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Re: Where Is God? by Kay17: 9:02pm On Nov 29, 2014
PastorAIO:


How Huge? And what part do you think something like Heisenberg's uncertainty principle plays on your understanding of identity.

For those who don't know Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.....


This is what is know as the uncertainty principle, that certain quantities, such as position, energy and time, are unknown, except by probabilities. In its purest form, the uncertainty principle states that accurate knowledge of complementarity pairs is impossible. For example, you can measure the location of an electron, but not its momentum (energy) at the same time.


http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast123/lectures/lec06.html

Same webpage also goes on to say...


The wave nature of the microscopic world makes the concept of `position' difficult for subatomic particles. Even a wave packet has some `fuzziness' associated with it. An electron in orbit has no position to speak of, other than it is somewhere in its orbit.



Sinequanon sees the above as a problem of measurements.
Re: Where Is God? by Mrval20(m): 9:09pm On Nov 29, 2014
plaetton:


What exactly do I stand to lose by not believing in this invisible fairy?
Who am I to judge you? I guess we'll all find out on the last day, or don't you also believe there would be judgement day?
Re: Where Is God? by Mrval20(m): 9:12pm On Nov 29, 2014
macof:


So God is of two folds
One Spirit the other Humanoid

Perfect that explains his walking through the garden of Eden like A man would

I jst wonder is this the origin of God the father, God the holy spirit undecided
Humanoid?
Re: Where Is God? by baye2023(m): 9:14pm On Nov 29, 2014
Weah96:


There is no argument about the wind being real. If the God of that bible is within you, then you need help. The man sacrificed his own son.


Lmfaooo...God of d bible? Well m nt a xtian..i believe in one God...nd he has no son nd no one gave birth to him.."Hes the first and the last" ponder on d last statement
Re: Where Is God? by PastorAIO: 9:18pm On Nov 29, 2014
Kay17:


Sinequanon sees the above as a problem of measurements.

Is macof the same dude as Sinequanon?

It is a problem of measurement.
Re: Where Is God? by macof(m): 9:18pm On Nov 29, 2014
baye2023:


faeces? poor thinking

Mrval20 said I should name anywhere

Pls answer the question
Re: Where Is God? by braintext(m): 9:23pm On Nov 29, 2014
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?


5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.




macof:
I have seen many Christians argue that God is a spirit and so he resides in the spirit realm

Some say he is in heaven, heaven which is in outter space, like we see in the Bible all reference to heaven points to somewhere in the sky

Others say he is everywhere, as the omnipresent god which he is

Where exactly does God reside, where is he right now?

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Re: Where Is God? by baye2023(m): 9:30pm On Nov 29, 2014
macof:


Mrval20 said I should name anywhere

Pls answer the question

My ans is God is in evryfin, evryfin is nt in God
Re: Where Is God? by macof(m): 9:31pm On Nov 29, 2014
Mrval20:

Humanoid?

Yes. Humanoid - human-like
Re: Where Is God? by macof(m): 9:35pm On Nov 29, 2014
PastorAIO:


How Huge? And what part do you think something like Heisenberg's uncertainty principle plays on your understanding of identity.

For those who don't know Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.....


This is what is know as the uncertainty principle, that certain quantities, such as position, energy and time, are unknown, except by probabilities. In its purest form, the uncertainty principle states that accurate knowledge of complementarity pairs is impossible. For example, you can measure the location of an electron, but not its momentum (energy) at the same time.


http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast123/lectures/lec06.html

Same webpage also goes on to say...


The wave nature of the microscopic world makes the concept of `position' difficult for subatomic particles. Even a wave packet has some `fuzziness' associated with it. An electron in orbit has no position to speak of, other than it is somewhere in its orbit.



And how does this dispute my claim that in order to understand something, its location is of huge importance?
Re: Where Is God? by macof(m): 9:36pm On Nov 29, 2014
braintext:
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?


5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.




Ur little Bible quotes have absolutely nothing to do with this matter
Re: Where Is God? by macof(m): 9:37pm On Nov 29, 2014
baye2023:


My ans is God is in evryfin, evryfin is nt in God

So is God in feces and urine?
Re: Where Is God? by plaetton: 9:42pm On Nov 29, 2014
Mrval20:

Who am I to judge you? I guess we'll all find out on the last day, or don't you also believe there would be judgement day?
Ha ha.
So believing in god is an insurance policy against judgement day?
Big laugh.

But what exactly is being judged on judgement day, quality and contribution to life while on Earth, or the quality of one's superstitious belief while on Earth?

You christians make it seem that judgement day is where god supposedly judges people for what they believed or did not believe.
That would make god as silly as the people that believe in him, even he really exists.

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Re: Where Is God? by baye2023(m): 9:50pm On Nov 29, 2014
macof:


So is God in feces and urine?

