Religious Authority, Sistani condemns cursing Prophet Mohammed’s Companions


Najaf (IraqiNews.com)

The Religious Authority, Ali al-Sistain, denounced cursing the Companions of the Prophet Mohammed.

While responding to a question raised by one of the citizens of Baghdad province, he said “This behavior is condemned and violate the recommendations of the Family of the Prophet Mohammed.”
www.iraqinews.com/baghdad-politics/religious-authority-sistani-condemns-cursing-prophet-mohammed-s-companions/#axzz2mhF2OBA1

Glad to hear this. I hope this will restrain those who engage in cursing the companions. There should be no tolerance for extreme views.

NOTICE! NOTICE!! NOTICE!!!
There is a sect within the Shi'a taaifa and they are known as the Shirazis. They are led by the "scholars" from the Shirazi family. They generally ALWAYS oppose the Islaamic government in Iran. They also declare Imaam Khomeini and Imaam Khamenei to be kuffaar and they regularly curse both of them.

Another thing they do is: they do their best to frustrate any step that the Iranian government takes to improve ties with Sunni Muslims. Shirazis are extremists generally. But there is a smaller sect among them - followers of Yasser al-Habeeb - who are more extreme than all the others. They are very wealthy and are well-funded. Their source of income is unknown. They run a satellite TV station called Fadak TV where they openly and routinely curse Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Aishah. They also falsely accuse Aishah of zina and of murdering the Prophet and they introduce a new 'Eid to celebrate her death. All this is to provoke Sunnis more and more, so that any talk of unity with Sunnis become impossible.

I sincerely hope people will not judge the mainstream Shi'a by the acts of this minnow extremist just like we (muslims) wouldn't want the world to judge Islam or muslims with acts of the extremist like Boko Haram, al-Qaeda, ISIL etc

'Aishah and the Yasiri Slanders: Defending the Innocence of the Twelve Imams

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Is it true that it was Umm al-Muminin ‘Aishah who murdered the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him and his family? Is it true that she indulged in adultery after the death of her blessed husband?
Is it true that she was divorced, and thereby lost her title of “Umm al-Muminin” within the Ummah?

There is a group which attributes itself to Imami Shi’ism, the Yasiriyyah, which makes all those three claims about her. This group also identifies the noble Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt, peace be upon them, as the sources of their various accusations against her.

Our aim in this book of ours is to investigate the truth of all three claims and allegations within the confines of the Shi’i hadith corpus. In particular, we want to find out if the Yasiriyyah have truthfully linked their claims about ‘Aishah with the Ahl al-Bayt, or whether they have only lied upon the Twelve Imams.

Toyib Olawuyi
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To download the softcopy (pdf etc), here's a site:
https://archive.org/details/AishahAndTheSlanders

AlBaqir:
NOTICE! NOTICE!! NOTICE!!!
There is a sect within the Shi'a taaifa and they are known as the Shirazis. They are led by the "scholars" from the Shirazi family. They generally ALWAYS oppose the Islaamic government in Iran. They also declare Imaam Khomeini and Imaam Khamenei to be kuffaar and they regularly curse both of them.

Another thing they do is: they do their best to frustrate any step that the Iranian government takes to improve ties with Sunni Muslims. Shirazis are extremists generally. But there is a smaller sect among them - followers of Yasser al-Habeeb - who are more extreme than all the others. They are very wealthy and are well-funded. Their source of income is unknown. They run a satellite TV station called Fadak TV where they openly and routinely curse Abu Bakr, 'Umar and 'Aishah. They also falsely accuse Aishah of zina and of murdering the Prophet and they introduce a new 'Eid to celebrate her death. All this is to provoke Sunnis more and more, so that any talk of unity with Sunnis become impossible.

I sincerely hope people will not judge the mainstream Shi'a by the acts of this minnow extremist just like we (muslims) wouldn't want the world to judge Islam or muslims with acts of the extremist like Boko Haram, al-Qaeda, ISIL etc

imagine!

I wonder how much your thirst for dividing the islamic brotherhood this far!

from Islam, divided into sunni and Shia and others. from there Shia is divided into shirazis and mainstream and obviously some other sects too. I'm thinking shirazis have a minor sect again and I've not even touched the sunni branch!

this is an atrocity if you don't know. I'm yet to read any part of the Qur'an that divides us into sunni shia and other sects like this, but at any chance you get, you are so fast at segregating one sect and super sharp at accusing and castigating them!

I'm not in for your long notes please cause I predict that's what follows..I'll just advice you to strive to be a better muslim like everyone including you and stop all these rubbish. abomination! !!!

golpen:


imagine!

Its being a long time brother. By now, I thought, you should have had an 'hypermetropic' way and more mature assessment of thread. But here you are - same old brother with his myopic way of thinking.

golpen:

I wonder how much your thirst for dividing the islamic brotherhood this far!

It is shameful you know putting the blame of those who divided muslims and destroyed the bond of brotherhood, on Albaqir.

According to Ibn Abbas in a Sahih ahadith, calamity and tribulations that befell muslim brotherhood began on the death-bed of the prophet when he was denied to write a guidance document for his Ummah, and he was accused of being mad.

The division got to the stage of bloody civil war. It continues till today. People like you pretend as if all is rosy among muslims. If we are not ready to expose the clowns among ourselves, they will eventually sink the boat of the brotherhood.

golpen:

from Islam, divided into sunni and Shia and others. from there Shia is divided into shirazis and mainstream and obviously some other sects too. I'm thinking shirazis have a minor sect again and I've not even touched the sunni branch!

So according to your ideology/solution, ALL of the above should just jump into the ship of brotherhood in the name of 'unity' while their hearts is filled with hatred and deadly venom for each other?

One of your revere sheiks, Dr. Yasir al-Qadhi, of recent confirmed his hatred and false accusations towards Shi'a is out of ignorance, false informations, copy-pasted replies without verifications etc. Now his stand towards the Shi'a has changed. Somebody that used to declare as Kafir now can embrace shi'a as his muslim brother. That's the power of mutual understanding.

If we don't sincerely study and know each other, there's no way a sincere unity can be established among different muslim's sect.

golpen:

this is an atrocity if you don't know. I'm yet to read any part of the Qur'an that divides us into sunni shia and other sects like this, but at any chance you get, you are so fast at segregating one sect and super sharp at accusing and castigating them!

Is it an Atrocity that I circulate a fatwa from a shi'a Ayatullah that abusing/cursing 'some' sahaba is lack of respect for the holy prophet (peace be on him and his progeny)?

Is it an Atrocity that I tried to expose a faction hiding under the mainstream 'Shi'a' who enjoyed and made it an obligatory act to curse 'Aisha and Hafsa', both wives of the prophet and other companions; yet people like you never hesitate to accuse ALL Shi'a of doing that?

Its a shame brother that you are too myopic and sentimental in your judgment.

Quran and the holy prophet warned us (from the past ummah, present and future) against segregation yet we divide ourselves into sects to the point of waging war in all forms at each other. Accusing me of this show your low level of understanding and expose your deep hatred. You completely failed to grasp the message/information this thread is dishing out. That's what hatred does - it blinds one's sense of understanding.

golpen:

I'm not in for your long notes please cause I predict that's what follows..I'll just advice you to strive to be a better muslim like everyone including you and stop all these rubbish. abomination! !!!

Are you scared of my long notes? Oh! those long notes always raised your blood pressure high? Or it increase your deep hatred?
Kindly learn how to keep silent or turn the other way if something detest you. Don't be obsessed by my threads.

Ma sha Allah. Thanks for your advice. It is also what you need being better muslim. How I live my life and conduct my affairs with my intentions is best known to my Lord and He is the best judge and disposer of all affairs.

Wa Salam alaykum

What Rafidhi maraji' say in public is always suspect as their use of taqiyyah is notorious.
I did provide the evidence for their core beliefs regarding the abuse of the Sahaba in their 'ziyarat ashura' and their "authentic" hadith attributed to their infallible imams, but my post was deleted.
If alSistani is not being taqiyyaful and he means what he says this time (highly doubtful), then he should tell us who those curses in ziyarat ashura and dozens of their ahadith refer to?
If I repost them, they will probably be taken down again.

