₦airaland Forum

Firefire:
“7 things negative people (Like APC in Nigeria) will do to you. They will...

1. Demean your value;

2. Destroy your image

3. Drive you crazily!

4. Dispose your dreams!

5. Discredit your imagination!

6. Defame your abilities and

7. Disbelieve your opinions!

Nigerians should Stay away from negative people!”

Nigerians should Stay away from APC, they are malicious

Gabbysky:
Tell me all you want, I don't care.
One thing is sure the General Manager of Bokoharam (GMB) aka Buhari should not tell NIGERIANS about Democracy 'cos he is not a democrat.
He is a COUP-PLOTTER and a COUPIST.
And sensible Nigerians don't vote for Coup Plotters. He won't smell victory, he will cry again

GEJ TILL 2019

datolee:
You got it all wrong.. the figure i quoted wasn't reserve.. it was total debt at the end of Shagari Administration which you claimed that Buhari cleared with few days. Nothing in my write up made mention of reserve so I don't know where you go it from. I repeat, read properly, nobody ever made mention of reserve.

The two key question for you are

1. Did Buhari, as you said, cleared Nigeria debt within few day of coming to power? do you you still stand by that after reading the link to the debt management office?

2. Do you still stand by your "fact" that Buhari initiated the construction of Warri and Kaduna refineries after reading the extract fron NNPC website?

You are an intelligent guy and I expect a good reference from you

(Regarding no 3 and 4, I only highlighted them to show that Buhari wasn't the Messiah who saved the economy from total collapse.. other than that, I had no further argument)

anonimi:
Thanks for your points BUT we need to engage these bunch of LIARS and even do so VIGOROUSLY.
Otherwise they will CONFUSE many of our folks who are too LAZY to research these FACTS to counter their lies.
BTW, is that not their mandate as "internet warriors"- to confuse the minds of their fellow citizens in favour of those who paid them crumbs from what they have stolen from all of us over the decades

barcanista:
Its a typical case of:
Jonathan "promised" to build 3 refineries in Lagos, Bayelsa and Kogi states. He did nothing.

A new government come onboard and built the 3 refineries. Who takes the credit?

@Berem: don't mind them, with their cheap twisting of things ably supported by the a.d.m.i.n

ugomira:
Your ignorance of nigeria history is pitiable. GMB never initiated any coup, instead he was selected to lead Nigeria by high ranking military officers. Don't just open your mouth and start blabbing rubbish

ugomira:
Your ignorance of nigeria history is pitiable. GMB never initiated any coup, instead he was selected to lead Nigeria by high ranking military officers. Don't just open your mouth and start blabbing rubbish

Aksonman:
[size=14pt]Which wonderful achievement is credited to Buhari?

Can you compare Buhari with a sickly Yaradua (from PDP) who spent roughly 3years in office but implemented far reaching civil service reforms and put an end to Niger-delta militancy with an amnesty offer. WHAT DID BUHARI ACHIEVE?

I'm just sorry for all you children that were probably born in 1985, yet you come here to defend Buhari.[/size]

LastProphet:
So Mr Intelligent OP, as intelligent as you are you compare 2 years tenure with GEJ's 6 or so years? If IBB did not destroy Nigeria by taking over this wouldnt have been an argument at all. Lastly DONT EVER QUOTE CBN, DMO, etc ANYWHERE U EXPECT TO SOUND LIKE A HUMAN BEING WITH A HEAD. I keep saying many of these 80's kids are worthless in their sense of assessment, so you go and copy some nonsense from DMO and take as fact?

I observed you avoided talking about PTF under Buhari, why are you silent on that? isnt that more recent? Please educate us on his dismal performance there, am waiting

barcanista:
First, you said Buhari played no role.

You later questioned how could a Refinery be signed in 77 and commissioned in '78

Later you said you don't know when the contract was signed.

And Now you are saying it could be the Minister.....

