elampiro:

You have not said the truth here. I did not typed that in the afternoon. And it was not in response to you.

I typed it at 7.14 pm in response to SetrakusRa.

but moyes is a failure, yes or no?

coogar:


distraction or not good enough!
look at the hypocrite that was arguing against european teams just before the world cup now changing his mouth.

distraction my foot - as if the south american clubs don't get distracted too. fergie's treble winning squad shunned the FA cup to go play in that competition in 1999 & got their arsës handed to them.

It's a distraction and I see no correlation with the world cup. Small teams put in more effort in these rubber cups.

coogar:


because moyes was a morön!
fergie had a special schedule for rio & vidic. he never played them consecutively in games. the backroom staff that shoulda guided moyes with the fitness regime & gym work has been sacked by the fool.....so whose fault was it?

fergie warned him - don't change things too quickly. his first objective was to steady the ship. retain all backroom personnel & let them perform their magic. this season, he can then start to replace them one by one.

How many matches did Rio played in 2012/13 when he was fit? Vidic was not played by SAF because he was just returning from injury.

* Don't change things too quickly could mean dont buy players too quickly.

coogar:


direction of real madrid?
which top class player would sign for moyes? you think it's all about money? players have managers they fully respect.

van gaal is a world class manager. in 95, he won a whole champions league with a bunch of teenagers. he did wonders at barcelona & even bayern.

that's who you want to compare to foolish moyes? is moyes better than fanny amun? a manager that doesn't play to win games? a manager that said he would have taken a draw against hull fc before a game?

It's all about money and availability. Moyes bought Mata.

Mimisboygreat:
o boy hwfa nh?

m good baba
Wetin dey appen na

coogar:


but moyes is a failure, yes or no?

He was one of the best managers in the EPL before we hired him. He had won the manager of the season 3 times. He missed out on Carling cup narrowly after beating Man United in the semi final. He narrowly lost FA Cup final to Chelsea in 2009. He had finished 4th in the league and made Everton a feared team in the EPL.

ChristineC:

If this is your expectation, then be patient for a year. The targets for the season has gone lower because of the debacle under Moyes, the fans and board deem a top four finish as the spring in the club's step to familiar heights.

As it stands (according to the league table), van Gaal is well on course to make it happen.

I'm more concerned with some of the shameful results we have recorded under LVG and more importantly, our penchant for using injuries as an excuse. The fact that I believe he will come good ( due to his pedigree and definitely not with the results and supposed "improved performances" thus far) doesn't mean I shouldn't express my disappointment when we lose 0-4 against a third tier team. We haven't recorded an away win this season despite visiting the home grounds of the leicesters, sunderlands and burnleys of this world. #pathetic#

elampiro:

It's a distraction and I see no correlation with the world cup. Small teams put in more effort in these rubber cups.

it's the same & there's no distraction. european teams cherish playing in them cos it's usually played in tropical countries where warm weather is welcome at that time of the year.

How many matches did Rio played in 2012/13 when he was fit? Vidic was not played by SAF because he was just returning from injury.

35 appearances for rio - he won the PFA slot as the best defender that season. he was well rested in the domestic cup competitions & in champions league so he can perform optimally.

* Don't change things too quickly could mean dont buy players too quickly.

fergie specifically told him to keep the backroom staff.

It's all about money and availability. Moyes bought Mata.

mata wasn't what we needed when we bought him. woodward just used the mata deal to please the irate fans. moyes had the whole summer to work out who to bring in & the fool ruined that season - it was until the last day of the transfer he made any move to sign herrera & it was too late by then.

elampiro:

He was one of the best managers in the EPL before we hired him. He had won the manager of the season 3 times. He missed out on Carling cup narrowly after beating Man United in the semi final. He narrowly lost FA Cup final to Chelsea in 2009. He had finished 4th in the league and made Everton a feared team in the EPL.

na yam?
allardyce, redknapp, hodgson, benitez, martinez, pardew, etc have more intelligence in their toe-nails than moyes. moyes is a failure - the worst manager in the history of the EPL.

Errm!... We gave Moyes a season, let's try LvG.

chrisley024:
Errm!... We gave Moyes a season, let's try LvG.

we gave moyes more than a season...
he inherited a squad of league champions, a competent backroom staff with a wealth of quality experience, a seeded status in europe & fit players as at when moyes took over.

within 9 months, gollum destroyed everything SAF built for more than 20 years. we gave LVG 80% of the low confidence players who suffered a torturous season under moyes, half-fit squad, new backroom staff, no place in european football & so on and so forth.