Abuamam:
What Rafidhi maraji' say in public is always suspect as their use of taqiyyah is notorious.
I did provide the evidence for their core beliefs regarding the abuse of the Sahaba in their 'ziyarat ashura' and their "authentic" hadith attributed to their infallible imams, but my post was deleted.
If alSistani is not being taqiyyaful and he means what he says this time (highly doubtful), then he should tell us who those curses in ziyarat ashura and dozens of their ahadith refer to?
If I repost them, they will probably be taken down again.

do not think you will score points by giving yourself too much importance? dont blow your head. you have not reinvented the wheel. what you have done here is to expose your ignorance, prejudice, bias, misinformation and lack of knowledge. and i will show you and explain how so you can learn a few things and open up!!!

the Shia stance on the Sahaba, regardless of your definition of "insult" and "curse", is to treat each sahabi as an individual with distinct characteristics, actions and personality. the sahaba were not a homogeneous group. they are the good, the bad and the ugly. they differed on many issues amongst themselves, and they even killed each other. do you know that? if your position as a Sunni is to turn a blind eye and say God will judge, then we Shia do know God will judge. however, "God will judge" doesnt justify turning a blind eye on our past, and then conveying nice titles on ALL sahabas that their actions belie and aim to rewrite their past.

that aside, you citing Ziyarat Ashura, and telling us about its content regarding a FEW sahabas doesnt justify your generalization that the Shia "curse" or "insult" THE SAHABA. the arabic word SAHABA (companions) is a compound noun. SAHABA is a GROUP of people. you cant judge them all as good and pious regardless of their past. Abu Bakr, Umar, Usthman, and Muawiya who are target in Ziyarat Ashura do not make up ALL the sahaba. they are just four out of the thousands of Sahaba. like i have stated millions of times, when you as a Sunni want to talk down on the Shia view or attitude towards these (four) sahabas and the likes that Sunnis hold in high esteem while the Shia do not, please use the word "SOME". say you do not like the view of the Shia about SOME sahabis. there are many sahabis who the Shia honor.

the question is are there sahabis that the Sunnis hold contempt for,as the Shia also hold contempt for some other? the answer is YES. Sunnis do not like Mukhtar Ibn Ubaydullah al-Thaqafi (RA), Malik Ibn Nuweira (RA) and Hujr Ibn Adi al-Kindi (RA) among a few others who were very loyal to the Ahlul-Bayt (as). Sunnis, as your hadiths and historical writings show, and even present day works show, you have problem with these three companions in particular, and you defame their character unjustifiably just to cover up for other infamous sahabis who victimized these three. on the other hand, the Shia highly honor these three. so does that give me the right as a Shia to accuse Sunnis of generally hating or insulting or cursing the sahabas because of these three men who were also sahabi (companions of the Prophet)? your accusation that the Shia "insult the sahabas" is a generalized lie,and one based on an attempt to mislead the unsuspecting and dishonestly portray others. what we need to do as Shias is to highlight the slander you have in your books against those three honorable sahabis of the Prophet (sa) that we as Shias love, honor, and respect. we need to expose the sahabis that you Sunnis slander and disrespect and hold you responsible as you want to defame us and tarnish our reputation because of mainly four infamous sahabis that you honor.

furthermore, what is the definition of "insult" and "curse"? insult undoubtedly is forbidden in Islam even against unbelievers. that is exactly what our scholars have forbidden, and stopped the Shia from doing against some infamous sahabis. insult is haram. there is no taqiyyah in this; because there are some Shias who want to vent their dislike for the infamous men based on their ill-actions against the Ahlul-Bayt (as). our scholars dont tolerate insults because it is haram regardless who is the target.

when it comes to the concept of "curse", it is a different issue. the arabic word "la'nat" is what is often unduly translated as "curse". "la'nat" is not well understood when you translate it as "curse". in the Holy Quran, there are instances Allah (swt), the angels and the prophets (as) sent "la'nat" on the disbelievers and transgressors who oppressed the believers. therefore sending la'nat on evildoers is a divine and Quranic sunnah. sending la'nat is meant to seek Allah's (swt) pleasure against wrongdoings and to disassociate oneself from evildoers and their evil deeds. it is not insult, but more or less, telling Allah (swt) that by you sending la'nat on someone evil, you disapprove of their actions. you are reaching out to Allah (swt) to state that you do not approve of their evils and you dont want their fate to be your own fate, and therefore Allah's (swt) mercy should be lifted from them because you do not approve of them, and do not sympathize with them, and Allah (swt) should judge them as He pleases and pass justice. it is an act know in the Holy Quran as TABARRA (to disassociate from evil people and show disapproval). (note that Surat at-Tawba, the ninth chapter of the Holy Quran, is also known as Surat al-Bara'ah, or the verse of doing Tabarra/Bara'ah). the opposite is TAWALLA (to love, honor, respect and obey pious people). Tabarra and Tawalla are fundamental beliefs for the Shia, just as salat (the five daily prayers) and sawm (fasting in the month of Ramadan) are. Tabarra and Tawalla are fruits of what the Quran teaches us about "amr bil ma'roof wa nahi anil munkar" (i.e. enjoining good and forbidding evil).

Holy Quran 9:71
"The believing men and believing women are allies of one another. They enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and establish prayer and give zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Those - Allah will have mercy upon them. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise."

Holy Quran 3:110
"Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

to conclude, please learn how to use the word "SOME" as already explained to you.

I dont have interest in reading your rantings.
Twist yourself into knots all you like. I have enough 'hadith' or whatever you call your stories, that tell us EXACTLY how many companions your maraji' say remained as muslims while the others became unbelievers. And if that is not an insult, I dont know what is.
I could upload videos of a number of your maraji' using unprintable language against the mothers of the believers, especially the most beloved of the prophet (saw) on live TV.
Your maraji' penchant for taqiyyah is legendary. So forgive me for taking Sistani's fatwa with a pinch if salt... and your tales too.

Abuamam:
What Rafidhi maraji' say in public is always suspect as their use of taqiyyah is notorious.

It seems you've forgotten we now live in a more civilized world where the use of taqiyah is not really needed. It is however unfortunate that you've been programmed to believe every single word of shi'a no matter how precise and evidenced based it is in your ref books, is taqiyyah. Anyway that's your own cup of tea.

Abuamam:

I did provide the evidence for their core beliefs regarding the abuse of the Sahaba in their 'ziyarat ashura' and their "authentic" hadith attributed to their infallible imams, but my post was deleted.

Evidence? What?! Do you even know the shari'i penalty of cursing or abusing?

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: The gravest sin is going to lengths in talking unjustly against a Muslim’s honour, and it is a major sin to abuse twice for abusing once.
Sunnan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4859

Any justification for the curses in the ziarat Ashura on the perpetrators of the massacre of Kar'bala where Hussain and his 72 companions among whom were household of the holy prophet were murdered in cold-blood?
But whoever kills a believer intentionally - his recompense is Hell, wherein he will abide eternally, and Allah has become angry with him and has cursed him and has prepared for him a great punishment
Surat An-Nisā':93

Interestingly, your grand sheik Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328) on the Martyrdom of Imam Husayn, despite some questionable positions held by Ibn Taymiyya with regard to the events surrounding the massacre at Karbala, such as his downplaying of Yazid’s direct culpability in the act of murder, he does have two particularly interesting statements which deserve consideration:

“There is no doubt that al-Husayn ibn ‘Ali and a group of his family were killed unjustly. The murder of al-Husayn was one of the greatest catastrophes in history. His murder—like the assassination of ‘Uthmān —was one of the central causes for the strife and bloodshed which befell the Muslim community. Verily, his killers are the worst of creation in the eyes of God”
~Majmū‘ al-Fatāwa 3: 411.

