Ikanium: Religion debate are some times annoying but we indulge in them sometimes to clearify some things. I asked a muslim friend a question ''where do you think the Christians will go when this earth is no more''? And he narrate that they muslims believe in Jesus Christ, they believe He was a prophet a mesenger of God, they follow Him but they don't worship Him because the Muslims are of the notion that Jesus Christ is no God.... He gave me an audio where the Imam said same thing, he also said open a Bible chapter where Jesus said He is God and i will accept Christianity. And house i have seen alot of adverts with the writing Jesus is Lord.......

enilove: If your fathers name is "Yakubu Olajuwon". And the saw name is "Olajuwon",are you not "Olajuwon" also?If your own name is Taiwo,people will call you "Taiwo Olajuwon".You can be refered to ,anywhere as "Olajuwon".Not only do you answer your fathers name,you also inherit his blood and genes too.The DNA test can be conducted to verify if truly you are the son of Yakubu Olajuwon.

A young lion is a lion.
A son of God is God.
God is the title of the Supreme creator of all flesh and the universe.
Jesus said "My father and I are one.If his father is a God,then he is a God too.
A husband and his wife are one,it will not be wrong to call her "mrs the husband's name",like mrs Olajuwon.
If you are walking on the road with your wife, and you introduce yourself to a stranger as Kunle and say "this is my wife",at another time d stranger would call ur wife mrs Kunle, because the two of you are one.

Lets read in the bible where Jesus calls himself God:

In John 10:25-37.Jesus answered them,"I told u ,and ye believe not:the works that I do in my fathers name,they ,they bear witness of me.But ye believe me not,because ye are not of my sheep,as I said unto you.My sheep hear my voice and I know them,& they follow me:And I give unto them eternal life:and they shall never perish,neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.My Father,which gave them me ,is greater than all; & no man is able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand.I and my Father are one.
verse 31 - 38 .Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.Jesus said "Many good works have I showed you from my Father ;for which of those works do ye stone me? The jews answered him, for a good work we stone thee not ;but for blashhemy;and because thou BEING A MAN MAKEST THYSELF GOD.Jesus answered them "Is it not written I said YE ARE gods? If he called them gods ,unto whom the word of God came ,and d scripture cannot be broken;say ye of him,whom the Father hath sanctified,and sent into the world,'Thou blashphemest; because I said I AM THE SON OF GOD?If I do not the works of my father ,believe me not.

From the above scripture ,u can see where Jesus said that, he is the son of God.and the pharasees concluded that as a man Jesus was telling them that he is a god by saying he is the son of God in heaven.

A young lion is a lion.
If God could call d Israelites gods ( created in Gods image),Jesus Christ who had no earthly father is a higher god,but not God the Father.

The muslims are serving a different God that is different from the God that called Jesus Christ, His son, and gave him power to heal the sick ,open the eyes of the blind,raised the dead and commanded the sea to be calm ,and the sea obeyed. The quran said it was not Jesus Christ that was crucified on the cross.The God that sent Jesus Christ said 'one man one wife',but the god that called Muhammed said more than one wife.
So writing things and miracles of Jesus in the quran does not mean that they believe him,neither are the two books from the same God.God is not a confusionist.

The birth of Jesus was through the holy spirit, if the holy spirit is the Spirit of God,who then is his Father if not God.If the blood that was flowing inside Jesus was of the Holy spirit,because DNA test can not link him to any earthly father,then his is a son of God,and has the attributes of his father,God Almighty.That was why he could raised Lazarus that was dead for 4 days back to life.

Jesus does not need to say categorically again that he is god.God himself called the israelites gods. The title God is not as important as the relationship btw Jesus and God his father.God said in the bible "thou shall not worship other gods beside me".
God is a title ,and it is the same as "Alpha and Omega".
Revelation 1:8, Jesus Christ calls himself the "Alpha and the Omega".

God is a title,and Jesus has what it takes to bear the title ,by virtue of his birth.

Thanks

wazobia_for_u:

Now i understand ... Thank you sir


If A = B
& B = C
Then A = C (just a deductive reasoning)

You are also Son of God
Are you also GOD ?

enilove:


Psalm 82:6 says " I have said,ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

All those who live a holy and sanctified life and believe that God exists are children of God and are gods, if they obey God.According to d above verse.

Yes, I am a god. Since my creator who is God that created me in His image said so.

The book of Acts 28:3-6 narrates "And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks ,and laid them on d fire there came a viper out of the heat,and fastened on his hand.And when the barbarians saw d venomous beast hang on his hand,they said among themselves,No doubt this man is a murderer,whom ,though he hath escaped d sea,yet veangeance suffereth him not to live.And he shook off the beast into fire ,& felt no harm.Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen,or fallen down dead suddenly:but after they had kooked a great while ,& saw no harm come to him ,they changed their minds,& said that he was a god.
You can see that even people in those days who were not christians understood more than some of us nowadays.They understood somethings which we dont.
"Ogun" was a human being that lived in the yoruba kingdom in d olden days ;but after his death they started worshipping him because they knew he had exra ordinary power,they call him "god of iron".
The same goes with "Sango",he was a human,but they worshipped him as "god of thunder".The worshipping of any god other than the creator ,God the Almighty, is idolatery and a sin.

The word God or god is a title used in describing a being or person that has more than natural attributes and power. Every human being has this attributes since we have a physical body ,a soul and a spirit.The spiritual part of us makes us to do things which are impossible physically. We communicate with God in the spirit,and He speaks with us from heaven and we can hear him audibly.We see visions,which is spiritual, but for a carnal person,it would seem impossible.
Witches and wizards use this their knowledge to transform into different things.They can turn into birds,cats etc.
The devil and the demons know that we human beings have power & authorities ,but most of us are ignorant of this.We have spiritual and creative powers like our Father in heaven.A ghost will always run away from any living person,unless the person is a dead living person who is too far from God but is still living.