Let me Come In:

1. GMB was instrumental as it was during his supervision that the Refineries in Warri and Kaduna was signed/built.

2. I am sure you are clear

3. Buhari signed the dotted lines. It was entirely under his jurisdiction

4. GMB was the Petroleum Minister since 1976 and also NNPC Chairman(which he assumed in 77). He held both roles till july 1979(if I'm not wrong)

Thank Yoù

Xxpress:
Their regime can't be worse than pdp's

michelz:
I don't know where the supporters of Buhari pull out their own ''facts'' that they tout around from. I've asked around and a lot of Elderly people say things were very difficult and hash during Buhari's regime. I believe Nigerians deserve better than GEJ and much more than Buhari.

Candyrain:
No one is saying GEJ is the best and neither is Buhari a saint. Just that GEJ is a lesser evil compared to Buhari. Thanks

datolee:
I think maybe we should rewind to you initial statement which you presented as fact



I will ask you again, with the evidence provided, do you still stand by your fact that Buhari initiated the Warri and Kaduna refineries? Please, go through my post here, I have always highlighted the keyword, initiated.

My simple argument is that he did not initiate any refinery as NNPC chairman... Fact number 1

He did not sign the contract for Warri refinery ... fact number 2

The question of who signed the contract is subjective, I could say it was signed by the petroleum minister, that is if there was one then. Since we do not have the document, it is very difficult to say who signed the contract on-behalf of Nigerian government. Nowhere in the report did it say that the contract was between NNPC and CHIYODA CHEMICAL ENGINEERING & CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OF YOKOHAMA.

barcanista:
@ OP: I would have ignored you but since it is a direct response, I decided to respond to you.
1. You didn't even state that Nigeria wasn't having debt as at when GMB took over. Only claiming that Shagari left reserve. Let me educate you on fiscal policy of government.
- It is VERY possible for a Government to have external reserve and still be indebted. Jonathan's Government is HIGHLY Indebted yet, it still have external reserve.

2. As regards 2
www.nairaland.com/attachments/1839931_gdp_jpeg143ba2047addddc201b155ed46ab5463

http://www.indexmundi.com/nigeria/gdp_per_capita_(ppp).html

3. As Regards 3 and 4 I don't see your argument

Thank you

Firefire:
Next line:

Did Buhari really stopped foreign borrowing because of our debt or because he cannot reach agreement with creditors?

Bacarnista

LastProphet:
So Mr Intelligent OP, as intelligent as you are you compare 2 years tenure with GEJ's 6 or so years? If IBB did not destroy Nigeria by taking over this wouldnt have been an argument at all. Lastly DONT EVER QUOTE CBN, DMO, etc ANYWHERE U EXPECT TO SOUND LIKE A HUMAN BEING WITH A HEAD. I keep saying many of these 80's kids are worthless in their sense of assessment, so you go and copy some nonsense from DMO and take as fact?

I observed you avoided talking about PTF under Buhari, why are you silent on that? isnt that more recent? Please educate us on his dismal performance there, am waiting

barcanista:
Thank You very much bro, I had to ignore people that had no clue(attacking me). I wish I can access materials that talks indepth on the economic regime of 1984-85

publisher:
GEJ's revival of Nigeria's vehicle assembly plants alone has flawed all the achievements of any Nigerian leader from 1984 till date combined.

I'll not even talk about Agriculture and manufacturing.

Jona has tried, abeg. Let's Buhari make himself useful by helping us go negotiate with Boko haram!

EldaTimba:
Bros, no kill me with laughter oooo.

datolee:
You made me remember one joke by Dave Chappelle, He said that "women" will take argument everywhere just to win them.

Maybe I will have to remind you again what I wrote in the OP



I will repeat again, and we can go over this as many times as you want today, The decision to build the two refineries wasn't taken by Buhari, He did not sign the contract for Warri refinery and the name of who signed the contract for Kaduna refinery is subjective because we do not have the document. Giving Buhari the accolade as initiator of those refineries is a slap on the face of those who made the initial decision.

One final question for you: Did Buhari initiate the construction of the two refineries as you wrote?, yes or no and we will move on.

Thanks for your time and all the best