Elsewhere in the same collection, Ibn Taymīyya exclaims:
“As to those who killed al-Husayn or assisted in that act or was pleased with it, may the curse (la’n) of God, the angels, and all the people be upon them. No deed or righteous act will be accepted from these people from God as compensation for their heinous crime”
~Majmū‘ al-Fatāwa 4: 487

There is no doubt there are sahaba and sons of sahaba among those who committed this heinous crime. So I really wonder what your understanding is concerning 'cursing sahaba' you and your like used to propagated all around.

Abuamam:

If alSistani is not being taqiyyaful and he means what he says this time (highly doubtful), then he should tell us who those curses in ziyarat ashura and dozens of their ahadith refer to?
If I repost them, they will probably be taken down again.

In Ziyarat Ashura, names of those who deserved to be cursed are mentioned. As per those whose names were not mentioned, its useless given ample evidences for you in your ref books because maclatunji might ended up deleting it.

Abuamam:
I have enough 'hadith' or whatever you call your stories, that tell us EXACTLY how many companions your maraji' say remained as muslims while the others became unbelievers. And if that is not an insult, I dont know what is.

Perhaps you call the Quran and ahadith of Muhammad an Insult:
"And those who came after them say : 'Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who have preceded us in Faith, and put not in our hearts any hatred against those who have believed. Our Lord! You are indeed full of kindness, Most Merciful" (Surah Al-Hashr, 59:10)

Having hatred towards "those who have believed" is a sign of being Munafiq as many sahih ahadith proved.

However, those who disbelieved and deviated from the right path after they had believed or pretended to, are far from this.

Qur'an states
"And you will be three kinds. So, Companions of the Right Hand, who will be Companions of the right hand? And companions of the Left Hand, who will be Companions of the Left Hand? And those foremost will be foremost." ~Q.56:7-10

No doubt the Foremost group are the nearest to Allah - the Prophets, Messengers, Awliyah et al.

Others from their generations, community, nations etc will occupy Right and Left group.

Identification
"And Those who disbelieved in Our verses, they will be Companions of the Left Hand. The Fire will be shut over them."
~Qur'an 90: 19-20

Prophet's Clarification
Imam Bukhari in his Sahih documented this hadith of Ibn Abbas:

'The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "You will be resurrected bare-footed, naked and uncircumcised." Then he recited:{As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: a promise We have undertaken. Truly, We shall do it} [21:104]. He continued: "The first to be dressed will be Ibrahim. Then, some of my SAHABAH will be taken towards the Right side AND TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE. So, I will say: 'My Sahabah! It will be said, 'THEY HAD BEEN APOSTATES SINCE YOU LEFT THEM.' I will then say as the Righteous servant, 'Isa b. Maryam, said: {And I was a witness over them whilst I lived amongst them. But, when You caused me to die, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise} [5:117-118]'

~Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 3 p. 1271, #3263

This hadith ends with the following:
'Muhammad b. Yusuf narrated from Abu 'Abd Allah that Qubaysah said: "They were those who apostatized during the time of Abu Bakar. So Abu Bakar, may Allah be pleased with him, fought them."

Really that was personal claim of Qubaysah. The holy prophet's wording are too explicit in the categories his sahabas will be divided. And those whom Abu Bakar fought were not even inhabitant of Medina who used to keep the holy prophet's company. The specifications of the deviators were so glaring that:

Anas b. Malik reports that
"The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Some persons from amongst those who kept me company will meet me at the Lake-fount. I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be forced away from me. [b]I will say: 'O my Lord, my Sahabah! My Sahabah.' It will be said to me: 'You do not know what they INNOVATED after you.'"
~Sahih Muslim, vol. 4, p. 1800, #2304 (40)

This is the true belief as per the companions of the prophet. Respect, prayers and praise to those who truly believe and never deviated from their faith. Those who apostatised should be learnt from so that we do not fall to their mistakes. Campaigning that ALL of them altogether are righteous and people of Jannah irrespective of their crimes is innovation which is contradictory against Quran and sunnah. These are the people shi'a have problem with.

Abuamam:

I could upload videos of a number of your maraji' using unprintable language against the mothers of the believers, especially the most beloved of the prophet (saw) on live TV.

That's the point Abuamam. These thread exposes the group among the Shi'a who does that. Just like you will never want any association with the Boko haram, IsiL, al-Qaeda even if these groups claimed to be Sunni. Fadak Tv of the Yasiris is a very good example. These people with their leaders never represent Millions of Shi'a world wide. Tell me a single notable Ayatullah or Shi'a Mar'ja like Khamenei, Sistani, Makarim Shirazi, Tabatabi et al who had ever insulted, abuse or curse any sahaba whatsoever in their books, lectures etc. All you post or quote are those you know nothing about.

For once learn or keep silent.

Abuamam:

Your maraji' penchant for taqiyyah is legendary. So forgive me for taking Sistani's fatwa with a pinch if salt... and your tales too.

That's your own cup of tea. Even prophets of God were never taken serious and their words discarded by those who disbelieve. You make yourself too important bro.

Abuamam:
I dont have interest in reading your rantings.
Twist yourself into knots all you like. I have enough 'hadith' or whatever you call your stories, that tell us EXACTLY how many companions your maraji' say remained as muslims while the others became unbelievers. And if that is not an insult, I dont know what is.
I could upload videos of a number of your maraji' using unprintable language against the mothers of the believers, especially the most beloved of the prophet (saw) on live TV.
Your maraji' penchant for taqiyyah is legendary. So forgive me for taking Sistani's fatwa with a pinch if salt... and your tales too.

no need for drama.no one is seeking your approval or belief.

there is a list on wikipedia of the sahaba who refused to give ba'yah (allegiance) to abu bakr after the infamous coup at Saqifa Banu Saeda, and these are not considered "apostates" by the Shia. the list is long. they were not only "three" who remained loyal to the Ahlul-Bayt (as). they were many, and they stood by the prophetic tradition of Ghadir Khumm.

you can find the list here:

"List of Sahabah that did not give Bay'ah to Abu Bakr"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sahabah_that_did_not_give_Bay'ah_to_Abu_Bakr

AlBaqir:


Its being a long time brother. By now, I thought, you should have had an 'hypermetropic' way and more mature assessment of thread. But here you are - same old brother with his myopic way of thinking.

here is another brother who has failed to realise that hypermetropia is another form of disease, which is worse, at least in my own opinion.

It is shameful you know putting the blame of those who divided muslims and destroyed the bond of brotherhood, on Albaqir.

According to Ibn Abbas in a Sahih ahadith, calamity and tribulations that befell muslim brotherhood began on the death-bed of the prophet when he was denied to write a guidance document for his Ummah, and he was accused of being mad.

The division got to the stage of bloody civil war. It continues till today. People like you pretend as if all is rosy among muslims. If we are not ready to expose the clowns among ourselves, they will eventually sink the boat of the brotherhood.

conspiracy theories !!!

it is people like you that always fuel discord by your hypermetropic manner of quick segregation and sectarism. I wonder if you can even breathe without having to identify some people as this and that and immediately slaughtering them like cows with your antagonist view.

So according to your ideology/solution, ALL of the above should just jump into the ship of brotherhood in the name of 'unity' while their hearts is filled with hatred and deadly venom for each other?

One of your revere sheiks, Dr. Yasir al-Qadhi, of recent confirmed his hatred and false accusations towards Shi'a is out of ignorance, false informations, copy-pasted replies without verifications etc. Now his stand towards the Shi'a has changed. Somebody that used to declare as Kafir now can embrace shi'a as his muslim brother. That's the power of mutual understanding.

If we don't sincerely study and know each other, there's no way a sincere unity can be established among different muslim's sect.

it is the heart of people like you and others who find joy in secting out muslim brotherhood that is filled with hate and venom, destroying the image of this beautiful deen. I can't even identify someone as sunni shia when I see them. I may often mistake a sikh for a muslim if time is not taken, so for me, a muslim is a Muslim. I got to know of Shiites when I got to nl.

and is castigating the other acclaimed sect your way of studying and getting to know them? you must need a dose of deliverance. understanding their points and trying to come into common terms with them is a better way my dear brother.

Is it an Atrocity that I circulate a fatwa from a shi'a Ayatullah that abusing/cursing 'some' sahaba is lack of respect for the holy prophet (peace be on him and his progeny)?

Is it an Atrocity that I tried to expose a faction hiding under the mainstream 'Shi'a' who enjoyed and made it an obligatory act to curse 'Aisha and Hafsa', both wives of the prophet and other companions; yet people like you never hesitate to accuse ALL Shi'a of doing that?

Its a shame brother that you are too myopic and sentimental in your judgment.

Quran and the holy prophet warned us (from the past ummah, present and future) against segregation yet we divide ourselves into sects to the point of waging war in all forms at each other. Accusing me of this show your low level of understanding and expose your deep hatred. You completely failed to grasp the message/information this thread is dishing out. That's what hatred does - it blinds one's sense of understanding.

is the attribute of coursing the companions not a core and integral part of your shia brotherhood? have you yourself not condemned this people to hell? you better be warned, so you don't become a mushrik

yes you confirm Allah warned us against secting ourselves but this is a crime I have found you committing over and over again, without disappointing me for once. I mean you are so fast at that. hypermetropia is also a disease, I tell you.

Are you scared of my long notes? Oh! those long notes always raised your blood pressure high? Or it increase your deep hatred?
Kindly learn how to keep silent or turn the other way if something detest you. Don't be obsessed by my threads.

Ma sha Allah. Thanks for your advice. It is also what you need being better muslim. How I live my life and conduct my affairs with my intentions is best known to my Lord and He is the best judge and disposer of all affairs.

Wa Salam alaykum

your long notes dont give me hypertension. they give me nausea, because at the end of the day, they are filled with castigations and portray hatred fpr other Muslims. what is the essence of extra sheet when all you'll do is fail. it is conspiracy theories that always require long notes in order to make it look real.

change your ways from your hypermetropic style of slandering your brothers!

wa alaykum salaam.

golpen:


here is another brother who has failed to realise that hypermetropia is another form of disease, which is worse, at least in my own opinion.

Ma sha Allah. I can live with that bro @underlined. Let me remind you of a Yoruba adage which says: "igi gogoro magun miloju atokere lati wo"

Myopic is worse disease. You will never know what hit you until its right before your nose. If you dare watch a dangerous sharp edge stick myopically, it will damage your eye.

golpen:

conspiracy theories !!!

it is people like you that always fuel discord by your hypermetropic manner of quick segregation and sectarism. I wonder if you can even breathe without having to identify some people as this and that and immediately slaughtering them like cows with your antagonist view.

golpen:

it is the heart of people like you and others who find joy in secting out muslim brotherhood that is filled with hate and venom, destroying the image of this beautiful deen. I can't even identify someone as sunni shia when I see them. I may often mistake a sikh for a muslim if time is not taken, so for me, a muslim is a Muslim. I got to know of Shiites when I got to nl.

Should I accuse you of Ignorance or pretension? Everything you practice including your ideology is Sunni-tic. Why and how did you adopted that? Ignorantly or convincingly? That makes you a Sunni in every perspective even if you don't call yourself one.

The differences in jurisprudence even among the Sunni is encyclopediaic. You need to know what you are doing and why you do it. Islam hates blind followership.

golpen:

and is castigating the other acclaimed sect your way of studying and getting to know them? you must need a dose of deliverance. understanding their points and trying to come into common terms with them is a better way my dear brother.

Brother, this is not a do or die affair. Learn how to keep silent if you don't have heart for discussing muslim segreggations.

I have told you once with ample evidence the importance of getting to each sects among muslims. We all crave for unity yet we do not know each other's aqeedah. I can never embrace my brethren with open hands yet having his hatred in my heart. If that works for you, fine.

I pray behind Sunni Imams yet they are not ready to pray behind a Shi'a. Those who do among them are called back saying he's a kafir. I have escaped so many attacks for been a Shi'a. Being a Shi'a mean having other view apart from the majority. So what's the fuss.

Pls back off and give me space to breathe bro.

golpen:

is the attribute of coursing the companions not a core and integral part of your shia brotherhood? have you yourself not condemned this people to hell? you better be warned, so you don't become a mushrik

@underline,
So how do you know that if you are not concern about Shi'a - sunni differences?

Quran condemned those among them who disbelieve after having believe! Quran condemned the Munafiq (hypocrites) among them. These two groups were cursed by Allah in the Quran; and the holy prophet promised to disowned them on the day of judgment.

My obligation to watch closely not to fall to wrong hands. Then I found a safe haven in al-Thaqalayn - the two weighty legacy of Muhammad (saws) in "Quran and ahl al-Bayt. And that makes me who I am.

If that makes me a Mushrik in your terminology of "Shirk manufacturing industry", so be it.

golpen:

yes you confirm Allah warned us against secting ourselves but this is a crime I have found you committing over and over again, without disappointing me for once. I mean you are so fast at that. hypermetropia is also a disease, I tell you.

Has your ref books never documented the hadith which says the Ummah of Muhammad (saws) will be divided into 73 factions and ONLY one will end up in paradise?

My strive and effort is to recognize that ONLY ONE. Sleep and seat like sitting duck all you want, Allah will judge the difference between us.

golpen:

your long notes dont give me hypertension. they give me nausea, because at the end of the day, they are filled with castigations and portray hatred fpr other Muslims. what is the essence of extra sheet when all you'll do is fail. it is conspiracy theories that always require long notes in order to make it look real.

change your ways from your hypermetropic style of slandering your brothers!

wa alaykum salaam.

Am happy to hear you don't develop heart attack due to my epistles. Nausea, well that's another abnormal symptoms may Allah cure you of it.

Call it "conspiracy theory" so far there are undeniable evidence in your revere ref books, that will be proof against you on the day of judgment.

Thanks for your time bro.

LagosShia:

there is a list on wikipedia of the sahaba who refused to give ba'yah (allegiance) to abu bakr after the infamous coup at Saqifa Banu Saeda, and these are not considered "apostates" by the Shia. the list is long. they were not only "three" who remained loyal to the Ahlul-Bayt (as)

That is how you give out little nuggets of your real beliefs from behind the mask of taqoyyah. Who mentioned 'only 3'?

@albaqir.
Go on twisting words that only the ignorant will accept. Your sect share that attribute along with the religion of your originator; Abdullah ib Saba', the Paul of Islam. Don't bother denying his existence the way you did before.

Ziyarat ashura curses entire families not a few selected sahaba. Even if your dubious interpretation is true, of the ahadith of members of the ummah turning back after the death of the prophet (saw), who are your maraji' to be naming those sahaba, many of whom were present at the bay'a of Hudaibiyyah; and whom Allah Himself stated that He was pleased with them (ra); but your maraji' are not? Who are they to undermine the reputation of his most beloved wife (ra) and the most beloved person to him, by asserting what Allah himself refuted in the Qur'an? Who are your maraji' to assert the hypocrisy of the righteous khulafa'; who they curse and call names in their du'a (which I cannot post here) and who all are mentioned in numerous hadith extolling their faith, many narrated by Ali ibn abi Talib, who followed the Sunnah and who married into the sunnis, and married from them; and whose children and children's children were named after them. (incidentally, none of Ali bin abi Talib's progeny who the rafidhis claim to follow, married into their sect. Shows how much they disliked their own "shi'a" ).

When I posted the evidence, you did not refute it. When they took it down, the floodgates of nonsense opened. You claim only 'some' rafidhi maraji' extremists subscribe to cursing, yet they practice freely in Iran and other rafidhi enclaves and are given government grants and 'khumus' and wear black and white tyres on their heads. At least Sunni extremists are identified and condemned, not given lecture time on sunni national tv like the Yasir you are denying.

BTW, if I am 'programmed' to believe that every word the rafidhis utter is taqiyyah, who programmed me? Go read aesop's fable about the lying shepherd boy and the wolf. Maybe you will understand why a liar is never believed.

Abuamam:

That is how you give out little nuggets of your real beliefs from behind the mask of taqoyyah. Who mentioned 'only 3'?

you keep making baseless claims, and throwing words you cannot back up. you then expect us to "chase" you, and clarify. for how long would we continue clarifying ignorance because you have chosen it as a way? you are what the Holy Qur'an describes in the below:

Holy Quran 7:176
"And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought."

@albaqir.
Go on twisting words that only the ignorant will accept. Your sect share that attribute along with the religion of your originator; Abdullah ib Saba', the Paul of Islam. Don't bother denying his existence the way you did before.

read about Sayf ibn Umar al-Usayyidi al-Tamimi, and you will know how the myth of Ibn Saba was concocted. you can even review a past thread on nairaland:
https://www.nairaland.com/1107764/story-sunni-imam-shia-ayatollah/4#13246368

and for your info, the "Paul of Islam" is none other than Abu Hureira, the storyteller who has the most hadiths in your "Sahih Bukhari" and "Sahih Muslim".

Abu Hurairah or Paul?
http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/abu-hurairah-or-paul

Ziyarat ashura curses entire families not a few selected sahaba. Even if your dubious interpretation is true, of the ahadith of members of the ummah turning back after the death of the prophet (saw), who are your maraji' to be naming those sahaba, many of whom were present at the bay'a of Hudaibiyyah; and whom Allah Himself stated that He was pleased with them (ra); but your maraji' are not? Who are they to undermine the reputation of his most beloved wife (ra) and the most beloved person to him, by asserting what Allah himself refuted in the Qur'an? Who are your maraji' to assert the hypocrisy of the righteous khulafa'; who they curse and call names in their du'a (which I cannot post here) and who all are mentioned in numerous hadith extolling their faith, many narrated by Ali ibn abi Talib, who followed the Sunnah and who married into the sunnis, and married from them; and whose children and children's children were named after them. (incidentally, none of Ali bin abi Talib's progeny who the rafidhis claim to follow, married into their sect. Shows how much they disliked their own "shi'a" ).
When I posted the evidence, you did not refute it. When they took it down, the floodgates of nonsense opened. You claim only 'some' rafidhi maraji' extremists subscribe to cursing, yet they practice freely in Iran and other rafidhi enclaves and are given government grants and 'khumus' and wear black and white tyres on their heads. At least Sunni extremists are identified and condemned, not given lecture time on sunni national tv like the Yasir you are denying.
BTW, if I am 'programmed' to believe that every word the rafidhis utter is taqiyyah, who programmed me? Go read aesop's fable about the lying shepherd boy and the wolf. Maybe you will understand why a liar is never believed.

you have just uttered trash.

i wont go into details because it would be futile. it is not our maraji who cursed and condemned those sahabis who went astray and turned back on their heels. it is first and foremost the Quran that labeled some as "hypocrites" in the very lifetime of the Prophet (sa), and afterward it is the holy Imams of the Prophet's Ahlul-Bayt (as). further, go into Sunni hadiths, you will find the hadiths about the incident of Aqabah and the 12 hypocrites who planned to assassinate the Prophet (sa). that is 12 hypocrites the Prophet (sa) disclosed their names, and they knew themselves and confessed to their evils in Sunni hadiths. and among these 12 are sahabis that Sunnis idolize.

we do not assert she committed zina (adultery) because the Quran absolves her. however, she committed what is worse than zina: mass killings in the Battle of Jamal and disobeying the Prophet (sa) on several occasions to the extent that the Holy Quran in Surat Tahreem testifies of her kufr!

who were those "Sunnis" that Imam Ali (as) married? this is new!

look at how many of our scholars wear black turbans (of course what you referred to as "black tyres" in utter rudeness following the footsteps of your predecessor who questioned the Prophet's truthfulness in Hudaibiyyah) to signify their descent from the holy Prophet (sa), and carry the title of "sayyid" instead of wearing a white turban (white tyre, we are proud of the "tyres" our ulama wear) by those who carry the title of "sheikh".

no, Sunnis who pass takfir, i.e. the Wahhabis/Salafists, are not condemned for their takfiri ideology. just recently, after the terrorist shooting in Ahsaa, Saudi Arabia, on Ashura that killed about 10 Saudi Shias (mostly children), the saudi interior minister shut down a tv channel (al-wisal) that had called for the killing of Shias. just a day after, the interior minister, abdul-aziz khoja, was forced to resign and the tv channel resumed broadcasting hate. your terror acts and attitude have given islam and muslims a bad image. dont try to play nice. you are not. your beliefs by terror takfiri pseudo-scholars like ibn taymiyyah and ibn abdul-wahab have caused Islam and Muslims their image in the world. every terror group that goes about bombing churches and mosques, and killing innocent civilians for holding different religious beliefs, has its takfiri ideology in wahhabism/salafism. i am not talking about mere takfirism which every religion holds against the other. i am talking about killing in the name of takfirism, or takfiri killings.

and for the millionth time, Imam Ali (as) didnt name his children to honor tyrants. those names were "kunya" (nicknames) given, and in fact not real names (e.g. abu bakr). for a name like Usman, one of the sahaba of the Prophet (sa) was Usman Ibn Hunaif (as), a pioneer Shia of Imam Ali (as). he did not give bay'ah (allegiance) to Abu Bakr after the coup at Saqifah Banu Saeda. Usthman Ibn Hunaif (RA) was a loyal disciple of Imam Ali (as) along notable sahabis of the Prophet (sa) like Salman, Bilal, al-Miqdad, Ammar and Abu Dhar (RA).

and finally, please stop disgracing your religion (Islam) that you claim. Taqiyyah is in the Quran. it is an Islamic belief supported in the Quran. the Shia practice taqiyyah under two conditions: 1.) when life is in danger 2.) when our property are at risk. there are conditions for taqiyyah, just as there are rules for mut'ah. but you senseless ones you associate taqiyyah with lying, just as you associate mut'ah marriage with illicit sex. yet, you will admit that mut'ah was practiced in the very days of the Prophet (sa), allowed by the Prophet (sa), and only later on forbidden. so the Prophet (sa) allowed "zina" and later forbade it? that is what your people claim when they talk down on mut'ah. please go and learn. go to school. foolish man.

kazlaw2000:
Glad to hear this. I hope this will restrain those who engage in cursing the companions. There should be no tolerance for extreme views.

They haven't bro.

TheLight001:
So in essence, you accept that the shi'a do
send la'an to Abu Bakr As-Sadiq (RA), Umar
Ibn Khattab (RA), Usthman (RA) , and
Muawiya (RA)?

Lagosshia: yes, we do. in Ziyarat Ashura, the "first zalim
(oppressor) who oppressed the rights of Al-
Muhammad" refers to Abu Bakr, the "second"
refers to Umar, and the "third" to Usthman. then
Muawiya, Yazeed, and al-Abi Sufyan (the
family of abi sufyan) and banu umayyah are stated explicitly. dua sanamay quraysh
(supplication against the two idols of quraysh)
refers to the two perpetrators of Saqifah Banu
Saeeda, i.e. Abu bakr and Umar.
there is no
taqiyyah in this as some lunatics want to
dramatize. it is our beliefs, and we have been killed and oppressed and persecuted because
we hold certain beliefs others cannot tolerate.

other than that, we do not insult anyone. la'nat
is a divine sunnah as already explained. our
position on some sahabis and our opposition to
them is way more respectable than the slander in Sunni books against other sahabis like
Mukhtar Ibn Ubaydullah al-Thaqafi (RA), Hujr
Ibn Adi (RA) and Malik Ibn Nuweira (RA) whom
the Shia honor and hold in high esteem for their
steadfastness and loyalty in the cause of the
Ahlul-Bayt (as)..

www.nairaland.com/2000112/sahaba-again-reminder-may-benefit

AlBaqir,which category of Shia does the poster I quoted falls into?

Abuamam:

@albaqir.
Go on twisting words that only the ignorant will accept. Your sect share that attribute along with the religion of your originator; Abdullah ib Saba', the Paul of Islam. Don't bother denying his existence the way you did before.

Honestly your problem is fanaticism. Only ignorant of highest order continue to talk about the fairy-tales of a personality called Abdullah ibn Saba.

No wonder you are so scared of being exposed about your propagandas on Abdullah ibn Saba @bolded.

Even your eminent scholars have shut their mouth on Abdullah ibn Saba's propagandas. Its a myth manufactured by your shuyukh.

Try it and in sha Allah you shall be flogged and schooled.

Abuamam:

Ziyarat ashura curses entire families not a few selected sahaba. Even if your dubious interpretation is true, of the ahadith of members of the ummah turning back after the death of the prophet (saw),

Ma sha Allah! "Dubious"? Using names is a sign of being frustrated. Call it "dubious" so long I can see you are schooled there @underlined. Those are facts you can never denied. No doubt those facts had destroyed a part in your age-long programming that ALL sahaba were righteous and will enter jannah irrespective of their deeds.

Abuamam:

who are your maraji' to be naming those sahaba, many of whom were present at the bay'a of Hudaibiyyah; and whom Allah Himself stated that He was pleased with them (ra); but your maraji' are not?

Allah is just in His dealing. "Verily, the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you" therefore if our marja fit that status in Allah's sight, it is for Him and Him ALONE to judge.

As per the Sahaba who paid allegiance to the holy prophet under tree, Allah says about them:
Verily, those who give Bai'a (pledge) to you (O Muhammad SAW) they are giving Bai'a (pledge) to Allah. The Hand of Allah is over their hands. Then whosoever breaks his pledge, breaks only to his own harm, and whosoever fulfills what he has covenanted with Allah, He will bestow on him a great reward. ~sura al-Fath: 10

Kindly Pay attention to the bolded. A righteous deed should be followed and maintained. Did sahaba broke their allegiance?

Here's a testimony documented by Imam al-Bukhari:

Ahmad b. Ishkab - Muhammad b. Fudayl - al-'Ala b. Al-Musayyab - his father (al-Musayyab):
"I met al-Bara b. Azib and I said, "Congratulations to you! You kept company of the prophet, peace be upon him, and gave him ba'yah under the tree.' As a result of this, he replied, "O son of my brother, you do not know what WE HAVE INNOVATED after him.
~Sahih al-Bukhari vol.4 p. 1529, #3937

Abuamam what do you need for conviction again? Fanaticism is not Islam. Blind followership is not Islam.

Abuamam:

Who are they to undermine the reputation of his most beloved wife (ra) and the most beloved person to him,

As per the above, your fairy-tales ahadith and mythical belief which gave those informations that 'Aisha (and probably Hafsah) were the most beloved of the prophet, were CRUSHED by the golden, infallible ayah of the Qur'an. Both of them were EXPOSED:

"And when the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives, so when she told it, and Allah made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, "Who told you this?" He said, "The All-knower, the All-Aware has told me." If you two repent to Allah, for your hearts have deviated. But if you both help each other against him, then Allah is his Helper (against you both), and Jibril, and the righteous believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers. It may be if he divorced you that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you: Muslims, believers, obedient, repentant, devoted, fasting whether previously married or virgins"
~Surah Tahrim.

Note: What does wives (women) better than you means in your language? Then Allah revealed explicitly the qualities to be found in those women. Meaning 'Aisha and Hafsah NEVER had these qualities.

Imam Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 597 H):
"Then He (Allah) addressed 'Aisha and Hafsah: {If you both repent to Allah}, meaning from helping each other against the Messenger of Allah to hurt him. {For your hearts have deviated}. Ibn Abbas said: "They (the hearts) deviated (zaghat) and committed a sin."
Al-Zajaj said, "They (the hearts) deviated, and deviated from the Truth." ...
~Zad al-Masir fi 'Ilm al-Tafsir, vol.8, p. 52

Allah bring forth example of Nabi Nuh and Lut's wives who betrayed their noble husbands. All Mufassir are unanimously agreed that those wives crime were "divulging of their husband's secret, and plotting against them". They were destroyed as a matter of that. This is the same crime of 'Aisha and Hafsah in the Surah. Yet Allah in his infinite mercy gave them the chance to repent. Do they? Battle of Jamal says it all. What is the punishment of Rebel in Islam?

Interestingly, Allah declared:
"The Day whereon neither wealth nor sons will avail, except him who brings to Allah a clean heart."

Bring forth thousands of your pseudo-hadith on 'Aisha, a single verse of the Qur'an knocked them off.

Abuamam:

by asserting what Allah himself refuted in the Qur'an?

This refer to alleged Zina in which the munafiq among the sahaba accused 'Aisha of. They hope to stained the personality of Muhammad (peace be on him and his household) with that. Allah condemned all the perpetrators and liars. No matter how deviated the heart of 'Umm al-Mu'minin 'Aisha is, she was NEVER a fornicator.
I hope you will bring forth Shi'i sources that document that and you shall be schooled of your ignorance in sha Allah

Abuamam:

Who are your maraji' to assert the hypocrisy of the righteous khulafa'; who they curse and call names in their du'a (which I cannot post here) and who all are mentioned in numerous hadith extolling their faith, many narrated by Ali ibn abi Talib,

Our Maraji' never invented that dear Abuamam. Here's Imam Muslim:
Umar acknowledge the following to Imam 'Ali (as):
"When the Messenger of Allah (saws) passed away, Abu Bakar said: 'I am the wali of the Messenger of Allah."...So both of you ('Ali and 'Abbas) thought him (i.e Abu Bakar) to be A LIAR, SINFUL, TREACHEROUS and DISHONEST. And Allah knows that he was truthful, pious, rightly-guided and a follower of the truth. Abu Bakar died and I became the wali of the Messenger of Allah(saws), and the wali of Abu Bakar. So both of you thought me to be a LIAR, SINFUL, TREACHEROUS and DISHONEST
~Sahih Muslim vol.3 p.1376, #1757.

You are shocked As you can clearly see the stance of 'Imam muttaqin, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib (as) on Abu Bakar and Umar.

Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, documented this hadith with sahih/hassan chain where 'Ali said:
"The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "Verily, this Ummah will soon betray you after me."
~al-Matalib al-'Aliyah bi Zawaid al-Masanid al-Thamaniyyah, vol. 1 p. 65 #3920

Imam al-Hakim also documented, 'Ali said:
"Verily, part of what the prophet, peace be upon him, told me is that the Ummah would soon betray you after me; and you will live upon my religion, and you will be killed upon my Sunnah. Whoever loves you loves me, and whoever hates you hates me..."
~al-Mustadrak 'ala al-Sahihayn, vol. 3 p. 150, #4676.

We simply don't associate ourselves with liars, betrayals etc. If you can, I salute your belief.

Abuamam:

When I posted the evidence, you did not refute it. When they took it down, the floodgates of nonsense opened.

Which evidence? I didn't see anything bro.

Abuamam:

You claim only 'some' rafidhi maraji' extremists subscribe to cursing, yet they practice freely in Iran

Ma sha Allah! You sound to have been in Iran before A good muslim doesn't claim what he knows nothing about.

Abuamam:

BTW, if I am 'programmed' to believe that every word the rafidhis utter is taqiyyah, who programmed me? Go read aesop's fable about the lying shepherd boy and the wolf. Maybe you will understand why a liar is never believed.

You can relay those episode and fairy-tales to "amam" perhaps.

Honestly you are too far behind to dialogue in the light of the Qur'an, hadith, opinion of Ulamas, history and philosophy. May Allah open up your heart to embrace the truth.

Salam

LagosShia:



who were those "Sunnis" that Imam Ali (as) married? this is new!

Perhaps they just manufacture another propaganda product.

LagosShia:

look at how many of our scholars wear black turbans (of course what you referred to as "black tyres" in utter rudeness following the footsteps of your predecessor who questioned the Prophet's truthfulness in Hudaibiyyah) to signify their descent from the holy Prophet (sa), and carry the title of "sayyid" instead of wearing a white turban (white tyre, we are proud of the "tyres" our ulama wear) by those who carry the title of "sheikh".

Black tyres? Really all I see is a typical breed of wahabi-salafi hate-ism. May Allah strenghten you brother. You handle him well.