Psalm 139:14 says "I will praise thee ;for I am fearfully and wonderfully made......
That is why the bible says "we shall decree a thing and it shall be established unto us and the light of God shall fall upon our part"

We are more than we think we are, if we move closer to God.

In Exodus 7:1 "And the Lord said unto Moses,see I have made thee a god to Pharaoh:and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet".

A child of God is god if he is obedient to God. As long as we are doing God's will and are faithful to Him,He will not cut us off His power and we can exercise dominion here on earth as His children and as gods.

I hope that satisfies you.

Geewan: We are derailing ooo

Where is the chapter in the bible?

Still waiting...

Snowwy: @
. . .However it was prophesied before (Isaiah 9:6)

Snowwy: @OP, I am yet to see the scripture where Jesus said the exact words 'I am God' but He implied it like when he said:

'...before Abraham was, I AM' John 8:58. Ofcourse you know you who the 'I AM that I AM' is. Exodus 3:14.

It seems He preferred the people to reach that conclusion themselves.
He never wanted to take any glory to Himself while on earth and it is possible that it was because He was in the form of man.

However it was prophesied before (Isaiah 9:6) and other scriptures declare Him as God.

And also read Revelations 1:1-10 and see where Jesus said He is the Almighty, emphasis on verse 8.

(Edited)

proo212: I do not know if the OP is an Atheist, Jehovah's Witness or a Muslim. I would want to lean on the second two because Atheist do not normally ask these type of questions.

@Geewan, please tell me why Allah had to declare that Mohammed is a warner/prophet

enilove:


I have explained this in my first post.It is written in John 10:25-37.

pls,read it and respond.Am waiting as well.

proo212: I do not know if the OP is an Atheist, Jehovah's Witness or a Muslim. I would want to lean on the second two because Atheist do not normally ask these type of questions.

@Geewan, please tell me why Allah had to declare that Mohammed is a warner/prophet

ifeness: Jesus himself did not write a book where he asked people to worship him. According to the people who claimed to have been his disciples; he preferred to serve others rather than being served. He washed their feet,fought against injustice,laid down his life for the truth like a true leader would. He probably knew worship was for dictators,tyrants and selfish leaders. WHY Christians chose to worship him is the confusing part!

For a man who had so much influence on our today's society, i wondered why he did not write a book at least. I heard he actually did wrote a book,but they were book of mysteries(hidden knowledge)meant for the enlightened,which are being kept by the Vatican . There are books for kids and obviously separate books for the adults. This is a reason why the bible doesn't explain many things. Those who seek knowledge will certainly find it

Geewan:

Oga enilove,

Let us keep this very simple. Paste the verse in the bible so we can see.

Are you also God as asked by wazobia?

enilove:


Psalm 82:6 says " I have said,ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

All those who live a holy and sanctified life and believe that God exists are children of God and are gods, if they obey God.According to d above verse.

Yes, I am a god. Since my creator who is God that created me in His image said so.

The book of Acts 28:3-6 narrates "And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks ,and laid them on d fire there came a viper out of the heat,and fastened on his hand.And when the barbarians saw d venomous beast hang on his hand,they said among themselves,No doubt this man is a murderer,whom ,though he hath escaped d sea,yet veangeance suffereth him not to live.And he shook off the beast into fire ,& felt no harm.Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen,or fallen down dead suddenly:but after they had kooked a great while ,& saw no harm come to him ,they changed their minds,& said that he was a god.
You can see that even people in those days who were not christians understood more than some of us nowadays.They understood somethings which we dont.
"Ogun" was a human being that lived in the yoruba kingdom in d olden days ;but after his death they started worshipping him because they knew he had exra ordinary power,they call him "god of iron".
The same goes with "Sango",he was a human,but they worshipped him as "god of thunder".The worshipping of any god other than the creator ,God the Almighty, is idolatery and a sin.

The word God or god is a title used in describing a being or person that has more than natural attributes and power. Every human being has this attributes since we have a physical body ,a soul and a spirit.The spiritual part of us makes us to do things which are impossible physically. We communicate with God in the spirit,and He speaks with us from heaven and we can hear him audibly.We see visions,which is spiritual, but for a carnal person,it would seem impossible.
Witches and wizards use this their knowledge to transform into different things.They can turn into birds,cats etc.
The devil and the demons know that we human beings have power & authorities ,but most of us are ignorant of this.We have spiritual and creative powers like our Father in heaven.A ghost will always run away from any living person,unless the person is a dead living person who is too far from God but is still living.

Psalm 139:14 says "I will praise thee ;for I am fearfully and wonderfully made......
That is why the bible says "we shall decree a thing and it shall be established unto us and the light of God shall fall upon our part"

We are more than we think we are, if we move closer to God.

In Exodus 7:1 "And the Lord said unto Moses,see I have made thee a god to Pharaoh:and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet".

A child of God is god if he is obedient to God. As long as we are doing God's will and are faithful to Him,He will not cut us off His power and we can exercise dominion here on earth as His children and as gods.

I hope that satisfies you.

proo212: I do not know if the OP is an Atheist, Jehovah's Witness or a Muslim. I would want to lean on the second two because Atheist do not normally ask these type of questions.

@Geewan, please tell me why Allah had to declare that Mohammed is a warner/prophet

Bidam:
An encounter with Jesus will change your perception of him...paul had an encounter with him and that change him completely..or why do you think paul was able to say who art thou LORD? Why should a persecutor of the early church call him LORD? I also had a similar encounter in 1998..since then my life has never been the same...JESUS CHRIST THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER.