachel , and Leah , Miriam the
prophetess, Deborah the Judge, Huldah the
prophetess, Abigail who married David,
Rahab and Esther...

The Bible writers viewed women as
inferior creatures who are less valuable than men and do
not deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

They were secondary creatures whose main role was that of reproduction... If they really did something great....it'll Come as a summary...except those ones above who they had no choice but to have their names spelt out....

So don't be surprise if the Bible referred to Mary's children as 'The brothers of Jesus '

Your God sef is a mysogynist-The Bible can confirm that!

FrancisTony:
I gave you biblical reference.

You still don't get it. Are you?

Provide a verse where they called them Mary's Son.

the bible said Jesus had other brothers and sisters and that translate to the fact that mary had other children. Why are u so dumb to accept this?

Catholic church misinterpreting scriptures since 1900. Replacing scriptures with traditions.

FrancisTony:
That's your opinion not mine.
She's extraordinary to me.
If you become extraordinary tomorrow, your mum will experience same.
Now, Mary won't experience the same privilege because you hate her.

Hehehe
Abeg I don't hate Mary... I can't remember ever beefing with her...

It's just that you people crossed the line when you tried to make her what she's not and will never be...

She was just like a needle in a syringe...after the injection the needle is thrown away but you people decided to pick it up...clean it and put it up in the museum....

You don't have to blame me...blame your God for not giving a _Fuck about women.... He started all this drama....

And have you ever heard of a female angel?

hohohoho

Nah!

Your analogy doesn't fit.
What will be your reaction if you're with me and my female cousin who has been visiting long before, come over again and I scream; Why am I favoured that the mother of my Lord would come to me.

By the way, it was holyspirit that possessed her when she said.
Are you bigger than holyspirit?

Duuuuuuuh

herald9:
Let's get something clear here first ....

Relatively few women are mentioned in the
Bible by name and role, suggesting that they
were rarely in the forefront of public life.
There are a number of exceptions to this
rule, including the Matriarchs Sarah,
Rebecca , Rachel , and Leah , Miriam the
prophetess, Deborah the Judge, Huldah the
prophetess, Abigail who married David,
Rahab and Esther...

The Bible writers viewed women as
inferior creatures who are less valuable than men and do
not deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

They were secondary creatures whose main role was that of reproduction... If they really did something great....it'll Come as a summary...except those ones above who they had no choice but to have their names spelt out....

So don't be surprise if the Bible referred to Mary's children as 'The brothers of Jesus '

Your God sef is a mysogynist-The Bible can confirm that!

Yahweh is a misogynist?

Bible mentioned other women children but refuse to mention Mary's own.

Bible called Jesus, Mary's son but scared to mention others.

Bible was scared to call them Joseph's son.

Herald9 be deceiving himself since 1600.

Ukutsgp:
the bible said Jesus had other brothers and sisters and that translate to the fact that mary had other children. Why are u so dumb to accept this?

Check verses I quoted while explaining brothers to know the mother that own those children.

herald9:
Hehehe
Abeg I don't hate Mary... I can't remember ever beefing with her...

It's just that you people crossed the line when you tried to make her what she's not and will never be...

She was just like a needle in a syringe...after the injection the needle is thrown away but you people decided to pick it up...clean it and put it up in the museum....

Painment. Your grievance can never change the fact. Deal with it.

You don't have to blame me...blame your God for not giving a _Fuck about women.... He started all this drama....
And have you ever heard of a female angel?
hohohoho
Duuuuuuuh

What made you to conclude their are no female Angels?

Have you been there?

We only know Arch-Angels by name.

FrancisTony:
Check verses I quoted while explaining brothers to know the mother that own those children.

which verses is that? Dnt tell me it was elizabeth that have those children?