LagosShia:

and for the millionth time, Imam Ali (as) didnt name his children to honor tyrants. those names were "kunya" (nicknames) given, and in fact not real names (e.g. abu bakr). for a name like Usman, one of the sahaba of the Prophet (sa) was Usman Ibn Hunaif (as), a pioneer Shia of Imam Ali (as). he did not give bay'ah (allegiance) to Abu Bakr after the coup at Saqifah Banu Saeda. Usthman Ibn Hunaif (RA) was a loyal disciple of Imam Ali (as) along notable sahabis of the Prophet (sa) like Salman, Bilal, al-Miqdad, Ammar and Abu Dhar (RA).

Is one who's being spoonfeed equal to he who research into Islamic history? Abuaman only know of ONE Uthman among thousands of Sahaba of Muhammad.

lanrexlan:
They haven't bro.

Really many haven't. And its killing them because it build more hatred. Unity is far to achieve in such circumstance. How will you react for somebody to insult or curse somebody you revere?

Its sad!

lanrexlan:

www.nairaland.com/2000112/sahaba-again-reminder-may-benefit

AlBaqir,which category of Shia does the poster I quoted falls into?

so you've stylishly tagged me "expert in categorization". just joking brother. I just detest the "Yasiris". I watched some of their videos on youtube and and on their Tv and I was really disturbed. They are the takfiri of the Shi'a world. LagosShia is not a Yasiri. He is an ithna Ashari as I am also. He's however the type that will give you reply as you ask. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth


Sincerely speaking all Shi'a recite Ziarat Ashura and we send Allah's la'na on the perpetrators of the masscre of Kar'bala. Q.4:93 is our evidence on that. And wahabi grand sheik, ibn Taymiyyah also concur. Sunni are scared to uphold that Quranic verdict.

What I cannot stand is the la'na of Umm al-Mu'min 'Aisha even despite the way Allah and historical references exposed her sins in the Quran and other books. Weather we like it or not, she still remain "mother of the believer" and even in our sahih hadith, Imam Ali rebuked those who intend to take her captive after she lost the battle of Jamal and the blessed Imam said: "Who will want to take his mother as captive?"

This is an indication that she still retain her title. Muhammad (saws) had a reason not to divorce her and we should respect that. But that title does not erase her sins as Quran says Allah only welcome a clean heart.

As per Abu Bakar, Umar and Uthman; in as much that I don't recognize their khilafa, in as much as Imam 'Ali as documented by Imam Muslim in his Sahih (shown above for Abuamam), thought them to be liars, sinful, and treacherous, Imam never curse them so why would I?

What they have with their Lord is more than enough for them and He is the best judge of all affair.

^^^
Thanks for the reply.
LagosShia,make una drink water sometimes o

AlBaqir:


Ma sha Allah. I can live with that bro @underlined. Let me remind you of a Yoruba adage which says: "igi gogoro magun miloju atokere lati wo"

Myopic is worse disease. You will never know what hit you until its right before your nose. If you dare watch a dangerous sharp edge stick myopically, it will damage your eye.

I don't have a time to explain why hypermetropia in this case is worse, but maturity is not about speaking or being the big things, it's majorly about understanding the little ones. and letting your imaginations run too wild is actually weird.

Should I accuse you of Ignorance or pretension? Everything you practice including your ideology is Sunni-tic. Why and how did you adopted that? Ignorantly or convincingly? That makes you a Sunni in every perspective even if you don't call yourself one.

The differences in jurisprudence even among the Sunni is encyclopediaic. You need to know what you are doing and why you do it. Islam hates blind followership.

I have a name for what is affecting you it is called HYPERMETROPIC TAXONOMOSIS ...the uncontrollable ure to divide people into sects by letting out the cat out of the bag of your imaginations.

imagine you're not proving me wrong at all....stuck tagging me a sunni when I've not yet called myself one.

Brother, this is not a do or die affair. Learn how to keep silent if you don't have heart for discussing muslim segreggations.

I'm only warning you against what allah forbids us as muslims...breaking ties of islamic brotherhood!

I have told you once with ample evidence the importance of getting to each sects among muslims. We all crave for unity yet we do not know each other's aqeedah. I can never embrace my brethren with open hands yet having his hatred in my heart. If that works for you, fine.

oh! look at this man! then you can embrace him after castigating him, cursing his reverie and showing to him that he is not a part of you at least in some aspects and ideas, by quenching the thirst of your hates and venom.

I pray behind Sunni Imams yet they are not ready to pray behind a Shi'a. Those who do among them are called back saying he's a kafir. I have escaped so many attacks for been a Shi'a. Being a Shi'a mean having other view apart from the majority. So what's the fuss.

Pls back off and give me space to breathe bro.

for what the heck do I care about thowe whom you pray behind? you aint doing that cos of me brother. that's for Allah to judge your intentions and actions. and you won't have typed all these if you weren't breathing.

@underline,
So how do you know that if you are not concern about Shi'a - sunni differences?

Quran condemned those among them who disbelieve after having believe! Quran condemned the Munafiq (hypocrites) among them. These two groups were cursed by Allah in the Quran; and the holy prophet promised to disowned them on the day of judgment.

My obligation to watch closely not to fall to wrong hands. Then I found a safe haven in al-Thaqalayn - the two weighty legacy of Muhammad (saws) in "Quran and ahl al-Bayt. And that makes me who I am.

If that makes me a Mushrik in your terminology of "Shirk manufacturing industry", so be it.

I got to know that through your posts here on NL and you dont want to know how surprised you rendered me to let notice that some people act this way

you Shia people have not even left Allah and the holy prophet to identify these people on the day of judgement before you've started taghing and cursing them.

it's not my business what you make of yourself and where you find your haven. Allah knows best and I've only warned you against being one. if you don't have comprehension problems, I've not built an industry to call you a mushrik or munafiq...

Has your ref books never documented the hadith which says the Ummah of Muhammad (saws) will be divided into 73 factions and ONLY one will end up in paradise?

My strive and effort is to recognize that ONLY ONE. Sleep and seat like sitting duck all you want, Allah will judge the difference between us.

and does that ref book encourage that you strive to split it into 146?

who would have known you are expecting judgement from Allah? you have even judged some people in the courts of your mouth and creed.

Am happy to hear you don't develop heart attack due to my epistles. Nausea, well that's another abnormal symptoms may Allah cure you of it.

Call it "conspiracy theory" so far there are undeniable evidence in your revere ref books, that will be proof against you on the day of judgment.

Thanks for your time bro.

hehhehe! this my brother is very funny...imagine he's so sure a book will stand against me on a day he does not even know how to go about himself

I don't have your time again sef.

Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei's Fatwa against Insulting Of Companions of Prophet

In a welcome development Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei, the most revered Shia religious scholar has held the practice of maligning and insulting Ummul Momineen Hazrat Ayesha and Companions of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be to him) as prohibited (haram). This practice called tabarra, is infused of political rivalries of early Islamic period and has been a great cause of Shia-Sunni discontent.

The Supreme Leader of Islamic Republic of Iran Imam Khamenei, who is equally respected by Sunnis as a distinguished scholar and authority of Jafri School of Fiqh, declared in a religious edict (fatwa):

“Insulting the symbols of the Sunni brothers, including the Prophet Muhammad’s wife [Ayesha] is forbidden. This includes the women of all prophets and especially the holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), the leader of all Prophets.”

The fatwa, neglected by western media and criticised by opponents of Muslim unity, is widely welcomed by Sunni Ulama. The fatwa is in response of a query by religious scholars and intelligentsia of al-Ahsa city, in KSA.

The Fatwa came only a few weeks after one ‘Sheikh’ Yasser al-Habib, a self-styled champion of Shia cause, in a Ramadan related function in London spew venom against Ummul Momineen Hazrat Ayesha R.A., her father, the most trusted friend and
companion of the Prophet and first Caliph of Islam Hazrat Abū Bakr Siddiq and the second Caliph Hazrat Umar R.A. Al-Habib is a former Military Officer of Kuwait and presently living as self-exiled political refugee in U.K. He has been infamous for his bed mouth utterances against Sunnis. Al-Habib’s uncivilised comments, widely reported by western media, led to political commotions in Kuwait, which is home to a sizable Shia minority as the Cabinet decided to strip him of his citizenship.