Still poor thinking...No..buh God owns all wat led nd digested to faeces nd urine..water,food..organs of Digestion
Re: Where Is God? by GooseBaba: 9:53pm On Nov 29, 2014
davien:
So "god" is dopamine?
That would explain the euphoric feeling...people have when "filled with his prescence"

Science says dopamine..... But the experience is priceless..Bros, the feelings can never be measured nor quantified by any scientific gadgets...

When you see God you're fulfilled... Oh god, oh god arrgggg...heart racing, butt,ocks clenching, toe curling grin and through that act a new life is born.... Check am na..

Look around you. The whole world is fuvking.. grin

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Re: Where Is God? by Kay17: 9:58pm On Nov 29, 2014
PastorAIO:


Is macof the same dude as Sinequanon?

It is a problem of measurement.

I doubt it.
Re: Where Is God? by Weah96: 9:58pm On Nov 29, 2014
GooseBaba:




Look around you. The whole world is fuvking.. grin


Another wise comment from you brother. That is by far the most common activity on this planet.

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Re: Where Is God? by GooseBaba: 10:04pm On Nov 29, 2014
PastorAIO:


How Huge? And what part do you think something like Heisenberg's uncertainty principle plays on your understanding of identity.

For those who don't know Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.....


This is what is know as the uncertainty principle, that certain quantities, such as position, energy and time, are unknown, except by probabilities. In its purest form, the uncertainty principle states that accurate knowledge of complementarity pairs is impossible. For example, you can measure the location of an electron, but not its momentum (energy) at the same time.


http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast123/lectures/lec06.html

Same webpage also goes on to say...


The wave nature of the microscopic world makes the concept of `position' difficult for subatomic particles. Even a wave packet has some `fuzziness' associated with it. An electron in orbit has no position to speak of, other than it is somewhere in its orbit.



The unknown is already known you and scientists are looking at it from the wrong angle....

Position: Doggy or missionary
Energy: eat correct food with correct palm wine
Time: make sure you're ready for five rounds..

Bros, do this things and ye shall be fulfilled...
Re: Where Is God? by macof(m): 10:17pm On Nov 29, 2014
baye2023:


Still poor thinking...No..buh God owns all wat led nd digested to faeces nd urine..water,food..organs of Digestion

Oh but we not talking about ownership here but presence

If God is not present in feces, then he is not present everywhere and in everything, hence ur god is not omnipresent
Re: Where Is God? by Nobody: 10:32pm On Nov 29, 2014
Mrval20:

Yes, I know and I never said He's only in heaven. He lives in heaven but as a spirit, is omnipresent.

That he that lives in heaven(another planet) is also part of God,because you are also a God who lives on another heaven called planet Earth.
Re: Where Is God? by PastorAIO: 2:55am On Nov 30, 2014
GooseBaba:


The unknown is already known you and scientists are looking at it from the wrong angle....

Ehn... you will know. Like Adam knew his wife.
Re: Where Is God? by PastorAIO: 3:07am On Nov 30, 2014
macof:


And how does this dispute my claim that in order to understand something, its location is of huge importance?
macof:

Location is of huge importance in understanding the identity of a thing.

Things are shifting. 'Understanding something' is a lot broader than 'understanding the identity of a thing'.

In order to understand something in the broadest sense I would dispute that its location was that big a deal. You might understand women very well without needing to locate them anywhere.

I was addressing the matter of identity. For that I think location is important. a red ball in london will be identified as a different object from a red ball in Beijing. But A red ball on my office table in ikeja, if I come back an hour later and find a red ball in the same place I am very likely to believe it is the same red ball.


Only one and the same thing can share a precise location with itself. But the issue is that if God cannot be precisely located does that call into question his existence?
Re: Where Is God? by macof(m): 11:05am On Nov 30, 2014
PastorAIO:


Things are shifting. 'Understanding something' is a lot broader than 'understanding the identity of a thing'.

In order to understand something in the broadest sense I would dispute that its location was that big a deal. You might understand women very well without needing to locate them anywhere.

I was addressing the matter of identity. For that I think location is important. a red ball in london will be identified as a different object from a red ball in Beijing. But A red ball on my office table in ikeja, if I come back an hour later and find a red ball in the same place I am very likely to believe it is the same red ball.


Only one and the same thing can share a precise location with itself. But the issue is that if God cannot be precisely located does that call into question his existence?

Here's ur emotional attachments to Christian dogmas playing out

You might as well tell a kid not to ask the whereabouts of his father, whom he has never seen, and yet believe his father is fair, tall, kind and handsome because his neighbor, who also hasn't seen his father says so
Re: Where Is God? by PastorAIO: 12:11pm On Nov 30, 2014
macof:


Here's ur emotional attachments to Christian dogmas playing out

You might as well tell a kid not to ask the whereabouts of his father, whom he has never seen, and yet believe his father is fair, tall, kind and handsome because his neighbor, who also hasn't seen his father says so


Duuuuuudddeee!!!! I don't believe that I was emotional in the slightest. In fact as I wrote it last night I was feeling quite tired and made myself respond because I believed that if I didn't respond there and then I might not come back to the thread again. I made very objective arguments based on the philosophy of identity. I tried not to bring God into my argument but simply spoke on the relationship between identity and location.