M

mcfarlin:


Does the word luck or hardluck exist in your dictionary?

*players complained of moyes training tactics last season didn't they?...as anyone complained about gaal's current tactics?


*we are playing good football you can continue to live in denial it doesn't negate the obvious!

*so in your own opinion moyes is a better manager than van gaal right?

Did you watch your game against Crystal Palace?

coogar:


it's the same & there's no distraction. european teams cherish playing in them cos it's usually played in tropical countries where warm weather is welcome at that time of the year.



35 appearances for rio - he won the PFA slot as the best defender that season. he was well rested in the domestic cup competitions & in champions league so he can perform optimally.



fergie specifically told him to keep the backroom staff.



mata wasn't what we needed when we bought him. woodward just used the mata deal to please the irate fans. moyes had the whole summer to work out who to bring in & the fool ruined that season - it was until the last day of the transfer he made any move to sign herrera & it was too late by then.



na yam?
allardyce, redknapp, hodgson, benitez, martinez, pardew, etc have more intelligence in their toe-nails than moyes. moyes is a failure - the worst manager in the history of the EPL.

The argument is becoming too lengthy and multiplying. I haven't the time anymore to continue.

elampiro:


He was one of the best managers in the EPL before we hired him. He had won the manager of the season 3 times. He missed out on Carling cup narrowly after beating Man United in the semi final. He narrowly lost FA Cup final to Chelsea in 2009. He had finished 4th in the league and made Everton a feared team in the EPL.

Chai!!!


Bros small small we all know moyes is a failure!

He was overhyped by the british press because of his nationalty!

Moyes didn't win anything at everton or did he?

Even michael laudrup is better than moyes

Nihilist:
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Did you watch your game against Crystal Palace?

Mr man we all know you are a chekpe fan stop taking panadol for another man's headache!

Besides your game against loserpool was below average and you had to rely on poor officiating from a bald gay to beat an underperforming team!

mcfarlin:


Chai!!!


Bros small small we all know moyes is a failure!

He was overhyped by the british press because of his nationalty!

Moyes didn't win anything at everton or did he?

Even michael laudrup is better than moyes

Why are you taking me back. A manager who plays a cup final tried. You need luck to win it. Finals are dicey anad can be swung either way in seconds.

He was voted manager of the season 3 times. That wasn't by British hype....

mcfarlin:


Mr man we all know you are a chekpe fan stop taking panadol for another man's headache!

Besides your game against loserpool was below average and you had to rely on poor officiating from a bald gay to beat an underperforming team!

That's not the question I asked you.

You claim that Van Gaal is playing good football and my question was dos you watch the crystal palace game...yes or no?

mcfarlin:

Chai!!!

Bros small small we all know moyes is a failure!

He was overhyped by the british press because of his nationalty!

Moyes didn't win anything at everton or did he?

Even michael laudrup is better than moyes

that's the thing about some of these useless british managers. they all have friends in the media to hype their small mentality to the high heavens. moyes got the united job by the virtue of his nationality....

if he was from serbia or holland, he would never have been considered for it. scottish solidarity killed ferguson & ultimately cost united. i like how fergie quickly dissociate himself from moyes.

let the fool carry his own cross himself...

coogar:


that's the thing about some of these useless british managers. they all have friends in the media to hype their small mentality to the high heavens. moyes got the united job by the virtue of his nationality....

if he was from serbia or holland, he would never have been considered for it. scottish solidarity killed ferguson & ultimately cost united. i like how fergie quickly dissociate himself from moyes.

let the fool carry his own cross himself...

SAF is a British manager too.

You have forgotten SAF approached Guardiola and Mourinho b4 Moyes. Moyes was a logical choice at the end because the desirables were not available, and Moyes familiarity with the EPL got him the job- something we were told by the board. No one here mentioned Martinez when SAF resigned.

elampiro:


Why are you taking me back. A manager who plays a cup final tried. You need luck to win it. Finals are dicey anad can be swung either way in seconds.

He was voted manager of the season 3 times. That wasn't by British hype....

this is even the more reason it's by british hype. wenger(french) & kineaar(irish) are the only foreign managers to have won that award in the history of the premier league.

even you yourself should be embarrassed by this damning fact when foreign managers have consistently whooped british managers in the premier league.

elampiro:

SAF is a British manager too.

but SAF arrived with his pedigree. he had won plenty of titles in aberdeen before he signed. actually, his feat in the scottish league surpasses whatever any of guardiola or mourinho have achieved.

You have forgotten SAF approached Guardiola and Mourinho b4 Moyes. Moyes was a logical choice at the end because the desirables were not available, and Moyes familiarity with the EPL got him the job- something we were told by the board. No one here mentioned Martinez when SAF resigned.

guardiola already had a contract with bayern by the time it even came out SAF was retiring. jose was waiting for SAF's call & it never came cos the old wily fox preferred a manager thee has an allergy to club success.

jose should have been given the job. he cried when he heard a fool like moyes got the job & jose quickly reconciled with abramovic to get the chelsea job as spain was getting too heated for him.

mourinho wanted the united job more than the chelsea job. all those antics he played when we lost to madrid admitting the better side lost on the night is just what it was - aśslicking to get the united job.

Martinez was lucky to win the FA Cup.

Wigan went down that year, and Martinez was unable to improve Everton's league standing to following year.

Infact, I would argue that the defensive solidity Everton had under Moyes is gone. Look at Everton conceding goals left, right, and centre. This is not unlike the Wigan under Martinez who would play gung-ho football and ship baskets of goals and flirt with relegation annually

Even the so called attractive football under Martinez has so far failed to yield dividends as they only have 3 wins out of 11 league games.

And all of this after spending heavily in the transfer market

Martinez is a downgrade on Moyes

Nihilist:


That's not the question I asked you.

You claim that Van Gaal is playing good football and my question was dos you watch the crystal palace game...yes or no?

Did you watch our game against qpr, chelsea, man city, everton?

coogar:


this is even the more reason it's by british hype. wenger(french) & kineaar(irish) are the only foreign managers to have won that award in the history of the premier league.

even you yourself should be embarrassed by this damning fact when foreign managers have consistently whooped british managers in the premier league.



but SAF arrived with his pedigree. he had won plenty of titles in aberdeen before he signed. actually, his feat in the scottish league surpasses whatever any of guardiola or mourinho have achieved.



guardiola already had a contract with bayern by the time it even came out SAF was retiring. jose was waiting for SAF's call & it never came cos the old wily fox preferred a manager thee has an allergy to club success.

jose should have been given the job. he cried when he heard a fool like moyes got the job & jose quickly reconciled with abramovic to get the chelsea job as spain was getting too heated for him.

mourinho wanted the united job more than the chelsea job. all those antics he played when we lost to madrid admitting the better side lost on the night is just what it was - aśslicking to get the united job.

You got this part completely wrong. SAF met Guardiola in the summer of 2012. That Mourinho's story you mentioned there ....... that is not the way it happened.

Anyway lets leave the arguments.

elampiro:


Why are you taking me back. A manager who plays a cup final tried. You need luck to win it. Finals are dicey anad can be swung either way in seconds.

He was voted manager of the season 3 times. That wasn't by British hype....

Bros abeg manager of the season for grandiose mediocrity

I still maintain my stand that the british press is xenophobic...and they keep on licking the azzess of their nationals!

elampiro:


SAF is a British manager too.

You have forgotten SAF approached Guardiola and Mourinho b4 Moyes. Moyes was a logical choice at the end because the desirables were not available, and Moyes familiarity with the EPL got him the job- something we were told by the board. No one here mentioned Martinez when SAF resigned.

It always going to be Moyes it is in the first Chapter of SAF autobiography followed by him explain the virtues of "The Scottist Man"
The Guardiola meeting took place but the Mourinho story is media crap.

elampiro:

You got this part completely wrong. SAF met Guardiola in the summer of 2012.

cathy ferguson's sister wasn't dead when SAF met guardiola. if they had discussed the role at all, it would have been at a later date not in 2013. the death of fergie's sister in law prompted his retirement.

That Mourinho's story you mentioned there ....... that is not the way it happened.
Anyway lets leave the arguments.

are you kidding me?
go back to the old pages when starboard & i discussed the merits or demerits of hiring jose mourinho when SAF announced his retirement.

i followed the situation to nearly every sports article in the world & it was clear that SAF or bobby charlton betrayed mourinho. go on google & read diego torres' article on how jose cried cos he was ignored for the job.

dopeJemi:


Did you watch our game against qpr, chelsea, man city, everton?

Lmao I'll give you QPR and maybe even the Chelsea game.

Against City....you had only 2 shots on target.

And remember that against Everton your goalkeeper was the man of the match as you were sliced open again and again.

Keep deceiving yourself...like you co fan said, the logs don't lie

cougar:


that's the thing about some of these useless british managers. they all have friends in the media to hype their small mentality to the high heavens. notes got the united job by the virtue of his nationality....

if he was from serbia or holland, he would never have been considered for it. scottish solidarity killed ferguson & ultimately cost united. i like how verge quickly dissociate himself from notes.

let the fool carry his own cross himself...

Thank you bro.

If we all agree that the british media over hype anything british then half of our arguments won't be needed..but some peeps take in anything from the british press like its the gospel truth!

Moyes won three managers of the season awards ..yet some peeps can't consider that as very debatable.

mcfarlin:


Bros abeg manager of the season for grandiose mediocrity

I still maintain my stand that the british press is xenophobic...and they keep on licking the azzess of their nationals!

Can you back up your assertion with an example of such asslicking?

[b]Coogar, below the Moyes' awards. Which other managers apart from the big four should have won it?

2003, 2005 and 2009 League Managers Association Manager of the Year.


2003: After spending the last few seasons struggling against relegation, Everton, revitalised under David Moyes, spent the season challenging for European qualification, at one stage going ahead of arch-rivals Liverpool, who had finished runners-up the previous season. Everton memorably ended Arsenal's unbeaten run in a match at Goodison Park which saw teenage striker Wayne Rooney score the winner, his debut Premiership goal. Rooney was later nominated for the PFA Young Player of the Year award, but lost to Newcastle United's Jermaine Jenas.

............................................

2005: Many pundits had tipped Everton for relegation that season: having escaped relegation from the Premier League by six points the previous season, Everton's task to stay in English football's top flight only seemed harder after the multi-million pound transfer of teenage striker Wayne Rooney to Manchester United after setting the summer's European Championships alight. However, the season turned out to be Everton's most successful in Premier League history as they placed fourth in the league with 61pts
................................................


2009- finished 5th and FA Cup runners up. [/b]

Nihilist:


Can you back up your assertion with an example of such asslicking?

A plethora of examples..the david beckhams of this world,theo walcott,phil jones,wayne'fatboy'rooney..the list is virtually endless....all of this players were touted as the best thing since God created the world.

coogar:


cathy ferguson's sister wasn't dead when SAF met guardiola. if they had discussed the role at all, it would have been at a later date not in 2013. the death of fergie's sister in law prompted his retirement.



are you kidding me?
go back to the old pages when starboard & i discussed the merits or demerits of hiring jose mourinho when SAF announced his retirement.

i followed the situation to nearly every sports article in the world & it was clear that SAF or bobby charlton betrayed mourinho. go on google & read diego torres' article on how jose cried cos he was ignored for the job.

* SAF met Guardiola in USA in summer. Papers reported that SAF had met him to discuss succession. I read it next day, not any thing I read much later.

* I want to be silent on the Mourinho issue. But I know what Mourinho said.

mcfarlin:


A plethora of examples..the david beckhams of this world,theo walcott,phil jones,wayne'fatboy'rooney..the list is virtually endless....all of this players were touted as the best thing since God created the world.

You said the British Managers were overhyped by the press...can you back up that assertion with examples?

Players are NOT managers

mcfarlin:


Thank you bro.

If we all agree that the british media over hype anything british then half of our arguments won't be needed..but some peeps take in anything from the british press like its the gospel truth!

Notes won three managers of the season awards ..yet some peeps can't consider that as very debatable

it's their way - this is why they never win any competition for their country. players who aren't better than emenike are being touted as world class in their media.

if rooney & RVP perform equally in a game, the commentator would quickly give the MOTM to rooney without hassles. a foreign player has to play outta his skin to win MOTM awards.

all the time a british player has won PFA player of the year award, there's a better foreign player that was ignored through the media brainwashing.

that's even small.
let's assume there's a difficult away match in europe where 2 foreign players got a brace each and rooney came on in the last 20 mins to score a penalty to make it 5-0, the media would report it as "rooney helps united to secure victory in portugal."

it would be rooney's picture on the front page & rooney's name on the headlines.

Nihilist:


Lmao I'll give you QPR and maybe even the Chelsea game.

Against City....you had only 2 shots on target.

And remember that against Everton your goalkeeper was the man of the match as you were sliced open again and again.

Keep deceiving yourself...like you co fan said, the logs don't lie

Lol! the game was pretty much balanced before smalling went off, that didn't stop us from playing our game in the last 15minutes, we kept them on their toes

The everton game, those chances came at what stage of the game?