Imam Khamenei’s Fatwa has eased the tensions and has been taken as a good gesture by Sunni scholars all over the Islamic world.

Kuwait government warmly welcomed the Fatwa of Shia cleric. The official News Agency KUNA reported on October 4 that the“Government has praised Muslim scholars to address discord and sectarian extremism, while commending Iran’s spiritual leader Ali Khamenei’s religious decree (fatwa) in which he forbid offending Sayyeda Aisha, wife of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), or any Muslim icon.”

www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?112593-Ayatollah-Sayyed-Ali-Khamenei-s-Fatwa-against-Insulting-Of-Companions-of-Prophet

OK. Noted.
Does this include the 100 laanat (curses) recited by all of you on ashura, or are those curses exempted?
Note that I am not arguing. I just want to understand the extent of the fatwa by Khameini and alSistani.
Thank you for the anticipated clarification.

In case you do not know the du'a I am referring to, it is this one here:

http://www.duas.org/ashura/z_ashura.htm

Abuamam:
OK. Noted.
Does this include the 100 laanat (curses) recited by all of you on ashura, or are those curses exempted?
Note that I am not arguing. I just want to understand the extent of the fatwa by Khameini and alSistani.
Thank you for the anticipated clarification.
In case you do not know the du'a I am referring to, it is this one here:
http://www.duas.org/ashura/z_ashura.htm

Masha Allah!

Abuamam:
OK. Noted.
Does this include the 100 laanat (curses) recited by all of you on ashura, or are those curses exempted?
Note that I am not arguing. I just want to understand the extent of the fatwa by Khameini and alSistani.
Thank you for the anticipated clarification.

In case you do not know the du'a I am referring to, it is this one here:

http://www.duas.org/ashura/z_ashura.htm

MrOlai:

Masha Allah!

1. Ziyarat Ashura - a du'a requesting Allah's blessings and mercy; and expression of sorrow and heavy heart upon the souls of the martyrs of Kar'bala among whom was al-Hussain and other members of the family of the prophet (peace be on him and his household), and their supporters.

Its saddened none of you see this du'a this way.

2. It is also a du'a requesting Allah's curse and wrath and displeasure and judgment on the perpetrators of the heinous act of the massacre of Kar'bala in line with the Qur'an:
And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him. ~sura Nisa:93

3. As per the Fatwa of our Mar'ja, it is being derived from the order of the Aimma of the ahl al-bayt, which is to observe "al-mudaaraat" in their hadith terminology meaning "Courtesy", "civilized behaviour".

Interestingly there is "Kitaab al-Mudaaraat" in Saheeh al-Bukhaari too and the very first hadith there reads:.

ﻭﻳﺬﻛﺮ ﻋﻦ ﺃﺑﻲ ﺍﻟﺪﺭﺩﺍﺀ ﺇﻧﺎ ﻟﻨﻜﺸﺮ ﻓﻲ ﻭﺟﻮﻩ ﺃﻗﻮﺍﻡ ﻭﺇﻥ
ﻗﻠﻮﺑﻨﺎ ﻟﺘﻠﻌﻨﻬﻢ
It is narrated from Abu Darda:
"We smile in the presence of some people while our hearts curse them."
http://islamport.com/w/mtn/Web/3007/10461.htm

Here's another link:
www.library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=11210&idto=11213&bk_no=52&ID=3420
Do you really have the got to accuse the sahaba or their teacher, the holy Prophet for preaching "al-mudaaraat"?

Again this is "al-mudaaraat" meaning "Courtesy", "civilized behaviour".

Muslims knew christians hate the holy Prophet (peace be on him and his household), some of them even call him liar (I seek Allah's refuge). Yet they don't display this publicly and that makes our relationships amicable even among family members and friends.
Does the Prophet not knew that?

AlBaqir:

There is a sect within the Shi'a taaifa and they are known as the Shirazis. They are led by the "scholars" from the Shirazi family. They generally ALWAYS oppose the Islaamic government in Iran. They also declare Imaam Khomeini and Imaam Khamenei to be kuffaar and they regularly curse both of them.

Another thing they do is: they do their best to frustrate any step that the Iranian government takes to improve ties with Sunni Muslims. Shirazis are extremists generally.

This is the kind of thing Sheik imran was talking about. May God help us. Those people, I believe, are actors funded by Whitewashed forces. I am sick of this.

AlBaqir:




1. Ziyarat Ashura - a du'a requesting Allah's blessings and mercy; and expression of sorrow and heavy heart upon the souls of the martyrs of Kar'bala among whom was al-Hussain and other members of the family of the prophet (peace be on him and his household), and their supporters.

Its saddened none of you see this du'a this way.

2. It is also a du'a requesting Allah's curse and wrath and displeasure and judgment on the perpetrators of the heinous act of the massacre of Kar'bala in line with the Qur'an:
And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him. ~sura Nisa:93

3. As per the Fatwa of our Mar'ja, it is being derived from the order of the Aimma of the ahl al-bayt, which is to observe "al-mudaaraat" in their hadith terminology meaning "Courtesy", "civilized behaviour".

Interestingly there is "Kitaab al-Mudaaraat" in Saheeh al-Bukhaari too and the very first hadith there reads:.

ﻭﻳﺬﻛﺮ ﻋﻦ ﺃﺑﻲ ﺍﻟﺪﺭﺩﺍﺀ ﺇﻧﺎ ﻟﻨﻜﺸﺮ ﻓﻲ ﻭﺟﻮﻩ ﺃﻗﻮﺍﻡ ﻭﺇﻥ
ﻗﻠﻮﺑﻨﺎ ﻟﺘﻠﻌﻨﻬﻢ
It is narrated from Abu Darda:
"We smile in the presence of some people while our hearts curse them."
http://islamport.com/w/mtn/Web/3007/10461.htm

Here's another link:
www.library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=11210&idto=11213&bk_no=52&ID=3420
Do you really have the got to accuse the sahaba or their teacher, the holy Prophet for preaching "al-mudaaraat"?

Again this is "al-mudaaraat" meaning "Courtesy", "civilized behaviour".

Muslims knew christians hate the holy Prophet (peace be on him and his household), some of them even call him liar (I seek Allah's refuge). Yet they don't display this publicly and that makes our relationships amicable even among family members and friends.
Does the Prophet not knew that?

So I take this rambling off-point side lecture to mean that the fatwa does not cover cursing the three caliphs and friends of the prophet (saw), which we are being falsely implied to were those who Abu Darda intended. (or who does the ziyarat refer to as the 'first five tyrants'?).

What an irony! The Religious Authority Sistani condemns causing Prophet Muhammad's companions but allows it during Ziyarat-ul-Ashura! So, Abubakr, Umar, Uthman, etc (R.A. 'Ajma'in) can be caused 100 times during Ziyarat-ul-Ashura according to Sistani?

MrOlai:
What an irony! The Religious Authority Sistani condemns causing Prophet Muhammad's companions but allows it during Ziyarat-ul-Ashura! So, Abubakr, Umar, Uthman, etc (R.A. 'Ajma'in) can be caused 100 times during Ziyarat-ul-Ashura according to Sistani?

Irony? Perhaps you missed a better word in your dictionary. I know in your dico there is nothing like "courtesy and civilized behavior" which the holy Prophet (peace be on him and his household) enjoined, and now shi'a mar'ja towards 'the enemy'.
Note that if our maraji' command us to curse 'the enemies' openly, the worst you can do is to bomb us as you are doing already and that won't stop us till the day of judgment.

And besides, if a word (or fatwa) is said, those who will see it as a positive development will do. Testimony to this in this case, is many sunni countries, organizations, scholars et al who welcome the development. Conversely, those who will label it as lies, hypocrisy, deceit etc will do.
If ziarat Ashura is recited within the four walls of our houses and mosques and gatherings, that's between us and our Lord, and He is the perfect Judge who reward all deeds no matter how small it is. Accusing me of what I do privately is called poke-nosing. Learn from Allah's legislation on the case of adultery.