Your example of a kid and a father is excellent. It demonstrates exactly where you're missing the point.

No one in their right senses with dispute that the kid has a father. only someone that believes in immaculate conception with entertain the notion that his father doesn't exist.

We cannot locate the father. That does not mean that the father doesn't exist. (you get my drift). Location and ontological status are not so connected as you seem to believe.

We might believe various characteristics of the father, or we might disbelieve the neighbours accounts of father, BUT that has no bearing on the ontological status of the father. That has no bearing on whether he exists or not. We might even hear contradictory accounts of the father but they do not affect the ontological status of the father.
Re: Where Is God? by davien(m): 12:23pm On Nov 30, 2014
PastorAIO:



Duuuuuudddeee!!!! I don't believe that I was emotional in the slightest. In fact as I wrote it last night I was feeling quite tired and made myself respond because I believed that if I didn't respond there and then I might not come back to the thread again. I made very objective arguments based on the philosophy of identity. I tried not to bring God into my argument but simply spoke on the relationship between identity and location.

Your example of a kid and a father is excellent. It demonstrates exactly where you're missing the point.

No one in their right senses with dispute that the kid has a father. only someone that believes in immaculate conception with entertain the notion that his father doesn't exist.

We cannot locate the father. That does not mean that the father doesn't exist. (you get my drift). Location and ontological status are not so connected as you seem to believe.

We might believe various characteristics of the father, or we might disbelieve the neighbours accounts of father, BUT that has no bearing on the ontological status of the father. That has no bearing on whether he exists or not. We might even hear contradictory accounts of the father but they do not affect the ontological status of the father.
Who is "god's" alleged father? itself?

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Re: Where Is God? by PastorAIO: 1:07pm On Nov 30, 2014
davien:
Who is "god's " father? himself?

I have no idea, but that is rather out of the scope of this thread, don't you think.
Re: Where Is God? by davien(m): 1:16pm On Nov 30, 2014
PastorAIO:


I have no idea, but that is rather out of the scope of this thread, don't you think.
It is...but then again how can one say anything certain about "god" when it represents many paradoxical statements?
Re: Where Is God? by macof(m): 7:41pm On Nov 30, 2014
PastorAIO:



Duuuuuudddeee!!!! I don't believe that I was emotional in the slightest. In fact as I wrote it last night I was feeling quite tired and made myself respond because I believed that if I didn't respond there and then I might not come back to the thread again. I made very objective arguments based on the philosophy of identity. I tried not to bring God into my argument but simply spoke on the relationship between identity and location.

Your example of a kid and a father is excellent. It demonstrates exactly where you're missing the point.

No one in their right senses with dispute that the kid has a father. only someone that believes in immaculate conception with entertain the notion that his father doesn't exist.

We cannot locate the father. That does not mean that the father doesn't exist. (you get my drift). Location and ontological status are not so connected as you seem to believe.

We might believe various characteristics of the father, or we might disbelieve the neighbours accounts of father, BUT that has no bearing on the ontological status of the father. That has no bearing on whether he exists or not. We might even hear contradictory accounts of the father but they do not affect the ontological status of the father.

and who says anything about denying God or disbelief in his existence?
I might not believe ur God but for the sake of this thread I am indifferent
And I ask the location of ur God whom u Christians claim to know so well, so well that u know his likes and dislikes, so well you talk to him in prayer everyday
his location shouldn't be such a difficult thing to decipher
Re: Where Is God? by PastorAIO: 4:28pm On Dec 06, 2014
macof:


and who says anything about denying God or disbelief in his existence?
I might not believe ur God but for the sake of this thread I am indifferent
And I ask the location of ur God whom u Christians claim to know so well, so well that u know his likes and dislikes, so well you talk to him in prayer everyday
his location shouldn't be such a difficult thing to decipher

Okay, I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were implying that not knowing God's location suggests that God may not exist.

So you are really saying that you don't think Christians know God as well as they presume because they don't know his location. I don't think many christians will disagree with you. Our knowledge of God is limited. That's a fact, and one that I'm comfortable with.
Re: Where Is God? by gatiano(m): 8:35pm On Dec 06, 2014
whre is heaven? can you by mathematical reasoning prove that GOD is omnipresent? yes ithink i can but i'd love to read your thoughts.
Mrval20:
He dwells in heaven but He's omnipresent.
Re: Where Is God? by Mrval20(m): 10:55pm On Dec 06, 2014
gatiano:
whre is heaven? can you by mathematical reasoning prove that GOD is omnipresent? yes ithink i can but i'd love to read your thoughts.
Mathematically? I don't need mathematical proof to believe He's omnipresent.
Anywaay, I'm willing to be your student tonight.

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